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kregoron
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Character Name: Boomi (Alt of Kregoron :D )
Level: 16
Class: Hunter
Race: Dwarf
Past Guild Affiliation: SOG, Genesis and some other shissles!
Who is your sponsor? Soonjung!
Who else do you know in the guild? Like half of it!
Why do you want to join SOG? I wanna talks with my old guildies!
Anything else? I like cookies?
Gib Kreg back in SOG!
TL.
Kreeeeg! We want Kreg back!
kreg? who is that?
atleast he like cookies!!!
gib kreg!!
nice to see you again :D
WHAT!? Your going to start playing! Insta-invite kreg plix!
Knowing why he wants to join, no. Leave him be.
I don't know about his talents with hunters, but thats one damn skilled mage!
And looking those names recomending him, there should be no question :)
-Lex
its only the hunter joining:P not the mage
tho im not gonna vote him out or in dunno the guy really
Just let him play with me for a while, and ill make sure he gets to his senses :D
EDIT:
Ehm... Don't comment on that please.... Trust me, I know...
who is he?
Quote from: Goregrinder;222115who is he?
Former guild member and very talented mage. Went his separate way to Genesis and now wants back socially it seems.
What is Bastet's comment about? Is it serious or tongue in cheek?
Quote from: Lucian;222123What is Bastet's comment about? Is it serious or tongue in cheek?
:narnar: <-- hint.
Good to see more of the old people want to come back (even if it's just on alts).
Damn, I missed that, mustn't have loaded on my screen.
Edit: don't welcome him just yet. I withdraw my initial favourable response.
Quote from: Sandrion;222127:narnar: <-- hint.
Good to see more of the old people want to come back (even if it's just on alts).
There is no smiley in my reply, and yes its serious. Ill stand by my no.
why????
Quote from: Bastet;222136There is no smiley in my reply, and yes its serious. Ill stand by my no.
Hmm, now you're making me wonder :g: . But I suppose if you wanted to elaborate on it you'd have done it already.
I too would be interested to know Bastet. I talk to Kreg online most days and am in the dark here apparently.
TL.
Quote from: Lucian;222129Edit: don't welcome him just yet. I withdraw my initial favourable response.
What new info? what is going on here? can someone please elaborate why its so difficult to invite a social member who most of the old SoG's know?
:withstupid:
:withstupid:x3...
Well from a conversation i had with him for a few days now, i quote:
I want to have a char in SOG so when by recent upheavel a lot of ppl start leaving i can also leave in protest.
That is why, no.
That's the sort bitchy atittude I hate - and if it is true, he deserves to flamed on Aszune for it. People are entitled to their opinions, provided they keep them to themselves, but all Kreg wants to do is sh*t stir.
well in my opion,its seems like SoG is a second hand Guild for Genesis Members ( i dont mean that in a bad way) :P
If someone wants to come on alts and do some stirring,Instead of getting on with Guild Development,social or not,then they are not wanted.We have a good community in the guild,and that kid of behaviour is not wanted!
SoG does NOT need any more disruption at this point in time!
And its definatley not the SoG way
Oh and Btw how does he feck know about any upheavel????That is SoG'S Business not other Guilds or anyone else!
Quote from: Goregrinder;222184Oh and Btw how does he feck know about any upheavel????That is SoG'S Business not other Guilds or anyone else!
When he whispered me and asked if I had heard about the changes I asked him the same thing. Believe it or not he speaks to people he knows and as an ex-SOG member he knows a lot of people here, including most of the past and present officers. That's where he heard about the changes from.
As for the Genesis/SOG relationshp, I guess I am a bit biaised as I have a toon in both guilds, but most of the people there spent 2 of the last 3 years together raiding through Molten Core, Blackwing Lair, Temple of Ahn'qiraj and finally Naxxramus, so I'm guessing that the friendships that developed there have remained over the last twelve months. Genesis & SOG have always maintained a friendly relationship (why would it be any other), and Genesis have invited SOG officers/members to Gruul/Magtheridon kills to help officers gain experience of the fight and have generally always tried to help SOG by allowing Genesis members to raid in SOG raids where you needed the help.
