Tonight at de_contra;
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I think it's oob as you can see right towards T-spawn for quit a bit.
Is it allowed or not?
It's a tough one, but you can also see the T spawn from the middle (almost), plus its in the bomb site area so your still not leaving the objective.
Personally I think it would take so long to get up there its not really a big advantage.
Quote from: Jamoe;214333It's a tough one, but you can also see the T spawn from the middle (almost), plus its in the bomb site area so your still not leaving the objective.
Personally I think it would take so long to get up there its not really a big advantage.
Actually, we were sneaking in on the left.
You are correct that they can also see up the middle bit but this one has no cover for T's there (the middle one has).
The sign for CT's is on the wall near there but as you can see far in to T-spawn I think it should be seen as oob but that's just my opinion.
It doesn't take to long to get up there I believe.
that's not oob's Duv.
I've sat there many times...and been killed there more often than not.
the CT jumps on the boxes and squeezes thru the gap for a view of T's approach to B.
always been so iirc.
Not an easy one and I cant remember if it has been discussed before.
I do remember that when playing CT I have tried to get up there a couple of times but it takes a long time and may not be of benefit.
I think that it's OK to get up the boxes as CT but not really fair for them to look around the corner of the wall down towards T spawn.
Quote from: Lee;214337I think that it's OK to get up the boxes as CT but not really fair for them to look around the corner of the wall down towards T spawn.
But we can't start saying that you're allowed to be in a spot but you're not allowed to look in a certain direction.
I have always been under the impression that the git spot was ok....I've been shot from there before, and I've been there myself.
It's not a brilliant spot, but obviously works occasionally (as me and Duv found tonight)
My 2p
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True Blunt you have a good point, i'm sort of sitting on both sides of the fence for this one.
As said, we made a silent aproach there to get ready for a delayed rush untill sudenly I got shot. I was like, where did that come from as I know I couldn't be seen from that bombspot or from the middle area. As the CT could see all the way up to our spawn when sitting there it ment you couldn't go left without being spotted or going middle when being spotted.
How I see it the CT's are more to defend around that bombspot without actually leaving "the box" there. I must say that it's a nice gitspot and it worked for the CT's several times there.
It was me that was sitting there and shot Duv..
With few jumps your on the boxes and doesn't take that long too get on.
I thought it wasn't oob.
Michel, you know I didn't want to add names.
Just wanted to ask if looking/shooting there towards T-spawn would be allowed or not. :flirty:
Otherwise T's don't have alot of options to move without being spotted for a delayed rush.
That spot has always been seen as OK. CT's in that position are usually easy to take out for the attacking T's (if they know to look). Just make sure you don't fall over the far side, as then you are definitely too far.
If you stick your head too far out you sure will be shot indeed,maybe you can get one T but thats it.
If T running your way the sure will spot you sitting there.
@Pete i know m8 bout the name..
*Note to self then;
No more delayed rushes on the left, shortly afk while opening a bottle of Grolsch. You can get shot from up there...
Tbh it was a long time ago since I have seen a CT up there but I know that Ts regularly use it. My view on this is that it should be oob. The only reason to be up there is to get a view down towards T spawn and get some cheap kills.
I think that a good guideline is "are you unsure, don't use it".
My five,
Quote from: Whitey;214356That spot has always been seen as OK. CT's in that position are usually easy to take out for the attacking T's (if they know to look). Just make sure you don't fall over the far side, as then you are definitely too far.
I think it's already been passed as OK.
I can't comment as tbh I can't even think where it is on the map :doh:
PEN
Quote from: Dr Sadako;214391Tbh it was a long time ago since I have seen a CT up there but I know that Ts regularly use it. My view on this is that it should be oob. The only reason to be up there is to get a view down towards T spawn and get some cheap kills.
I think that a good guideline is "are you unsure, don't use it".
My five,
You dont have too peak around the corner,you also can sit and wait till T comes into the bombspot..:flirty:
I've never used it to look down to T spawn, I tend to use the route to get up onto the top ledge and defend the site from up high (no time to do it if it's a rush though). It would be hard to restrict the use in this way though. I'll have another look at it, now that it's been raised.
Quote from: KKND;214393You dont have too peak around the corner,you also can sit and wait till T comes into the bombspot..:flirty:
So you mean we should put a no entry sign at one third down the boxes then from CT side? I think this is a question of yes or no, otherwise it will be a pain to admin.
Quote from: Dr Sadako;214410So you mean we should put a no entry sign at one third down the boxes then from CT side? I think this is a question of yes or no, otherwise it will be a pain to admin.
Well if you look it that way then it's not allowed too sit on the 2e box, but you can on the first.
So you can put no entry sign there.(second box).
That was what i mean.
Keep it nice guys.
I was just asking.
What KKND means is that there is a nice ledge where you can sit aswell without being able to look towards T-spawn.
@Pen,
Leftside bombspot of T-spawn. The entry towards the bombspot there. (Entry water left, normal route with some blocks inbetween (the spot) and on the right a small entrance which can be coverd by the guy defending middle).
Just to be crystal clear on what I am meaning. Green box is ok. Red is not ok. Note that I jumped to this position without any bunkups.
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I've had a look at it and as DuVel points out, you can see right into the T spawn area. I have placed a no-entry sign on the top of the second box up. This will allow CT's to sit on the first box but not allow them to jump up on the second box and look down to T spawn.
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Quote from: DuVeL;214362*Note to self then;
No more delayed rushes on the left, shortly afk while opening a bottle of Grolsch. You can get shot from up there...
i was shot too from that spot, while i was way way back, (my sis is bugging me alot with her homework lately, but not tonight so hope it will be a full night again like yesterday)
personally i think its a bit to much advantage if T don't rush, and as alot of advantages are oob, maybe this should be one too.
edit: Good idea restricting the 2nd and 3rd box :), now wait to see if people really spot it :)
One of the best spots onthat map is still jut underneath the sign on groundlevel. They allways forget to check it...
Having played again on this map last night I can see what the issue is.
Didn't stop me from dying every round but then hey ho.
PEN
Quote from: Lee;214346True Blunt you have a good point, i'm sort of sitting on both sides of the fence for this one.
Auch. That has got to hurt :bleh:
I would say the spot is valid. And only has the advantage of surprise, other than that it is inferior - imho.
Its used so little its not really a big lose as CT but making an extra option open for T makes the game fun for both sides.
All sorted, lets play :)