Today i watched the matrix reloaded a extremely quality film much better than the first well worth going to see to i compele you to go and see it. You will be glad you did and theres also the game enter the matrix out for PC/PS2/XBOX this is an extreemly good game and well worth the money you pay for it.... :D :D
QuoteToday i watched the matrix reloaded a extremely quality film much better than the first well worth going to see to i compele you to go and see it. You will be glad you did and theres also the game enter the matrix out for PC/PS2/XBOX this is an extreemly good game and well worth the money you pay for it.... :D :D
.................you PAY!!!!???????
Quick, make friends with JB (or Joshua Borrowitz to his friends!! :lol: )
QuoteToday i watched the matrix reloaded a extremely quality film much better than the first well worth going to see to i compele you to go and see it. You will be glad you did and theres also the game enter the matrix out for PC/PS2/XBOX this is an extreemly good game and well worth the money you pay for it.... :D :D
Yes, aherm. Its only better than the first if you are thrilled and amazed by all the shiny and sparkly bits (special Fx).
I remember I managed to go to the cinema without seeing or hearing ANYTHING about the film.... made for a superb film.
Matrix 2 is eerrrmmm different.
Matrix Reloaded is an interesting film. There is obviously a whole load of extraordinary special effects going on. But there's been the critisism that there's not much in the way of plot.
So you can watch the film in 'James Bond mode' and just enjoy the set pieces and forget about why they are happening. For six quid including the bus fare it's not bad value for money.
However, and this seemed lost on most film reviewers, there is a significant plot development within the film. I was amazed that one - it was so complex and two - that no effort was made to dumb it down for mainstream (read thick USA) audiences.
However there is an extraordinary revelation within the film as we see two views of reality and the possible future from two distinct 'within the Matrix' sources. I can't explain in any more detail as I'd spoil the movie, but I was suprised none the less. The Directors have always worked on the edge of film making and digging as deep as they have into the metaphysical seems a bit odd when they're making what is basically a action flick.
This reminded me of Starship Troopers, where you either thought "Aha I get this." or else "What's going on this film is rubbish."
It's going to work better on DVD when you can rewatch the film several times and work out the complicated bits. The trouble is I'm not sure that many people are going to be bothered to try and that the film makers have made a big mistake with this one. :(
from what i have heard, this from my friend who is a film buff, reads all the reviews etc,
the special effects are amazing, but the story line and scripting is sh!t, so u wont really want to watch it more than once
I think you'll find the story line is actually getting more in depth and twisted, rather than being "sh!t" although thats what the thick US (and British :P ) audiences might think. I wanna watch it again to see if theres something we missed that might suggest another theory about whats happening, although the one we are guessing will keep the psychoanalysts happy :) Plus I wouldn't mind seeing those fight scenes again.
The story is not done justice by most of the main actors (pity they didnt have a different Neo really) Some true "Arnie having to speak in whole sentences" style shows through :roll: The general acting and some of the scene selection is questionable (morpheus' speech about 30 minutes in and then ...rather odd I thought, not much to do with the story at all :) ) It has a cast containing several rather mediocre actors, many of whom have trouble pulling off the "serious" bits, but then its an action movie with underlying storyline for those who care to think about it :P The action is great as you'd expect.
Still a great film that you gotta see if you liked the first one, although you will then have to watch the 3rd because this one ends in a really annoying cliffhanger way...
p.s. Agent Smith(s) is easily the best character/actor in the film :D
Even down to the "........To be continued."
Will they start The Matrix Revolutions with "........previously on The Matrix Reloaded" :D
I'm seein it tonite, Ill let u know what I thought of it! :D
mmm, the ending "to be concluded" caught me completely unawares. I was like "omg how can they end there like that. noooooooooooooo. whens the next one out?" as were most of the people I went with. I need to discuss it over a few beers really...
I've seen "matrix reloaded" again since my last post. BIG TIP, see it again!! this time round I'd already seen all the special effects so I had more concentration for the plot.... and yes there is lots to pick up on.
There are some comments made in the film that only make sense when you've seen more of the plot at the end :-)
And spookily enough even the game makes more sense now I've seen the film.
I saw it on wednesday night (first showing! whoot!) and yesterday, and I think its a brilliant film.
The dialogue is a bit shakey in places, and some of the philosphical rants are a bit hard to follow the first time round (especially the architect :o ), but the plot is great (if your a fan), with an absolutely mind-bending twist at the end of the film.
