I'm posting this as I'm a little uncertain about the difference. Well that's not exactly true. I'm fully on board with the forum badges but it's the -=[dMw]=- tag that has me a little confused. Am I right in thinking that the right to use the tag in CS:S, COD4 etc is no longer through simply being an active member of the general community? Is it now something that is given exclusivly by the Section Heads?
For example I very occasionally come onto the CS:S servers. I would always appear as -=[dMw]=-smilodon, by virtue of being a Charlie member. I'll be buying L4D very soon and again would use my 'clan tag' for that. However as it stands I'm not a regular CS:S player and have not done anything to support or promote the section. So I'm assuming I would have to remove the -=[dMw]=- and play as just smilodon.
I get the idea of a -=[dMw]=- tag not granting a -=[dMr]=- tag as they are completely different games. But if I had a -=[dMw]=- tag for CS:S then I'd have to remove if I wanted to play the odd game of COD4?
Have I got this right or am I being thick? In my defence I don't think the staus of the clan tag is that clear. It seems to have a few forum members a little confused. Or I've simply missed some crucial forum announcement :doh:
In your example you would be entitled to use the tag in CS and you would have the little CS icon. For me it's not about how active you are in a particular game but how you play on the occasions you do play CS. This would be the same for anyone in Charlie now that has earned their Charlie status while playing CS (even OldBloke :flirty:).
As far as my understanding goes, if you were not awarded the CoD4 tag by Arm, then you would need to play without the dMw| before your name on CoD4.
Quote from: Whitey;252780In your example you would be entitled to use the tag in CS and you would have the little CS icon. For me it's not about how active you are in a particular game but how you play on the occasions you do play CS. This would be the same for anyone in Charlie now that has earned their Charlie status while playing CS (even OldBloke :flirty:).
As far as my understanding goes, if you were not awarded the CoD4 tag by Arm, then you would need to play without the dMw| before your name on CoD4.
Perfect answer Whitey ... but I'm watching you :flirty:
This needs more clarification .
Ron, for instance your post :
Quote from: Doorman;252813I was under the impression the 'steenkin' padges' simply denote the games that you DO play. I don't play WoW so I wouldn't expect the 'padge' That doesn't mean that IF I wanted to play WoW (or any other s*dding game) I wouldn't be able to 'dMw' up, so to speak. However, I DO play LFS, CS:S and CoD4. I post a lot of crap in the forum so I hope I get a forum 'padge'. I've been to loads of LANs so....etc. Another 'however' if I decide to dip my toe into...(name the game) and don't like it, I wouldn't expect a 'padge' for that game.
That doesn't mean I'm a bad person
If I reread that I wont post it so 'click'
You have just done a complete about face on what you said before. You strongly said that you didn't want people rocking up to the racing server and to wear the dMr tag just cos they are Charlie members and that you would give it only to people you felt deserved it.Whitey said he didn't want racers turning up to the CS servers sporting the CS:S tag.
I've deleted a couple of posts from that thread cause, frankly, it making us look like a complete pack of disorganised twats.
Lets finalise once and for all WHAT we're going to do and HOW we're going to achieve it .
We need to sort out 1. badges 2. in-game tags.
It was the Game Section Admins that started this issue of cross-tagging not me. YOU guys sort it out and decide how you want the in game tags to work.
PEN
This was all agreed at the LAN meeting. If it's not right and you guys want to change it then fine but do it here and don't just do an about face in a public forum .... that's just bang out of order.Quote from: Penfold;250552
3. Tags
To differentiate between the games it was decided to implement a system of icons under the person’s name in the forum. These would include individual gaming tags (LFS, COD, CS:, WoW) as well as a Community tag for good forums use, LAN tag for attendees and a subscriber tag for those people who donate. The LAN and Subscriber Tag will be renewable on an annual basis. Someone suggested Section Admins have their own tag for Section Admins and one for Game admins.
This gives the membership something tangible to aim for as well as hoping to push donations. People will want to collect the tags as a prestige badge of honour (kinda like virtual ASBO’s!).
Once a Section Admin has decided a player is suitable then the tag will be awarded.
Golden Badge: Once a member has collected 1. Any game tag 2. A Community tag 3. Either a Subscriber or a LAN Attendee tag, then they will be awarded a FULL COMMUNITY badge. These people are tops!
I still agree with what was decided at the LAN. I think we need to just clarify that people who have been awarded the tag/badge by any of the Section heads on a dMw game will be fast tracked on any other dMw game.
For example: If someone has the dMr tag, then I know they are a mature level headed person. If they decide to play CS and have a grasp of the TCS rules then they would be awarded the CS tag/badge, no waiting for 3/6 months.
If I remember we discuss this but I'm not sure what the general consenus was on it.
http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=252903&postcount=100
Quote from: Blunt;252903The answer is then, that if I wanted to try my hand at driving on our dMr server I should wear my CSS -=[dMw]=- tag and all my comrades would know that I was a community member and a racing n00b.
Likewise, if a dMr tries out CSS with that tag, we would all be in the picture.
It happens occasionally with some SoG'ers, they wore that tag on our CSS server and we were all happy.
:2cents:
I'm happy with it so long as it's not confusing for someone joining our servers to potentially see 4 different tags in use.
Thoughts?
PEN
It is difficult. I would prefer that no tag is worn at all but I can see how the members feel that they should advertise that they are dMw.
What about a generic dMw tag that says 'I have a tag for another game but not for this one?" :g:
Nope. Changed my mind. No tag. Let them earn it or go without.
Quote from: OldBloke;252909It is difficult. I would prefer that no tag is worn at all but I can see how the members feel that they should advertise that they are dMw.
What about a generic dMw tag that says 'I have a tag for another game but not for this one?" :g:
Nope. Changed my mind. No tag. Let them earn it or go without.
Although BB thinks differently (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=252905&postcount=101). :doh:
Quote from: OldBloke;252914Although BB thinks differently (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=252905&postcount=101). :doh:
Likewise.
Quote from: Doorman;252915Likewise.
Let's hear your idea then.
Quote from: OldBloke;252914Although BB thinks differently (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=252905&postcount=101). :doh:
I think differently because, at the end of the day, I feel we are a community first and people that play different games second.
Consequently, you could be long standing badge holder of one game who might like the occasional dabble at another game, I wouldn't expect to wear that badge but I would expect to be able to wear something that shows I am a community member, otherwise I'm just some other bloke on the server
We agreed this at the LAN. because of the DMR'er and the WOW'ers. Even though I have no problem with CS'ers and DMr's wearing the COD tag.
But we need to give it a try.
:frusty::rant::hug2:
I have no problem with people thinking differently but, please, keep the debate in this section and not in open forum.
If the majority decision made here is that no tags are to be worn then we already have two Section Heads saying otherwise in open forum.
A decision on how we would progress the community was made at the LAN and agreed by everyone there. Please make sure that you do not convey a different message while we struggle to even get the basic message across.
:withstupid: Please
I don't really care about the answer more than the fact that when we announce it we we have to present a united front lest we seem like a bunch of incompetent idiots. Collective Responsibility and all that.
You guys decide the details and I'll happily tow the party line.
PEN
Quote from: OldBloke;252926I have no problem with people thinking differently but, please, keep the debate in this section and not in open forum.
If the majority decision made here is that no tags are to be worn then we already have two Section Heads saying otherwise in open forum.
A decision on how we would progress the community was made at the LAN and agreed by everyone there. Please make sure that you do not convey a different message while we struggle to even get the basic message across.
Seems to me that there is so much confusion that I wonder if anything that was debated at the LAN should be accepted?
If this was debated and decided then FFS the Section Heads should have agreed by now what we are going to do.
We did agree this at the LAN and the majority of those present still feel it's so.
TL, OB, Whitey, Armitage, myself, Gandy (I guess) and Sheepy (I guess) have not changed our stance. It's only Ron that has changed his stand afaik
No one bothered to query any of this two weeks ago when the minutes were posted up. I know, let's decide to query it just when it's being implemented - yup, that's a great idea and really makes us look like we know our s*it :eyebrow:
If the admins can't agree and move forward as one then we'll never sell it to the Community.
PEN
FWIW, I think Blunt's idea has merit and think it's a good workaround and may certainly ease some of the opposition we're facing. I *think* we briefly discussed that option at the LAN meeting but decided that it was not good to have potentially 3 sets of people all wearing different tags on one server. That said, it may be a small price to pay to move things forward.
This was discussed at the LAN and agreed as 'let them earn it' but here's my 2 cents.
I'd prefer to run with no tag rather than a mixed bag of tags. Again the cross-game thing comes along and it is not be possible for all games to show other another game's tag. Frnakly I think it would look extremely messy if we had a range of different tags on the one game server. A generic 'I belong to dMw' tag then hits problems with not all games being able to use it. If we want a consistent policy applied across all games then this is a problem we need to face, which brings us back to Oldie's comments about 'let them earn it'. We want this place to be special. Let's keep the standard's up?
TL.
Quote from: Penfold;252940There wasn't any confusion until the goal posts were moved this morning by Ron's post.
The minutes state we would use icons, it says nothing about game tags, you can see from that the confusion starts early.
Although we, the admins have had had our say there are many posts regarding concerns people have that they will no longer be identified as part of the community.
I'm not knocking your minutes Pen but I am concerned at how the minutes are being/have been interpreted.
This is a community, if people feel they are not being recognised as part of that community then they are going to leave faster than we can recruit them and that is going to **** all over Whiteys effort to recruit more people!!!!!!
Quote from: BlueBall;252949The minutes state we would use icons, it says nothing about game tags, you can see from that the confusion starts early.
They were really talked about as one as the same tbh. Perhaps I could have made the wordage clearer but the intent was always the same.
Quote from: BlueBall;252949I'm not knocking your minutes Pen but I am concerned at how the minutes are being/have been interpreted.
Knock them all you like - it's not something I do very often and don't plan to earn a living from it ;). I don't think anyone who was present would agree that the minutes are being interpreted as anything other than how it was discussed we would proceed?
Quote from: BlueBall;252949Although we, the admins have had had our say there are many posts regarding concerns people have that they will no longer be identified as part of the community.
We've stated our intentions and they've raised their concerns. I think we need to listen to, and address, that somehow.
PEN
We had a two hour meeting where it was agreed and understood by everyone there that a forum badge/icon awarded by the Section Head would determine the permission to wear the tag. Ironically, I was probably the last person to be persuaded that it was the right way to go but, the decision having been made, I am now fully behind it and I will ensure that it is implemented.
We now have no option but to adopt the idea of wearing a tag that identifies a dMw member who holds a gaming badge but not for the game being played.
That tag will be: .dMw
The tag will be placed after the player's name i.e. OldBloke.dMw
If the game does not support the fullstop character then it can be replaced, in order, by ...
an underscore: OldBloke_dMw
a hyphen: OldBloke-dMw
a space: OldBloke dMw
This eliminates any complications around "Which of my tags should I wear when I play X"
So if Lee (who, in this example, has a badge for both CSS and CoD4) wants to try LFS he would join with the name of Lee.dMw
This lets every dMr tag wearer on the server know that here's a member of Dead Men Walking who has been awarded a badge in a game other than one supported by Dead Men Racing. It will be a beacon to Doorman and his team of admins that here's a dMw member who knows all about the dMw ethos and who might be looking to achieve his Dead Men Racing badge.
I'm sure that will address people's concerns about not being able to cross-tag (and given the strength of feelings people have expressed I think we had no alternative but to come up with a compromise and tweak our original proposal).
Looks fine to me.
PEN
Ps. Now, is everyone willing to get behind this so we can move on as one?
Quote from: OldBloke;252961That tag will be: .dMw
/bows in the presence of a genius :thumbsup2:
That sounds like a fair compromise to me.
Quote from: smilodon;252981/bows in the presence of a genius :thumbsup2:
:withstupid: Good plan :clap: