OK some member thoughts needed on our Kara run ….:devil:
Tonight again we DE’ed more than we pick up, very active members have picked up most of the kit required and maxed out on rep along time ago
Thought s on turning Kara into a free run for alts ?
If u have maxed out on rep for kara then u should be able to bring an alt ?
The down side is you may end up with an under equipped team ...
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simple rule
alts can ONLY come in with the consent of officers
this is due to it not impacting on the raid.
ALT must be resonably geard to be able to come on the run and must be able to forfil there function.
yes alts are alowed but must forfil above criterial, ie not totally in greens
But what about progress ? If we start gearing alts that doesn't mean more player to gruul for example. I have heard that many of the members are very bored to Kara, so shouldn't we more forward? And we can clear Kara in one night if we want. The badge farming is a whole dirrefent thing, if we want badges we need to farm Kara forever but I would like some proggress :)
I think we have almost 25 pretty nicely geared players, atleast close to it.
And Zul Aman has started nicely we just need to learn more and that needs wiping.
These are just my thoughts and I'm sure the officers have some kind of a plan but in my opinion if we start gearing alts it is like starting kara all over again.
-Lex
ps. This is one of the things that has been discussed from the start.
I agree with Lex - progress should be the name of the game.
Once we have 30 regulars for Raiding then Karazhan will be forgotten quicker than a very quick thing.
Imagine being able to put up a raid schedule that looked like
Sun - Gruuls complete then onto.......
Tues - Start SSC
Thurs - Continue SSC move onto......
When we have the number of raiders needed for a raiding guild then Kara alt gimp runs no problem...fri afternoon/eve sat afternoon/eve, no need to grind heroics for gear just get an alt run going to kara.
I'd love to get my hunter and priest geared up and it will happen at some time, but for now the focus needs to be getting enough people that will turn up week in, week out to progress SOG raiding and IMO that means mains working together to provide the teamwork required for the tougher places.
However whilst we can still only get one Kara run going, either do it with all 10 alts, so all the alts get a whiff of loot or just continue with mains and try and get the speed up and the wipes down and continue badge farming till the cows come home.
FB
There are some easier targets than SSC to start with after Gruul FB. Zul'Aman to start with and the even easier Magtheridon for example, but it would indeed be nice to see SOG move on to fresh raid instances.
Indeed TL i'm never quite sure which way round they go after Gruuls :D
I think the point is that at the moment there is a coice of 2 different 10 mans that we can have a go at.
If/ when we get to full raid strengh (and we were a gnats do-da away less than 2 months ago) then you could have a choice of any of the 25 mans and/or 2 seperate grps to either/both of the 10 mans.
FB
Currently we dont have the manning for 25 man. At some point member numbers will increase be it next week or in a couple of months but we are still going to do a kara run in the mean time.
Most people have alts and would like to use them but cannot due to there class.
Take a well known Priest who would love to get his rogue into Kara for the gear and aswell the fun of it but cannot due to the lack of healers. A tank who like try a mage (me :P)
I am sure there are others but they dont have options other people may have.
Maybe look at an added night for alts.
Look at who can fill a place of someone wanting to try an alt.
Or scrap the idea and everyone plays there main but trys another instance.
Bumped ...most of us should have some sort of opinion
more thoughts please :yahoo:
personally, i'd like to see more commited members join the guild so we can have more people to have a 2nd kara group for alts... but sometimes i'd like to have a change from healing and having a DPS / Tanking experience again...
Anyway What happened to Hank? (off topic)
atm we don't have the manpower for 25 man raids...
But yeah i would love to bring my mage into kara, but most of us have dps alts...
I don't mind...
Well IMHO if any of you have any low level characters 12-20 and want to help me out and start over again then feel free.
Had great help from Jim earlier saved me from nasty spiders and trying to make my home base in the Horde territory.:doh:
Caught a boat tram and went to some crazy places didn't even know existed
Want a pumpkin familiar m8 like Jims.
hehe was fun taking you around places,
As i said to you, i got a L13 / 15 druid i think off the top of my head, if you want i can quest with you, take you around more places :)
As for the pumpkin :O, that was a drop from an instance that only occurs once a year, maybe if i'm nice i'll buy you a pet :P
I got a L12 Pala that I just started called Vaylen. Tbh I am mainly running him through Dead Mines multiple times with my L70 mage as the XP is so quick and easy, so if you want to tag along and level a bit quick then shout!
TL.
Go on then youve promoted me to discuss my opinions again!!