I wont post my thoughts on this now, dont want to spoil the film for others :)
I saw it this afternoon. I think I'm going to have to go and see it again.
The first time through you tend to marvel at all the special effects gubbins. However, there's also a lot going on to develop the plot which, I admit, lost me a bit as I wasn't concentrating on it enough.
The second film of a trilogy is always the hardest - it's the one that carries the 'meat' of the story. Hats off to the Wachowski brothers for having the gumption to not dumb this one down and make it 'lowest common denominator' viewing.
I'm seeing it tonight and looking forward to it. The game is written to go hand in hand with the second film and the idea being that they help explain each other. The brothers have been very clever about the whole thing, all of the things they do around the matrix are interlinked, Obviously the trilogy, but to include the game and the animated shorts as part of that is an excellent idea. The Animatrix when its released will cover before the first film and some bits that branch off from the films.
What a film. The depth in the philosophical arguments was quite simply astounding, as the film was basically a hypothetical model for the discussion on Cause and Effect or Free Choice, and the various perspectives on this were quite simply amazing. Hats off the the Wachowski brothers, top notch film, I;m gonna have to go and see it again... :D
QuoteI'm seeing it tonight and looking forward to it. The game is written to go hand in hand with the second film and the idea being that they help explain each other. The brothers have been very clever about the whole thing, all of the things they do around the matrix are interlinked, Obviously the trilogy, but to include the game and the animated shorts as part of that is an excellent idea. The Animatrix when its released will cover before the first film and some bits that branch off from the films.
The Animatrix was on TV a few nights ago (channel 5?)
Also keep an eye out for road signs in the car chase in the movie......they're cheat codes for the game 8O
That was just one episode. I think there are going to be about 9 in total. You can get some of the from the matrix website as well. The 1 shown on channel 5 was final fantasy type animation and was stunning to watch.
In case you didn't know ;) you can get the first 4 episodes here: http://www.intothematrix.com/ (http://www.intothematrix.com/)
well if you buy the game and complete it you get a pre release look at the nxt film revolutions looks awsome.
Those who say its a shit plot its not and explains all questions you wondered from the first those who have comments like that have not seen the movie.
Those that have just havent understood it. By the way keano reeves think thats how you spell it helped out the movie because it ran outta money and for all his stuntmen 5 in total i think bought them all brand new harvey davidsons what a guy 8) . Those who slag of the movie go watch it if you have slap yourself and wake up its a brilliant film and deserves many awards. At least a speacial effects award wooooow.
Watching the music awards thing how shit are these singers
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By the way keano reeves think thats how you spell it
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where'd you here they ran out of money? i heard they had to much!
Anyway i throughly enjoyed it, Even better i got to see it in luxury! leather cushioned seats, (they even had settees!) I mean TANGOing hell the cinema was nearly as good as the film.
I will be whatching it again! and dam the critics. Why cant they just sit down and enjoy a film for what it is.
Where did you go to see it?
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the cinema :roll:
Sigh :?
But which one did FBG see it at :?:
Quote bought them all brand new harvey davidsons what a guy
How hideous, nice gesture but he could have bought them decent motorcycles, like the new ducati 999, instead of lumps of iron that don't go, don't stop and don't go round corners wheres the fun in that? The Revolutions trailer is also shown at the end of the film if you sit through all the credits.
Good film but I'll have to see it again to get all the bits that were missed due to the muppets in the cinema talking or annoying everyone with their mobile phones. Bar Stewards!
QuoteQuote bought them all brand new harvey davidsons what a guy
How hideous, nice gesture but he could have bought them decent motorcycles[/b]
Hey, don't knock what you haven't tried. The Harvey Davidsons rock! Those similarly named bikes that play on Harvey Davidsons' brand name and history are nowhere near as good.
TL. 8)
too true i wouldnt say no (could always sell em) :)
Just watched it thought it was excellent..would like to see the end bit again just to catch all that "HE" was saying...u know who i mean.
Go watch it good film..not as good as first but it was the first of its kind and the first of trilogies are always the best.
Go Neo you are God....
Watched this yesterday - Have to say, after seeing the first film and being very impressed, the hype surrounding this film was always going to cause a bit of disappointment when you saw the finished project.
