What's the solution?
National Service? A good hiding? This country is going to the dogs and the symptoms are monifesting themselves in teenagers.
I love England, but I hate what it's turned into.
Quote from: Benny;203845What's the solution?
National Service? A good hiding? This country is going to the dogs and the symptoms are monifesting themselves in teenagers.
I love England, but I hate what it's turned into.
Assign one school leaver to every pensioner as a personal assistant/bodyguard/slave etc. with the firm understanding that whatever happens to the pensioner will also happen to the youth (barring death by natural causes). Minimum wage for 2 years service, then off to uni/get a job or back into service if they've not got a job within 6 months.
Doggers you must be getting old..
Seriously though.. Hold the parents financially responsible for the actions of their kids..
Quote from: Ninja_Freak;203850Seriously though.. Hold the parents financially responsible for the actions of their kids..
Aye, that would be one solution.
Another would be to revamp the whole benefit system, so that kids aren't seen in some areas of society solely as the means to get a bigger house/higher income/etc.
Another would be to take the bloody gloves off parents/teachers and allow some discipline to be reinstilled. I'm not saying thumping kids about should be allowed, far from it. However, parents shouldn't have to fear being labelled a child abuser for giving a little smack when the little tykes are really playing up.
Growing up in the 70's I remember that any adult was allowed to discipline any child. You didn't answer back to anyone, because it'd always find its way back to your folks and you'd be in for a rollicking. You'd never dream of backchatting the rozzers. Not only would you get it in the neck from them, but woe betide you when you got home.
Do I ever recall being abused? No. Do I have lasting mental scars, or anguish? No. As a child you push the boundaries as far as behaviour is concerned, and you need to know where you have to stop.
I think that's where our country has gone wrong. We've had too many PC, softy liberal shites running the show for too long, and look at the legacy they've created... :sad:
Sadly, we've had at least two generations where this has got out of hand (and I truly believe that the generation gap is starting to get smaller). Anything that gets effected now, is going to take a fair while to put things right.
To be Honest being one of the youngest here its lack of facilities for children. A prime example is my local swimming pool which has since closed down and is now going to become a housing block. In all fairness we are ignoring our children who are the future of the country by not providing them with facilities. Ask the average child on the street why they are there, simply because they are "bored".
Quote from: GhostMjr;203855To be Honest being one of the youngest here its lack of facilities for children. A prime example is my local swimming pool which has since closed down and is now going to become a housing block. In all fairness we are ignoring our children who are the future of the country by not providing them with facilities. Ask the average child on the street why they are there, simply because they are "bored".
That's the kind of talk that keeps the whole rotten mess going. I didn't have a swimming pool or any of the things that are deemed 'necessary' nowadays and I've never stabbed anyone. I got into trouble, like any kid but if I got the cane at school I also got a sorting out when I got home for GETTING the cane. Coppers were to be feared if not respected. You certainly didn't give them any lip.Kids today are not taught their boundaries. Consequently, they have no idea of right and wrong until they kill someone. Then they start their self pitying blubbing as they're sent down for two weeks community service. :ranting2::ranting2::ranting2::ranting2: etc. etc.
It's not about boredom, I'm only 20 myself so I shouldn't be too out of touch with the younger generation (or my memories of it) and basically the cause is nothing happens when you do something wrong so why stop.
Shout at a teacher, nothing happens and your friends will think you're cool. Harass someone on the street, the police don't come knocking.
Don't get a job, the government will just hand you cash for as long as you kept asking for it.
Things need to change, it needs to start with the schools, if someone is causing a problem they should be expelled, not given 50 chances to turn it all around. Take them out of their circle of friends and they won't do the same things.
Police need to arrest people for commiting crimes, it's no good having loads of new laws when the police ignore the old ones....when was the last time you saw someone arrested for littering? If the police pick and choose what to inforce there's no point them being there, because one day they'll be to busy for a murder because lots have people have been speeding that day.
Next step is make people work for benifits, they should have 3 months of proper benifits the way it is now (anyone can find themself unemployed for a short while), but after that they should be limited to free public transport, food tokens (strictly not transferable - 5 yr prison term etc) and a space in a hostel if they want it. No council houses etc, no blowing all their money on scratchcards, there is no stigma about being unemployed anymore, make people proud to be working.
