Dead Men Walking

Look at the new wing on the Williams :nope:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70778


Williams confirm Rosberg and Nakajima for 2009:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081002014830.shtml

ooo:blink:
should be interesting

"The FIA declared recently that some teams will be allowed to "equalise engine performance" .......


http://www.onestopstrategy.com/dailyf1news/nieuw/article/5819-Renault%2C+Honda%2C+Toyota+to+improve+F1+engines.html

Oh dear........ :angry: F1 is doomed! :sad:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71405

Quote from: Snokio;247550Oh dear........ :angry: F1 is doomed! :sad:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71405

It's been doomed for yonks. As I understand F1, you're given a set of parameters within which you build the best car possible. But that was in the days before Ecclestone when it was a sport and not specifically an entertainment. :angry:

"Leading Formula One teams say they are baffled about the decision by the FIA to equalize engines for next season."

"McLaren-Mercedes and BMW-Sauber are not too happy about the move......"

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71420

Edit: No more French Grand Prix has been announced!

Quote from: Snokio;247664... Edit: No more French Grand Prix has been announced!

So that leaves them one short doesn't it? Canada back in the frame maybe.

Abu Dhabi F1 Circuit Unveiled at Emirates Palace will be on the Formula 1 race calendar from 2009.

http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/formula1/35418/

:flirty:

not much info I'm afraid, but looks like there will be some major cost cutting in F1 :crying:



http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081021180203.shtml

&

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7682905.stm

A1 gp ?

Quote from: OldBloke;247669So that leaves them one short doesn't it? Canada back in the frame maybe.

Possible rescue:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081023175302.shtml

oooh, the drama :rolleyes:

Quote from: o000o;248668oooh, the drama :rolleyes:

:roflmao:

some test times from 3 days ago:

1. Vettel Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:19.751 70
2. Sato Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:20.017 79
3. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:20.034 48
4. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:20.223 99
5. Paffett McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:21.340 31
6. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:21.521 76
7. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:21.525 113
8. Button Honda (B) 1:21.770 110
9. Sutil Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:22.073 58
10. di Grassi Honda (B) 1:22.283 110
11. Piquet Renault (B) 1:22.348 85
12. Badoer Ferrari (B) 1:22.425 127
13. Gene Ferrari (B) 1:22.772 31
14. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:22.945 81
15. van der Garde Renault (B) 1:23.250 37
16. de la Rosa Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:23.499 86

2 days ago:

1. Vettel Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:19.295 75
2. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:19.839 122
3. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:20.154 115
4. Paffett McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:21.140 81
5. Button Honda (B) 1:21.387 94
6. Klien BMW Sauber (B) 1:21.534 88
7. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) 1:21.592 106
8. Senna Honda (B) 1:21.676 107
9. Piquet Renault (B) 1:22.148 94
10. Hulkenberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:22.410 52
11. Badoer Ferrari (B) 1:22.866 120
12. Fisichella Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:23.086 93
13. de la Rosa Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:23.103 88

AUSTRALIAN Formula One racer Mark Webber has been seriously injured when he was hit by a car while competing in his multisport challenge in Tasmania.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24689551-5005961,00.html

:sad:

Edit: not too serious, Webber has suffered a broken leg.

Quote from: Snokio;252134AUSTRALIAN Formula One racer Mark Webber has been seriously injured when he was hit by a car while competing in his multisport challenge in Tasmania.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24689551-5005961,00.html

:sad:

Edit: not too serious, Webber has suffered a broken leg.

It needs pinning though so, surely, that must severely hinder his pre-season testing and fitness :blink:

Don't get me wrong, its a serious injury, I just meant not as serious as 'life threatening'

Yes, serious but non life threatening.  Poor chap :sad:

@OldBloke It's got to affect his pre-season surely?  When does the new season start?  Usually March isn't it?

Quote from: Jabbs;252212Yes, serious but non life threatening.  Poor chap :sad:

@OldBloke It's got to affect his pre-season surely?  When does the new season start?  Usually March isn't it?

Aye. 29th March 2009 in Australia.

Teams have all got new cars as there are big changes to the regulations for the coming season. I don't know if that would mean more testing than normal but certainly the cars are going to drive differently so Webber must be missing out.

Just look at the......things:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/3491611/Lewis-Hamilton-set-for-new-looks-as-BMW-Sauber-reveal-F1-monstrosities-Formula-One.html

http://www.formula1.com/gallery/testing/2008/331.html

bucket please....