On one hand it was like, wow thats cool, and on the other it was as though they deliberately posed questions that they didnt give you enough info to answer. Definately one to see again if you wanna understand more, a la "Back to the Future" or "Fight Club". Lots of nice references to causality, choice and spirituality, but I often felt like they wanted it to be deliberately too high brow, although admitedly there's nothing particularly wrong with that approach (but in what is essentially a sci-fi action flcik? Maybe slightly pretentious)
Smilo - Nice ref. to Starship Troopers. Couldn't agree more with you on this. So many mates came up to me and said "thats shit. Not as good as aliens", and completely missed the whole political themes associated with doing military service. Plus Michael Ironside is soooo cool.
Agent Smith (aka Hugo Weaving) has to be a contender for greatest movie villain ever. Played with so much menace yet without emotion - a great acting feat, and some nice interplay between Smith and the agents. Plus that French Bad Guy was impressive.
Also, another gripe - In the last Matrix only Neo could battle the agents, and then only at the end. Now Morpheus and Trinity can hold their own, even though the agents are upgraded :? [size=18]Plus, if Neo can simply bring people back to life, as he does with Trinity, then why be so worried about dying in the Matrix :?
Hopefully Revolutions will answer some of the nagging questions.
Ok guys, please give me your impressions as to how Neo stops the squidies at the end. He utters that line "I can feel them" - does this mean he is part of the matrix / some kind of machine? Perhaps meeting the architect is some kind of epiphany, especially as the architect keeps making these veiled refs to Neo being "different" to the other "anomalies" that have preceeded him. Hmmmm. :?
All in all I dont begrudge paying £6 to watch this, but Revolutions had better tie some of these lose threads up.
Ok, right, here we go:
A Twat's (not so) detailed explanation of the Matrix 2!!!
The Matrix is a hypothetical situation created in order to provide an ground for a debate over the correctness and applicability of Causality - Cause and Effect - or Choice and the point of the Matrix was that due to the fact that human's are flawed, they react differently, and so although the Matrix is governed by Cause and Effect, it all comes back to the Choice of The One, and whether he chooses to ensure the survival of mankind, or to attempt to save it himself and destroy the Matrix, thus denuding himself of his powers.
Neo's choice boils down to the choice between Hedonism (saving Trinity because of his own love for her, but possibly at the expense of the destruction of the entire human race) and Utilitarianism (Greatest Good for the Greatest Number).
That is basically what is at the core of the film, and what is explained within it. The concept of self-belief from Zen-Bhuddism is also expounded upon, and that belief can transcend physical boundaries, and that is how he stops the sentinels, even though he is outside the matrix. For there is no reason if the rules of the Matrix can be broken, why not the rules of the real world?
This is a logical progression of the power of the mind, and it is only through his mind "growing" in stature inside the Matrix that he can perform such feats outside of it. :D
Just seen it for a 2nd time, and you definately need to watch its again as I found that the first time I watched it for the effects and action more than the story. After the 2nd watching things become a lot clearer, also watching the animatrix helped tie up some loose ends as well. For instance the kid they meet in zion that Neo saved is from one of the animatrix shorts. The second renaisance pts 1 & 2 give you backround on the relationship between man and the machines and why the sky was blackened. The game Enter The Matrix starts where one of the animatrix shorts finishes (last flight of the Osiris).
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although if you read beyond the last one of these warnings its spoilt for you ;) Why havent you seen it yet though? :P
Right, our theory was that the "real world" could actually be another matrix because the machines worked out the human flaw/desire of escaping so they made a second part to the matrix into which they allow some to "escape" thus fooling those who think they are free. When Neo is given that choice the idea was that he become the founder of the new "free" Zion to deal with future "flawed" humans and the rest of Zion is terminated so the "flawed" humans dont get too numerous. Although I like the "rules of the real world" theory too :D at least if offers a bit more hope for a happy ending to the film. But still the question of whether they are really out of the matrix when they believe they are hangs there 8)
But Neo's belief can circumvent the rules of the Matrix. So if he believe's he is out, surely he then is?
that last time they entered the matrix the hovercraft could of been captured and they were still in the matrix even when they thought they were out.
Although twigs theory is a good one, growing mind and all.
Neo is not as invincible in the matrix as he should of been.... then again if he could simply erase his enemies there would be no fighting :-) then again they've started talking about encryption and other features as someone mentioned upgraded agents.
Its all very interesting, lets face it this could go either way :-)
And re: the reviving Trinity
None of the others had seen him do it before, it is only his belief that allows him to do it.
