tonight i asked Gavster not to use the following spray
(http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9409/hmmmmmdo6.th.jpg) (http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hmmmmmdo6.jpg)
I did this for two reasons:
1. It contains a limited amount of sexual relations.. which afaik arent allowed in sprays. this one isnt anything special i admit.
2. Tho i still said no, cause when using such spray we might have a newcomer see it and think sprays with sexual are allowed, and when we then start telling him he isnt allowed to use it, he will refer to the he saw.. then it will turn into a discussion which isnt really what admins should spend their time on..
(worst case cenario i know)
Ive made this post so we could discuss it and clarify some consistency within the admin staff, seniors and charlie's..
So correct me if i was wrong not to allow it, and its not that i dont like the spray, she lovely :D but still for the reasons stated.. i might just be following the rules a bit much to the letter at times
feel free if you dont understand my point
And if admins find it usefull they can move it to a more proper section, just posted here to so admins could read to start with
Ps. Side note, i allowed him to use it once for this thread to be made
I was considering saying something when i first saw the spray. I think the seniors can properly vouch for whether this is not allowed or not. Personally it can't really be a ban but i see what you mean Kreg.
I'd just recommend not using it as it might be taken offence.
Then again, Sn00ks I believe had a spray also something similar.
/sticks neck out
Personally as this particular spray shows nothing more than you can see on a TV advert for a deodorant in the middle of children's TV time then I am not too bothered by it.
/withdraws neck
If it went beyond to nudity then I would make a request to remove the spray and aks them not to use it. A gentle kick (no ban) would be applied if they ignored my request.
More explicit nudity I would warn not to use the spray and to change it, then kick and ban if my polite request is ignored.
I think Kreg was absolutely right in his perspective, to be aware of the sprays used and their content and this I applaud. However in this particular case I do not think further action is warranted as it is not more than you see on TV, a magazine or on a billboard every day of the week.
In this case I might have suggested to Gavster that he perhapos explore the possibility of a more original spray, but then I would probably leave it at that and just resort to taking the michael out of him mercilessly for lack of original though and inspiration. The latter usually gets the avatar changed real quick :norty:
My 2 cents.
TL.
/exits moral maze
Quote from: TeaLeaf;200317/sticks neck out
Personally as this particular spray shows nothing more than you can see on a TV advert for a deodorant in the middle of children's TV time then I am not too bothered by it.
/withdraws neck
If it went beyond to nudity then I would make a request to remove the spray and aks them not to use it. A gentle kick (no ban) would be applied if they ignored my request.
More explicit nudity I would warn not to use the spray and to change it, then kick and ban if my polite request is ignored.
I think Kreg was absolutely right in his perspective, to be aware of the sprays used and their content and this I applaud. However in this particular case I do not think further action is warranted as it is not more than you see on TV, a magazine or on a billboard every day of the week.
In this case I might have suggested to Gavster that he perhapos explore the possibility of a more original spray, but then I would probably leave it at that and just resort to taking the michael out of him mercilessly for lack of original though and inspiration. The latter usually gets the avatar changed real quick :norty:
My 2 cents.
TL.
/exits moral maze
:withstupid: It could be seen as sexist but as TL says, that's no more than you can see on your average TV advert. The 2 sprays I gave the bans for yesterday both contained nudity and the bans were issued after a verbal warnings and a kick.
I did a personal chat message to Gav telling him that someone was questioning his spray (he already knew that as Kreg had been speaking to him) and asking him to refrain from using it on our server. (I hadn't seen it at this point).
He didn't reply so I Presume he missed the message.
I got to see the spray eventually and advised Kreg to do as he has now done, and post a screeny in admin section.
Your replies pretty much echo my thoughts, fairly harmless but could encourage others to spray stronger images. It also makes it more difficult to police the offensive sprayers if borderline sprays are being used.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;200317/sticks neck out
Personally as this particular spray shows nothing more than you can see on a TV advert for a deodorant in the middle of children's TV time then I am not too bothered by it.
/withdraws neck
I agree with this, but it doesn't make some images/commercials less sexist.
Quote from: Blunt;200324Your replies pretty much echo my thoughts, fairly harmless but could encourage others to spray stronger images. It also makes it more difficult to police the offensive sprayers if borderline sprays are being used.
Indeed. Very well put.
