So, gents to kick this into life.
We have the givens
CS - Ongoing and a 2.vs.2 or team event or both
BF2 - slotted times for a big group fight
LFS
Then the wants and periphery games;
CoD4
Some BIG RTS ;) (C&C etc?)
Soldat for me
I know we have a while but I figure we need to;
Pick our games, pick our tourneys, then work out the timings so that we can reasonably expect good turnouts. On the plus side there are no live premiership games (http://www.skysports.com/calendar/football/0,,11065_25_1_2008-04-12_2008-04-12_day,00.html) on that weekend, so no mass exodus at 12. That said Man U v. the Arse would be a tempter if the Fenlanders have figured out how to screen 3pm kickoffs.
So.....shall we kick off with games, then we can get into a chat about which are of value / popular enough, then iron out the basics / maps / tracks etc.
Quote from: Benny;221100So, gents to kick this into life.
We have the givens
CS - Ongoing and a 2.vs.2 or team event or both
BF2 - slotted times for a big group fight
LFS
Then the wants and periphery games;
CoD4
Some BIG RTS ;) (C&C etc?)
Soldat for me
I know we have a while but I figure we need to;
Pick our games, pick our tourneys, then work out the timings so that we can reasonably expect good turnouts. On the plus side there are no live premiership games (http://www.skysports.com/calendar/football/0,,11065_25_1_2008-04-12_2008-04-12_day,00.html) on that weekend, so no mass exodus at 12. That said Man U v. the Arse would be a tempter if the Fenlanders have figured out how to screen 3pm kickoffs.
So.....shall we kick off with games, then we can get into a chat about which are of value / popular enough, then iron out the basics / maps / tracks etc.
Thanks Benny - We *do* need to keep on top of this as things do creep up otherwise.
Agree with the comps:
CS - 5vs5 (or whatever - depending on nos). and 2v2 Deagle comp
BF2 - Big group game is definitely in order on Sat PM
LFS - We don't need to formalise this one. Oldie has suggested leaving it ad hoc and running it at some time over the weekend.
Quote from: OBA race can be organised and ran with very little time needed i.e. five minutes qualifying followed by a 15 minute race - 30 minutes top (ten minutes to prise people out of the bar).
Leave it ad-hoc for now and I'm sure we'll manage to fit something in during the weekend.
The BIG fellas are bringing a server with BF2 and other games, I'll try and find out what they're proposing to play.
PEN
Anyone seen the paintball mod for UT? Might be an alternative or extra. It's a free job, I'm happy to burn the CD's. (UT is also free, it's featured in this months PCG)
Nope, not seen it.
Could be a fun diversion so long as we're not fragmenting too much.
so then, timetable.
Friday - no scheduled comps
Saturday - comps normally run from 12pm through to 6pm
How about:
12-2pm - CS:S 5vs5
2.30pm - 4.30pm mass BF2
5pm - 6.30pm 2vs2 Deagle comp (and other games for non-participants etc).
Sat Night - other games scheduled on popularity such
1. Soldat
2. COD 4
etc
These are scheduled on numbers of people wanting to play them?
Thoughts ?
PEN
Friday : Nothing Scheduled, but Soldat is good to drop in and out of, easy install and no machine requirements. (Plus it's rewarding when you're pished)
Saturday: If it were up to me I'd start the comps earlier and break for lunch, so maybe 5v5 from 11:00? Is it worth league tabling? From memory 6 -8 teams, I can find some league software, everyone plays each other twice organised by the teams, or probably better is the cup format, play eachother once, winners go through to knockout draw. Server slots on a white board, if you don't play your teams games by Saturday midnight you forfeit those games?
Then people can fit their races, RTS's etc around it......though as per every year it would be good to project the final on a wall...
Sorry, for ramble, boss reading over my shoulder.
I am sorry that I haven't participated in this section much. I have much on my mind at the moment with my wife not feeling well. I can try and get hold of the games required but I am not sure how much I can commit to sorting things just now. I will try my best but I can't really promise anything.
NP Mats, I know things are rough for you atm :sad:
Don't worry, we can sort it out and then you can just get the glory on the day :lmfao:
PEN
Quote from: Benny;222809Friday : Nothing Scheduled, but Soldat is good to drop in and out of, easy install and no machine requirements. (Plus it's rewarding when you're pished)
Saturday: If it were up to me I'd start the comps earlier and break for lunch, so maybe 5v5 from 11:00? Is it worth league tabling? From memory 6 -8 teams, I can find some league software, everyone plays each other twice organised by the teams, or probably better is the cup format, play eachother once, winners go through to knockout draw. Server slots on a white board, if you don't play your teams games by Saturday midnight you forfeit those games?
