Isn't it funny that the fun has left the servers, It seems it's not a community, more like a army barracks lol.
Last night i was going to get banned from a clan i was in (dMw) before it ever come to the internet (duke nukem FTW).
I'm not that active on forum so i didn't find out you can't shoot dead bodies?:g:
But the point is, i was given a kicking straight away:boxing:, not even a warning, To many power crazed admins about:ranting2: lol
Come on lads let's stick together and make this clan a great community like it was before, I hear to many people on other servers putting this clan down due to the behavior of people attitude's :ranting2:
Love You ALL:crying:
Well your bravo so you should know that shooting bodies isn't the way to go on dMw servers. That they banned you straight away is maybe a lil harsh, but you should talk this over with the admins that where on, at that time, instaid of making a topic about it.
d|s did not get banned straight away; he did not get banned at all (certainly when I was there).
d|s was warned by Sadako for shooting dead bodies - an act that Sadako said he has warned d|s about before. d|s decided to argue the fact and Sadako said that if he could be banned if he didn't stop. At this point I interjected and told him that shooting bodies was not acceptable - no discussion needed and if he didn't like it he could leave.
You were not given a "kicking" but you were given a warning; the reason that is was given in such a forceful manner is that you have had several warnings about your behaviour already. I'll say no more on that as it should not be discussed publicly but as you are the one casting accusations regarding the admins then you can fully expect to receive some feedback and also that other community members get to know that the admin response was not an isolated incident but one of several warnings you have had for not following the server rules.
Saying that you do not frequent the forums and didn't know is unacceptable! As a bravo you are expected to frequent the forums and to help maintain the standards of dMw.
It is not up to us to conform to your ideals d|s; it is for you to conform to the dMw ethos.
I could post a lot more but I would suggest that you spend a little more time on the forum and read your PMs more often - there is still one at least that shows as unread!
No one was banned or even kicked. BB has already told what happened. End of story,
Tit for tat.
Thought this was a community where we could say what we feel is unfair or wrong?.
This community is a circus, either your in the "click" or your just a guy on the other side of the internet.
DIS is a senior member like me of dMw and deserves some respect, he speaks his mind and don't talk in computer jargon.
After all this is meant to be a community which im sure some of you guys in the "click" are.
But for us who arent in it dont mean we dont deserve some respect, we're not kids or teenagers who live for this gaming. We play it for fun, but somehow somewhere the fun is running out. I notice the older guys all get on well and i notice that sometimes us younger guys get spoken down to. I dont need to explain myself anymore.
Either this is a community where we can talk about how we feel about the clan or how we play, or its a boring church guild where we get criticized for explaining how we feel.
Take this how you want i dont even care.
Quote from: Deathitself;239698Isn't it funny that the fun has left the servers, It seems it's not a community, more like a army barracks lol.
Last night i was going to get banned from a clan i was in (dMw) before it ever come to the internet (duke nukem FTW).
I'm not that active on forum so i didn't find out you can't shoot dead bodies?:g:
But the point is, i was given a kicking straight away:boxing:, not even a warning, To many power crazed admins about:ranting2: lol
Come on lads let's stick together and make this clan a great community like it was before, I hear to many people on other servers putting this clan down due to the behavior of people attitude's :ranting2:
If you read this right you would see that i didn't say i was banned or kicked.
I was never warned about this action before and i don't do it often!
so please no lies:eyebrow:
Although I would like to I am not going to close this thread because I know I will just get whined at for being heavy handed. However, I intend to continue the discussion with d|s via PM as there are certain things that need sorted out!
I suggest that people think carefully about what they intend to say before posting anything further in this thread.
Quote from: ***Freestyler***;239738Tit for tat.
Thought this was a community where we could say what we feel is unfair or wrong?.
This community is a circus, either your in the "click" or your just a guy on the other side of the internet.
DIS is a senior member like me of dMw and deserves some respect, he speaks his mind and don't talk in computer jargon.
After all this is meant to be a community which im sure some of you guys in the "click" are.
But for us who arent in it dont mean we dont deserve some respect, we're not kids or teenagers who live for this gaming. We play it for fun, but somehow somewhere the fun is running out. I notice the older guys all get on well and i notice that sometimes us younger guys get spoken down to. I dont need to explain myself anymore.
Either this is a community where we can talk about how we feel about the clan or how we play, or its a boring church guild where we get criticized for explaining how we feel.
Take this how you want i dont even care.
There is no clique. On a personal level there are people I have time for and people I do not; however, I do not let that get in the way of trying to help everybody in the community.
Sorry if you don't feel loved :(
d|s - you have a PM from me.
Sorry you feel targeted d|s, I was on the same team last night and it was only a little warning. You weren't being picked on or anything from what i saw/heard so just a little misunderstanding :) Don't feel put off the servers - just remember not to shoot bodies and all is well.
