Jian asked me if this guy could join, lvl 70 dwarf pally
jain and shadowspell are friends of this player
anyone met him before?
guild, camels ate bambi
Never heard of the guy.
However, I think we should say here as to everybody else that has asked in the last weeks, that they'll have to wait till we've had our TS meeting. There are others that have been waiting for several weeks for this (Gijs/Octain) for instance, so it wouldn't be fair at all to let anyone pass 'em in the line.
Edit: Oh, and btw - his name is too close to mine, which I think is by far a good enough reason to reject him :norty:
Never heard about him either.
Put him in the box :P
seems he just transferred to the server
No wonder i havnt heard about him then :blink:
We need healers!
bislebob invited on 21 april
(he seems to have some wierd connection problems)
and he seems to be a okei dude.. doing a shitload of pvp.. think he got the uber arena gear :norty: me want :D
"issue1" marduk felt offended quite a bit when he lost some arena fights to bislebob, bislebob seems to have rubbed it in deep
issue 2: some guy named Lunar /w me yesterday saying that he and another guy gave bislebob 40g each to make some arena team. the day after these 2 guys find themselves kicked out of the arena team (which they payed for)
bislebob didnt explain why he did this, nor did he refund the money to these players, one wierd this is that when Lunar beat someone in pvp outside If, bislebob /w him saying "i underestimated you"
what do you think about this guy? ime really thinking to pull his ears out, make him pay those guys their money back and kicking him out/warn him
Have you asked Bislebob about #2?
get his side of the story, tell him what is expected of him as a sog member (fair, honest etc), and possibly tell him to appologize to marduk & refund the ppl.
SOG still has a good name, and you would want to keep it that way.
Quote from: Bob;186752Have you asked Bislebob about #2?
havent seen him online yet
Quote from: Gorion;186798havent seen him online yet
Well, as long as we doesn't get his side of the story as well, there is really not much we can do. But as Bastet said, we should strive to let people have the best possible impression of SOG. So if it turns out that he tried to scam those two folks, I'd say to kick him straight out - or perhaps let him get away with one very big warning, if we feel in a good mood.
Well, if its true, id say we kick him out. Im not interested in SOG being assosiated with scammers in any way, what so ever.
If he has a good reason for it, lets yell abit at him, and make him pay the guys back, atleast a part of what they payed in order to make the team. Ofc, this is if he has a good reason for it. But befor we do anything, we have to get his story.
This little prick just managed to annoy me and get in my bad books in all of about 5 seconds.
I was on my mage and flew into Area52 and the moment I walked in the gate (through the blinding light) I immediately found myself challenged to a duel. No whisper to ask, just an immediate challenge. Now you know how I love to duel (not) and when challenged I usually just sit down for the duration of the fight, so I accepted. Anyway, he starts bouncing around me like a two-year old on speed saying "I need practice", "as holy", "need practice against mages". So I let him hit me whilst I just repeatedly sat down. When the duel was over I asked in /say if he felt better now and walked off to the malbox. The prick had the balls to say to me "ooo you're in a bad mood". Nss, I came here to make spellcloth not to be your tackle dummy,
Anyway, moments later and suspecting the little shite is a probably missing a few essential chromosomes from his gene pool I engineered a conversation (with the help of Spiritus - thank you!) to find out how old he was. The answer was 13. Now I know why he acts like a pre-pubescent prick.
TL = not impressed with Bilsebob.
My Recommendation:
Speak to Marduk and let him know he has been riled by a 13 year old. That will give him some context within which to react to Bilsebob.
Speak to Bilsebob and get his side of the story re the Arena team.
If the accusation is correct then try to make him pay the money back.
Then post the details on the unofficial realm forums.
Then kick him.
If it is not proven or not admitted to then warn him that he is still on trial, that SOG is not a kindergarten and that his acting like a toddler in the midst of the 'terrible twos' is not going to be tolerated.
Advise his two 'sponsors' that a warning has been issued to their trial applicant and that they have some responsibility.
With the warning issued the next transgression should lead to a failed trial and a kick.
TL.
Hm, sounds like this dude isnt too much of a player, but in all case, I do totally agree that we should talk to him first before doing anything. We don't want any trouble by doing something irrasional.
When that's said, I have to say I am not too impressed by him either, seeing him in gchat. Even tho the episode with Marduk maybe wasn't harmfully intended, its not right treating other players like that (especially guildmates).
Let's keep an eye at him and be straight forward with him when he logs on. (If he ever does again.)
So who will go talk to him to get his side of the story about he Arena team? Any officer can do it, but I suggest it is done sooner rather than later.
TL.
I was just online to see if he still was there, but he was offline. I suggest the fist person that get a hold of him asks him about it, so we get it done ASAP, than post here as soon as it is done, so the rest of us know.
I managed to get hold of Bilsebob while I was online now, and this was how the conversation went:
Quote[04/27/07]
17:18[Threbrilith]: Hi Bilsebob, I'm Bob, one of the officers in SOG - I have a matter I would like to discuss with you. Do you have a moment?