Final point, don't let bad parents look after children, if someone is raising their child badly enough social services get involved, or they're sent to youth offenders surely that proves the point they can't raise a child and their children should be put into care pending the parent(s) completeing a good parenting course. Make them work for their child, because if they don't care enough to pass the course then they shouldn't have a child.
(some of this is quite extreme but it would work)
Quote from: T-Bag;203886It's not about boredom, I'm only 20 myself so I shouldn't be too out of touch with the younger generation (or my memories of it) and basically the cause is nothing happens when you do something wrong so why stop.
Shout at a teacher, nothing happens and your friends will think you're cool. Harass someone on the street, the police don't come knocking.
Don't get a job, the government will just hand you cash for as long as you kept asking for it.
Things need to change, it needs to start with the schools, if someone is causing a problem they should be expelled, not given 50 chances to turn it all around. Take them out of their circle of friends and they won't do the same things.
Police need to arrest people for commiting crimes, it's no good having loads of new laws when the police ignore the old ones....when was the last time you saw someone arrested for littering? If the police pick and choose what to inforce there's no point them being there, because one day they'll be to busy for a murder because lots have people have been speeding that day.
Next step is make people work for benifits, they should have 3 months of proper benifits the way it is now (anyone can find themself unemployed for a short while), but after that they should be limited to free public transport, food tokens (strictly not transferable - 5 yr prison term etc) and a space in a hostel if they want it. No council houses etc, no blowing all their money on scratchcards, there is no stigma about being unemployed anymore, make people proud to be working.
Final point, don't let bad parents look after children, if someone is raising their child badly enough social services get involved, or they're sent to youth offenders surely that proves the point they can't raise a child and their children should be put into care pending the parent(s) completeing a good parenting course. Make them work for their child, because if they don't care enough to pass the course then they shouldn't have a child.
(some of this is quite extreme but it would work)
It's encouraging to hear a young fellah talk like this. There's hope for us all.
This goes for everyone, not just kids, commit a crime such as theft, antisocial, physical violence etc, cut a finger off, repeat offenders get another finger cut off.
Or if thats sounds a little 'heavy handed', send them to a military style base camp where they have to endure rigorous tasks etc for long periods of times.
Just the other week or so ago, some youths were causing damage in the high street late at night and one of the youths threatened an elderly lady with a knife saying he was going to kill her....... with word quickly getting round there was "gathering" of locals who did not like the sound of this. 30 people went round the village looking for these youths, they identified them and tracked them down...rang on the door bell, and the farther came out, teenager looking out the top window, one them shouted " You come out and we will sort it out like men" he was scared s***less, the police turned up, slightly out numbered as there was only 2 of them, trying to move literally 30 men, they told them to move on and let them do their job, that didn't go down well as they responded, well someone has to "police" around here and where the f*** were you! - they never even turned up till a day later!
Bring back the local bobby that everyone fears!!
ohh and build more prisons and take away their privileges and to the most extent, their human rights!! instead of allowing TV's radio's, pool etc!!
Rant over....for now :)
Quote from: Doorman;203879That's the kind of talk that keeps the whole rotten mess going. I didn't have a swimming pool or any of the things that are deemed 'necessary' nowadays and I've never stabbed anyone. I got into trouble, like any kid but if I got the cane at school I also got a sorting out when I got home for GETTING the cane. Coppers were to be feared if not respected. You certainly didn't give them any lip.Kids today are not taught their boundaries. Consequently, they have no idea of right and wrong until they kill someone. Then they start their self pitying blubbing as they're sent down for two weeks community service. :ranting2::ranting2::ranting2::ranting2: etc. etc.
I agree completely with the consequence and border stuff. Why is this not emphasised? Maybe because kids are placed in institutions and/or schools most of their young life. This does not teach kids what is right or wrong and teachers can't even as much as threaten with a smack. The education and moral kids should get from their parents is rather limited. I think this is so for two reasons - first of all because of the lack of time kids are around their parents to learn and second, because when parents finally have time to be with their kids, they sort of want to make up for not having been there by giving them a good time... and some slack or something.