Quote from: ***Freestyler***;239738Thought this was a community where we could say what we feel is unfair or wrong?. This community is a circus, either your in the "click" or your just a guy on the other side of the internet.
Yet you jumped on me for raising a concern about the Last Stand Perk in the cod4 forums? Bit of double standards there :blink:
Havn't noticed any "click" and I thinking your making a mountain out of a molehill :) was only a little warning to d|s, the admins arn't targetting people.... unless its with an ak47!
Quote from: BlueBall;239745d|s - you have a PM from me.
You got the PM from July 9 but there is still a second PM that you have not read (todays PM).
Quote from: BlueBall;239756You got the PM from July 9 but there is still a second PM that you have not read (todays PM).
Replied:D
You have a new PM
Can i suggest you go into "User CP" (see top menu) and then "Edit Options" and set things so you get an email sent or a forum popup window if you get a PM? I use them and they are pretty useful tools so I dont miss things.
On the subject of Cliqueness (spelling lol?) I don't see any old ppl huddling together or other way round. To be honest I only know the ages of a few ppl and they are mostly the ones I met at the LAN.
For instance I get on well with Butta in game and out and I'm twice his age I'm sure.
One thing I have learnt in life is that if we start talking about cliques and such then they often happen!
I suggest that we all do our bit to welcome new people and correct them gently when they are wrong and for those stubborn fools (who've been around a while) who disobey the rules I suggest we deal with them as privately as possible to negate any bad feeling during games. I for one was a little embarrassed at the 'telling off' at d|s.
For the sake of the good standing of the community (word DOES get out) I suggest we do as above:
1) New people treat very kindly and gently - I was new once and didn't see the signs, thankfully Browne was there with his Guiness and accent and I was happy :D
2) Old hands should be dealt with privately wherever possible if things look like they are heating up in game, because the 'telling off' distracts the gaming almost as much as the rule breaking in the first place.
Maybe a separate thread is needed for this, but at what point did it become unacceptable to shoot dead bodies?
I remember joining yonks ago and dead bodies were shot.
Maybe I took no notice, but I don't remember anyone getting ticked off.
I'm trying to understand how it is disrespectful! You shoot someone in-game in the hoping of killing that character.
It will get to the point where something is talked about too often that shouldn't really be an issue, but then becomes an issue.
Personally I think this is one of them. Most admins will likely disagree.
Quote from: Thulsa Doom;240169Maybe a separate thread is needed for this, but at what point did it become unacceptable to shoot dead bodies?
I remember joining yonks ago and dead bodies were shot.
Maybe I took no notice, but I don't remember anyone getting ticked off.
I'm trying to understand how it is disrespectful! You shoot someone in-game in the hoping of killing that character.
It will get to the point where something is talked about too often that shouldn't really be an issue, but then becomes an issue.
Personally I think this is one of them. Most admins will likely disagree.
It's always been a no no. Maybe you took no notice. Likewise, even worse in my opinion, is spraying on the guy you just killed. That's just like p*ssing on him. Absolutely no respect. :angry: That should be, maybe it is, a kicking offense.
http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=19708&highlight=dead+bodies
Quote from: BlueBall;239743I suggest that people think carefully about what they intend to say before posting anything further in this thread.
Exactly why I'm staying out.
However, for the record, even I know it's unacceptable to shoot the dead bodies here. In addition, if taken to a realistic level, you would never waste your ammo in a combat situation. Dead guys aren't worth the bullets.
NF :ninja:
Not sure if I should put my head into this...
When I played Cod2, some people had this unrespectful habbit. Once they managed to kill someone they 'danced' in front of him and sprayed bullets into the body even he had been dead long. I think this also due to the fact that the camera stayed in the place where the dead person would see the other guy dancing and and spraying bullets into his screen.
About shooting corpses which have been dead for ages (and the player camera is not anymore in the body). This hasn't bothered me ever in games after all they are only zeroes and ones in computer memory. You do not normally hurt any real person's feelings. But of course it is stupid to spend your ammo in so useless activity and also let everybody to know where you are. So if I was a squad/team leader I wouldn't let any of my team members do that. In real life there would be also the respect dead people idea.
But even it doesn't bother me normally, you can overdo it too. If someone is spending much of his 'free' time in the game spraying dead I think he should be mentioned that his behaviour is not exemplary (especially if he is dMw member).
Side note. It could be done in IRL though. If in a war you saw that it looked like there was too many bodies in the no mans land, you might test if the extra looking body was a body and not e.g a member of a patrol trying to capture a prison.
EDIT: To be honest I was bit surprised this was a rule, not that I would do it. But didnt remember seeing it written anywhere. If it is a de facto rule, maybe it should be written into the member rules (the member standards or what ever it is...not just some random forum thread)
I think this topic was dead a while ago but people continue to spray it with mind bullets ;)
Quote from: Ninja_Freak;240219if taken to a realistic level, you would never waste your ammo in a combat situation. Dead guys aren't worth the bullets.