17:18[Bilsebob]: Yep :)
17:19[Threbrilith]: We got contacted by another player, he had a complaint about you. He said you had formed a arena team together, but the day after the two others were kicked, and you didn't give they the money to make the team back to them.
17:19[Bilsebob]: Who , doesn
17:19[Threbrilith]: Do you have somethign to say about this?
17:19[Bilsebob]: Doesn´t remmeber ..
17:20[Bilsebob]: Who was it ?
17:20[Bilsebob]: Bad memory
17:20[Threbrilith]: It was not too far back, and I think you should remember if you kick somebody from an arean team you just created.
17:20[Bilsebob]: lol ... mate , i must say a thing first , we had it 3 days and they wre both useless
17:21[Threbrilith]: Still, being a member of SOG comes with some obligations. SOG strives to have a reputation based on trust and honor among its members.
17:22[Threbrilith]: The skill of those you PvPed with might not have been good, but that is irrelecant - they payed their part of the money to form the team, and kicking them and not giving the money back is not acceptable pollicy.
17:23[Threbrilith]: Firstly, I will strongly encourage you to pay those two people their money back (the one contacting us was Lunar, I don't know who the other one was), and secondly, this matter will be discussed among the officers, and some kind of reaction will come.
17:24[Bilsebob]: Why is this such a big deal ?
17:24[Bilsebob]: Ys ofc , such harsh rumors may be destructive towards sog
17:25[Bilsebob]: Imo , those 2 guys made me waste 20g
17:25[Threbrilith]: The main aspects in SOG is honesty and mutual respect - both amon SOGs members, but also towards other people you meet in the game. When you walk around with the SOG tag above your name, you represent the guild, and you should act properly because of that
17:26[Threbrilith]: When entering a team with other people, if you don't know them, you take the risk of wasting some money - that however does not make it fair to dump them from a team which they also payed for, and I hope you understand this.
17:26[Bilsebob]: i do
17:26[Bilsebob]: Ofc
17:27[Bilsebob]: But, still as they made me waste 20 gold, it´s ridiculous
17:27[Bilsebob]: to disucuss
17:27[Bilsebob]: arena
17:27[Bilsebob]: sec
17:30[Bilsebob]: Done
17:30[Threbrilith]: I can only repeat myself: as a member of SOG you are *expected* to act with respect and honesty towards other players. What their skill are in PvP or other aspects of the game does not matter, you should still treat them in a good way.
17:30[Threbrilith]: And also as I said earlier, we expect you to pay those to players back their money for they team they were a part of founding.
17:31[Bilsebob]: ._.
17:31[Bilsebob]: Okay
17:31[Bilsebob]: When i got the gold k ?
17:31[Threbrilith]: Do you have anything else you would like to add to this conversation before I bring it back to the other officers for discussion?
17:32[Bilsebob]: I pay back when i got the gold
17:32[Bilsebob]: That
17:32[Threbrilith]: I'm glad to hear that! Now take care.
17:36[Bilsebob]: But it wont happen fast , i suck at earning g
17:37[Threbrilith]: Well, I would guess their share would be 2x40g, and that shouldn't take you too long - it's just about grinding a bit. So please be as quick as you can with it.
17:37[Bilsebob]: isn´t it 2x20 ?
17:37[Bilsebob]: >.<
17:37[Bilsebob]: Duh
17:38[Bilsebob]: And how should i grind as holy ?
17:38[Bilsebob]: ._.
17:38[Threbrilith]: I'm not sure about the amount - I only know I payed 40 g when I was forming a 3v3 team with two friends.
17:38[Bilsebob]: k
17:45[Bilsebob]: doh decline
17:45[Bilsebob]: Supposed to /w u , well , got any good spot for farming .. ?
17:46[Threbrilith]: no, not really - only stuff I farm is for when I'm leveling my LW - been skinning lots of stuff in Nagrand
17:46[Threbrilith]: I get most of my money through quests
17:46[Bilsebob]: Okay , i´m not so questy..
17:47[Threbrilith]: good way to earn money at lvl 70, as you get money instead of XP
17:47[Bilsebob]: I find quests boring for some reason ..
As you can see, he didn't deny anything, only making silly excuses. And also, isn't it 40g each have to pay when forming an arena team, not 20 as he tried to make me believe?
I also had a quick chat with Lunar, as he was online at the same moment:
Quote[04/27/07]
17:33[Threbrilith]: Greetings Lunar, I'm Threb, one of the officers in Silver Oak Guardians. Do you have a minute?
17:34[Lunar]: Sure
17:34[Threbrilith]: You contacted our GM a couple of days ago concerning one of our members - you had been kicked from his/your arena team.
17:34[Lunar]: yes bit more to it than that but thats basicly it
17:35[Threbrilith]: We have now talked with Bilsebob, and he promised he would pay you back the money when he got enough gold for it. If you don't recieve what he owes you shortly, please contact me or one of the other officers again.