Only just 24 meself and I agree a lot with what has already been said. Kids these days have no respect for authority because everyone is too scared of getting in trouble themselves for 'abuse' to enforce discipline when kids are bad. My parents are quite old (my bro and sis are both pushing 40) so possibly I got slightly 'old fashioned' parenting from them (I know I resented the fact that the never let me stay out as late or go out drinking as young or watch such gory/sexy movies etc etc as all my mates parents did) but if I was naughty I got a smack, and the physical pain taught me not to do that again. If I got in trouble at my (small local village) school my parents *did* find out, and I got in trouble for it again when I got home (OK not caning, but a damn good yelling/grounding or similar, which was properly enforced). I grew up fine, and I know the limits of society and have a good moral base (I think, anyway). And a large part of the problem these days seems to be that parents either don't care enough or aren't willing to discipline their kids when they get in trouble. Make the parents or legal guardians responsible in terms of paying for damages or serving some kind of community service that the kid would have got if they were older etc (not to the extent of serving a prison sentence of course, that would be going too far).
On this subject actually, has anyone else read the *book* Starship Troopers? It's far better than the film, and actually has a lot to say on this kind of subject. I read it recently, and Robert Heinlein made some good points. In the book version of the future (and bearing in mind it was written in the late 50s he shows some remarkable foresight) our way of life fell apart around about now, as kids lost respect for authority, everyone wanted to freeload, and authority was nonexistent. In steps a, to be fair, pretty fascist, government. Public floggings are reinstated for most crimes where today you'd get a fine or community service. If the child is too young to be flogged the father is flogged. If the child is old enough (say past about 16) but still under the age of legally being responsible for their actions (under 18) both father and son are strung up together (admittedly this is assuming that most issues with the world today stem from young males rather than both sexes).
Now that is going a bit far and is somewhat barbaric, but Heinlein makes a good point that we have evolved to equate pain = bad. If you are trying to house train a puppy you cause it limited physical pain by smacking it whenever it messes on the carpet, and if you see it about to do something in the wrong place you move it to the correct location. You don't just yell at it, because that would take far longer to instil the correct behaviour, if it ever worked at all. We (well, most people) have this ingrained subconscious instinct of 'OK, I received physical pain for doing X, so maybe I shouldn't do X again'. Why not make use of that? If all you do is stuff a kid in prison overnight then let them go, over and over again... Human rights laws (which, don't get me wrong, I think are a good thing) have made sure that prison stays aren't exactly an uncomfortable experience, so where's the punishment? Maybe not flogging, but what about physically arduous tasks like you get for punishments in the Army. Anyone else seen 'Bad Lads Army' on TV, where they take a load of repeat offenders and train them using Army training methods from the 50s, including the punishments and such?
Sorry, that was a bit longer than I thought. Wall of text crits you for elevendy.
Parents and a media that is happy to lie in order to get a few more adverts watched or a few more papers sold. I'd blame them both almost exclusively.
Not enough police? So what if kids don't commit crime in the first place. Not enough prisons? Likewise, who cares if kids don't get sent there. No discipline in schools? Not important if kids don't misbehave. Children in 2007 are no different from kids in 1997, 1987 1977 etc etc. There's nothing in their genes that makes them into thugs. It's lazy, selfish parenting. Too many people with too much time and money, and a desire to fill their days up with what they want to do. Children are a commitment not a luxury. Shoving then in front of a TV, a PC or out the door is not a substitute for proactive parenting. Parents should share their time with their kids. Don't offload your parental responsibilities onto Nickelodeon or EA Sports.
Take any child from today or any time in the past and neglect them and allow them to get bored. Throw in massive under funding of youth facilities, swimming pools, playing fields, youth clubs and associations. Add a 'litigation mad' greedy society that given half a chance will sue the life out of any who gives their time to run a kids football club or activity group. Then top it off with removing the ability of the only people left who can help kids (teachers) to effectively control them... and welcome to our world.