Then people can fit their races, RTS's etc around it......though as per every year it would be good to project the final on a wall...
Sorry, for ramble, boss reading over my shoulder.
Agree with Friday
Agree with starting at 11am providing the lazy sods get out of bed :)
Cup format would be better - otherwise there's too many games imo (plus it's what people expect). However I would run the matches concurrently (two servers) and not give people the chance to slope off otherwise it won't happen. We can have a break between rounds but not hours preferably.
so I think that's all fine.
Anyone wanna draft the schedule / post? (Otherwise I'll do it)
PEN
knock out tourneys have worked well over the last couple of lans.
it meens that the tourneys progress nicley and people dont get bored
Quote from: Penfold;222822Agree with Friday
Agree with starting at 11am providing the lazy sods get out of bed :)
Cup format would be better - otherwise there's too many games imo (plus it's what people expect). However I would run the matches concurrently (two servers) and not give people the chance to slope off otherwise it won't happen. We can have a break between rounds but not hours preferably.
so I think that's all fine.
Anyone wanna draft the schedule / post? (Otherwise I'll do it)
PEN
Sounds good here. Current list is 35. So 7 teams of 5?
A-G
a b c d e f g
a x x
b 11:00 x
c 11:20 11:00 x
d 11:40 11:20 11:00 x
e 12:00 11:40 11:20 11:00 x
f 12:20 12:00 11:40 11:20 11:00 x
g 12:40 12:20 12:00 11:40 11:20 11:00 x
1pt for a win
Top 2 play each other in final
Bottom 2 play for bragging rights. Losing team has to get the drinks in for the winning team.
League'ish I know....think that works (edit apart from needing 6 servers.....I'll change it, was trying to be keen and help. Give it a day, it'll wear off)
Cup format coming....
1 Pt for a win. Top 2 teams play off.
Bottom 2 teams play off, loser buys the drinks for the winning team
I'm not sure that isn't too many games really.
I would rather have larger teams and less games then vice versa really if possible.
We usually just have a straight knockout which equates to 3 or 4 games. This way there could well be a dozen? I'm not sure we can hold their interest for that long.
What do you think?
Am inclined to agree. I was living outside the box and thinking blue sky to make sure we were singing from the same hymn sheet. That said....
35 people. 7 teams of 5.
1. 1 plays 2
2. 3 plays 4
3. 5 plays 6
4. 7 watches (unless we can fill it)
1.2 Winners 3.4 Winners
1.2 Losers 3.4 Losers
(1.2w)(3.4w) Winners
(1.2l)(3.4l) Winners
Then I reckon you should mess it up by saying (as a surprise) overall winners vs. overall losers in a winner takes all battle.
perfick
I do like the twist at the end :norty:
and what's this "you" business? It's your idea ergo your baby - haha that'll teach you to join in :P
Seriously though by Saturday I'm normally deluged in accounting and getting the fees in so Sheep normally does it ... and Mats is also around so if we can do it collectively ...........
PEN
And while we're here, let's sort the maps out. 5v5, unfortunately museum is too big for that imho, but I think the heats should be on roadhouse.
had another idea on the winners. Let's take all the winning teams vs all the losing teams in a big map face off.
I think Museum would be OK really, it's such a popular map atm it would be a shame not to capitalise on it (Although I guess it will be playe4d quite extensively outside of the comps). I agree on Roadhouse as well - and the usual box deagle map unless someone has something better?
Either way I suggest Mats gets involved in this part of the discussion as it's his baby and I'll defer to you guys whatever you decide.
PEN
Roadhouse and museum are both big maps. Playing 5v5 on them could be a bit of struggle. Imho I think museum would probably be easier for CT to defend. However, we have played matches on Roadhouse with 5v5 and it has worked.
Another option would be to play on de_supply that we have in our rotation atm. It has many options and look good as well.
The winners vs all other teams are a very interesting idea and I have a map for it! http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/19140
For the 2v2 we could try this pack:
http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/30011
I think this map could be quite fun to try as well.
http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/20620
You could also do a similar take on the 2v2 tournament that place 1+2 form one team and then play against place 3-6(8) i.e. 4 players vs 8 (12) players.
All look pretty good to me .
I do like the idea of having new maps for the comps which levels the playing fields a bit.
Why not try wanda as the main comp map. Would that work?
I like Deaglemap 2 the best - the outside one.