They are going back in time!
History
 (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/f1/2008/11/753394) don't mind the text, just look at the pictures and years :lmfao:

Now that Bernies missus has filed for divorce, could F1 become hers?

I honestly don't see what the fuss is all about.. there isn't really that big a difference from, say, the 1998 version? There's been way more radical changes in the past.. look at that dreadful 1984 thing!

Red Bull re-takes ownership of Toro Rosso

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081125192848.shtml

Edit: It looks like they might be selling:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081126084919.shtml




Barrichello confirms Toro Rosso link:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081127083913.shtml

Honda pull out? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7766092.stm)

Not looking good. :sad:

And talk of Toyota too :sad:

The full list of cost-cutting measures

The World Motor Sport Council met in Monaco on 12 December 2008. The following decisions were taken:

FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

The following measures to reduce costs in Formula One have been agreed by the World Motor Sport Council. These proposed changes have the unanimous agreement of the Formula One teams, who have played a major role in their development. The FIA is grateful to the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) and its Chairman Luca di Montezemolo for their incisive contribution.

2009

Engine

Engine life to be doubled. Each driver will use a maximum of eight engines for the season plus four for testing (thus 20 per team).

Limit of 18,000 rpm.

No internal re-tuning. Adjustment to trumpets and injectors only.

The three-race rule voted on 5 November remains in force.

Cost of engines to independent teams will be approximately 50% of 2008 prices.

Unanimous agreement was reached on a list of proposed changes to the Renault engine for 2009; all other engines will remain unchanged. Comparative testing will not be necessary.

Testing

No in-season testing except during race weekend during scheduled practice.

Aerodynamic research

No wind tunnel exceeding 60% scale and 50 metres/sec to be used after 1 January 2009.

A formula to balance wind tunnel-based research against CFD research, if agreed between the teams, will be proposed to the FIA.

Factory activity

Factory closures for six weeks per year, to accord with local laws.

Race weekend

Manpower to be reduced by means of a number of measures, including sharing information on tyres and fuel to eliminate the need for "spotters".

Sporting spectacle

Market research is being conducted to gauge the public reaction to a number of new ideas, including possible changes to qualifying and a proposal for the substitution of medals for points for the drivers. Proposals will be submitted to the FIA when the results of the market research are known.

Note: It is estimated that these changes for 2009 will save the manufacturer teams approximately 30% of their budgets compared to 2008, while the savings for independent teams will be even greater.

2010
Power train

Engines will be available to the independent teams for less than â,¬5 million per team per season. These will either come from an independent supplier or be supplied by the manufacturer teams backed by guarantees of continuity. If an independent supplier, the deal will be signed no later than 20 December 2008.

This same engine will continue to be used in 2011 and 2012 (thus no new engine for 2011).

Subject to confirmation of practicability, the same transmission will be used by all teams.

Chassis

A list of all elements of the chassis will be prepared and a decision taken in respect of each element as to whether or not it will remain a performance differentiator (competitive element).

Some elements which remain performance differentiators will be homologated for the season.

Some elements will remain performance differentiators, but use inexpensive materials.

Elements which are not performance differentiators will be prescriptive and be obtained or manufactured in the most economical possible way.

Race weekend

Standardised radio and telemetry systems.

Ban on tyre warmers.

Ban on mechanical purging of tyres.

Ban on refueling.

Possible reduction in race distance or duration (proposal to follow market research).

Factory activity

Further restrictions on aerodynamic research.

Ban on tyre force rigs (other than vertical force rigs).

Full analysis of factory facilities with a view to proposing further restrictions on facilities.

Longer term

The FIA and FOTA will study the possibility of an entirely new power train for 2013 based on energy efficiency (obtaining more work from less energy consumed). Rules to be framed so as to ensure that research and development of such a power train would make a real contribution to energy-efficient road transport.

An enhanced Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) system is likely to be a very significant element of an energy-efficient power train in the future. In the short term, KERS is part of the 2009 regulations, but is not compulsory. For 2010 FOTA is considering proposals for a standard KERS system. The FIA awaits proposals.

A number of further amendments were adopted for the 2009 and 2010 Sporting and Technical Regulations.

For those who haven't heard yet, Ron Dennis steps down as team principal:
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7833402.stm
 
also new Mclaren MP4-24 was unveiled:
 
http://www.formula1.com/gallery/launches/2009/346.html

Formula One racing’s governing body, the FIA, announced Friday that it is preparing radical rule change proposals for 2010, designed to allow teams to be competitive on a fraction of the current budgets.