The difficulty is that an image like that is almost identicial to an image of let's say, for example a member's wife, who is wearing a summer top. As the line is so blurred at these edges then it is difficult to ban one and not the other. Hence the suggestion to comment and encourage. It is far easier to draw the line when a nice picture becomes nudity.
As for sexism I'll pose this question. Given the possible similarity between the in-game picture and a photo of someone's wife, is a posting a picture of said wife sexist?
TL.
Quote from: Blunt;200324Your replies pretty much echo my thoughts, fairly harmless but could encourage others to spray stronger images. It also makes it more difficult to police the offensive sprayers if borderline sprays are being used.
My exact thought/reason for asking him to please not use the spray
Never seen the point in sprays, only time I have ever seen them used is to gloat when you've killed someone. Just as bad as spraying the corpse with bullets.
Ban all sprays I say! (or jut turn em off like I do)
Jamoe aka grumpy git.
:)
Get back to yer land of gnomes and pixies and stuff you :narnar:
PEN
I'm with TL on this one but it is never an easy call.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;200375Given the possible similarity between the in-game picture and a photo of someone's wife, is a posting a picture of said wife sexist?
TL.
Maybe not, but it might still be harmfull, if in this case said poster :narnar: I agree w/ kreg though, when i doubt, politely asking them not to use it is the correct course of action.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;200317/sticks neck out
Personally as this particular spray shows nothing more than you can see on a TV advert for a deodorant in the middle of children's TV time then I am not too bothered by it.
/withdraws neck
excactly, nothing a 16+ hasn't seen before (regarding the age on the box)
Though as much as i like it, it does kinda add anything to the game, it rather spoils it, cuz if your rushing with non dmw´ers there are always persons stopping to admire the vieuw, wich cancells the rush a bit out.
Quote from: Jamoe;200399Never seen the point in sprays, only time I have ever seen them used is to gloat when you've killed someone. Just as bad as spraying the corpse with bullets.
Ban all sprays I say! (or just turn em off like I do)
Jamoe aka grumpy git.
:)
I'm 100% with you my grumpy friend. I really can't see the point in them and I've turned them off as well. I huge annoyance to me was a bloody animated duck! :taz:
It's cyber graffiti and perpetrators should me made to clean it off. :angry:
Doorman aka as a grumpy old git (and famous for it)
Quote from: Jamoe;200399Ban all sprays I say! (or jut turn em off like I do)
... and there is the easy solution to this entire debate. Turn them off server side.
How do you remove them ? I'd like to get rid of them also.
Thanks
PEN
config.cfg find mp_decals "1" and guess what next. :) Unfortunately you can't get rid of the sound of people 'psssing' up the wall! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Doorman;200511config.cfg find mp_decals "1" and guess what next. :) Unfortunately you can't get rid of the sound of people 'psssing' up the wall! :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure this would stop the signs working. :g:
Quote from: Whitey;200516I'm pretty sure this would stop the signs working. :g:
I can vouch for this, I don't a see the signs, which has been a pain on the newer maps, but we didn't always use signs so can't be missing much.
Quote from: Jamoe;200528I can vouch for this, I don't a see the signs, which has been a pain on the newer maps, but we didn't always use signs so can't be missing much.
That, I must say, didn't occur to me. But like Jamoe, I'm not fussed by signs. Deeply ingrained training don'cha know. :)
Yeah i dont really notice the signs either, but we cant remove em, as that would make it a lot harder to admin the borders :)
My old spray showed less flesh that Gavsters. it was based on my Avatar, but didn't wiggle.
I can see that his spray is on the limit but not 100% sure which side of it though. It is very much a personal thing.
I think if we allowed it then it could imply that we would allow other more revealing or inappropriate ones.
It is also very distracting to come around the corner and see that. I think this is unfair and so it should not be allowed.
Ban all sprays, they're crap.
I've spoken, now go get me a drink.
Quote from: Benny;201548Ban all sprays, they're crap.
I've spoken, now go get me a drink.
Ban benny and get the sprays on...:boxing:
Quote from: Sn00ks;201512My old spray showed less flesh that Gavsters. it was based on my Avatar, but didn't wiggle.
I can see that his spray is on the limit but not 100% sure which side of it though. It is very much a personal thing.
I think if we allowed it then it could imply that we would allow other more revealing or inappropriate ones.
It is also very distracting to come around the corner and see that. I think this is unfair and so it should not be allowed.
You do know that in CSS they can move?
Ahwell, I reckon sprays should be up. If people don't want to see them then they can turn them off.