Poolday would be fun for a bit of Friday night (****ed up actions).
PEN
OK, so let's get a few stakes in here then.
Friday
No fixed competitions, but encourage 'drop-in' games:
Soldat, xxx, xxx
Saturday
CS competitions
Cup Matches : 11:30 Onwards, Final at 1:00 7/8 teams, standard knockout. should be around 8 matches to give us a table with the Cup Winners at the top.
MAP: Let's keep looking, but current (roadhouse or supply)
Winners/Losers Cup - Directly after cup or early evening? Top Teams vs Bottom Teams (Need a 32+ player map)
1 MR12 Match for bragging rights.
MAP: Wanda?
Deagle Comp
Sign up on white board, pick you partner and we draw out of a hat to pick matches, you lose, you're out.
BF2 - Server Up and Running all day
Encourage afternoon / evening mass event. Let's get the BIG guys and Lib involved to get some maps, plans sorted.
Sunday
Peel self off carpet and go home.
Other games we need to fit in?
CoD4? Crysis? Others?
Missed the 2vs 2 Deagle
How about mid afternoon sat?
Quote from: Penfold;222926Why not try wanda as the main comp map. Would that work?
Wanda is H U G E. Playing 15 v 15 on that is more like it. I can look around for a new map for the 5 v 5 tournament. I have some maps on my HDD at home that I haven't got around to checking out yet e.g.
http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/30716
Updated with Deagle. Gimme a sticky at the thread begin, then we can discuss in this thread and post to the top sticky as we change it. Plus invite Ranger in here for comment.....
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Friday
No fixed competitions, but encourage 'drop-in' games:
Soldat, xxx, xxx
Saturday
CS competitions
Cup Matches : 11:30 Onwards, Final at 1:00 7/8 teams, standard knockout. should be around 8 matches to give us a table with the Cup Winners at the top.
MAP: Let's keep looking, but current (roadhouse or supply)
Winners/Losers Cup - Directly after cup or early evening? Top Teams vs Bottom Teams (Need a 32+ player map)
1 MR12 Match for bragging rights.
MAP: Wanda?
Deagle Comp
Sign up on white board, pick you partner and we draw out of a hat to pick matches, you lose, you're out. BF2 - Server Up and Running all day
Encourage afternoon / evening mass event. Let's get the BIG guys and Lib involved to get some maps, plans sorted.
Sunday
Peel self off carpet and go home.
Ranger? He's not coming to the LAN AFAIK (Or certainly hasn't signed up AFAIAA).
I can invite Paddy / Dewey though which may be good as they're bringing along the server for BF2
I'll ask BB to add them as well as Lib & Arm as they're both coming.
PEN
Paddy, Dewey, Lib and Arm invited.
PEN
Sorry i missed this thread....been a bit busy and such like. We're not planning anything for Friday? The LAN does begin at 10am technically. I know people will be turning up all day but maybe we could arrange something quick and simple for Friday early evening for those who are about. Getting a structure going from the start might help keep the LAN focused. The only problem I think we had last time was everyone seemed to be off doing their own thing. We could run a few TF2 maps or something Friday night and run larger teams? Nothing too structured.
Just a thought
imo 8 teams (one dummy team)
straight knockout, just a knockout with 8 teams in it will take about 2:30 to run if all goes quickly.
This will be the best way imo
all should be totally rasndomly drawn teams this has worked really well over the last 2 lans and also meens that no on can "rig" teams
Armitage is also keen that we have a 5vs5 BF Comp.
Quote from: ArmitageAs well as the large battles it would be nice to run a 5v5 on the same line as the CS tourney.
Maps are petty standard and we all have our favs, so karkand it is then :)
I think it's doable for Saturday later afternoon.
I'm going to leave the techie stuff about it for others so please chip in.
Smilo,
The issue with Friday is that Friday is usually filled with inanities and people arriving all day. Friday night is out due to Steak Night and socialising in all truth.
I guess we could schedule something for later Friday afternoon though? What would we run (not sure if the BIG fellas are arriving before the evening as before, so it may have to be non-BF2).
So why don't we make Friday night, TF2 night? it's easy to drop in and out, no long campaign needed etc?
Damn. You guys started without me.
BF2. Competition wise 5v5 is a bit painful 8v8 or 12v12 is a better format.
COD4. recent experiments have show 5-8 to be the most tactical/team orientated way of playing.