The proposals, which will be considered by the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council next month, are intended to enable new teams to join the sport, as well as securing the future of existing independent constructors.

The FIA statement in full (http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/2/8962.html)

Bad news. F1 this season will not be on BBC HD. :ranting2:

its sad to say but F1 has lost its way,  real racing = A1 for me:D

Honda and Ross Brawn have confirmed that they have reached agreement to secure the future of the former Honda Racing F1 Team, with ownership passing to team principal Brawn with immediate effect. Subject to FIA approval, the team will become known as the Brawn GP Formula One Team.

I heard they will be using Mercedes engines as well which seems odd as they were way ahead of everyone else in terms of development :g:, I also hear the drivers remain as they, which means that they will not be using Bruno Senna

Some recent F1 testing times:
 
JEREZ TEST - DAY TWO:

1. Alonso Renault (B) 1:18.343 103
2. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:18.398 62
3. Button Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:18.892 12  
4. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:19.513 85
5. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:19.783 123
 
JEREZ TEST - DAY THREE:
 
1. Button Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:17.844 114
2. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:18.071 66
3. Piquet Renault (B) 1:18.382 128
4. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:19.121 118
 
Brawn team looks promising :D
 
FIA Introduces £30m budge cap for 2010 (including drivers):
 
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73743
 
"The voluntary cap will be set at £30 million per team per season, and those outfits signing up to the option will be allowed total technical freedom."

I'm thinking the same thing I was at this point last year ... it's shaping up for an interesting season :yahoo:

And Oppinions on the new points / race wins system and why you think it came about?
 
I am currently undecided if it is Racial, anti Hamilton or "lets all have a cup of tea and make some lovely little changes, tea cake anyone"?

Quote from: smite;268891And Oppinions on the new points / race wins system and why you think it came about?

I think it has merit. It appears to be a sound idea i.e. it should stop a driver thinking "I'll settle for 2nd place" and take a 2 point hit. Instead it *should* see him battle for 1st. Applying the formula to last season and saying Massa would have won is ludicrous IMHO. The drivers weren't driving to the new rules so no comparison can be made.

Jerez Unofficial Wednesday times - Day 4:

1. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 1:18.202
2. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 1:20.023


Mclaren seem to have made some progress - only 4 tenths of Button yesterday:D

Quote from: OldBloke;268892it should stop a driver thinking "I'll settle for 2nd place" and take a 2 point hit.

surely increasing the points gained from winning a race would have the same effect :g:

Of course more points for a win would work but imagine two, three or five drivers within a few secs of each other with five laps to go.... winning is all that matters, a fight to the death, and that's entertainment not a sport...

I can't wait, there'll be bits of carbon fibre all over the place :boxing:

I Read an interesting article (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A48833382) "Football with Formula One rules"

Poor old Leeds:lmfao:

I see that Schuey and Hamilton have spoken out against the new rule

Since the points system was changed during Schumacher dominated racing, the championship went down to the last race nearly every season.

Now we're in the situation where the championship can be decided just 1 race over half-way, a racer may shunt someone else off 'accidently' (think Schumacher/Hill) if they know a non-finish for the other guy means they win the championship.

Touring cars has a good points system, maybe they should look at that.

Let's see if I've got this right. Season comprises (say) 12 races. Mario Iceacrema wins the first 7 races and Mike Fortesque is second in 7 races. Everyone pack up and go home, game over! Is that right? :g:

Quote from: Doorman;269210Let's see if I've got this right. Season comprises (say) 12 races. Mario Iceacrema wins the first 7 races and Mike Fortesque is second in 7 races. Everyone pack up and go home, game over! Is that right? :g:

basically thats how it works, or not works as it happens....

thats why i beleive that increasing the points scored for winning a race would have had
the same effect as the rule change but have stopped the freak result you gave as your example :sideways:

but hey ho..... we will have to suck it and see how it all pans out :g:

Seems like they've saw sense.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7955790.stm

Looks like some of the diffuser/front wing modifications done by McLaren have shaved some time:
 
1. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:17.494 102
2. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:17.946 84

Hieki stopped on track, so there might be some reliability gremlins there, Naka with the fastest time overall by the looks :blink:
 
Testing is now over

Friday Practice:
 
all the guys with the suspect (:narnar:) diffusers are at the front, Good luck to them!
 