I do not see SOG as a "second hand guild for Genesis members" as you do, that's very demeaning, I see it in many cases as an old SOG member, who has spent only 1 of the last 3 years away from the guild, returning to his/her original home. You have to remember that the two guilds differ in their objectove - Genesis is a high-end raiding guild who raid for close to 18 hours per week. When a raid member can no longer meet that punishing schedule they may decide to return to their friends who are distinctly not second-hand.
I have no idea why you introduced the Genesis/SOG relationship into this thread as it is about a single person's application, but hopefully the explanation of the vast amount of history that there is between the members of these two guilds will help a relative newcomer like yourself Goregrinder to understand the relationship better.
TL.
I don't think anyone considers SOG to be a "Seccond hand guild". SOG and Gen is two very different kinds of guilds, SOG has always been a social guild, and kreg amongst others, are all originally SOG members which joined Gen when TBC got released for more hardcore raiding that SOG could offer at that point. (EDIT: Read b4 post, fair enough, good points tho)
If Kreg, or any of the old SOG members would like to join for the social bit of SOG, i would gladly sponsor them, I know many of them, and they are usually good chaps, Kreg is no different. What Kreg said, im pretty certain that hes not joining us just to stir things up. He is highly regarded in dMw and was highly regarded in SOG when he was here. Doing something like that would harm him more than he would like. I stand by my respose, let the kid in. I can't blame him for wanting a foot inside this fantastic guild just to have a chit chat with old guildmates. That is how we got some of the hardcore raiders back in the guild isn't it? Which reminds me, its luna-festival! :yahoo::yahoo:
ok
I did say that "i didnt mean it in a bad way" then you say im demeaning the guild
As yes TL you are totally biased
and secondly
i might be a newcomer TL, to this foray,but I have got the guild some good prgress,with the help of some very good indidviduals amongst the ranks!
And yes even some members from Genesis have helped!
your last paragraph is more demeaning to me than what i had said about the 2 guilds.
I see the world of wow differently from you!
I dont know what soap box your on but u may need to jump down off it!
You made a comment about the guild relationship between SOG & Genesis from a position of little knowledge. I tried to provide you with the background information as to why you might see this guild as a second-hand guild for Genesis members and why so many others see it differently. If being informed makes you feel demeaned then I am sorry.
Quote from: Goregrinderwell in my opion,its seems like SoG is a second hand Guild for Genesis Members ( i dont mean that in a bad way) :narnar:
Smiley or no smiley I was not the only one to take offence (see Othbarty's post). As to not taking in a bad way, which other way would you like me to take it because it eludes me at the moment.
And secondly you asked about my soap box, so here it is:
(http://www.sapdesignguild.org/editions/edition6/images/persil_uk_sm.gif)
I'll not jump off it as that would be pretty pointless. Those that know me realise that the soap box never had a chance and now resides in a flat-pack world.
I'd suggest comment returns to the application in hand.
TL.
I knew the background of SOG/genesis you didnt have to tell me again,i was around when SoG was first put together,not in the guild but i had known ppl that were in it
I like the soap box,was a nice touch
I'd still say NOPE!! to application tho!
well one the 1 side i think okey hes a old SoG bla bla bla....but if he wants to talk to ppl from SoG ...why not /w them and as ive seen a bit Genesis lost some members(but i guess im not the only1 noticing that) maybe hes just trying to confince ppl that Genesis is better then SoG and ect ect... and dont forget maybe trying to throw some salt in the "wounds"
caus as far as i know the reason SoG aint a hardcore raiding guild anymore is caus of the guild Genesis being created and so ppl of SoG left.
thats just how i c it i hope im wrong but i hope this is a more objective look then u guys c it who know the guy
/w is fine, but you know as well as anyone that gchat provides you with more than just your private whispers.