Timing wise you guys have much more experience. I havent read every thread yet, but Benny's post about just the CSS tourney seemed to take a week. Just an idea, is it possible to allocate a time period and require teams to challenge and play matches during that time, that leaves detailed organisation to them. Everyone will need top know where they are, a simple LAN website might help there. Easy to do.
Any interest in TF2 action? Damn he mentioned TF2
The most promising game on the horizon is Frontlines Fuel of War. I imagine that will be the most ineterest.
Mods and fun stuff for BF2 should include the Pirates mod. Its hard to say what else might be happening.
We'll need a relatively small map for tourney style play, I'm looking over a few I've downloaded to test for AAS compatibility. Possibly a single CP with uncapturable main bases which are out of bounds. Matched with low initial tickets 40 or 50.
Although I've always liked Mashtuur City for its uniform layout and urban warfare, it seems to support nice close fighting without favouring either side. Some good shootouts at the mosque.
Obviously for the large game 64 Karkand is the obvious choice.
It is nice to have bigger teams, but with the number of people attending, to get 6 teams 5v5 seems the right number and we don't get the comms problem if we keep to 1 squad per team.
maps that I think will work for the 5v5 stuff.
Gulf of Oman (16 player)
Road to Jalalabad (32 player)
Mashtuur City (32 player)
Strike at Karkand (32 player)
Strike at Karkand 2 (32 player)
Sharqi Peninsula (32 player)
and Lib is right only 1 choice for the big one Strike at Karkand (64 player)
Hi Guys,
There isn't a comms problem really, we can run Teamspeak and have teams in their own private channel.
Karkand is ok (though with AAS it should be a foregone conclusion ie a win to the defending MEC as you can't even sneak past and take a back flag), but there are other good maps, such as Sharqui, Jallabad, Masshtuur.
I'd highly recommend we use 16 player maps, 32 maps are too large for small teams.
Ok, so do we know that we have enough people on BF2 as a starting point? I know most people do but is it worth risking doing an official tourney for it. I know the same could be said for CS, but tis seems popular every year.
Maybe Ranger has a point with the allocate time and sign up. A white board, stick your name down, tourney starts at x o'clock? Then when we have 13 people we know a 6v6 game is fine. If everyone scribbles down we can knock up a tourney real quick. We need a BF2 driver - I vote a Big person or Arm, to gee everyone up to sign?
We should find out how many people would play a BF2 league, can we run a poll?
Agree with Dewey on 16 player maps, fewer flags, more sneaky.
Rules:
Games last 20 mins - points win. The winning team score is the points difference.
Really we should play the same map twice.
Clays and mines kill friendlies
Friendly fire on 100%
Commander mode enabled
Choice of with or w/o vehicles
So lets say 4 teams
1v2 3v4 x2 is 1 hour
2v3 1v4 x2 is 1 hour
2v4 1v3 x2 is 1 hour
3 hours for a bf2 comp? If its teams of 5 that multiplies.
If we want to do this then one of the main concerns is how many people will play. Then we should decide team size. I dont think we can run more than four teams. Even with four I think we should spread the rounds out so its one hour at a time not a straight three hours.
Considering that a map on BF2 usually takes more time than a map on CSS I would recommend not making too big plans. Using 3+ hours for a BF2 tournament will not work imho. From my previous LAN experiences I think 1-2 hours is what people will commit to.
As suggested take a poll on how many will actually play. Maybe it is more fun to do one or two 12 vs 12 matches instead of 4-6 matches of 6 v 6?
Or why not have a 20 vs 10. Newbies vs experienced?
My five,
Ok so if we wanted to shorten the time.
Just have 4 teams, play each map just once. Coin toss decides who will play on which side a team will play ie USA or Mec and then you play vs x3 opponents -
3 x 20 mins + 10 mins between games = 1hour and 30 mins for a tourney isn't so bad.
Then have a couple of big BF2 games?
I think that would be better.
If we want people to play a big game of BF2 then realistically we have to have a smaller comp.
hour and a half sounds fine to me.
PEN
Could someone of the BF2 guys have a update CD/DVD ready for those who will install the game at the LAN?
-BF2 updates
-mods
-addons
-tools
-maps
Sure and we could also make the files available from the bf2 server
Quote from: Dr Sadako;223021Could someone of the BF2 guys have a update CD/DVD ready for those who will install the game at the LAN?
-BF2 updates
-mods
-addons
-tools
-maps
Quote from: Dewey;223017Ok so if we wanted to shorten the time.
Just have 4 teams, play each map just once. Coin toss decides who will play on which side a team will play ie USA or Mec and then you play vs x3 opponents -
3 x 20 mins + 10 mins between games = 1hour and 30 mins for a tourney isn't so bad.