I have two lvl70s a shad priest with a few epic and the god (doh i mean Evo) in all honesty i enjoy healing but a break would be nice every now and then. My alt isnt in SOG and wont be and perhaps that is something i need to discuss with the officers however im here for progression so if you need my healing then thats what ill do. :)
Evo
as far as my opinion goes we need to get more members for 25 mans and progressing onto the new Instance!
We did well a coulple of months back when we got Gruul down to 1% on our third try, this seems to be a long way off now, we have 1 good team that can push kara to its limits,we should be moving on from there and leaving it to alts!
There is no attunement to BT or Mount Hyjal now, i cant believe that ppl would not want to progress to these Instances and get some phat loot,apart from the new badge rewards!
I dont have many alts so im not sure what help i would be,I know that i dont wanna be stuck in kara for the next 6 months :P
I'll prob end up repeating what has been said earlier that we need more core members for 25 mans ect. But in the meantime i see no harm in alt KZ runs, i being the master of alts have a huge amount of fresh 70's (8 lvl 70's), with healers/dps's mostly. I wouldnt mind taking my Priest one day into KZ ect.
What is important is the class combo's have to be good, probably more so being an alt run. We'll see!
yeah i would like to take aggrobot to kara to see how he does as for alts i think it would be good to have some sort of alt runs as they can be just as important as a main for when some1 cannot show any time, who can we fall back on if no alts are geared up that are the class thats needed at the time
i'd say that if we dont go ZA tonight, we should organize this Alt kara run just to test it out, my pally can either DPS or Tank as you both of Jims gears are awesome :P
With the changes upcoming to heroic badges and the supurb items it might be nifty to set up an alt run on a off day. Bastet/Sok are still after thier PVP cloak too, so i am sure i can find a char to help on :)
It realy seems we have interest in an ALT/ Free run ... not sure of the best time but we can see
as many other people have said here the kz run for alts is high valued by alot of ppl here. and I also seen some posts saying stuff about progress, and we ain't gonna get alot better progress by letting alts in, IMHO we should let new players into kz and gear them up! some of you are in all the raids through kz, and I would love to see new faces filling in your spots. that's just my opinion :)
think i'm a bit late posting on this but hey hoo...
at the moment my char is prob in the middle of both groups. While i have some good gear i'm prob not geared as well as i should be for some of the more challenging raid instances. Also, i've just come over from a guild who it appears didn't quite have their tactics nailed down (with them, 4 hours nearly to get to curator, 3 hours on an uber fast run with you guys to down illhoof and aran).
While not counting myself out for ZA, i think i'd prob suit running with the alt group for a bit if it does come to pass. Not purely for the loot, but maily for getting to know how you guys do things. I've only raided with you guys for 2 kara nights and cleared a little trash in ZA and i'd like to get more accustomed to how you guys work.
As i said, i'm not counting myself out for ZA, always more than happy to come heal if available / needed, but as i'm not as expereinced raiding (only went to kara maybe 4 or 5 times before joining you guys and i'm a "holy at 70" priest), i may have to excuse myself the odd boo-boo like what happened tonight when i ran up the stairs and caused a wipe in error (will donate 20g to GB for that one).
well, that's my two cents on the issue. :D
Aab
p.s. please don't see this post as a lack of enthusiasm, i brick myself healing at the best of times, even more so in ZA :D with experience will come calmness hopefully
Good points :D
Kara could be run as a more social raid to help gear up mains / alts keeping in mind that priority will always be to main chars for invites and loot
Another point is people may say "well ill do it on my alt but not on my main" If u sign up and your main is *needed* for the raid then you must be happy to swap
Undecided if to add another raid for this or use one of the current 3 nights.
Use 1 of the current days..
We try ZA now as we don't have the numbers for 25 man raids...
But kara is needed to get the people geared up and getting to know the other people.
Kara is easy for that, the main group that is already geared up knows kara so the new people can learn and gear up the fast way.
Kara aint a problem but we still need to go there and not focus fully on ZA alone.. If we focus on ZA then only the really geared up people stand a change and the new people are left alone... So both raids should be done.
But a 4th raid day is a bit much, we are a social guild or are we going to be hardcore raiding?? As i think some people don't have the time for.
That are my :2cents:.
"i should hurry to get wow back up and running..... ahhh well hope i can play friday again"
I H
maybe kara should be used as a badge run for the main raid grp!,also to help newcomers to gear up! kara is a good means to an end for getting gear!
the new badge rewards are gonna make people more acceptable to higher end raids,all we need is the numbers/active, players/members increased.
The alt runs should be a different night from our main raids,but adding a 4th raid night would be hard,so a compromise would have to be done i guess.