CANT WAIT :yahoo:
 
1. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:26.053 36
2. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:26.157 + 0.104 38
3. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:26.350 + 0.297 42
4. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:26.370 + 0.317 30
5. Button Brawn-Mercedes (B) 1:26.374 + 0.321 38
6. Glock Toyota (B) 1:26.443 + 0.390 42
7. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:26.560 + 0.507 33
8. Vettel Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:26.740 + 0.687 19
9. Sutil Force India-Mercedes (B) 1:27.040 + 0.987 29
10. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:27.064 + 1.011 35
11. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:27.204 + 1.151 32
12. Alonso Renault (B) 1:27.232 + 1.179 28
13. Fisichella Force India-Mercedes (B) 1:27.282 + 1.229 32
14. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:27.317 + 1.264 34
15. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:27.398 + 1.345 36
16. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:27.479 + 1.426 36
17. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:27.802 + 1.749 35
18. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:27.813 + 1.760 31
19. Piquet Renault (B) 1:27.828 + 1.775 35
20. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:28.076 + 2.023 33
 
 
So who's your money on then guys at this early stage?

Woohoo!!!  :yahoo:
Huge congrats to the Brawn team, and to Button and Barrichello.
I haven't been so excited by a new season since I don't know when...Shame about Vettel and Kubica, but that's motor racing. Really looking forward to Sepang. :dribble:

I do hope that's not a result you're woohooing about. :eyebrow:

thought the coverage was good, although still not convinced jordan should be there, he keeps harping on about some right old crap sometimes.
 
other than that good, now bbc do us a favour and get it on hd

It's bernie not the bbc which is the HD problem.
 
must say great race, nice work Jenson . But Lewis still gets my tip for the title:boxing:

Toyota is under Investigation:
 
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74043
 
Well done Brawn team, Jenson was flawless and Rubens was, well, lucky :lmfao:
 
Have to admit though, I thought they would be quicker going by the qualifying :g:

It seems as if the 'Spoilers' gadget doesn't work. :angry: Thanks guys.

werent me boss

Quote from: sulky_uk;270505werent me boss

For once, you're innocent. :D

Sorry ron. but you shouldn't be suck a lazy git and watch it live like the rest of us :norty:
 
 
anyway Lewis snuck 3rd :roflmao:

My apologies too.
 
I think Toyota got played by McLaren, I mean, Lewis wasn't going to take his place back in the fear of getting penalied, so in theory they could of both stopped on the track.........you can imagine it.....after you...no no, you go on.....nooooo, I insist, :lmfao:

Despite know the result, it was a terrific race to watch. Loads of action! Brawn had better make the most of the glory...'cos it won't last. :)

Quote from: Doorman;270522Despite know the result, it was a terrific race to watch. Loads of action! Brawn had better make the most of the glory...'cos it won't last. :)

Likely true, but may be a few races in before the other teams improve their cars due to lack of testing.

As for race exctitment, was good but didn't think it any more xciting that last years.
Last year the race was also won by the leader from the start so no difference there.

Check out the BBC red button for some classic Monaco races, some serious nostalga with Murray and James.

Or the online version: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/05/classic_monaco_grand_prix_high.html

1982 monaco race, patrese's in the lead and then spins out of the 2nd to last lap,  now in 6th, race over.....well no.......... patrese still won cause on the last 2 laps all the guys in front spun out and he crossed the line.............what a race

I remember Mansell hounding Senna around there but not being able to pass.

I have not seen this posted, so I thought I would add it to this thread.  I found it quite gob-smacking and I was one of the people who assumed that the FIA and Ferrari were in cahoots, but the degree to which they are/were amazed me.

Ferrari Must Play Fair or Go (Times Online) (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6313337.ece)

Quote from: Times Online, Edward Gorman, Motor Racing CorrespondentOf one thing we can be sure. Formula One is desperately in need of new management. The present crisis in the sport, over an attempt by the FIA to introduce budget capping on the teams, has incidentally revealed details of a secret agreement it holds with Ferrari that should have no place in any professional sport.

Everyone has known for years that Ferrari, who are tomorrow launching a legal action in Paris against the governing body to try to stop the budget cap, has special treatment in Formula One. The Italian luxury sports car manufacturer is regarded by both Bernie Ecclestone, the sport's commercial rights-holder and Max Mosley, the FIA president, as the goose that lays Formula One's golden eggs, giving the championship a touch of class, glamour and historical continuity.

