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Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Bastet on December 21, 2007, 08:30:41 PM
Right so if i start a game, my computer goes into a blue screen which flashes for a sec before rebooting, i cant read it.
Once windows reboots i get a critcal error recovery window:
BCCode : 1000000a BCP1 : 00000016 BCP2 : 0000001C BCP3 : 00000000
BCP4 : 80502392 OSVer : 5_1_2600 SP : 2_0 Product : 768_1
 
The computer worked fine when i turned it off last nite, no changes where made during uptime.
 
Anyone care to try and shed some light on stuff? If you need further info please let me know what you require, and where i can find it.
 
Cheers
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: delanvital on December 21, 2007, 09:34:10 PM
Games tend to strain the system more than basic use. Check for dust that blocks fans, meaning system gets to hot (cpu, gfx). Try and run with case open.
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Bastet on December 21, 2007, 09:48:42 PM
Vidcard is less then 3 weeks old, and i had it in for service on the other blocks at the same time. I doubt it is dust on 3 week old coolers
 
Edit: to clarify, the system goes to blue screen right at the start when loading up a game (5 sec from starting), when googling i found this might have something to do with vid card drivers, updated mine to the new Nvidea ones did not solve the problem.
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2007, 10:31:48 PM
Quote from: Bastet;216219Vidcard is less then 3 weeks old, and i had it in for service on the other blocks at the same time. I doubt it is dust on 3 week old coolers
 
Edit: to clarify, the system goes to blue screen right at the start when loading up a game (5 sec from starting), when googling i found this might have something to do with vid card drivers, updated mine to the new Nvidea ones did not solve the problem.


have you tried installing old drivers?
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Bastet on December 21, 2007, 10:51:33 PM
Ill go back to previous forceware and see if it helps. I am actualy convinced its in the GPU corner of the machine, anything other then basic surfin or such will crash my PC (fe, imbedded movies, movies on WMP).
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: delanvital on December 21, 2007, 11:15:11 PM
Quote from: Bastet;216224Ill go back to previous forceware and see if it helps. I am actualy convinced its in the GPU corner of the machine, anything other then basic surfin or such will crash my PC (fe, imbedded movies, movies on WMP).


Any chance to test with other gfx?
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: DuVeL on December 21, 2007, 11:26:45 PM
Have a look in my thread;http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=21724
 
Especially the one about driverscrub.
Another suggestion; Turn off comp, take out memory and gcard and so and replace it (make sure it's mounted properly).
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Aquilifer on December 21, 2007, 11:29:38 PM
Have you updated Windows files? Maybe Windows has fooled itself out of order (hopefully not beyond any repair).

Try to go back to previous restore point if you have them. If that works it is certainly a SW issue. For example in gfx card drivers or DX.

And why those movies crash on WMP etc...I remember many players have option to use HW draw on them which increases performance. In Winamp it was called "hardware video overlay" or something like that. So I would say it is related to gfx card (HW or SW).
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Bastet on December 22, 2007, 09:41:07 AM
Recovery point didnt work, so ill try reseating and testing memsticks/card now. Off to find a screwdriver
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Bastet on December 22, 2007, 10:34:50 AM
I tried:
Reseating all cards and memsticks,
Diff vid card,
Ram sticks in other slots,
Single stick in either slot,
Other single stick in either slot.
 
Looks like ill be needing to format :sideways:
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Bastet on December 22, 2007, 11:03:31 AM
Found it, the problem was in the soundcard, which is odd cause i could listen to mp3 music, but not movies. off to try and correct it now :D
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Bastet on December 22, 2007, 05:42:26 PM
I give up,
I tried everything listed in the tread, and the problem wasnt in the drivers (deinstalled, and used driverscrub), the seats, the places of diff cards or anything else i can think off. I have shoveld the cards arround.
 
Thanks to a tip from Oth i can now give a more acurate error, its in the IRQL appointing of the drivers of probably the sound and vid cards, making them clash and crashing windows.
 
Any bright ideas anyone? Will a format solve my problem?
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: delanvital on December 22, 2007, 07:38:50 PM
First of all, take out all cards you can spare (sound, some net perhaps) and see if the pc will run games.

- If that works okay then start inserting cards one by one.

- If that fails as well, it is not with your add-on cards. Then I would try and isolate a bad memory stick, try and run with one at a time and fire up games. If it still fails I will still say test with another gfx card
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: delanvital on December 22, 2007, 07:42:48 PM
Alternatively, try and flush the ESCD string in bios - and generally resetting the bios in general is a thing to be sure you've tried.
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Bastet on December 22, 2007, 07:49:48 PM
Quote from: delanvital;216288First of all, take out all cards you can spare (sound, some net perhaps) and see if the pc will run games.
 
- If that works okay then start inserting cards one by one.
 
- If that fails as well, it is not with your add-on cards. Then I would try and isolate a bad memory stick, try and run with one at a time and fire up games. If it still fails I will still say test with another gfx card

Done all that, single cards work, vid and lan or sound and lan works, but all 3 at once give a IRQL BS. Its not in the memsticks, another gfx card does not solve the problem.
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: delanvital on December 22, 2007, 08:36:19 PM
Quote from: Bastet;216291Done all that, single cards work, vid and lan or sound and lan works, but all 3 at once give a IRQL BS. Its not in the memsticks, another gfx card does not solve the problem.

The clear ESCD!

If that fails, try reset bios on mobo
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: JonnyAppleSeed on December 22, 2007, 09:00:12 PM
Looking at the posts it seems close to a problem I had with my power supply failing. Random BSOD when under any sort of load.
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Bastet on December 22, 2007, 09:10:21 PM
Quote from: delanvital;216292The clear ESCD!
 
If that fails, try reset bios on mobo

Mobo dont have an option to clear it, ill try a reset.
 
JAS, PSU is still working.
 
If this dont work ill do a format, or just buy a new computer, which i need to do anyway :flirty:
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Gorion on December 23, 2007, 02:53:38 AM
if its a hardware problem formatting wont help..
 
to stop it from rebooting, right click on my computer, properties, advanced, settings under the "startup and recovery part" and turn off auto restart
 
and pray that the error aint nv4_disp.dll
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: kregoron on December 23, 2007, 10:09:38 AM
Ive had this issue before..

as bassy said he cant clear the ESCD in BIOS as the older Intel boards do not have this option, the mobo should clear the errors itself, but its a Intel board, with which this particular series is immensely limited in the BIOS options.

A bios reset might do the trick, but so could a format of windows. My guess is  that the IRQ table got bonkered somehow (happens at times) and as Windows dont reaquire a new IRQ table each boot, windows is now getting ****ed up by a error in the table and BSOD's every time each tries to access a certain piece of hardware, my guess is the soundcard, cause it is located in the furthest slot away from the NB (which shares IRQ with something else)

tho a slot swap wont help as wincrap is getting BSOD each time it tries to access the slot it remembers and thereafter restores the table from a previous time, which is prolly bonkered too.


My suggestion, do a BIOS reset (i got your manual bassy so pm me on msn and ill send it) thereafter do a reinstall and you should be fine again.
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Aquilifer on December 23, 2007, 10:19:03 AM
Quote from: Bastet;216291Done all that, single cards work, vid and lan or sound and lan works, but all 3 at once give a IRQL BS. Its not in the memsticks, another gfx card does not solve the problem.

If it is indeed IRQ conflict, you could try change the PCI slot where the souncard is (and even if it isn't IRQ thing). If that doesn't help see is there is something about IRQs in th BIOS. I recall in the old days (win98?) there were sometimes issues with the Plug-n-Play(Pray?) systems and it was sometimes fixed by disabling PnP in BIOS and manually play with the settings. Don't know if that works in XP anymore. If you haven't made any driver or HW changes it is bit funny that it suddendly stopped working. Of course the Windows updates might have done something to mess it.
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: kregoron on December 23, 2007, 01:08:58 PM
Sometimes windows corrupts data, which is what might have happened..
The problem is, his motherboard doesnt really allow to change much of anything in the aspect of IRQ's, as it has a some automated error correctiong system, so Intel didnt think users should be able to do stuff like that themselves, eventho we all know, Selfdone is welldone ;P
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: Bastet on December 23, 2007, 01:42:58 PM
Formatted today, and thank god thats the last of my problems. Have also made a proper ghost now thanks to Kreg, so all sorted now :)
Thanks for all the sujestions and help guys :)
Title: BSOD on all games
Post by: kregoron on December 23, 2007, 03:25:19 PM
Your welcome m8 ;)