I see your points Twiggy, and they are valid suppositions given the scarcity of evidence to hand. However, it does ignore some basic issues, as i see them:
1) I don't think it's Neo's belief that circumvents the Matrix - surely it's because he is an essential part of the Matrix that he can bend / adapt the rules to suit himself. What we are simply seeing is a growth in his abilities. He isn't some demi-god. As the architect explains, he isn't "The One" but merely an anomoly, akin to The Seraph or The Oracle (although admittedly human).
2) If this has happened so many times before, then why was agent smith a "normal" agent in the first film - it is only now that he goes rogue. If these events are self-perpetuating then this event doesn't fit in.
3) The cyclical emergence and destruction of Zion - why would the machines allow this? If "The One" is destined to come into existence as time passes, then why allow Zion to exist? Why don't the machines merely exterminate human resistance once and for all, meaning that "The One" is never liberated in the first place?
I'm beginning to enjoy this thread - this could run and run and run.... :lol:
Quote1) I don't think it's Neo's belief that circumvents the Matrix - surely it's because he is an essential part of the Matrix that he can bend / adapt the rules to suit himself. What we are simply seeing is a growth in his abilities. He isn't some demi-god. As the architect explains, he isn't "The One" but merely an anomoly, akin to The Seraph or The Oracle (although admittedly human).
With reference to the first film, he has to believe (in the words of Morpheus) in order to utilise those abilities. The feeling I get from that is that all you need is self-control and a powerful mind in order to be able to manipulate the MAtrix, and it is Neo who exhibits these qualities, and thus is The One. Anomalies are not part of the system. For anomalies to occur the system is not functioning properly, this doesn't mean the anomaly is part of the system. Neo was born somehow, and it is this that has given him his characteristics.
Quote2) If this has happened so many times before, then why was agent smith a "normal" agent in the first film - it is only now that he goes rogue. If these events are self-perpetuating then this event doesn't fit in.
The Matrix is altered after every One is re-assimilated, to try and determine what makes the One unique and so powerful, and to combat it. This point was made by Him, the architect.
Quote3) The cyclical emergence and destruction of Zion - why would the machines allow this? If "The One" is destined to come into existence as time passes, then why allow Zion to exist? Why don't the machines merely exterminate human resistance once and for all, meaning that "The One" is never liberated in the first place?
It is due to the fact that humans have choice that makes it impossible. The "perfect" Matrix, the Architect's first attempt, failed because of this, so he based it on mankinds past, making it imperfect, yet more effective. However, due to this, and man's freewill there will always be some outside of it, and so it is better to be able to have limited Control, through allowing the existence of The One, than to have none at all. The Architect seemed to be saying that it is impossible to imprison every person, and somewhere there will be someone who can break free from the Matrix themselves.
Neo was created by the machines when he was born(created). So therefore taking some of there powers and allowing him to emp them but remeber hes in a coma at the mo with and agent in a human body nxt to him and this film was much better than the first explaing a lot more and still leaving you wanting more cant wait for revolutions will be bril. :) shame gonna wait till christmas o well lord of the rings return of the king will be out too :)
I think Trinity's bum looks top notch in that PVC cat suit
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I think Trinity's *TANGO* looks top notch in that PVC cat suit
mmmmmmmmmmmmm leather :P :P
Quote Anomalies are not part of the system. For anomalies to occur the system is not functioning properly, this doesn't mean the anomaly is part of the system
But the architect specifically refers to anomalies occuring, using Neo as a reference :? He states that the much-needed imperfection of the system and "rogue" programs like the oracle have allowed this.
Quote The Matrix is altered after every One is re-assimilated, to try and determine what makes the One unique and so powerful, and to combat it. This point was made by Him, the architect
So why are they trying to control him if they admit they need him to break free and create choice :?: Surely the system is working fine if the machines still have control after all these years.
Plus, if they have broken free as you say, it somehow diminishes the hypothesis that there is the second matrix, a point made by others earlier in the link.
Perhaps The Council are the 23 who survived the last reloading of the Matrix. If so, which of them was The One, and why isn't Neo among them?
My head hurts.......
Ctrl+Alt+Del
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And that Niobe is a bit fit too :onfire:
the thing is surely the arcutect said if neo goes through the right door all those connected to matrxi will die but when he goes to save trinity there are still alive hmmmm
I disagree with the second Matrix theory though! Hence my points! The Architect said that all humans will die because the machines will attack Zion. The door to allow Neo to be re-assimilated is like a Reset switch, so the process would start all over again. However, the door he chose means somehow he has to save the rest of mankind himself...
