As i was cycling to my job (as an intern) at Ten Cate, i saw a couple ducks and a few squirls, lots of birds and a clear blue sky with a healthy sun rising somewhere in the east. So far so good, then I took a right turn after the trainstation, cycled up the Ten Cate terrain and parked my bike somewhere at the end. Still very happy, whistling a heavy metal tune entered the building, to my desk, turned on my laptop ( in the mean time putting on my working shoes ) and checked my compagny mail, my gmail lauged at Garfield as usual typed in deadmen.co.uk/forum and then it happend:
Ten Cate surf control
acces for user intern/bergmanr
Acces: DENIED
http://deadmen.co.uk flagged as /games
[/rant] WHAT THE H... is this? Even at school they don't blog forums. They don't even block flabber.com or biertijd.com or eredivisie.nl etc. but they block deadmen :angry::angry::angry:
atleast 25% of the employes smoke 4 times 15 min everyday, though they only have 2 breaks and use up 1 for it!!!
Looked up the compagnie rulez, and as long as the site is a forum, and contains no imbedded games or movies, and you don't post anything that could harm the compagny, then you free to visit/post on it.
So i confronted them with it, but ofcourse i'm only an intern, and because they read "Gaming" they don't want to unblock it.
I love my work there, and i don't spent alot of time surfing, and i understand that sites like youtube.com or hyves.nl (sort of myspace.com) are blocked, or nederland.fm (its a gathering of online dutch radios) but blocking a forum just because it spells "gaming" thats just plain mean! :angry::angry::angry: [/rant off]
So i'll be missing out the weekly a bit of fun before the weekend in the morning and afternoon :crying:And i have to find something else to spend my minute breaks, to clear my head for a few secs :(
With you Lumi
It annoys me too when smokers (no offence meant to you smokers out there) are allowed to pop outside several tmes a day for 10 minutes and noone minds a bit! If you are caught on facebook.com or something then you are truly screwed! Where is the fairness in that?
Well in all fairness, a lot of sites are blocked at work to prevent people from spending hours on there. They do pay you and expect you to do a proper job. Its resonable they block off some stuff to get thier moneys worth.
As for smokers, i care not either way. Its not like the rest of us spend all our time working, thiers is just more visuable.
Quote from: Jabbs;225803With you Lumi
It annoys me too when smokers (no offence meant to you smokers out there) are allowed to pop outside several tmes a day for 10 minutes and noone minds a bit! If you are caught on facebook.com or something then you are truly screwed! Where is the fairness in that?
I'm a smoker, and work onsite with the customer, certain sites are blocked (get un blocked everyday), yes i pop out 2 or 3 times a day but i also work in exess of 10 hours a day (only paid 9-5:30ish), all of my adult life (in IT) i have lived with certain limitations to what is acceptable, it seems that non smokers turn a blind eye to smokers who work longer hours. It was recently brought into my FPR that i spend an ufull lot of time talking to Liberator and that was to stop, when i brought up the fact that i work from 8 till 17:00 or even 18:00 (rare 1800 finish) and the fact that i actually dont take any breaks as ther is no one else to do my job whilst i am gone (entitled 2 an hours brake), boss was not aware of this and glossed overit to further tell me the i take 5 or six breaks for smoking... not true i have one one on the way into work (10 min walk from car park (that isnt paid for by the company)) i have one at 11:00 and one at 14:30 and sometimes i will have one at 1650 (if time allows) so at the moment not am i only doing 2 persons jobs (after ditching a project managers job back at him as he was getting ****y about it and he was reading all the internet so at the time me doing 3 persons work project manager getting paid for jack), as one of the jobs mainly takes about an hour a day the otehr job was supposed to take up 70% of my time takes up more than that as i have no free time to myself at work and longer hours.... bearing in mind i am a fully qualified NT Server admin (NT4, 2000, 2003 (as well as all client OSes (going for vista and server 2008 (also not paid for by the company as promised)), because i asked a simple question to 2nd line one of the customer (1st & 2nd line now back with customer) managers starts giving it some next thing i know im doing paperwork and the office B*tch jobs i.e change management for shifts (3rd line) this is the new role that has no papaerwork no training and nobody knows jack about how its going to work in a 3rd line basis so i have had to do all the database design and web design work myselfas well as the other job which is to keep a database of root passwords up to date which is being replaced (already has) so there is no point to me actually doing that job for the foreseable future, as for the change management job this is taking up not only working life but also personal life that i could be spending with my young family (2 girls and the wife).. So you cant get on a single page use your noggin and get round it (bable fish works well) or an internet proxy end of the day we all have problems and the grass is not alwasy greener on the otherside you just have to kow how to tend your own lawn to be able to get on in life
Ghoule m8, you might want to use some paragraphing in that, its very hard to read like that :sad:
Quote from: Bastet;225813Ghoule m8, you might want to use some paragraphing in that, its very hard to read like that :sad:
its a rant it doesnt need to be neat :narnar:
It helps if you want it to be read, i didnt get to the end :narnar:
Quote from: Bastet;225815It helps if you want it to be read, i didnt get to the end :narnar:
quote the bit you didnt get and i will translate
Oh i get it all, you got a underpaid job, working overtime all days and get a lot of flak from the smoking breaks.
