Dead Men Walking

Hi guys I have been having problems with CS lately in terms of the damage I am causing if at all.

A brief example of this - On Aztec the T was crouched and planting at B I came through the double doors stopped and began emptying my MP5 into the back of the T

Dead Meat... you would think but he stopped planting selected his Deagle and blew my head off!

This was not an isolated incident but highlights my problem.

I have messed about with rates/choke etc makes no difference so I have started to review my gameplay, maybe I am just doing something wrong??

One thing i would like to know is how you guys aim as I tend to fire in the general direction of the enemy because I dont feel there is enough time to zero in.

Emptying a clip into an enemy without killing them is seriously affecting how much fun I was having playing cs.

Cheers

V

Well, most of it have been covered here (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2306) (for bravo and above) but I would give the following tips.

• always keep your aim in head/neck height.
• aim where you would expect the enemy to show up or common camping spots.
• Short bursts (1-3 bullets) and use full auto only in close combat.
• Avoid running and shooting if possible (improves accuracy)
• Crouch if you want to improve accuracy.
• always keep your aim in head/neck height.
• always keep your aim in head/neck height. (I don't think I can stress this enough!)

Wow, 4 vs me...
Must say that I aim automaticly usually.
As Sheepy once said while watching me at a LAN deeagletourney;
"He doesn't even aim!"
 
If aiming; Neckhight. Recoil does the rest.
 
Must say; I've had the same thing you're talking about aswell.
Directly behind someone and still hardly no damage.
I reckon it's the hitboxes on CSS.
 
EDIT; Same as Sadako for the rest...

Using the crosshair hack helps ofc. :flirty:

This might help (based on my own feel of it)

Accuracy - = less, + = improved

Climbing on ladder --(-)
Jumping --
Running -
Walking, Standing still +
Crouching ++


Single shot +
Short burst 0
Long burst -
Full auto short range --
Full auto long range --- (spread will be larger)

So if you are running and full auto you will have ----
Crouching single shot +++

Edit: I think what Venom is asking for is the mental/physical process we go through to aim at an enemy. Some people will be better then others, hand/eye co-ordination and youthful reactions can make some look like cheaters.


I think your first step is to be more deliberate in your aiming. As Doc/Duvel says always get their head/neck inside the crosshair. Get into the habit of keeping you crosshair up and stop going full auto/general direction.

CSS hitboxes are fairly accurate, this isnt BF2 ;)

Don't sacrifice aiming for a quicker response/reaction, it's obviously not working for you. Get the aiming sorted first, make it second nature to aim for the head and then let the reaction time come naturally as you improve, it will imporve the more you play. I tend to find my mood and alertness have a big impact on my reaction time, but I'm always fairly consistent with my aiming.

Try this by yourself, start your own server, stand about 10ft away from a wall and shoot once making the bullet decal (start with a pistol). Use the bullet decal as your target, now strafing left and right try and keep your cross hair over the original bullet decal while firing. Don't worry about where your bullets are landing this exercise is about getting use to moving your crosshair over a small target.

How well did you fair? Are you struggling with mouse sensitivity?

Have a look at this guide I found some time ago, I spent a lot of time tweaking my mouse setup after buying a Razer Copperhead. It changed CSS for me. (infact I need to go through this again)

http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=21189&highlight=mouse+sensitivity


Lastly Practice, Practice, Practice, Get on a GunGame (pref a respawning one), but don't play the game, just practice aiming. I spent a good amount of time experimenting and getting a feel for it. Although I don't really play gungame anymore it did get me back into CSS and back on the hook.

Good comments above me but I'll some random stuff :)

• Buy a decent mouse! got my razer deathadder just before the lan and apart from the sexy glow distracting me whilst I'm ingame, I find my aim is more consistent and alot smoother.
• Try play some aim_maps on random servers. Aim_aztec, aim_headshot and aim_usp are decent maps without mods like gungame that helped me improve my aim alot.
• Try playing at a low sensitivity?. It takes some getting used to as it can take 2 mouse mats to turn around at first but your aim at long distance in particular improves looooads. Mine is still pretty low but i find i can turn just as fast with quick hand movement and keep my long range aiming.
• get rid of mouse acceleration incase you still use it! tis rubbish, took me ages to convince toxteth to get rid of his.
• use the ak47 to practice your single shot/small bursting and aiming for the head:boxing:

Quote from: Salvatore Buttafacio;230322Try playing at a low sensitivity?. It takes some getting used to as it can take 2 mouse mats to turn around at first but your aim at long distance in particular improves looooads. Mine is still pretty low but i find i can turn just as fast with quick hand movement and keep my long range aiming.

It does take some getting use to, mine in CSS is below 1.0 if I remember correctly. I think the trick is to use your arm(elbow) for big movements and wrist for the accuracy.

Quote from: Salvatore Buttafacio;230322get rid of mouse acceleration incase you still use it! tis rubbish, took me ages to convince toxteth to get rid of his.

That's one of the points in the guide I posted above :) Do it now!

Strafing
2 steps left 2 right shoot in the middle for long range
Short range SPRAY! :)
 
Jewelz^ frame of mind there :D

I've been tinkering with an FPS Banana Script which reduces the sensitivity only when you press the fire button.

I.e. if sensitivity is set to 6, when you press fire the mouse sensitivity is reduced to 1 and then back to 6 when you stop.

If anyone's interested............

Quote from: Dr Sadako;230318This might help (based on my own feel of it)

Accuracy - = less, + = improved

Climbing on ladder --(-)
Jumping --
Running -
Walking, Standing still +
Crouching ++


Single shot +
Short burst 0
Long burst -
Full auto short range --
Full auto long range --- (spread will be larger)

So if you are running and full auto you will have ----
Crouching single shot +++

Drinking: initially ++ but eventually becomes -----------------------

Quote from: BlueBall;230343Drinking: initially ++ but eventually becomes -----------------------

Sooo true :D

Here's my twopennyworth:

1. Get a decent mouse and have its 'resolution' 'AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE! (My G5 is on top setting).

2. Have ingame sensitivity AS LOW AS POSSIBLE (like Jamoe, mine is at 1 or 0.8 something like that).  This means aim stays where you mean it while pressing that mouse button.  Let's face it, pressing the mouse button is obviously prone to mouse movement 'off target' so the less movement while pressing mouse is GOOD.

Two things however changed my success drastically:

1. I have two decent mice, one a Microsoft Habu which is no doubt a good mouse in that the way you are supposed to hold it (relaxed hand) means that your finger can be flat across the button rather than the tip of finger on button.  This is ok for some people but for me I kept 'pressing' too hard/deliberately to fire which meant the mouse crosshair would move off target.  The whole point about aiming is to have steady aim 'on the target'  Would you agree? :eyebrow:

2.  The whole point about aiming is to be focussed on the target as I said above.  The second thing that has helped me DRASTICALLY is the crosshair size.  I set mine VERY VERY small like this:

cl_crosshair_size "10000"

This means that I am more focussed on the targets (head) rather than the crosshair!!!!!!  Try it, don't say to yourself: "OMG I cant use that!".  Try it for a while first! :D

EDIT: Thought I would add this although I don't use it at the moment:

zoom_sensitivity_ratio "0.78"

I guess this means mouse sensitivity is lowered to 0.78 while in zoom mode on Scout for example

Thanks for all the tips guys :)

One thing I know is my mouse now appears to be far to sensative I have it at 5.3 EEEEKK!!! so I will reduce it asap.

Somethings I already do ie small crosshair but I sometimes wonder what the best colour is?

Jamoe :  I will be working through the mouse settings thing over the weekend as its very extensive.

So basically I am back in training as I feel I need to raise my game to improve enjoyment on the dMw servers.

Thanks again for all the tips :)

Quote from: Venom;230365Thanks for all the tips guys :)

One thing I know is my mouse now appears to be far to sensative I have it at 5.3 EEEEKK!!! so I will reduce it asap.

Mine is at 8.0 ... :byebye:

Quote from: Venom;230365One thing I know is my mouse now appears to be far to sensative I have it at 5.3 EEEEKK!!! so I will reduce it asap.

Follow the guide, there is a section at the end (3rd post I think) that shows you how to find your perfect sensitivity. Don't use a setting because someone else does, too many factors affect it.

I use a Green crosshair size 2500. You can see it most of the time without it being distracting.
As for your issues.Bring up Net_graph. I've been having similar problems recently. M4 at near point blank and not getting single hits. My Choke is going upto 80-100 at points. When it does I have major issues.
Anyone who's seen me play without these problems will tell you I might not be the best player, but pick up most point-blanks with my reaction time.
If you have any P2P software running on your connection, that can clog your connection up, and if you've got lots of people sharing the connection it will die.

(I have 20Mb broadband through Virgin, but even with modest upload and download p2p software has a dramatic effect on gaming)

Quote from: T-Bag;230368(I have 20Mb broadband through Virgin, but even with modest upload and download p2p software has a dramatic effect on gaming)

Agreed @ T-Bag

@ Venom.. be prepared to be testing and messing and tweaking your settings and stuff for a couple of weeks or maybe more!  It took me at least that time to get a setup I was happy with.

I've a 14 week old baby boy, he's had a dramatic effect on my gaming. :rolleyes:

I use a large sticking plaster in the middle of my screen. If anything disappears behind it I empty the clip in that direction :devil:

Quote from: Venom;230313Emptying a clip into an enemy without killing them is seriously affecting how much fun I was having playing cs.

I don't know if I should comment this as I don't play CS. I play and have played other FPS games (currently mostly Arma, which is actually not so much FPS but that's another issue...).

But if if you empty a clip "into an enemy" (your words), so it could be...

- lag (the person is not anymore where you think he he is). But if the person was plantic a bomb (i.e. not moving) I doubt
- some invulnerability hack (if the person is someone outside dmw and especially not dmw server). Especially if he was walking through walls and walking on roofs were nobody else can go :rolleyes:

But if you are absolutely talking about your aiming, what I do is...
stop
crouch (prone is even better)
single shot or 2-3 shot bursts should be enough

You shouldn't need to empty a clip into someone to kill them.