And then we add fuel to the fire. Our press delight in telling us how evil kids are. How we must beat and punish them and devise more obscene and medieval ways of getting a some revenge on the little swine when they do become the monsters we have created. And then let the press lie and deceive us about the true levels of youth crime in the UK. Let them dwell on the negative (when did something positive ever sell a newspaper?). They'll never tell you about the decent and the good stuff kids mostly do. Papers scare you, they tell you what's wrong with society. Then they tell you that it's not your fault. And finally they tell you who's fault it is, never once letting a fact get in the way of a good paper selling story.
Kids are great. Given half a chance they will reward us, enthrall us, entertain us, make us proud and ultimately look after us. If a small minority grow up broken it really isn't their fault. It's ours. We're to blame. Not some lax laws and ineffective police service. It's you and me friend. We created the world we live in. If it's crap, well that's down to us. Like I say, we always like to find someone else to blame when it all goes wrong. It's never us that's messed up. It's always the other guy.
Quote from: smilodon;203910Kids are great. Given half a chance they will reward us, enthrall us, entertain us, make us proud and ultimately look after us. If a small minority grow up broken it really isn't their fault. It's ours. We're to blame. Not some lax laws and ineffective police service. It's you and me friend. We created the world we live in. If it's crap, well that's down to us. Like I say, we always like to find someone else to blame when it all goes wrong. It's never us that's messed up. It's always the other guy.
In which case I would like to say I am deeply, truly sorry. :rolleyes:...friend
Quote from: smilodon;203910snips long post by Smilo
hear! hear! I've spent most of today trying to work out what to put but you said it all :clap:
Well, i've been reading through this, for a while.. And, speaking as a kid / Teenager, I can say that all(/most) of the recent stabbings(/killings, violence, drugs and anti-social behavior. Spelling?) are for respect, just trying to get their mates to think their big, or to show off to a girl by pratting about, and taking it too far.
And yes, it is the parent's and people around the "youths" fault, but also the child's own, for not knowing where to stop, where's it going to stop? Beating someone up because they looked sideways at you, shouting abuse across the street at people that don't wear the same clothes as you, or a stabbing? Well... That all depends on the person in speaking. It might be a simple case of hanging around your friends, and they might not respect their parents, and you start to have the same attitude towards your own, and everyone who ain't your mate, or you've been brought up a bit rough, and it's just a way of life, or maybe, you've just got a F**ked up child! Who doesn't give a S**t what he/she does, and the consequences to their-self, or anyone around them.
And as Smilo said,(I think?) Kids only say "I'm so bored" and such alike, because, it's a new generation, times have changed, but I doubt kids are that different from when you were kids, or younger, it's just the fact.. That dumping you child in front of a computer, is normal, and when you take that away from them, they have to think about doing other stuff, like being outside with your mates, causing trouble, drinking, or just "having a laugh"(Along with lots of other things, depends on the child, they might hate computers, and love drawing, and painting, and are probably lovely. Just try to imagine that this one isn't, and they like drinking, and causing trouble and like to go out messing around with their mates in town), which usually results in someone getting hurt, or them in jail.
This is one reason the prisons are over-flowing, because everyone's "Bored" , now, I don't know if it would be better, to give us more activities, or take away everything we would normally be doing, and give us a reality shock, which would probably change the way we think, for quite a long time..
Now, I hope that came out right, me reading it over it seems OK, but I dunno..
Oh, and i'm no "Mummy's boy", i'm more of a chav :sideways:,and i'm close enough to Shrewsbury and Oswestry to know what it's like, being around people that don't take you seriously, or wanna fight you 'cos you look tough.
Well, there's my contribution. hope it might let you "Understand", but it's more-or-less exactly what's already been said.
Boring people get bored,, libraries parks stars architecture tv are all free ........an eye for eye I say.
Smilo I agree that parents are obviously the most to blame for youth being out of control, but if there were enough people doing the right thing in society they wouldn't enjoy breaking the rules so much. I agree bad parents raise bad kids (thats just a fact), But as a society you've got to ask, why are we suddenly making bad parents now? and is there something we can do to help.
Near my house there was a fight going on about 6 months ago, which my friends and I broke up, but alot of people just walked by doing nothing which only makes things worse.
(admittedly things didn't go smoothly afterwards, he proceeded to smash a window in with his fist, break a guys nose (completely innocent person walking past didn't break the fight up etc) and the police had to be called, but not doing anything would have undoubtedly been worse given the beating he gave the first guy.)