NF :ninja:
This is true.
For future reference,
i suggest that if the administrators are unhappy about a member conducting themselves. Rather than openly embarrass this member, get on steam friends and let then know. I for one despise being spoken down to in front of people. I rage and i WILL answer back.
However, approaching me or any other member "without" openly discussing it for crimes i/we commit then im sure we will all respect and know not to fuss about it.
If we don't discuss these things on forums, then nothing will change, not all of us can write in the appropriate manner. But we aim to get our points across.
Some of us have been apart of dMw from the birth and early days, that its self deserves respect.:dummy::dummy:
Quote from: ***Freestyler***;240244Some of us have been apart of dMw from the birth and early days, that its self deserves respect.:dummy::dummy:
Respect is earned, you being ex-military should know that better than anyone!
As for not publicly embarrassing people that do not follow the rules, when speaking out in public is the only route left because others have been tried and ignored then we may just have to use it.
Quote from: ***Freestyler***;240244For future reference,
i suggest that if the administrators are unhappy about a member conducting themselves. Rather than openly embarrass this member, get on steam friends and let then know. I for one despise being spoken down to in front of people. I rage and i WILL answer back.
However, approaching me or any other member "without" openly discussing it for crimes i/we commit then im sure we will all respect and know not to fuss about it.
If we don't discuss these things on forums, then nothing will change, not all of us can write in the appropriate manner. But we aim to get our points across.
If someone with the dMw tag, breaks the rules on our public server, the admins are inclined to let him and everybody that saw him breaking the rules know, that breaking the rules will not be tolerated. Talking back in a disrespectfull manner will lead to that the admins will not have any other options than to take actions. Bending the rules isn't allowed on our public servers even tho (especially not) wearing the dMw tag! The dMw tag is a mark that you understand and play by the dMw ethos.
This is my 2 cents, and is not discussed with any of the other admins, and is as is stands, my personal reply.
The admins have a set of standards (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3496) that we follow to try and ensure consistency and fairness. I have highlighted the section regarding warnings:
Quote from: OldBloke;336265.1 Warnings on Private Servers
Warnings must be given before ANY other form of punishment for ANY Member who is violating the TCS rules or guidelines. Warnings should not be given without FULL understanding of the events that occurred. You must personally have VISUAL confirmation that a rule has been violated or proper conduct has not been followed before a punishment is issued. If possible, have another Admin confirm the event before issuing a warning. Warnings must be given onscreen for all Members to see.
5.2 Warnings on Public Servers
Due to the MOTD and Server messages displayed during play, a separate warning is not always necessary on the public servers. If possible a direct warning should still be given for minor infractions before any other punishment is use.
These rules have been in existence since 2003 with modifications made to deal with the public server during September 2007. These standards have served us well and I see no reason to change them.
Its funny how the rules are so strict when after all this is a community.
Maybe its me but people need to lighten up abit :s
End of conversation
Quote from: ***Freestyler***;240266Its funny how the rules are so strict when after all this is a community.
The rules were created by the community and have been in existence for ages. being a long standing member you would know that!
QuoteMaybe its me but people need to lighten up abit :s
Its you!
Time too close this one i think...:g:
I think shooting bodies should be listed as no no in the etiquette or server rules.
Quote from: ***Freestyler***;240266Its funny how the rules are so strict when after all this is a community.
Maybe its me but people need to lighten up abit :s
End of conversation
Free, the rules will only seem strict if someone doesn't obey them. I seem to remember disobeying the 'no entry' signs when I first visited the server (as I said earlier) and at the time I thought it a little lame. After chatting with people and seeing how dMw play and how they treat each other I realised that actually the rules are NOT strict at all! They are based around game play and respect for others. Think about it and you should see what I mean. :g:
The admins work really hard for our game enjoyment and they rarely make mistakes. :g:
The admins only get tough on people who continuously disobey the rules and requests made.
To be honest if you have the 'feel' for the community and a 'feel' for the way we should play the games (respect, integrity, looking out for others etc) then you (not you specifically, but anyone) will know
deep inside that
shooting dead bodies (for instance) or
swearing on server or
accusing a respected dMw member of cheating (for example) is not right.
By the way Free and d|s, do you mind me asking, have you been to a LAN? :rolleyes:
Perhaps a LAN visit is due if you haven't? (shameless plug for what is an awesome weekend of 'bonding' and watching Sheepy go through the weekend totally smashed!) hehehehe :D
Anyways, that's all for now. :eyebrow:
Quote from: KKND;240270Time too close this one i think...:g:
I agree. Points have been made and re-made. 'nuff said.