It is for this reason that when the Scuderia wins the manufacturers' world championship it is paid £55 million more than any other team, something that would be utterly untenable in any other sport.

Imagine Chelsea having a special deal with the FA under which they were paid tens of millions of pounds more than Manchester United or Arsenal for winning the Premier League - the notion would be laughed out of court.

Over the last two weeks, however, another more secret deal in Ferrari's favour has emerged in the course of the budget-capping row, but this time it is not with Ecclestone, but with the FIA. It appears that when the Italian team abandoned a breakaway move in 2004-05 by team bosses fed up with being starved of income by Ecclestone and returned to the FIA fold, not only did Ecclestone agree special financial arrangements for them, Mosley agreed to Ferrari having an exclusive veto over changes to the technical rules in the sport.

In other words, Ferrari would be able to stop anything they did not like or changes which they might suspect could be advantageous to their competitors or moves in technical directions which either did not suit their cars or the abilities of their designers and engineers. Ferrari could thus decide exactly how far apart the goalposts should be in what is supposed to be the world's pinnacle series in motor sport. Once again, any analogy with other sports underlines just how indefensible this arrangement is. Imagine the English cricket team having a secret deal with the ICC allowing them to veto any changes in the rules when this is not available to Pakistan, Australia or South Africa?

It is just possible to see why Ecclestone, as the commercial driving force behind the global business that is Formula One, might be allowed to vary payments to teams of differing circumstances - just. It is an altogether different case when it is the governing body itself that has chosen to favour one team against all the others in a deal which it has never admitted to up until now. The FIA is supposed to be an impartial, independent, rule-making body that sets a level playing field for all teams competing in Formula One. With this cosy backroom deal with Ferrari it has completely abandoned all those principles and cannot claim that it has acted with impartiality. Furthermore, there is no possible excuse for such favouritism; if Ferrari did not want to play in Formula One except on its own terms, Mosley should have shown the team the door, not indulged them.

The upshot is that in the French capital tomorrow Ferrari are going to the civil courts to apply for an injunction stopping Mosley introducing radical cost-cutting measures for next year, which most of the other teams now favour, because the Italians believe their secret deal, which they should never have had in the first place, has been broken by the FIA.

According to Ferrari, if the FIA wanted to impose a £40 million budget cap, it should have presented its plans to Maranello first, where the Italians could have vetoed it if they did not like it.

An FIA official admitted today that the deal has been kept secret until now (it emerged during leaked correspondence between Mosley and Luca Di Montezemolo, the Ferrari president, in the course of the budget cap row). “I am not sure it is something that we have discussed (in public),” he said. He tried to defend it by arguing that the 2005 agreement was merely a continuation of a secret arrangement with Ferrari that had been in place for years - in other words Mosley had merely endorsed a fix which he should have scrapped.

If one good thing comes out of the present crisis in Formula One, it should be the end of the feather-bedding of Ferrari, once and for all. All teams should get their fair share of the financial pot in a transparent manner and no teams should ever be given a secret right of veto over how the sport is governed. If Ferrari do not want to play a fair game, they should go elsewhere, which they are threatening to do in any case. The problem with achieving this is that Mosley and Ecclestone have run the sport for years as a double act on the telephone which is largely unaccountable. Until both of them have gone, which is unlikely to happen in the near future, the backroom deals can be expected to continue and the sport will be the poorer for it.

My first instinct is to say "***k you,  Ferrari", but common sense kicks in and I think "***k you Ferrari". They have to realise that no-one is indispensible! :angry:

Eh, Formula 1 has been going downhill for the past 12 years IMO. It appears now it has hit rockbottom. I haven't followed an F1 season since... '98 or '99 and I don't think I have missed much. It has gone from being an exciting spectacle to just another boring sport to watch. And all this drama surrounding it doesn't do it much good, either.

Quote from: obsolum;277041Eh, Formula 1 has been going downhill for the past 12 years IMO. It appears now it has hit rockbottom. I haven't followed an F1 season since... '98 or '99 and I don't think I have missed much. It has gone from being an exciting spectacle to just another boring sport to watch. And all this drama surrounding it doesn't do it much good, either.

Im with Ob's on this one. F1 is rockbottom. Its pants. Monaco is still a real test of any driver and i really enjoy it, but as a race, its pants too. I'm sure Bernie Ecclescake and Max Mogley will manage to f... that up sooner or later as well.