People have to do the right thing when faced with a situation, or else they loose the right to complain when things keep going wrong.
I don't really know why the world is the way it is...who does? Maybe something happened in the 1980's when people all began to aspire to earn more money and live better lifestyles. We live in a materialistic world now, where we seem to judge people by what they own rather than by who they are. Go to a book shop and the 'self help' section is huge. But ask where the 'help others' section is and you'll just get an odd look. A legacy of the 'get rich quick society'?
I agree it still takes a choice to throw a punch or pull a trigger. Teenagers like everyone else have to accept there are consequences to their actions. Plenty of kids live less than ideal childhoods and still turn out fine. And I suppose that's my point. A very small minority commit the majority of crime. The media grab onto these atrocious events and milk them for all they are worth. We end up believing we live in a world that's falling apart, where every other child is a feral beast ready to knife us for our mobile phone. That's just not reality. Most people, kids included, are basically decent. Treat them with respect, value their opinions, hopes and beliefs even though they may not be your own, and you'll get treated the same in return.
Quote from: Cadaver;203852Another would be to take the bloody gloves off parents/teachers and allow some discipline to be reinstilled. I'm not saying thumping kids about should be allowed, far from it. However, parents shouldn't have to fear being labelled a child abuser for giving a little smack when the little tykes are really playing up.
Growing up in the 70's I remember that any adult was allowed to discipline any child. You didn't answer back to anyone, because it'd always find its way back to your folks and you'd be in for a rollicking. You'd never dream of backchatting the rozzers. Not only would you get it in the neck from them, but woe betide you when you got home.
Do I ever recall being abused? No. Do I have lasting mental scars, or anguish? No. As a child you push the boundaries as far as behaviour is concerned, and you need to know where you have to stop.
I think that's where our country has gone wrong. We've had too many PC, softy liberal shites running the show for too long, and look at the legacy they've created... :sad:
Sadly, we've had at least two generations where this has got out of hand (and I truly believe that the generation gap is starting to get smaller). Anything that gets effected now, is going to take a fair while to put things right.
I agree totally, fortunately for my kids I'm teaching them my value system which includes not tolerating any of the kind of bollox and disrespect that appears so totally prevalent nowadays - turning into a real grumpy old git....
Quote from: smilodon;203967I agree it still takes a choice to throw a punch or pull a trigger. Teenagers like everyone else have to accept there are consequences to their actions. Plenty of kids live less than ideal childhoods and still turn out fine. And I suppose that's my point. A very small minority commit the majority of crime. The media grab onto these atrocious events and milk them for all they are worth. We end up believing we live in a world that's falling apart, where every other child is a feral beast ready to knife us for our mobile phone. That's just not reality. Most people, kids included, are basically decent. Treat them with respect, value their opinions, hopes and beliefs even though they may not be your own, and you'll get treated the same in return.
Well, i'm not too sure what it's like where you are, but around here, it's not too nice.
quite a lot of violence, gangs of chavs everywhere, waiting at any opportunity to beat the living day-lights out of you, and you only avoid abuse if you wear the same clothes as them, it can be pretty horrible.
Just a few days ago, me, Tech, and his friend, were walking through Oswestry,(local town,)and we started to get followed by 6 ten-twelve yearolds, they were all wearing trackies, and nike / adidas tops trousers,(Typical clothes nowadays..) and probably would have kept following us, if I hadn't glared at them, and who knows what would have happened.
Just don't let them intimidate you.
Quote from: target;204029I agree totally, fortunately for my kids I'm teaching them my value system which includes not tolerating any of the kind of bollox and disrespect that appears so totally prevalent nowadays
Sounds a lot like my dad. Ment in a good way of course.
Quote from: Eternaluk;204095Well, i'm not too sure what it's like where you are, but around here, it's not too nice.
quite a lot of violence, gangs of chavs everywhere, waiting at any opportunity to beat the living day-lights out of you, and you only avoid abuse if you wear the same clothes as them, it can be pretty horrible.
Just a few days ago, me, Tech, and his friend, were walking through Oswestry,(local town,)and we started to get followed by 6 ten-twelve yearolds, they were all wearing trackies, and nike / adidas tops trousers,(Typical clothes nowadays..) and probably would have kept following us, if I hadn't glared at them, and who knows what would have happened.
