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dMw Chit Chat => The Beer Bar => It's my Birthday! => Topic started by: suicidal_monkey on June 04, 2007, 10:47:44 AM

Poll
Question: words
Option 1: enter votes: 10
Option 2: entre votes: 12
Option 3: entered votes: 8
Option 4: entred votes: 12
Option 5: "The data ARE correct\" ...data is always or should always be used in the plural votes: 3
Option 6: "The data IS correct\" ...it is fine to use data in the singular votes: 18
Title: certain words...
Post by: suicidal_monkey on June 04, 2007, 10:47:44 AM
center / centre - another US / UK disagreement. But then there's also centered / centred. Now I use centre but I also use centered as I find the way centred is spelt a bit weird. How do you spell it?


Secondly the word data. It is plural for the latin datum, but it seems to often be used in the singular as in "The data was recorded using this meter" rather than "Confirmable data were difficult to find on the numbers of illegal immegrants". Maybe those are bad example sentences but you get the idea. How do you use it?

edit: you can vote for multiple entries or none etc depending which you feel strongly enough about to think you are correct :)
Title: certain words...
Post by: Penfold on June 04, 2007, 10:55:39 AM
Centre / Centred / Data  is singular in the same that company's are.

PEN
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Post by: Blunt on June 04, 2007, 11:01:58 AM
Quoteâ€"Usage note: Data is a plural of datum, which is originally a Latin noun meaning “something given.” Today, data is used in English both as a plural noun meaning “facts or pieces of information” (These data are described more fully elsewhere) and as a singular mass noun meaning “information”: Not much data is available on flood control in Brazil. It is almost always treated as a plural in scientific and academic writing. In other types of writing it is either singular or plural. The singular datum meaning “a piece of information” is now rare in all types of writing. In surveying and civil engineering, where datum has specialized* senses, the plural form is datums.


Centre
Centred
Lose
Their
Too
*Specialised

:learn:
Title: certain words...
Post by: suicidal_monkey on June 04, 2007, 11:07:39 AM
Quote from: Blunt's quoteIt is almost always treated as a plural in scientific and academic writing.
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutgrammar/data
QuoteIs 'data' singular or plural?
   
Strictly speaking, data is the plural of datum, and should be used with a plural verb (like facts). However, there has been a growing tendency to use it as an equivalent to the uncountable noun information, followed by a singular verb. This is now regarded as generally acceptable in American use, and in the context of information technology. The traditional usage is still preferable, at least in Britain, but it may soon become a lost cause. Compare with agenda.
contradiction abounds! :)




I am using it in academic/scientific writing that is centred (I give in!)  arounf information technology and we do use data as a singular on a daily basis. Usually referring to [a set of] data I guess.
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Post by: OldBloke on June 04, 2007, 11:08:27 AM
Centre
Centred
Data
Forums

Immigrants :narnar:
Title: certain words...
Post by: suicidal_monkey on June 04, 2007, 11:26:13 AM
I sort of expected centre to win over center, but I'm intrigued by the data as a singular results though - The traditional and typically British way of using the word data is as a plural. It's Americans (and certain scientific bodies...) that use data as a single thing. Shocking :) edit: and the Danes apparently :D


I'm an immigrant :( ...though given another 6 months I should be permanently resident, and a year after that Naturalis[?eep?]ed British :D
I was supposedly educated at a "proper British" type high school (proper not being the same as "comprehensive") though.
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Post by: delanvital on June 04, 2007, 11:39:02 AM
Lol, what a tie.

And I am the only one that considers data to be plural, which, after doing some research is in fact wrong. It is singular. It is so, because it implicitly referred to as a (one) collection of data. Even though data is plural of datum :g: My source is ordbogen.com - the best English-Danish dictionary in Denmark.

Edit: I stick to center and centered. And fora.

Edit: Soz SM, just saw your post above :blush:
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Post by: target on June 04, 2007, 11:39:22 AM
Centre
Centred
Data (plural)
Title: certain words...
Post by: Blunt on June 04, 2007, 12:01:33 PM
(http://uk.geocities.com/bluntphilly@btopenworld.com/spell.jpg)
Title: certain words...
Post by: spiritus on June 07, 2007, 09:51:44 AM
QuoteThe data ARE correct" ...data is always or should always be used in the plural
made me confused.. :blink:
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Post by: DuVeL on June 07, 2007, 09:57:13 AM
I must say that I really like the English language and especially the various forms how you guys phrase sentences sometimes.
 
Just voted 1 thing though...
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Post by: smilodon on June 07, 2007, 06:59:49 PM
It's our bloody language and so whatever we say is right. Sidewalk my arse.
Title: certain words...
Post by: Bk on June 07, 2007, 08:05:30 PM
Now that this thread has come up I wanted to point out that I've noticed many of you people saying "ore" in scenarios like "what do you like more, pie or cake?"
Now my question is, do british people say "ore" instead of "or", or is it just a very common typo 'round here?
Title: certain words...
Post by: smilodon on June 07, 2007, 08:27:55 PM
.....or
Title: certain words...
Post by: suicidal_monkey on June 07, 2007, 09:06:09 PM
must be a typo ... the r and e keys are quite close. Fat finger syndrome :D
that ore they're from the west country m'luv