Did anyone see the MotoGp today?(Mugello) I would put good money on the fact that there were more actual overtaking manouvers in todays three races than than F1 has had in the last three years in total. Seriously.
How many actual passing manouvers do you get in any F1 race? 6? 7 maybe If your lucky? Dont include the pits thing, im talking good old fashion racing. Look at Monaco. Did anyone actualy pass anyone under normal racing circumstances?
MotoGP'S Passini and Simoncelli (250's) passed each other around six times on the last lap.:flirty:
In the 125's, seven riders crossed the line close together but they had all changed positions by the first turn. The onscreen data was out of date before it appeared on my tv!!!:g: AND, im talking mid race, not at the start. Now that is racing.:yahoo:

F1 is all about money. Sure, the drivers are the best in the world and fair play to the guys, but the whole thing is a farce. The sooner the teams opt out of that idiot Ecclestone pocket, the better.

Oh, and one last thing. MotoGp cut the track time to 45 min's a session in a bid to cut costs. All the teams tried it for four meetings and found they didn't go alot on it so its back to the hour sessions. There was none of this 'do as i say because i own this game'. Dorna Sports or Ecclestone? I know who i would rather see at the helm of F1.

Rant over...

Quote from: Slider 46;277871Did anyone see the MotoGp today?(Mugello) I would put good money on the fact that there were more actual overtaking manouvers in todays three races than than F1 has had in the last three years in total. Seriously.
Now that is racing.:yahoo:

Rant over...

Excellent rant :D
The Italian MotoGp last weekend was as good as you say, exciting from start to finish and not just the big bikes. Changeable conditions made it better than usual. Didn't fall asleep watching, unlike Monaco when I  dozed off after a few laps:blink:

So much good motor sport I have no time to actually watch F1, even if I did want to:).

This weekend for example: 3x BTCC races at Oulton Park.  2x WTCC at Valencia and 2x races at Symmons Plains in the V8 Supercars.  Tintop overload, keep me going for a week that will  :D

Besides, bet you never saw this happen in F1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYO4yPmf5AI&feature=related :doh: :roflmao:

courtesy of last weeks WTCC

I have two problems:
1) I don't have a television
2) There's no racing on TV unless you pay tons of cash for some special channels :(
3) I have generally poor experiences with streaming stuff (bad quality etc)

But I agree with Seany, F1 isn't exactly top of my list..

Your right Seany, and you woudn't see anything like this either. They reckon this guy was doing about 120mph when it went wrong and about 80mph when it all came good.:clap::clap::clap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ep1osg6vQ

Quote from: Slider 46;277912Your right Seany, and you woudn't see anything like this either. They reckon this guy was doing about 120mph when it went wrong and about 80mph when it all came good.:clap::clap::clap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ep1osg6vQ

That link is not working for me - tried the beeb :D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/motorbikes/8076267.stm

And for my next trick......

Quote from: Slider 46;277912Your right Seany, and you woudn't see anything like this either. They reckon this guy was doing about 120mph when it went wrong and about 80mph when it all came good.:clap::clap::clap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ep1osg6vQ

Woah!:blink: best bike save ever.

Quote from: Seany;277921Woah!:blink: best bike save ever.

I don't know about that... :g: This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHWgzctrFdg) was a pretty nice save as well!

:blink: Unbelievable :blink::blink:

Quote from: Gnomie;2779092) There's no racing on TV unless you pay tons of cash for some special channels :(

Norwegian VIASAT 4 is sending 1 hour edited of every race sundays (raceday) at 1700 local. Its a free channel if you have it on your feed.

Better than nothing.

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3262_5377112,00.html

Slightly old, but I did not pick up on the diversionary effect of the April 29th" meeting which was used by Max Mosley to whistle through a technical rule change.  Sure, you can't say the other teams did not agree, but I am increasingly of the opinion that Mosley is a poisonous element in F1 that needs to be removed as soon as possible for the good of the sport.   Of course other poisonous elements will remina even with Mosley gone, but you have to believe there are better ways to run it that with a whip in hand....

Negotation, Mosley-style (http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5383618,00.html)

TL.

"they'd make an F1 team out of string and an old F3 chassis".
Now that would be entertaining. DMR-F1 anybody, i have the string and i vote Venca to drive:D

Quote from: TeaLeaf;279480Of course other poisonous elements will remina even with Mosley gone, but you have to believe there are better ways to run it that with a whip in hand....
TL.

