Through them or round them? I've got this bloody great bee in my bonnet and it wont go away. Chicanes are cut on a regular basis and tyres are scattered like confetti. Make a layout that prevents this and it's met with howls of anguish! Am I so out of touch, that the idea of keeping two wheels on the track is now old fashioned? Is the idea of a chicane being a device to slow cars down an outrageous one? Help me out here chaps. :sad:
People will always try to find the quickest way through a chicane which basically means 'straightening' it - whether there are any added disincentives or not. So either way - tyres get chucked about.
If I try to cut chicanes I generally lose control off of the kerbs. However, the quicker guys seem to do this without much trouble. Again, extras or not, they're still quicker than me through them.
Until Scawen gives us 'cutting' detection then, for chicanes, my personal view is to stick with the defaults. The advantage to me is that it tends to make the visibility better. The disadvantage to me is that at some time I'll think (wrongly) that I too can take the quicker line through them.
I would still advocate the pit entry/exit enforcements though.
personally i agree with the idea of keeping 2 wheels on the track at all times
but i feel the reason people (myself included) scream blue murder about it
is the walls seem to encroach the track too much !
i don't beleive that concrete walls are the sollution, i mean if you hit one your normally catapulted out of the solar system and auto retired from the race.
is that right ?
but hey i'm just one small voice..... what does everyone else think?
So the principal of going slower doesn't hold water then? How do we all manage at South city? But fair enough, you'll get no more barriers from me. :)
Quote from: Doorman;246569So the principal of going slower doesn't hold water then? How do we all manage at South city? But fair enough, you'll get no more barriers from me. :)
You've only had two replies so far to a thread less than 45 minutes old. :D
The universally accepted (yeah, it is accepted in Omicron Ceti too) that two wheels min must be on track gives you the possibility to half-cut the chicanes by letting two wheel to jump over the curb/grass. I think this is legal and done all the time in real racing. It might unpset your balance, but you have to deal it if you cut this way. You can put barriers so close to tarmac that you cannot 'cut' it this way, but it means also that those who miss braking point or get out of racing line because of the heat of the racing, get a harsh punishment.
You could put the barriers farther away from the chicane, but bit longer into the tarmac. This way those who brake bit too late won't hit the barriers so easily but have to make a sharper left-right (or right-left) turn to get back to the line (and get punished this way, but won't fly to the moon). If you didn't grasp the idea, I can draw a picture.
Quote from: OldBloke;246570You've only had two replies so far to a thread less than 45 minutes old. :D
Maybe because I really know how people feel. :)
Quote from: Aquilifer;246571... If you didn't grasp the idea, I can draw a picture.
Please. :)
HOT POTATO!!!
I don't like them, they are there to stop the few but cause too many problems for the rest of us.
Something like this...
Sorry the red colour doesn't show too well, but too lazy to fix it.
The longer the barrier is, the more drivers need to turn and slow. The idea kind of needs a grass area in the chicane to tell the 'normal' line. Barriers only stop outrageous cutting. Normal people who just miss braking a bit do not suffer unfairly.
I dont mind the augmented chicanes, I get used to them. Some times I actually like them because they define the corner better and make me more consistent. But basically I can get used to them whether they are there or not after a couple of races.
The thing is I'm not sure that they are really needed for the type of server that DMR runs. None of the regulars ever over cut any part of the track on purpose and if there was a some one who joined who was doing it they would be spotted and asked not to do it, then kicked or whatever if they repeatedly did it.
I dont think chicanes in simulators can ever be as effective as in real life for the simple reason that you cant die :) . There is no way any of us would even attempt to go through a chicane as fast in real life as we do in LFS, no matter how fast you are. In other words, if a real life driver had a go around a track he was familiar with in real life, in a simulator, he would be quicker than his best real world time in the sim. The lack of fear being a major reason, I reckon. :g:
Quote from: Seany;246584...There is no way any of us would even attempt to go through a chicane as fast in real life as we do in LFS, no matter how fast you are. In other words, if a real life driver had a go around a track he was familiar with in real life, in a simulator, he would be quicker than his best real world time in the sim. The lack of fear being a major reason, I reckon. :g:
That is my whole point. With chicanes that fight back there IS an element of fear.
It simply seems to me that it is unrealistic to barrel through a chicane scattering tyre stacks. You
wouldn't do it IRL. Interestingly enough, I watched people going through the two chicanes at FE4 and mostly they took the correct line. i.e. two wheels on the tarmac. It was only when they were trying it on that the tyres came into it.
The thing is that at FE if you cut too much the curbs will kill you.
At the other tracks the curbs are insignificant and don't have any efferct on your line. I think this is why you saw people taking a more conservative line.
Maybe instead of tires beside the track, you could put a 6" ramp on the outside edge of the chicane curbs. This way if you take that line you need to be a stunt driver to manage the 2 wheel beasty your now driving:)