Just don't let them intimidate you.
Sounds a lot like my dad. Ment in a good way of course.
IT is not that bad in oswestry and if they start kick the **** out of them :angry::angry::angry::angry:
Quote from: d.a.n;204208IT is not that bad in oswestry and if they start kick the **** out of them :angry::angry::angry::angry:
*Clears throat* Your telling me, it's not that bad? :lmfao:Anyway, I was just trying to give the place some character, as not much happens around here.
Yeah, i'm not scared of the people around here, but.. Oh nevermind.. I'll just say, remember a certain "Ice cream" incident? (If you must reply, reply in a PM as to not swamp this thread :norty:.)
Anyway, i'm sure a few of you have heard about the new "Rules" that Gordon Brown is/has brought into place. If kids are found mucking around, from or to school they can get disciplined by the teachers.
Also, kids that get excluded, have to stay off the streets for the first five days of their exclusion, and if they are found on the streets, their parents have to pay a £50 fine.
Quote from: Eternaluk;204238Anyway, i'm sure a few of you have heard about the new "Rules" that Gordon Brown is/has brought into place. If kids are found mucking around, from or to school they can get disciplined by the teachers.
Also, kids that get excluded, have to stay off the streets for the first five days of their exclusion, and if they are found on the streets, their parents have to pay a £50 fine.
This has got to be a joke. This might clear out the symptoms, but won't remove the problem...
OswestryQuoteWhere Shropshire meets Wales
Where the lively market town of Oswestry awaits
Where border history unfolds with tales of myth and legend
Where magical castles fascinate and idyllic valleys entice
Where the welcome is sincere and the hospitality legendary
Where the real world recedes and the relaxed you emerges
Sounds very nice :wink:
Quote from: smilodon;204264Oswestry
Sounds very nice :wink:
Sounds lush, I might more my pimping business there. My "Hoes" have always complained about the lack of idyllic valleys.
Quote from: T-Bag;204291My "Hoes" have always complained about the lack of idyllic valleys.
Are you using Circle, Hula or regular?
Had to laugh at a post on the BBC website where they are allowing people to give their opinions on whether scientists should be allowed to use mixed embryos (human/animal) for research into diseases. Here is the quote:
QuoteThey have been carrying out these experiments for many years now in Britain. The subjects can be recognised by their genetically programmed predisposition towards baseball caps worn backwards and hooded tops.
Bill Walker, Portsmouth
Quote from: BlueBall;204313Had to laugh at a post on the BBC website where they are allowing people to give their opinions on whether scientists should be allowed to use mixed embryos (human/animal) for research into diseases. Here is the quote:
:roflmao:
On another note - is Cameron's attempted fight-back a good idea?
Extract from a more general article on his fight-back:
Title: A flawed fight-back
Economist, 00130613, 8/25/2007, Vol. 384, Issue 8543
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The Tory leader tries to regain momentum but stumbles
On August 22nd David Cameron, the Conservative Party leader, made a speech calling for a "three-dimensional" fight against youth crime, a hot topic in British politics. Efforts should be divided, he argued, between policing, the judicial system and the social causes of law-breaking. It was the most considered of his attempts to improve the Tories' standing in the polls since his return from holiday."
as u know im part of the younger contingent of ppl around here (22)
there is one word that sums it all up
RESPECT
IMO is that simple, so many people have lost respect for each other, if some of the fundamentals in life were instilled properly then we wouldnt even b having this discussion. Even if i take a leaf from some of the major religions, KARMA. most major religions teach this in one way or another, now im not religious myself but i realise the importance in treating others how you expect to be treated.
to be honest i would be very much in favour of some form of national service, but this has to be inforced with major training and making people have skills. there is no real answer to any of the problems without a total change. (EDIT - this is where i started to go off on a tanget in this post)this would be very simple, get rid of most of the government, and puit me incharge, i would soon sort stuff out, if people refuse to comply then fear works well to. 3 strikes then your out, literaly, bang headshot.