Yes there are better ways. You could listen to what everybody actualy wants instead of listening to your own oversized greedy pocket. Can you imagine the top two Blokes in world football suddenly ruling that 'to save costs, we are only going to have 8 a side and 20 min's each way'?

Ive said it before... Break away from those F1 idiots and let Dorna sports have a go.
I dont know what you could call it but F1 couldnt really call itself F1 if another series had all the fastest cars and drivers in the world. No cars= no spectators= no sponsers= no money= no F1. Simples.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/fota-turn-to-dorna-sports-for-breakaway-series-7516.html

Did you read this allready ?
FOTA is leaving F1 and making a new series for next year! I think this is going for better now.

First english news I could find on it: http://www.ireland.com/sport/FOTA_breakaway_leaves_F_turmoil/maxi/fast/news/irnews/TMGf1newsmedia7500049

Quote from: Lexander;279692Did you read this allready ?
FOTA is leaving F1 and making a new series for next year! I think this is going for better now.

Thats made my day. You all know my view on F1 and this has been coming for a long time:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:. UP YOURS ECCLESTONE and Mosley, You've shot your golden goose, folks. I'd like to say "aww, unlucky" but i cant stop laughing.:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:


Im off to mothercare to buy some dummies and toys for the short fella's pram.This afternoons news is this....
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=46169

The sooner they get rid of MadMax the better! But it would be interesting to see this new F1, I would switch to watching that no problem, unless you have to pay to watch it on TV :thumbsdownsmileyani
 
Good luck to them!

Quote from: Snokio;279765The sooner they get rid of MadMax the better! But it would be interesting to see this new F1, I would switch to watching that no problem, unless you have to pay to watch it on TV :thumbsdownsmileyani
 
Good luck to them!

If they really get the new series more interesting than F1 is now I could even pay to watch it. And I'm on the same lines as you, get rid of those old farts who needs nazi-costume plays to get satisfaction out of life.

that gp1 or whatever it's called that pits countries against each other seems pretty good. far less politics, much more racing. But then, half of f1 is the politics! ...anyway, get rid of Max and Bernie, get a proper system in place that doesn't rely on the whims of grumpy old men with axes to grind, put in place sensible plans to reduce costs and even out earnings... can't be that hard can it? ...oh wait, the rights are all in the hands of grumpy old men with axes to grind. bugger

Quote from: suicidal_monkey;279880that gp1 or whatever it's called that pits countries against each other seems pretty good. far less politics, much more racing. But then, half of f1 is the politics! ...anyway, get rid of Max and Bernie, get a proper system in place that doesn't rely on the whims of grumpy old men with axes to grind, put in place sensible plans to reduce costs and even out earnings... can't be that hard can it? ...oh wait, the rights are all in the hands of grumpy old men with axes to grind. bugger

What he said.
Another voice of reason.
"can't be that hard can it?"

(unfortunatly im not resisting the urge to say MotoGP manage to do it)

When  I think about it, F1 has been in it's death throws for the last two or three years.  The pitiful and silly changes are indicative of people who have lost the plot and are desperately trying to do the right thing to save themselves - and failing.

Either the 'two grumpy old men' need to leave for a couple of youger bods (got any suggestions?) or a new 'F1' altogether (which looks more and more like happening).

I watched a replay of the British GP race today. That was the first Formula 1 race I've watched in a long time. TBH I was surprised in a positive way. People have been complaining about too little close action and too few passes this season, but it was pretty exciting and close at times. Especially towards the end, with Button. All in all an enjoyable race to watch! :)

But I was amazed at how great the difference was between #1, #2 and the rest of the field..! :g:

I thought it was processional twaddle once again, with only some close racing near the back.

"F1 breakaway prevented
Mosley and FOTA reach agreement in Paris"  

Boooooooooo! :ranting2:

http://msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12040_5398763,00.html

Come on, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. A lot more will have to happen before FOTA or anybody else really break away from F1. This was all just bluff right from the start and it wasn't the first time, either. These "threats" have been happening every now and then for years. They just pushed it a bit further than normally, this time.

the only supprise was it took this long to sort out.

so they are going back to the 1990's budget within 2 years.... anyone remember how much that was ?

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12538_5399348,00.html

QuoteIn view of this new agreement and with the prospect of a stable future for Formula One, FIA President Max Mosley has confirmed his decision not to stand for re-election in October this year

So that's what it cost.