Hmmm, Ctrl+Alt+Delete Indeed! :D
i saw it on portabello road at the electic cinema, Very cool. Plus theres a cool pub on the corner when you leave. THats if you haven't drank your fill at the bar in the cinema :-D
details noted ta :D
The Architect said go through the left door and take 3 men 4 women from zion to restart zion and mankind lives go through the right door all those conneted to the matrix will all die but you will have a chance to save trinity. Cant wait for revolutions big fat battles sweeet. I wanna see those titans etc fighting super sweet. :P :P :P :P
Right, mate of mine played the game, this is what he said in a different forum:
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think i should supply you guys with certian information you lack. Because unlike you guys, ive played the game.
Not on the PC tho, my flatmate got it for his PS2. Anyway, the game is based round the exploits of Goast and Niobe, and fills in a lot of blanks, like what happens to all the ppl at the meeting when the agents arive, what happens betwee Niobe phoning Link from the matrix and them driving up behind that truck, how they took out the power station, and more importantly, what happens next.
Serf phones Niobes ship and asks her to see the orical. After the beating-her-up bit (strange guy), you get to see the new orical (baring in mind the old actor is dead), and she explains that her change in appearence is due to the evil-programer dewd, that she had to make a choice, the same choice Niobe would have to make. Wether to help the one. So Neo is still alive? Yes, she answers, but he has touched the source and is now seperated from his body. Can he be saved? Trinity can save him, she answers, but she'll have to go through hell to do it. The oracal then goes on to tell her she'll eventually have to make the same choice, and that she'll know when.
After she leaves the oracals place, she walks down the white corridor and then in walks smith. 'Damm, not who I was hoping for, maybe you could help me find him'? And then you have to do about three levels worth of running away from smith. Bugger, that was hard.
Anyway, as to the theyory of matrix inside a matrix...no...that would be too obvious. It would turn the thrid film into an Xistnce rehash, which would be crap. I'm going to have to see the film again, but im not certain if Neo didn't take the same route as those who had gone before him.
Anyway, i think the three issues that need to be looked at are;
1) What has happened to Neo, has be becomed linked to the machine world through his communication with the architect?
2) What has happened to Smith, he commented that he knew he should have been deleated, but felt compelled to stay by someone else. Was this the architect working on a contingancy plan, or has it also, happened 5 times before?
3) What dose the Oracle want? I do now wonder, dose she know everything because she knows everything, or is it because shes whatched it happen 5 times before?
Is she another form of control, or dose she want something different to the rest of the machines? The oldest of both man and machine seem to realise they are interdependant...
I find the link between Smith and Neo facinating, somehow Neo has become connected to the machine world, while Smith has become connected to the human one.
Neo clearly didn't assimilate with the source, otherwise he wouldn't have made it out of the building.
The connection with Smith as I see it is that they both "broke" and break the rules of the matrix, and so are now both in effect "The One." Smith is the antithesis of Neo, but did anyone notice in he first film, how once Neo "dived into" Smith, and came out again all his wounds had vanished?
I thought this was a continuity error but maybe something that was part of Smith became part of Neo, and this explains both Smith's compulsion, and the way that he was able to stop the Sentinels outside of the Matrix??
If Neo and Smith are linked, that would help to explain things. And that is the bit I still don't get, what is, and who is the Oracle? Ok, she's a rogue program, but 1st, why? Secondly, the point above, can she actually see the future or are they predictions made on the past? Oh and finally, if she could see the future, and knew that Neo would not be assimilated into the source, thus possibly (we don't know yet) destroying the Matrix, and therefore her, why did she help???
I can state with some certainty that there is no Matrix within The Matrix. This idea has been thoroughly explored in The Thirteenth Floor. To rip that film off would be a complete distaster and the W Bros, who are famed for their original concepts, would never do it.
QuoteI can state with some certainty that there is no Matrix within The Matrix. This idea has been thoroughly explored in The Thirteenth Floor. To rip that film off would be a complete distaster and the W Bros, who are famed for their original concepts, would never do it.
Well now u have gone and ruined that book for me, i was just reading "The Thirteenth floor" and now i may aswell not bother thanks very much..
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Did it sound convincing :twisted:
Im having the last word word.
Sorry Smite you didn't sound at all convincing. And that hardly ruins the book, I could having read it a number of times but am feeling in a generous mood so won't.
was that convincing enough for you?
no :D