Then have a couple of big BF2 games?
Yeah sounds good.
Itinerary edited, please confiem all are happy.
Mats, assuming fast download on CS maps.
Dewey, on the server is fine, but we have some PC illiterates, so discs to hand around really help ease things.
Sure no problem Benny - we'll have a few CD's to go round too.
Quote from: Benny;223051Itinerary edited, please confiem all are happy.
Mats, assuming fast download on CS maps.
Dewey, on the server is fine, but we have some PC illiterates, so discs to hand around really help ease things.
Looks good to me.
On the timings..... If we're wrapping up the CS comp by lunchtime I think we should wait at 3pm at least for BF2. (you've got 3pm and 1.30 listed?)
That way we can do the Deagle fun prior to dinner about 5.30pm
Good job soldiers !
PEN
I'm not sure how many LFS'ers are coming, But could we have a LAN weekend combo?
may be a demo set, so we can convert a few more people.
:yahoo:hallelujah:yahoo:
Quote from: Armitage;223103I'm not sure how many LFS'ers are coming, But could we have a LAN weekend combo?
may be a demo set, so we can convert a few more people.
:yahoo:hallelujah:yahoo:
Don't see why not. Something easy for keyboard/mousers to get involved in.
This can be organised and run very quickly so we can leave it ad-hoc for now and slip it in as and when.
Yeah. We did offer to fomally include an LFS race but it was decided that ad-hoc was better.
However, we will add it to the formal list of comps to give people a nudge into bringing their gear.
PEN
I've been looking at some maps for BF2 fun and found some that are interesting. None are really AAS supportable without modification, but look good fun and would probably be better off as open maps without commanders anyway.
Fun/Themed maps, these would still be fun with only a handfull of players and a couple may even be suitable for our tourney as fast small maps if uptake is not as expected.
Tank Master - Two UCB's and a single centre bridge flag, both bases have 6 or 7 MBT's and are situated in woodland. Looks like great tanking fun. May even be good as infantry only as a fast paced map.
Battlesea - Some small islands 2 UCB's and two flags, both teams have 6 jets each, you need to fly sharp circles around the islands to capture them and are totally open to attack from enemy jets. One for us flyboys :D. (UCB's should be marked as attackable)
Heli Attack - Two UCB's and a single centre base with 4 more helipads which may spawn more choppers (couldn't tell as I had AAS activated and it blocked capturing because it didn't recognise the map), each team has 5 attack choppers and the map is huge mountainous islands. One for a fun chopper battle. Another one for us flyboys :D.
Boat wars - About five islands, 2 UCB's and a centre flag. Only boats are available, centre island can be covered from 2 outlaying islands by snipers but are quite open.
Now for the good one,
Oil Platform - Now this one I like the look of, it would make an excellent battle. US Carrier is UCB (it has no defences to stop you spamming the rig with gattling fire), huge Oil rig in centre is MEC owned with 5 or 6 flags dotted around at various levels and a MEC base (which is capturable) at the other side of the map. Both teams have a flying bus and plenty of boats at their main base to get to the platform, obviously MEC can spawn there initially. To make it AAS would make it too confusing and defendable, this is an all out attack map. All flags are in close proximity and so you can defend multpile flags at once, of course this also means that you are visible and distracted most of the time. This one definately requires 2 or 3 squads of 3 or 4 players on each side to be effective.
I'm still reviewing some others that look alright, but these are the ones that stand out at the moment, these are all from a map pack (http://battlefield2.filefront.com/file/X07_MAPPACK_LAN;67327), some of which don't work at all. So I'm going through them and judging how good they would be for fast, furious and fun battles and I'll make a zip which just contains the good ones. I may even be able to start up a small server for us to allow them to be checked out some time.
Oil rig maps sounds great. I'll edit the front page regarding the rest now.
We need to get this sorted now and posted up.
Please see Prov itinery thread
Thanks
PEN
Ahem, I hope to buy BF2 while at the LAN. I wonder if someone will have a legal copy that I can legally obtain in a legal way and legally install...legally?
Or should I go and buy a copy from the shops before I arrive? I don't play BF2 so this will just be for the LAN.
Quote from: smilodon;224241Ahem, I hope to buy BF2 while at the LAN. I wonder if someone will have a legal copy that I can legally obtain in a legal way and legally install...legally?
Or should I go and buy a copy from the shops before I arrive? I don't play BF2 so this will just be for the LAN.
Yes, you can buy an original of me cheap if you like.