Quote from: Jamin;280359So that's what it cost.

how much is that in pounds ?

Quote from: Jamin;280359http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12538_5399348,00.html

So that's what it cost.

Don't hold your breath, I recall Mosley mentioning he would not be up for re-election shortly after he was caught with Ms Whiplash :roflmao:

Quote from: delankster;280360how much is that in pounds ?

Depends on how much Flavio Briatore weighs.

Quote from: Jamin;280372Depends on how much Flavio Briatore weighs.

:lmfao:

Quote from: Lameduck;280364Don't hold your breath, I recall Mosley mentioning he would not be up for re-election shortly after he was caught with Ms Whiplash :roflmao:

Today he says (in a leaked letter to FOTA) "If you wish the agreement we made to have any chance of survival, you must rectify your actions,"
Mosley, who had said he would not stand for re-election in October, added that he now considered his "options open". :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

This whole F1 is going down to drain with things like these. It has been past few years already a mess, I still think that having a new series would be the best option.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/07/27/f1.massa.hungary.crash.condition/index.html#cnnSTCPhoto

How hard did it hit?  See picture 3, not one I have seen in the UK.

That level of damage on a carbon fibre helmet just leaves you speechless.  I sincerely hope he makes a full recovery.

TL.

wow, that some real massive damage indeed. So the spring did all that to the helmet??

Quote from: Luminance;284291wow, that some real massive damage indeed. So the spring did all that to the helmet??

yup it was travleing at 140mph apperently and massa was going at about 130mph BIG impact

Quote from: Snokio;247176Look at the new wing on the Williams :nope:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70778


Williams confirm Rosberg and Nakajima for 2009:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081002014830.shtml

even if they do have a new wing they are still terible

Gratz on replying to a 10 month old post.  Thread necromancy lives on in Gibboland.

Feck. Ouch. Fingers crossed for Massa, lets hope he makes it back to F1.

Remind me never to play Rubens Barrichello at Mario Kart :sideways:

Quote from: Tutonic;284360... Fingers crossed for Massa, lets hope he makes it back to F1.

I'm sure he'll bounce back.

:getmecoat:

...and there go BMW.  Not entirely unexpected given their dismal performance.  Quite rewarding actually to see Williams doing better given the trash they talked about Williams when they split with them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8173865.stm

TL.

How low can you go? :ranting2:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8258987.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8258987.stm)

Quote from: Lameduck;289939How low can you go? :ranting2:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8258987.stm

It's the world we live in...

Quote from: TeaLeaf;284337Gratz on replying to a 10 month old post.  Thread necromancy lives on in Gibboland.

I reckon this was a misplaced post??


I don't think it can go any lower, but I won't be suprised if they out how :doh:

Quote from: Luminance;289979I reckon this was a misplaced post??

Very wierd.

Quote from: Luminance;289979I reckon this was a misplaced post??
 

Think it's in reference to Gibbo quoting my post back from October 08 :g:
 
To those who were wondering, The championship standings will not be affected because any championship that closes on 30th November of that year, nothing can be contested after that date.
 
One of the guys on the Alfa forum works for Renault F1, he's not sure about the future, he will only know more on Monday, but he could loose his job (as many others) over this.

Alonso at Mclaren and there's a scandal, Alonso moves to Renault and there's a scandal, there's no way he knew nothing about it. They should replace the F1 theme tune with the one from eastenders.

I'm sad that Flavio has gone though, he along with Bernie always made me chuckle.

Never liked him, but entertaining yes :lmfao:
 
full FIA evidence / dossier:
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-1213688/REVEALED-The-dossiers-evidence-going-Nelson-Piquet-crash-gate-hearing.html

Flavio wanted to be the next Max Mosley - I can see now how he would have been an ideal replacement :flirty:

Quote from: Jamin;290007Alonso at Mclaren and there's a scandal, Alonso moves to Renault and there's a scandal, there's no way he knew nothing about it. They should replace the F1 theme tune with the one from eastenders.

Or maybe... 'Another one(two) bites the dust'...

Big congratulations to Jenson Button and Brawn for the double World Championship titles. Worthy winners.  :thumbsupsmileyanim:

Indeed, good fun season to watch.

that first few laps today was fantastic, probably the moest enjoyable laps i have watched in quite a while

well deserved! Well done! :yahoo:
 
Great race, great season! (so far :D)