Out of interest, next time this happens, make a note of how many times you hit them, how much health they had left, ask them if they had armour (likely), note the type of gun you where using and if it was a m4 was it silenced. Also take note of how close you where. It may well just have been you where too far away to go full auto.

Also, do you pull down when going full auto? as this can help counter recoil a little.


I've been trying to find info about hitboxes and how this affects the damage done. I haven;t found anything useful yet.

I was about 15 source feet away using the MP5.
I did 66 damage.

Depends, normaly,
long range single taps,
mid range burst,
short range just empty the thing.
Also depends on if i have been seen or not. On panizi i managed to get a very nice clean headshot on Blunt cause he didnt see me.
 
What ever works for you though, sometimes you just get unlucky and empty a whoel clip almost point blank and not even hit anything. Sith happens :narnar:

I agree with bastet....

Bit hard to empty a clip into someone when using a scout :roflmao:

i just aim for centre mass unles i have time for headshot

I tend to always aim, even when I'm right up close to people, letting off as few shots as possible - Usually.

I always try to aim, sometimes when I get suprised I may just do a reflex action in the general direction.

mine differs with my mood, though i always try to aim, really helps me avoiding teamkills/wounds

close combat depends on my wapon, sometimes spray sometimes the head. ( with deagle i aim for the upper torso/neck)

Its all in the mind :D thats what i think when it comes down to settings and i've tweaked them in all possible ways b4 i started thinking this way. The way i think 2 improve now is just enjoy it whatever the map is have fun then everything else will just fall into place after playing for awhile :)

happy fraggin :D

it really depends what type of weapon im using....

Scout: General direction covering an entrance or just a slip (E.G. on Dust where i can watch A + Top of underpass with un scout :D)

M4: I tend to generally Aim at an other players chest and above

P90: Spray + pray :)

but i'm normally VERY trigger happy hence why i occasionaly accidently TA / TK

i always  try to aim for the bodymass bit i still miss everytime. i'll have to try spray and pray from now on.

Venom:  First up, don't panic too much about your aim! I'd say this particular situation could just be the fact that you were shooting full auto with an MP5.  MP5 is rubbish damage and rubbish accuracy when you spray.  Personally I'd recommend that you don't use it at all - I'd rate it about equal to a Mac10 overall, with any other SMG being better.  Although having said that I just realised that I don't even bother to buy SMGs any more, put in some pistol practice and you'll be far more effective at any range, except maybe point blank, but even then you can still often land a headshot.

So my advice is pretty much what everyone else has said:

- Set cl_crosshairscale around 20000 for the smallest crosshair size.
- Crosshair on the head/neck.
- Take the time to set up the shot if you have it, even at close range. It's better than spraying and praying. ;)
- Use a rifle if you have the cash.
- Use a pistol if you don't, that way, even if you lose the round you might still have enough for a rifle next round.

Tips for spraying:
It's not always a bad thing!  As long as your target is no more than say 10-12 metres away it can be quite effective.
- Get on an empty server.
- Pick your weapon of choice.
- Aim at a single spot on a wall and empty a clip at it.
- Look at the pattern it makes.  Guns recoil differently, the m4a1 has a kinda T-shaped spray and the AK is more of a random cloud.  The one thing to notice is that after the first few rounds almost all the rest will land above where you were aiming.
- Now empty another clip at another wall, but this time move your aim down while firing, the idea is to get as many bullets as possible to land in the smallest area possible (preferably at head height ;) )
- Experiment with how far you need to aim down and when, at different ranges (couple of metres, 5m, 10m), and with different guns

Now you too can have l33t n00b spray skillz! :woot2:

Just a thought on another thing to help aiming!

This might seem totally off (at first) but trust me, this is very useful.

Improving Game Play Can Improve Aim

Yes, it can.

Keep an eye on where your team mates and enemies are, who gets shot where and by what weapon etc.

Keep in mind what you think the other team might be thinking about your team tactics.

Use your ears!

Knowing the maps helps A LOT for this next bit.

For instance:

Let's say you are the last man on your team and your have been taking part in a fight and finally it's just you against say two or three others.

They know where you are.

But you also know roughly where they are.

Take some form of action to let the enemy know where you are (although you wont be there).

Imagine what those three players against you will think.  Maybe they will try and outflank you?

From this you can guess where your next target will be, therefore you can get yourself lined up with a shot before they appear.

While all the action is going on, listen for footsteps trying to outflank you or flashes thrown where they expect you to be.

From all the above you can be prepared for where the enemy is going to be.

And that's really important for getting the kills.

Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents P*ss Poor Performance

Just watch some of the good players (i.e. Butta) and you wonder how the hell he gets the shots he does.  It's because (in part) he knows where you are going to be and therefore has a split second advantage on you!

So, after all that, if you know where you enemy is you don't have to panic and take 'pot luck' or spray.

Does this make sense?  Maybe I'm giving too much away?  I don't know :narnar:

Oh and finally, keep voice comms useful but don't overdo it cause there are players on your team who use their ears a lot so talking random crap isn't helping the team.