Its just nasty to read without formatting.
I personaly dont have a problem with smokers as long as they get the job done thier hired to do. An preferably dont smoke near my place of work, allthough with a couple of gallon of stuff that burns 3 times eazyer as gasoline i doubt they will ever get close hehe.
Quote from: ghoule211;225810I'm a smoker, and work onsite with the customer, certain sites are blocked (get un blocked everyday), yes i pop out 2 or 3 times a day but i also work in exess of 10 hours a day (only paid 9-5:30ish), all of my adult life (in IT) i have lived with certain limitations to what is acceptable, it seems that non smokers turn a blind eye to smokers who work longer hours. It was recently brought into my FPR that i spend an ufull lot of time talking to Liberator and that was to stop, when i brought up the fact that i work from 8 till 17:00 or even 18:00 (rare 1800 finish) and the fact that i actually dont take any breaks as ther is no one else to do my job whilst i am gone (entitled 2 an hours brake), boss was not aware of this and glossed overit to further tell me the i take 5 or six breaks for smoking... not true i have one one on the way into work (10 min walk from car park (that isnt paid for by the company)) i have one at 11:00 and one at 14:30 and sometimes i will have one at 1650 (if time allows) so at the moment not am i only doing 2 persons jobs (after ditching a project managers job back at him as he was getting ****y about it and he was reading all the internet so at the time me doing 3 persons work project manager getting paid for jack), as one of the jobs mainly takes about an hour a day the otehr job was supposed to take up 70% of my time takes up more than that as i have no free time to myself at work and longer hours.... bearing in mind i am a fully qualified NT Server admin (NT4, 2000, 2003 (as well as all client OSes (going for vista and server 2008 (also not paid for by the company as promised)), because i asked a simple question to 2nd line one of the customer (1st & 2nd line now back with customer) managers starts giving it some next thing i know im doing paperwork and the office B*tch jobs i.e change management for shifts (3rd line) this is the new role that has no papaerwork no training and nobody knows jack about how its going to work in a 3rd line basis so i have had to do all the database design and web design work myselfas well as the other job which is to keep a database of root passwords up to date which is being replaced (already has) so there is no point to me actually doing that job for the foreseable future, as for the change management job this is taking up not only working life but also personal life that i could be spending with my young family (2 girls and the wife).. So you cant get on a single page use your noggin and get round it (bable fish works well) or an internet proxy end of the day we all have problems and the grass is not alwasy greener on the otherside you just have to kow how to tend your own lawn to be able to get on in life
...and breathe.
Here's a quarter, kid - learn a real OS and get yerself a proper job.
:roflmao:
Quote from: DogMeat;225819...and breathe.
Here's a quarter, kid - learn a real OS and get yerself a proper job.
:roflmao:
yes something like "passwd root y0usuckthismuch"
notice no CAPITALS as unix people hate those (not in forum shouting terms either)
I like the option of having either/or not just the cmd line (xterm doesnt count)
Quote from: ghoule211;225821yes something like "passwd root y0usuckthismuch"
notice no CAPITALS as unix people hate those (not in forum shouting terms either)
I like the option of having either/or not just the cmd line (xterm doesnt count)
OK, so maybe a quarter isn't going to be enough.
Although I understand you can get Minesweeper and Freecell for Linux now, so not all of your Microsoft skills would be wasted...
Quote from: ghoule211;225810It was recently brought into my FPR that i spend an ufull lot of time talking to Liberator and that was to stop,
Then why the hell haven't you stopped? :ranting2:
Quote from: ghoule211;225821yes something like "passwd root y0usuckthismuch"
notice no CAPITALS as unix people hate those (not in forum shouting terms either)
I like the option of having either/or not just the cmd line (xterm doesnt count)
No, we just like it when the operating system allows you to decide if you want to use capitals or not instead of deciding to do it for you, just before it BSoD's.
You know better than to start that "Windows is better than Unix" thing again, you never win and always end up stomping off.
Back on topic:
Quotewhistling a heavy metal tune
There's your problem:g:
Back on topic too:
I think the whole point is that a lot of companies (including several I have worked for) spend a lot of time and effort stopping you doing things at your PC like looking at some websites (even if it is in your own time), playing solitaire etc, whereas they don't put so much time into the more obvious smoking breaks.
Of course that doesn't apply to ALL companies but it did/does with Lumi's.
By the way I have nothing against people going for smoking breaks, if you can do it, then do it! My problem is with self important bosses who are not fair in their practises. I mean...blocking 'gaming'? Tough luck Lumi :sad:
Sounds like 1 job I had.
They had only 1 computer which had internetacces and which could only be used during breaks (over 30+ people working there). They wouldn't even allow music to be played on the workfloor.
@ My current job I can search the internet when I want aslong as my I'm doing my job properly. Heck, even the boss uses sites as Hyves and Facebook.
Lumi, there's probably ways around to get to the deadmensite.
Quote from: Liberator;225853You know better than to start that "Windows is better than Unix" thing again, you never win and always end up stomping off.
I don't think anyone can really believe that Windows id better than UNIX in the datacenter, unless they've never had any proper exposure to UNIX. I manage both Windows and UNIX servers and I can tell you that Windows doesn't hold a candle to UNIX in the availability and resilience stakes.
If your talking about the desktop and ease of use, Windows still comes out on top though (never used a MAC for any length of time so I can't compare).
We use to be blocked for anything that contained the word 'forum' and any webmail client, so we used other methods to get to dMw. The proxy filters were just general blocks on words and you had to request access for business use. Blocking technical forums for sys admins was a bit of pain.
But strangely it looks like someone with a bit of common sense got their hands on the proxy filters and made a better job of it, dMw is open and so are most sensible sites, strangely we even have access to YouTube.
Ocasionally you still get the 'denied' screens for certain links from within the forum, but we are pretty good now.
We use to have access to a completely open proxy that was used by our security teams, but that was remove a long while back. Although I can remember one guy that used to work for us that spent most of his time searching for soft pr0n pictures. :norty:
This change in policy is probably because of the more comprehensive auditing and software drop systems we use. The enterprise virus scanner has good malware and mail probes and so they feel safer letting you look around the web.
A bit of a change, they were using Ollivetti SX33's on OS/2 Warp when I started there and that was only 10 years ago. I was a contractor prior to that and ended up taking my own Pentium 200 Win98 laptop in to actually be able to do and work.
I'm not exaggerating when I say it used to take between 15-30 minutes to actually start up your PC and login in the morning. Sn00ks will back me up on that one.
Strangely, the practices we used to do 10 years ago ties in with Blunts ACAS hearing post (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=22925). But the afore mentioned new software dropping and auditing system has stamped it out almost completely, some people still need prodding occasionally.
Quote from: DuVeL;225873Lumi, there's probably ways around to get to the deadmensite.
Bad recommendation.. Trying to circumvent IT controls in my company would get you reprimanded..
Make friends with the Sys Admin or buy him/her a bottle of whisky ;)
You could use a proxy, but overuse and your IT guys might notice. Another option might be to remote desktop to your home PC, you can always change ports it runs on. Other then that ask them to unblock during lunch hours etc.
At my place of work, Ebay is blocked, except during lunch hours and after 5pm. Although all the IT team have access to everything.
Quote from: Ninja_Freak;225889Bad recommendation.. Trying to circumvent IT controls in my company would get you reprimanded..
Sue me :flirty:.
For the rest, this thread made me think about another ex-boss of mine.
He allways got @ work around 9.30 and left around 17.00.
Got some comments from him that I allways left exactly on 16.30 but what he didn't knew is that I allways started earlier then everyone else.
He also commented on my internetusage once and even flipped when I used a site which I had to use for work.
Ahwell. Current boss is good and I'm working here allready 2 years now (used to be headhunted).
Quote from: Ninja_Freak;225889Bad recommendation.. Trying to circumvent IT controls in my company would get you reprimanded..
for music sites i have 220.ro a romenian youtube ;).
I just need to hear like 3 songs differ from the main crap radio they use in the lab ( you can't hear it where i work only if i work there).
And via via i can reach some songs on youtube, but i can't type or refresh in/with it but thats ok, i won't try to.
It scks i can't get on deadmen site, news sites and such are perfectly legal to watch, and i'm not gonna watch an hour, i have enough stuff to do, but a check in the New Post twice a day would be nice :(
@ duvel
Have the same thing only the opposite. I always show up later then the rest, but i also go home alot later, mostly its 30 min longer then required or so. but some people tend to forget that, just to nag about it or make "funny" (NOT) comments like, goodevening when i show up 30-40 min after then :S (and i've checked, they don't always check in @ 8 pm sharp themselves... (more like 10-20 min later))
i have the same problem - whenever i was on the internet at school i used to check the forums (maybe once a day or so) they blocked it for games.... Just thinking about reporting it as a "miscatagorisation" to Admin and get it unblocked :)
for deadmen site
have you tried
http://77.108.129.36 ?
Quote from: ghoule211;226030for deadmen site
have you tried
http://77.108.129.36 ?
i only see the word index
yeh same here
No access for me other than e mail and the BBC website.
Things ain't the same in the UK since the disks went missing.
After reading this, I felt compelled to update my thread:
http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=226097#post226097