I doubt it is an attempt to "confince ppl that Genesis is better then SoG " as Genesis would only recruit attuned & suitably geared people and (no offence) I think we can all agree that there isn't anything here to poach. Maybe I'm here to recruit for Sora?
SOG was never hard core raiding, it was raiding with a RL balance which is why we never got towards the leading edge of progress - 3 nights a week was too big a commitment for many and too little time invested to do really well. It was amazing what we managed in 3 nights per week though. Genesis was formed to be a hard core raiding guild and to avoid the problem of 40 people being squeezed into what was then the new 25 person raid instance. Looking around at other raid groups of the time you'd be hard pressed to see a guild where major change did not happen.
The real answer might be to ask him instead of speculating on hypotheticals. I have been waiting for him to come online over the last 24 hours but not yet caught up with him.
TL.
Spoke to Kregoron just now on MSN. He has no intention of causing trouble and seriously wants to just be in contact with friends again.
There. Now the speculation is over.
TL.
Quote from: Othbarty;222067WHAT!? Your going to start playing! Insta-invite kreg plix!
:withstupid:
The application commenting has had its purpose, missunderstandings has been aired, and cleared.
There are enough ppl here to vouch for the lad, I honestly don't see the problem...
EDIT:
I forgotsomething... ROFL TL! Gib Sora invite!! :narnar:
Quote from: Othbarty;222243EDIT:
I forgotsomething... ROFL TL! Gib Sora invite!! :narnar:
Sorry Sora are full on warlocks at the moment
..........wait a sec, I think I can do something here
........../gkick Jantore
Sora now have a vacancy for one warlock! :roflmao:
TL.
well as far as i stand, kreg would never do something like that..
and as for JT, the moment i see him irl again, ime gonna kick his butt.. he still hasnt payed me for the hostel expenses that i payed for the 2006 SoG meet
The other thing is, assuming things stabilise, and I hope they do, there won't be any trouble for him to gquit over.
Someone mentioned it above - an ex-raider returning to SOG - I call that someone like Lunares, returning on his main, Beset returning on his main, not someone who returns on lvl 16 alt. In all honestly when is Kreg likely to sit gchat on that toon to see people online who he knows?
Basically, I see it as boiling down to the old, 'Do we let alts of players in to enjoy the social side of the guild?'
Teaele is an alt.
TL.
No offense TL, but you put one HELL of a lot more effort into SOG pre-TBC than Kreg ever did. You earned your right to have an alt in the guild, in my eyes, through the hard work and dedication. Kregoron was never officer, never led raids, never demonstrated much interest in the guild activities beyond the social world where he was a popular member.
Teale is lvl 70 alt - not 16 either, and is online a lot.
Your alt and Kregoron's alt are not even close to being in the same category.
Hmm while i was reading this the urge to reply hit me.
I would like to know why ppl think old genesis members might go back to SOG. Cause atm it seems that ppl think SOG is just an guild for old genesis members to go to when they are tired of raiding or something else.
Yes i am 1 of those 2, i quitted raiding at genesis due to time problems and went back to SOG cause i have RL friends in here and i know quite a few ppl.
Does this give any of the members here problems with me? I would like to know that cause if thats so i will leave SOG, i do not want to cause more trouble then needed.
Quote from: lunares;222278Does this give any of the members here problems with me?
short and simple: None atall
Nope
Noone has a problem with you Luna,they have no reason to have any
/hugs and kisses to luna :D
and do we invite kreg? don't see him as a problem.
Quote from: Goregrinder;222151Invited 11/02/08
on social basis
and because its holy's mate(must have bought him off the AH) :P
And Kreg is a mate to half of the old SoG members, and wants an invite on a low lvl alt, on social basis.
But he cant be invited?
EDIT: We <3 you Lunares, and dont take this personally :) /hugs