Quote from: BlueBall;204313Had to laugh at a post on the BBC website where they are allowing people to give their opinions on whether scientists should be allowed to use mixed embryos (human/animal) for research into diseases. Here is the quote:
:lmfao: Some good points here. Respect is definitely the main factor, but i believe a "copy what my friend is doing" attitude is also a factor. The government has gone into a bit of a nanny state though, too much human rights malarkey. If they need a slap, you shouldn't need to be thinking whether you'll be jailed for something which may at worst give the skin a red tint.
Quote from: Lee;205808:lmfao: Some good points here. Respect is definitely the main factor, but i believe a "copy what my friend is doing" attitude is also a factor. The government has gone into a bit of a nanny state though, too much human rights malarkey. If they need a slap, you shouldn't need to be thinking whether you'll be jailed for something which may at worst give the skin a red tint.
Scrap human rights crap when it defies common sense. One school has got to take the leap, get parents of disruptive children to sign a waver for sensible disiplinery actions, like a clip round the ear-hole and when their figures go through the roof people will understand that teaching people that actions have consequences teaches respect.
Why should people in prison get to watch TV, why should a kid throwing punches at a teacher get a settlement from the school if the teacher defends themselves, why should every HR decision made in a UK court that goes badly for someone be retried in the European courts and overturned.
Quote from: T-Bag;205833Scrap human rights crap when it defies common sense. One school has got to take the leap, get parents of disruptive children to sign a waver for sensible disiplinery actions, like a clip round the ear-hole
Unfortunately these days the parents can't *do* that. A child could report his parents to social services and get them convicted for a clip round the ear-hole, if we was so inclined. Child abuse, innit :blink::sideways:
That would be tough to prove..
A beating with a stick is far different than a "clip". Unless of course you get the phone book out.
What I see is a growing disrespect for adults and eachother in general. I'm glad I'm not a teenager anymore. For one the clothes suck.. Seriously tho, we've lost common decency and mutual respect. It all has to be fought for and kids need to learn to protect themselves. I agree 100% with Sheepy.
The one thing that I don't see adults doing however is respecting the youth. I think that older generations must learn to respect the youth and not be so dismissive or self-rightous.
I know it's not easy being a teen today and I know what it's like having to have your guard up most of the time. I agree with Eternal. Sometimes you have to "cop a tude" in order to get people to back off. One thing I do know is that if you walk around all meak and pitiful you will get picked on. "walk like a victom and you'll soon be one"...
It IS about respect.
Quote from: DogMeat;203849Assign one school leaver to every pensioner as a personal assistant/bodyguard/slave etc. with the firm understanding that whatever happens to the pensioner will also happen to the youth (barring death by natural causes). Minimum wage for 2 years service, then off to uni/get a job or back into service if they've not got a job within 6 months.
You've got my vote:woot2:
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Its all rediculous, I was brought up in a nice small town on the outskirts of Hull, myself and my friends were brought up in the country and we were always taught to be nice and respectful.
In fact, right at the top of my street there was a bench where we used to hang around in our teenage years, it stood there for about 3 or 4 years but as soon as we stopped hanging around it, another group of teens moved in and it was covered in graffitti and destroyed all within the space of a year. What really gets me about that, is that the bench was dedicated to a man who died of cancer a few years earlier, to me that is just as bad as defacing a gravestone.
Now it seems, things are even worse, whenever I go back to see my parents that the town is in a state of decline, it has increased in size quite considerably and it appears that the 'rough' element have moved in, one of the worst parts about being there is the kids who really do not give a flying f**k about anyone.
My girlfriend is a teacher at an inner city secondary school and the stories she tells me about their behavious is rediculous, now I'm only 25 and I'm already able to say 'in my day we respected others' I sound like my grandad.
Personally I think a little bit of national service would be a good idea, it would have done me a world of good, I'm sure I wouldnt be a fat little nerd now if I'd had military training. (well I'd still be a little nerd, but I might be one with a better body)
Quote from: merdok;208584(well I'd still be a little nerd, but I might be one with a better body)
I feel the sameway m8.
Id still be the person I am as I have the upbrininging to get through something like that but some ofthe young en's today (now im only 22) would imo be forced to spend 5 or 6 years in some sort of service to get some assemblance of respect