17:35[Threbrilith]: We will also discuss this further, and some kind of reaction will be towards Bilsebob.
17:36[Lunar]: Ok thank you for your help had this been another guild i wouldnt have bothered but a respectable guild like SOG i thought somthing should be done
17:36[Threbrilith]: We are very glad you took contact with us - we hope to keep a good reputation among the other guilds :)
17:36[Lunar]: Yes i am thank you
17:36[Lunar]: Thanks again :)
17:37[Threbrilith]: Are there anything else you would like to add to the matter before I take it back to the other officers?
17:37[Lunar]: no thanks thats great
17:37[Threbrilith]: Ok, thank you than, and take care :)
To conclude: I wouldn't be sad in any way if we decide to kick him out. This matter here, compared to both Marduk's and TL's experience with him shows that it is not something we really would like to have i SOG if you ask me.
thanks bob
cant login today (old classroom meet) welle have a chitchat about him tomorrow
Well, an annoying little brat in other words. If he doesnt return the money, I'd say we boot him when his trail period is up.
I agree, i cant see he did anything to decline what he did, i think he feels he did the right thing by kicking the other two from his team instead of just leaving...
Keep in mind, hes just 13 years old, we might just give him a warning, and tell him that if he behave in a way thats disrespectfull towards others he will not be asked to stay when his trial periode ends.
Also, has anyone talked to jain and shadowspell?
AND i would also strongly encourage him to appologies to ducky, and perhaps teach him a way to ask people if they want to duel him :P
Good job Bob - very nicely handled. :thumbsup:
TL.
he owes 2x 40g
he hasnt payed yet, will talk to him today, lets hope the doesnt log off
right:
i asked him how the farming going, and told him he needs to payback the 2x40g
he said: that hese been inactive lately, and he prefers doing pvp so he hasnt farmed
me: told him that his n1 priority is paying back the money he owes those 2, and not his pvp
him: or else? youre gonna like, /slap me or? Oo
me: i said that me and bob said what we had to say, and we want him to pay back those 2 asap, also said weve got logs.
him: youre gonna ban me or what? pff
me: i expect you to keep your word
ille try to speak with his sponsors
Gorion - gkick him. And post a brief explanation on the forums why. If a pupil spoke like that to a teacher in school he'd be put in detention and punished.
You don't need to take that from him.
i talked to G right after this. and i vote Gkick and mayby a note on the azune forums. and also inform his sponsors about reasons and stuff. not sure if i agree about kicking him asap, but give him a note first. this brings SoG in a bad light and i don't like it. we might need to inform the ones he owe money to about him being kicked and tell them to make a ticket to a GM about the matter. and that we hope it will sort out.
edit: arrgh!!!
gms cant do anything
we talked to shadowspell (his sponsor and friend irl, helle talk to him about this)
yeah. i was with G in a partychat.. and he will have a word with him..
tough i think this has gone so far we have to kick him. coz now he's just to mutch trouble.
1. scamming players
2. offending ppl, even guildmates
3. mocking a officer.
i think that's 3 time strike.
Agreed. He sounds like further trouble waiting to happen.
TL.
Unless he manages to do something drastic within the next 48 hours to prove that he might deserve to get another chance, I say it's about time we get rid of him.
I agree, he has proven to be a liability, and his actions are not to be taken litely. I dont like the fact that he behaves so disrespectfull towards G and other players.
GKick gets my vote too. Im not sure about the azsune forum note tho.. Dont want to hang him out to the vultures... It is just a game after all..
the azune forum thingye was ment for G to read if he got more mocking about how we could punished him.. talking on TS (with G) and writing gets me messy(multitasking is for women) :blink:
Problem solved. He gquit just now.
TL.
Goodbye - did he say anything when he left?
Could also the first one that sees Lunar online inform him of this? He should be told that as Bilsebob gquitted, we sadly can not do anything more for him to get his money back.
Make a note about it here when it is done.
Yeah just that he did not agree with some people here.
I whispered him and told him to repay the money or I would post to the realm blacklist on the unofficial forums. His response was entirely in character: "Blacklist my butthole". So I put him on ignore and whispered Alandoo, the GM of the new guild he has joined (Feral Strikers). The new GM was not impressed and will endeavour to sort or kick. I have passed on Lunar's name as one of the people he owes money to, I do not know the other name.
TL.
Good job TL. I know it doesn't match guild policy or feeling, but I'm glad someone like that got what he deserved.
aiaiaiai:taz: problems never stopps..
God work folks. and lets hope we don't see any problems like this in the future.
Quote from: spiritus;188614aiaiaiai:taz: problems never stopps..
God work folks. and lets hope we don't see any problems like this in the future.
Welcome to the world of a guild officer. Trust me when I say that it never stops - and then try imagining this for a guil two and a half times larger than now and running two raids groups....... :blink:
TL.
i'll need a beer.. or more :sideways: