Looks like iRacing finally set a price on their new sim.
http://www.iracing.com/news.htm
Even though it seems expensive, I think that many hardcore simmers would pay that much just to get away from the plonkers (kids).
Hey, some of us plonkers aren't kids!
Frankly I'm less than excited about the range of cars and tracks. LFS lives!
The principal of a monthly subscription doesn't do much for me either. Meh!
Quote from: vobler;220003Looks like iRacing finally set a price on their new sim.
http://www.iracing.com/news.htm
Even though it seems expensive, I think that many hardcore simmers would pay that much just to get away from the plonkers (kids).
Sounds very good. I would not mind LFS having similar kind of subsciption model, if they provided some extra services to those who subscribe.
It's hard to beat LFS in user friendliness, let's see what iRacing can give simulation wise, and especially what tracks and cars are provided.
Quote from: BigFatCat;220004Hey, some of us plonkers aren't kids!
I know. Thats why I added kids.
@Doorman
True, LFS Lives, but if this thing gets good reviews by people I trust, I will try it. As simple as that.
Millions of people play WOW at similar monthly fees. I already pay for two of these accounts (my kids). I will do the same for a superb sim.
That looks nice. No idea about the physics model. That would need testing, but... I really really hate the pay for each month system. I will never touch the game with that system. Those greedy a** h***s. You don't need university level degree in maths to see how fast it gets insanely expensive (as a game) :angry:
"A one-year subscription to the service will cost $13 per month" :thumbsdown:
I have been licensed LFS user for nearly 2 years. For 2 years I would have been paying over 300$ for that rate. I really don't see a reason paying those sums as long as LFS works well with one time fee. Normally a decent game I buy costs around 50€ max and I play it maybe 2 years min. No way in hell I would ever pay 300$ for a game.
Quote from: Doorman;220012Frankly I'm less than excited about the range of cars and tracks. LFS lives!
:withstupid:
Quote from: Aquilifer;220037You don't need university level degree in maths to see how fast it gets insanely expensive (as a game) :angry:
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No way in hell I would ever pay 300$ for a game.
Lets see it from another point of view. Something like that is more like a hobby than a game. People (in my world anyway) use big money on hobbys or equipment they seldom use. Motorbikes, diving equipment, boats, cars etc. Recently I got a new pair of skis. Cheap carving style skis with boots, poles etc. That cost me abt £450 in one time investment. To use it I need to pay £ 20 each day in lift fees. Then I need to pay £ 20 in ferry fees to take me to the mountains and fuel for the car 2 hours driving.
If I rent a cottage or hotel and stay two nights it will cost £ 200 a weekend.
If I go to the mountains 10 days a year it will be £400 just in cash. Even more if you count the car.
A sim I would use hundreds of hours per year so $13 a month is nothing if it is as good as it should be.
Time will tell.
Good points Verner. I don't mind paying for my hobby, if it would support it's developement.
Yes, you can think it as a hobby. You bought those skiis with one time payment and they tend to be expensive. I don't think I would compare a game price to say...a car price if cars where my hobby. I think they are in different class.
But it's true that people pay large sums to hobbies and not saying that you couldn't afford that sum. It's just mad to pay that sum IMHO, when you can get same with LOT less and paying only once. It feels the inflation has been bad if I have to pay so much for a game. LFS devs continue the development by getting more licensed players, not by pulling money from the old customers constantly. (well ok I have to pay some extra when the S3 comes out, but that is only once).
It's true we've been spoilt as an internet gaming community as a whole. We've been brought up on the principal of 'buy the game, play it online as long as you like' But WoW has demonstrated how money can be bled from peoples pockets ad infinitum. It's how it's going to be, as long as people accept it. There may be millions of people playing WoW but there won't be so many simmers. How would it be if the sim racing community refused to pay, don't forget, you'll have to buy the game as well! Would they just say 'oh well, that didn't work' and ditch it? Maybe iRacing will be so 'niche market' that it'll pay. Just have to wait and see I guess.
Cars are still crap though. :)
Quote from: Aquilifer;220071It's just mad to pay that sum IMHO, when you can get same with LOT less and paying only once.
You are jumping to conclusions again Aquilifer. Who says it is the same?
Quote from: vobler;220081You are jumping to conclusions again Aquilifer. Who says it is the same?
Racing game...online racing game...any bells ringing? :g:
Ok, let me rephrase. It has to be hell lot better than LFS for example that I (or many others) would consider playing it. Actually many people in LFS forum (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=37853) seem to think the same way.
But, it's just my opinion the licensing system sucks big time. I will never buy it unless those blood suckers sell it the normal way giving free online play. You are
again free to think differently. :rolleyes:
:)
My reasoning goes like this.
Having a child, not an easy wife (anybody?), a dog and then unfortunately some offline friends theres not so much time for me to get immersed into something alone. Then if there is something so good that I want to spend my time with it I will not care too much what it costs, if I just have enough to pay for it. 10€ per month for a good hobby would go unnoticed for most of us.
Well I have to say that I'm with those opposed to having to cough up regularly. It just goes against the grain.
The only way a subscription based system might work for me would to pay as to go, a small fee, 5p say to play online per session. I know that this could, for the heavy user end up being more expensive that a fixed monthly value, but at least then I would feel I had value for money.
The monthly fee's are always set at to high a value. How much is WOW a month £9 or so. Bugger off, £2 max. Its not that I can't afford the regular installments, I just balc at a game costing me a £100 a year to play.
It would have to be the best sim ever made, and by a considerable margin, with some major added value like a Force Dynamics 401 to play it on.
It all depends what they do to justify a monthly charge. WOW was/is a bargain, the provide massive servers, which they have to maintain, Game admins 24/7 to sort out any problems players may have and they are always working on new content. What are these guys going to do for there 10'er a month.
The thing is, it's not just the monthly subscription but paying extra for each car and track.
I've been down this route with Flight Sim (Payware planes and scenery)minus the monthly subs, and before you know it you've spent many hundreds of pounds.
You buy the planes to try them but end up not flying 90% of them more than a few times. The same will happen with the cars in iRacing.
Don't get me wrong, i love the idea of the most hardcore sim, but it's going to have to be incredible for me to think of parting with that sort of cash. Especially now money is really tight.
Quote from: The Moose;220128The thing is, it's not just the monthly subscription but paying extra for each car and track.
I've been down this route with Flight Sim (Payware planes and scenery)minus the monthly subs, and before you know it you've spent many hundreds of pounds.
You buy the planes to try them but end up not flying 90% of them more than a few times. The same will happen with the cars in iRacing.
That sounds like a very propable path if starting with iRacing.
Anyone else got invited?
i think 13 dollars a month (min) is way to much, i know that yes you get hours of play value and they do need huge servers but with non subscription games like LFS it's even harder to justify, it will have to be a really special game for that sort of monthly fee!!:g:
Quote from: vobler;235465Anyone else got invited?
Invited? Do you have to be invited!? Is it some sort of an elitist private club? :sideways:
Quote from: Aquilifer;235506Invited? Do you have to be invited!? Is it some sort of an elitist private club? :sideways:
To get in now you have to be invited. I was lucky to know someone who knows a beta tester. :-)
After the summer it will be open for all.
I haven't tried much yet though.
Keep us informed Verner. :thumb:
Quote from: vobler;235510To get in now you have to be invited. I was lucky to know someone who knows a beta tester. :-)
After the summer it will be open for all.
Oh yeah, makes sense then. I forgot it was still in beta. So remember to tell us then if it sucks or blows :)
Quote from: Armitage;220124It all depends what they do to justify a monthly charge. WOW was/is a bargain, the provide massive servers, which they have to maintain, Game admins 24/7 to sort out any problems players may have and they are always working on new content. What are these guys going to do for there 10'er a month.
Aye. When I first stated playing it WoW actually *saved* me money! How? Well your average FPS that I used to play most often cost me £30 in the shops, and I used to buy at least 1, often 2, per month. In those months where not may had come out i'd scrounge through bargain bins for RPGs or RTSes i'd missed, but I always ended up spending at least £30/month on games, often more. When I bought WoW it occupied all my gaming time, thus I didn't buy any other games, so the £7/month (when you pay in a batch like I do) effectively saved me at least £23 every month that I would have spent on other games. That went on for a good year or so, then I started playing WoW less and shifted to playing other games as well, but knowing I have WoW always there to pick up when I want I now wait for games to come down in price instead of getting them on day of release, and am more selective about what I buy, so I certainly don't think i'm any *worse* off than I was before.
But yeah, with their subscription model i'd be asking a lot of questions. Are they going to provide the servers for you to race on? Are you going to be able to customize the servers how *you* want if they provide them? Will they provide admins so you can get on with racing and not have to worry about cheaters? etc etc. As Armitage said, it's about what you get for your £10/month from a maintenance point of view, not just to play.
Just read this
The goal of the iRacing.com experience is simple: to make each lap driven in simulation as valid as a lap driven on the real-world race circuit.
To achieve this exceptionally high level of realism, iRacing.com uses its pioneering, proprietary application of three-dimensional laser scanning technology to create two key features.
The first is a series of highly detailed sight-pictures. These images, like frames in a movie filmed from an in-car camera, are driver's-eye views that allow iRacing.com drivers to see specific points of a lap: braking points, turn-in points, or the apex of a corner, for example.
iRacing.com's sight-pictures are the most accurate and complete ever offered in a racing simulation. You see exactly where you are on the racetrack at any given millisecond, receiving the instantaneous, granular visual input racers require to refine their performance lap after lap.
In addition to its sight-picture visuals, iRacing.com replicates the precise physical features of each track's racing surface. Our laser scanning technology produces a mathematical 'bump map' of the track's camber, cracks, undulations, and patches - recording every millimeter of the surface. A series of "point clouds" capture the three-dimensional profile of the track surface and adjacent curbing.
Combine this mathematically-precise surface mapping with iRacing.com's hyper-accurate sight-pictures, and you have a powerful tool that allows even drivers at the highest levels of professional motorsport to use their virtual seat time to hone their skills and improve their real-world performance.
http://www.iracing.com/technology/track.php?lc=1
Please keep us informed! :)
Quote from: Aquilifer;235506Invited? Do you have to be invited!? Is it some sort of an elitist private club? :sideways:
Take no notice of him, he's a communist. :D
Quote from: Doorman;235770Take no notice of him, he's a communist. :D
What an insult! :taz:
I just want to remind people of the cost of iRacing.
There was just some talk about this in the iRacing forums.
Every time you get a years subscription you get back $60 in iRacing credit. You are free to use it on cars, tracks or even extending the subscription further.
You pay $156 for the full year, but you get back $60 in credit so that makes the total cost $96 dollars. Or $8 a month. (about the price I pay for a beer ... )
A superb deal! :yahoo:
I read an interesting discussion on the member forums about the pricing structure. Someone suggested that they changed it so that you'd pay for entering a season rather than paying for each car/track. So if you wanted to do the Mazda for a season you'd pay x $$ for a package containing the car and all the tracks you need. The tracks would then only be available to use with this particular car.
What do you think of that idea? I definitely see some strong points. From what I've read it seems that a lot of racers have to skip some races (particularly in the higher series) because they don't own all the tracks that are used. This problem would be eliminated. Furthermore it would be easier for the iRacing staff to change the track rotation from one season to the next because they would no longer be "tied down" to some tracks. (Like, Skip Barber on Infineon and VIR)
The downside of course is that you wouldn't be able to play these tracks with other cars. But apart from that I think it sounds like a good idea.
Thoughts?
Quote from: Gnomie;260611Someone suggested that they changed it so that you'd pay for entering a season rather than paying for each car/track. So if you wanted to do the Mazda for a season you'd pay x $$ for a package containing the car and all the tracks you need. The tracks would then only be available to use with this particular car.
Thoughts?
That could work. Not that I think it would be cheaper in the long run for the driver. But iRacing could get the same amount of money.
I probably would want to own the tracks and cars so for example I can get the Riley now, drive it on and off and learn it fairly well before the next season.
Make a suggestion about it in the feedback forum.
Yes, I think it should also be possible to buy cars/tracks in the same way as today. Then maybe you could get a discount for participating in a season..? I think this could actually work quite well. The main point of doing it that way is that it would (hopefully) make people more inclined to trying new cars and participating in more than one season at a time. It might help distribute the population of racers more towards the higher licence cars.
Quote from: vobler;260608I just want to remind people of the cost of iRacing.
There was just some talk about this in the iRacing forums.
Every time you get a years subscription you get back $60 in iRacing credit. You are free to use it on cars, tracks or even extending the subscription further.
You pay $156 for the full year, but you get back $60 in credit so that makes the total cost $96 dollars. Or $8 a month. (about the price I pay for a beer ... )
A superb deal! :yahoo:
Sorry but this is misleading the real price for iracer is
Add $156 for the subscription to that and it comes to:
$301 for road race content,
$296 for oval content, and
$436 for all content.
and that does not include any new content that gets released!:thumbsdown:
DAMN! thats one expensive game.
worth it if you only play iracer i guess:g:
Quote from: spudgun55;261715Sorry but this is misleading the real price for iracer is
Add $156 for the subscription to that and it comes to:
$301 for road race content,
$296 for oval content, and
$436 for all content.
I'm not going to argue that it might seem expensive. But your numbers are misleading too. All content is yours for life *including* all new releases and patches of that content.
Buy 6 items at a time and get 20% off.
Buy iRacing for two years and get $120 to use against the $301 you get 20% off and all road content is yours for $120. After that you pay $8 a month.
As you see there are many ways to calculate this.
But I agree it is a lot of money for a game. But it isn't a game is it.... :D
Quote from: vobler;261727But your numbers are misleading too. All content is yours for life *including*
Only for the life of your subscription. :sideways:
Quote from: Doorman;261732Only for the life of your subscription. :sideways:
Yes you mean only as long as you have a valid subscription?
But if you let your subscription go out at some point, it will all be there when you return. You will not have to purchase it all again.... :doh:
Quote from: vobler;261733Yes you mean only as long as you have a valid subscription?
But if you let your subscription go out at some point, it will all be there when you return. You will not have to purchase it all again.... :doh:
But you still have to pay $96 dollars for the years sub every year:doh:
My biggest disapointment is i thought that after the latest updates i would give it another go, i was ready the last time i played to start racing the skips, which had me reaching for the new sub for a month, but to my dismay i have to purchase 3 new tracks at $25 a go!!! to race in the skip series:crying:.
Quote from: vobler;261733Yes you mean only as long as you have a valid subscription?
But if you let your subscription go out at some point, it will all be there when you return. You will not have to purchase it all again.... :doh:
Never mind :doh:. You have not got this stuff for life unless you keep paying!
When my subscription runs out I won't be able to use it in single play will I? So this 'you've got it for life' stuff is a red herring. All the other games I have on my HDD I've got for life. And yes, they are games. No matter how seriously you/I/we take them they
are games.
Quote from: Doorman;261742When my subscription runs out I won't be able to use it in single play will I? So this 'you've got it for life' stuff is a red herring. All the other games I have on my HDD I've got for life.
It's like many other things in your life. You have your dish and TV but can't watch TV unless you pay. You have your phone, but can't call anyone unless you pay. Same with internet. You have your modem/router but can't use it unless you pay. I could go on. I really can't understand what the fuss is about.
Quote from: Doorman;261742And yes, they are games. No matter how seriously you/I/we take them they are games.
I think I did not make it clear and you mis understood me. I meant iRacing is a *service*. Not a game on a CD.
:D No comments, just a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59NNupminV8
Quote from: vobler;261831It's like many other things in your life. You have your dish and TV but can't watch TV unless you pay. You have your phone, but can't call anyone unless you pay. Same with internet. You have your modem/router but can't use it unless you pay. I could go on. I really can't understand what the fuss is about.
I think I did not make it clear and you mis understood me. I meant iRacing is a *service*. Not a game on a CD.
the difference is that sky tv is market leader, iracing is way behind, gtr2,rfactor,and lfs for viewers:roflmao: