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Title: NetKar server
Post by: vobler on December 31, 2008, 12:58:44 PM
Ron

I think I have found the reason when the server hangs.

When I was in a race (alone) and pressing the next session command, nothing happens. Only the text that said new session commanded was shown. No qualy started... I suspect that if I leave the server in that state it never recovers. The only command I have found that recovers is the restart command. Restarts to session one.

Try it and see if this might be a bug.

Doing the same from qually works as expected. Race starts after wait time.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on December 31, 2008, 05:07:44 PM
:g: This needs looking into. Several times I restarted sessions with no problem. We'll have a play with it.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 01, 2009, 11:24:35 AM
As far as I can make out, it looks as though if you press restart or 'next session on their own, nothing happens. You have to press 'next session' then 'restart' Or something....I fiddled with it but didn't get a hang. Maybe it was waiting for the next command.

Anyway, today's track is 10 laps of Snetterton (watch the chicane into the home straight!) :norty:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: vobler on January 01, 2009, 12:59:22 PM
Quote from: Doorman;256611As far as I can make out, it looks as though if you press restart or 'next session on their own, nothing happens. You have to press 'next session' then 'restart' Or something....I fiddled with it but didn't get a hang. Maybe it was waiting for the next command.

Anyway, today's track is 10 laps of Snetterton (watch the chicane into the home straight!) :norty:

Restart is a separate command. That command restarts the whole server sequence wit practice, qually and race etc. Whatever you set up.

Next session should go to next session in that sequence. It works from qually to race, but not from race to qually, if thats the setup you have.

Is it stuck now? If so, I did it. By selecting next session from a race and disconnecting afterwards. Maybe it will reset itself after some timeout, I don't know. But there is a bug there.

Edit: yeah- Seems to be stuck
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 01, 2009, 02:23:40 PM
We'll have to keep out fingers off the trigger until it's sorted then. I'll report it.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: vobler on January 01, 2009, 02:55:45 PM
Quote from: Doorman;256628I'll report it.

That was what I wanted. But you sounded like there was no issue to report so I tried once more....
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 01, 2009, 03:50:57 PM
Quote from: vobler;256631That was what I wanted. But you sounded like there was no issue to report so I tried once more....
Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. I simply meant that we shouldn't mess with it until it's fixed. :rolleyes: Did you have a good new year celebration?
Title: NetKar server
Post by: vobler on January 01, 2009, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: Doorman;256643Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. I simply meant that we shouldn't mess with it until it's fixed. :rolleyes: Did you have a good new year celebration?

Yeah I have had a good celebration. You know. A nice dinner, sending up some fireworks, have a dram, kiss the wife. That sort of thing. All good mate.
:3cheers:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 02, 2009, 09:46:08 AM
On that bombshell I'll announce a day of.....MONACO! You think South city barriers are tough? Don't try taking liberties with this baby! :norty:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 02, 2009, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: Doorman;256721On that bombshell I'll announce a day of.....MONACO! You think South city barriers are tough? Don't try taking liberties with this baby! :norty:


Good lord.  There will be less finishers than normal, and that's saying something!

 I've got right into the FF's since 1.03, but this is a place where i definitely prefer the benefit of wings :)

 Practice time....
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Itchy on January 02, 2009, 01:12:27 PM
Oh my giddy aunt.......
As if life wasn't hard enough
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 02, 2009, 05:30:35 PM
Insane combo!    I've never done Monaco in 1600 before...what a blast!  Big grins all round :D
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 02, 2009, 08:06:44 PM
We've also got F2000 at Spa. :)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 03, 2009, 10:32:26 AM
I'm going to make my server passworded(same as usual) but post in other forums how to get it. The LFS wrecker syndrome is raising it's head and spoiling some very good racing. Can't have that can we? :eyebrow:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Itchy on January 03, 2009, 10:35:10 AM
Monaco very very hard at first, I had to approach it in a completely different way to any other track I've driven. Actually managed a race distance once, even though I tagged a barrier in the opening lap :doh: Still, an interesting experience, would try it again.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: vobler on January 03, 2009, 11:33:16 AM
Quote from: Doorman;256810We've also got F2000 at Spa. :)

Is that a new version like 104 or something? On the server list it says 20 users. nKp normally only allows 15 in a race.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 03, 2009, 11:35:54 AM
Quote from: vobler;256864Is that a new version like 104 or something? On the server list it says 20 users. nKp normally only allows 15 in a race.

No, that's Ron beta testing a little app and finding a flaw :)    Still a max of 15 im afraid.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 03, 2009, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: The Moose;256866No, that's Ron beta testing a little app and finding a flaw :)    Still a max of 15 im afraid.
It's back to 15. Test complete. :)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 06, 2009, 09:35:19 AM
The F1600 server is today on FULLMODE :norty: I have no idea what the experience is like so go with the flow people. :D
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 06, 2009, 10:32:54 AM
Quote from: Doorman;257435The F1600 server is today on FULLMODE :norty: I have no idea what the experience is like so go with the flow people. :D

That's brave Ron :)  You have to treat it exactly as you would in real life.....


A few tips guys.    
 You can only load a new setup in the wait time between sessions.  Load the set you wish to use in a track day session before joining the server.

In qual make sure you have enough fuel for your inlap as well as your hotlaps.  You must drive back to your pit stall.  DONT escape to the pits....long penalty.  

 If you click on something in the setup screen that takes a long time to change you can return it to its original value to stop the timer.

  Never crash!

Warning.  Full Mode makes iRacing look like it has arcade features:)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: vobler on January 06, 2009, 10:50:23 AM
Quote from: Doorman;257435The F1600 server is today on FULLMODE :norty: I have no idea what the experience is like so go with the flow people. :D

Thats something I have been looking forward to!
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Itchy on January 06, 2009, 04:26:46 PM
This is going to be a very interesting evening, and like Vobler, it's something
I've been waiting for. Looking forward to it.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 06, 2009, 04:31:04 PM
It's not as scary as it sounds. Not if you're used to having no information except what you see on the road and on your pitboard. :norty: TAB assigned to a wheel button now looks like a good idea. :)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: lovretta on January 06, 2009, 04:43:31 PM
I see you are having loads of fun today on DMR server :)

I want some... Me at work :crying:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 06, 2009, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: lovretta;257480I see you are having loads of fun today on DMR server :)

I want some... Me at work :crying:
Get back to work! Stop bothering us while we're having fun. :lmfao:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 06, 2009, 05:06:21 PM
Proper racing !   Thanks for going full mode Ron, i hope it will be a regular occurrence.

 Nope, its not scary at all.  You just treat it like you would if you were doing it for real :)

 The rewrite of the collision code cant come soon enough though.  That was an epic battle between Dave,Juha and myself until it came to an abrupt end when no bloody contact was made :(

  It's weird.... on some servers (SRP for instance) i've had proper wheel to wheel contact and its been fine, on others you cant get within 10 inches of someone.

 I'm not blaming the server in any way Ron,  but its a bit weird.  You seem to be able to get closer to people on higher bandwidth servers.  May be purely coincidental though.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 06, 2009, 05:14:16 PM
It may be an idea to make Dead Men Racing 2 (more bandwidth than you can shake a stick at) a full mode server. For me, full mode is the only way. If it's a sim, let's SIM! :yahoo:
Leave the F1600 server in toy mode eh? :) That server is only there until every dMr man that is going to, gets the full sim anyway
Title: NetKar server
Post by: lovretta on January 06, 2009, 05:24:49 PM
Put them all in full mode :) It may be a weapon against wreckers...

Stuart, nice laptime there. Setup maybe :norty: (maybe I will like it :narnar:)

No i ain't going back to work. NKP fault. Even tough I don't have it here it still occupies me :woot2:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 06, 2009, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: lovretta;257485Stuart, nice laptime there. Setup maybe :norty:

sure.... oh hang on..no attachments allowed?

 Ill post it in the lastplace 1.03 test sets thread :)

http://www.lastplace-racing.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=385&pid=13796#pid13796

 You might want to lengthen the final gear ratio by one more click.   It will easily do better than the time I've got so far with a bit of tweaking.   You might need to change the steering ratio, its set up for a 270 degree wheel.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 06, 2009, 07:25:06 PM
Quote from: Doorman;257484It may be an idea to make Dead Men Racing 2 (more bandwidth than you can shake a stick at


I see its still set up at 80KB/s though...  (which according to the manual may be correct)   How about a little experiment and up it a lot (say 300KB/s)if you have the bandwidth to spare :)  

I see the SRP servers are set up at a ridiculous rate.  If you went by the way the manual says then they must have the fattest pipe in Europe!  ( I cant be arsed to do the maths but it looks wrong to me.)  Yet things seem really smooth and i have been involved in no dodgy collisions on them. not with lowish ping racers anyway)

 Gotta eat then i'll be on.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 06, 2009, 08:38:14 PM
DMR 1 now on 300KB/s and DMR 2 on 60?   Have you got that the wrong way round fella ? :P
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 06, 2009, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: The Moose;257516DMR 1 now on 300KB/s and DMR 2 on 60?   Have you got that the wrong way round fella ? :P
No. :narnar:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 06, 2009, 10:02:35 PM
Quote from: The Moose;257516DMR 1 now on 300KB/s and DMR 2 on 60?   Have you got that the wrong way round fella ? :P
No. :narnar:
Little history lesson. Dead Men Walking host all of our servers CS:S LFS, CoD4, Left 4 Dead and whatever is flavour of the month.
I started the Dead Men Racing nKP server on my own because...:)
When interest was shown, it was felt to be a good thing for dMw to host a nKP server. That's how it became DMR 2. But, as it is the biggest, fattest server it should be designated Dead Men Racing and my homey little server is now in it's correct place of #2 (we all know what #2 is don't we? :norty:)
DMR 2 will now be used as a backup, as is my LFS #2
For the time being we'll run the F1600 and when a few other dMr guys cough up â,¬37, we'll run it along the lines of LFS i.e. a different combo per week. Who knows, maybe a long race evening.
How's that? :)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 06, 2009, 10:36:59 PM
Quote from: Doorman;257527How's that? :)
Lovely. :)    

I'm an expert in confusion:doh:  and i haven't even touched a drop of booze either :D
(actually that's I lie. I have now, but i hadn't at the time)

I had the horrible  "crash into nothing" situation earlier though.  Obviously a weird bug that one.  Very rare, but a right pita when it happens.
Note to self:-  STFU and just race....  :D
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Itchy on January 06, 2009, 10:54:18 PM
A longer race evening would be a very good idea, when combined with full mode. Full mode certainly makes you approach your racing differently as there is no safety net if mistakes are made. You certainly can't have an incident at the first corner, escape back to the pits, fix your car, and rejoin, and only lose half a lap! A different combo every week as well (FF1800 at Monaco makes me shudder, but what the hey) can only improve things IMHO. How about a 25 lap race at aviano inter1 just to test the water?
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Mattesa on January 12, 2009, 09:31:31 PM
Just dropping by for a quick hello.  Registered to join in on the NKP servers.  I'm the same Mattesa from the LFS forums.

Cheers!
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 12, 2009, 10:04:08 PM
Quote from: Mattesa;258392Just dropping by for a quick hello.  Registered to join in on the NKP servers.  I'm the same Mattesa from the LFS forums.

Cheers!
Welcome mate. Make yourself at home. :) Are you still in demo mode? We are getting our share of plonkers but hopefully that'll even out a bit. What's your name in nKP?
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Mattesa on January 13, 2009, 12:12:12 AM
On NKP I'm "M. Lucky" from Canada.  I am still a demo user, but a well behaved one, so don't worry. :D Thanks for the welcome!
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Gnomie on January 16, 2009, 05:12:43 PM
I see the server is now set to run the Falkenberg track. However it appears that the .rar archive for this track is corrupted ATM. I tried installing it, but it gave me a bunch of error messages. Could anyone else check if it works for them? Here (http://www.lastplace-racing.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=30&func=showdown&id=21) is the download link from Lastplace Racing.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 16, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
That's where Deetz and  I and presumably Scratchy got it from and we were all on it last night. Download it again maybe?
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Gnomie on January 16, 2009, 07:09:33 PM
I tried one of the alternative download links (the Badongo one) and now it works! :) The megaupload link appears to be the one with the corrupted archive.

See you online!
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 18, 2009, 01:32:09 AM
Spa francorchamps for the next couple days. I didn't think F1600s would be any good round here....WRONG! :woot2:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: obsolum on January 20, 2009, 08:03:50 PM
Alright, because I was getting a bit bored with LFS a couple days ago I went and downloaded the nKPro demo. Man, this is something else. Took me quite a while before I managed to complete a lap without crashing on Spa (only track that I really know). Anyway, I changed the G25 settings in profiler using the settings Ron so kindly provided in the other thread and it feels a bit better now. I'm still learning and driving nowhere near the limit, constantly afraid of losing it. The car seems so fragile!

Anyway, I thought I'd join the dMr server to do some laps but I don't see any servers in the server list. Is there something that I need to configure before I can retrieve a list of servers or something? Or possibly a specific port that I need to open up/forward in my router settings?
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 20, 2009, 08:36:27 PM
Quote from: obsolum;259642Alright, because I was getting a bit bored with LFS a couple days ago I went and downloaded the nKPro demo. Man, this is something else. Took me quite a while before I managed to complete a lap without crashing on Spa (only track that I really know). Anyway, I changed the G25 settings in profiler using the settings Ron so kindly provided in the other thread and it feels a bit better now. I'm still learning and driving nowhere near the limit, constantly afraid of losing it. The car seems so fragile!

Anyway, I thought I'd join the dMr server to do some laps but I don't see any servers in the server list. Is there something that I need to configure before I can retrieve a list of servers or something? Or possibly a specific port that I need to open up/forward in my router settings?
Click refresh or put 77.108.129.45:9500 in the add server box. Have you looked for a setup? There are lots for the F1600
I'm going on now after a bit of faffinf with network cards etc. :sideways:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: obsolum on January 20, 2009, 08:41:44 PM
Thanks. Yeah, I got a setup for Spa. I only found one, though, at that site you mentioned in the stickied thread. I'll join ya for a few laps. I don't suppose you can chat like you can in LFS? Can't join Ventrilo now, too much background noise :sad:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: obsolum on January 20, 2009, 08:56:55 PM
Did the server fall over? I can still see the 2 other servers fine, but not yours.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Gnomie on January 20, 2009, 09:37:10 PM
I know there's been some issues with the server not showing up in the list for some. Ron has the details, I dunno what's causing it. But the direct IP adress he provided should work I guess..?

Glad you like netKar! Nice to see more people "join the dark side". :D
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 20, 2009, 10:19:27 PM
nK Rank is only showing 18 servers online.  Usually it 26-30.  I don't see the DMR servers listed either.   Looks like something has fallen over.  Probably due to there being over 60 people online *gasps*

 Watch out Obsolum, it gets addictive :)

EDIT  cant be 60 people online.. it's showing 44 on one server:roflmao:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: obsolum on January 20, 2009, 10:32:07 PM
How come I'm only seeing 5 servers then? Of which only 1 has people on. Earlier I could see the dMr server when I added the ip address, and I could join it, but I'd immediately get "server not responding". I tried several times, always same result. I managed to join once and drive for a couple hundred meters before I got "Connection Lost". My connection is fine, however.

Anyway, been doing some offline laps. My best on Spa so far is a 2:52:167. How does that compare to you guys? Seeing as I've only been practising for an hour or so, I'd be 5 to 10 seconds off pace. That about correct?

EDIT: I'm guessing because I'm in Demo mode I'm only seeing the Demo servers? That explains the small online population.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 20, 2009, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: obsolum;259672Anyway, been doing some offline laps. My best on Spa so far is a 1:52:167. How does that compare to you guys? Seeing as I've only been practising for an hour or so, I'd be 5 to 10 seconds off pace. That about correct?

EDIT: I'm guessing because I'm in Demo mode I'm only seeing the Demo servers? That explains the small online population.

True, you will only see the demo servers.  Though you might need to hit refresh a  few times (really quickly 5 or 6 times seems to work best) to see all available servers.  The lobby is badly bugged still.

 Top times for Spa in the 1600 are 2.39's
Title: NetKar server
Post by: obsolum on January 20, 2009, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: The Moose;259674Top times for Spa in the 1600 are 2.39's
2.39? :sad: Damn I've got a long way to go then. Are any of the dMr guys running (close to) those times, though? :)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 20, 2009, 11:43:25 PM
Quote from: obsolum;2596752.39? :sad: Damn I've got a long way to go then. Are any of the dMr guys running (close to) those times, though? :)
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:  I've managed a 2.46:32 and my eyes were popping out at that!
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 21, 2009, 12:57:34 AM
You can find all the time for drivers and tracks on the nkRank site Obsolum.  Plenty of stats there :) http://www.wagenvoort.net/rank/track-records.php
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Romus on January 21, 2009, 06:01:58 AM
Quote from: Doorman;259679:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:  I've managed a 2.46:32 and my eyes were popping out at that!

I did three offline laps and each one was 3:00:xx, then I ran out of time. :)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Mille Sabords on January 21, 2009, 12:16:21 PM
Bah...
Can't get it above 25FPS offline, and my Falkenberg experience last week was not encouraging - lag and so low FPS that the barriers were jumping at my car... well, my total noobishness did not help neither :)
I used low everything and no shadows, no AA to get from 19 to 25 offline, but it tears my eyes like this.
LFS runs fine between 35 (full grid south city) and 60 (capped) for medium quality graphics.
It may be a screen resolution issue (I left it at the native 1650x1050 res, as it is a laptop).

I also tried to alter settings in the Nvidia nks.exe setup while the game was on minimum everything, but it gave me the same FPS range as in-game options.

Any more tips before I resign?

Laptop, 15.4" wide screen @1650x1050, 60Hz
Intel T7600 core 2 @2.33GHz
Memory DDR 2GB
Graphic card Nvidia Quadro FX350, 256Mb dedicated
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Gnomie on January 21, 2009, 12:40:42 PM
Well that sounds a bit weird to me. I always thought that sims were highly CPU dependant. My CPU is far weaker than yours (1,86 GHz Pentium M). Maybe nKP is more GPU dependant..? (I have a 6800 Go, dunno how that compares to the Quadro) There might be a workaround somewhere, but I'm afraid I can't help.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Itchy on January 21, 2009, 01:02:06 PM
I suspect your problem lies with the Quadro graphics, rather than anywhere else. I think this is based on the Go7400 solution, not very good from my limited experience of them. But I could be wrong, not being a mobile gamer.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Mille Sabords on January 21, 2009, 01:26:25 PM
My laptop's weak point IS the Nvidia quadro FX350, that I know.
It is my work laptop, not specified for gaming :) but for running 3D CAD applications (solidworks).
I have no PC at home, only an old mac laptop.
That is why the hit I get between offline and online (LFS, Nkpro) is minimal - very good CPU.
I just wondered if there are known tricks for low impact but still viewable settings in Nkpro.
I had to play around for some time in LFS to find a good compromise but I based my experiments on a guide by jakg on the forum.
LFS is well suited for low end graphic cards / high CPU laptops, but I am not so sure about netkar (less and less sure...)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 21, 2009, 01:40:42 PM
NetKar is very cpu dependent but you do need a half decent GPU as well.  The GPU is more necessary in 1.03 than it was in 1.02 as you used to be able to turn off the shaders to get a big fps boost, but you cant do that now.

 It  runs perfectly for me with max graphics settings with an Athlon 64 3200+ and a 6800GS, hardly a good machine in this day and age.

 As you have a good CPU it has to be down to your GPU not being up to the job.  I cant see any way around that im afraid :(

 I dont know anything about your GPU, but i guess it just cant handle the shaders in nKPro
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Itchy on January 21, 2009, 01:56:33 PM
I think Moose nailed it there. As it ran fine on my old Athlon64 3700/8600 based machine, (new one eats it up and spits it out, going hurr hurr hurr while it does so), and on Moose's, it does point to a more intensive use of the GPU.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: obsolum on January 21, 2009, 03:51:11 PM
I'm running the game offline at 25 - 30 fps. It's just enough to have a decent experience, but I wouldn't mind a few extra fps. I run the game at 1680*1050, no AA, shadows off, LOD at about 50% and high quality textures. My graphics card is a Geforce 8400 GS, the cheapest card I could find. I had a 7800 GTX before but that one died.

Haven't been able to really test it online yet as I was having issues with the server connection yesterday evening. I don't know if the fps will take a big hit from that, but if they do I won't be playing online. I could ask around if anyone I know has a "old" graphics card lying around. That's bound to be better than what I have now :)

LFS definitely runs better, but I must say that nKPro looks better than LFS, so it's only normal that it's heavier on the GPU.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 21, 2009, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: Itchy;259718.....(new one eats it up and spits it out, going hurr hurr hurr while it does so)....
:roflmao::roflmao:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: obsolum on January 21, 2009, 04:46:53 PM
I just fiddled with the video settings a bit more and I got a gain of about 5 to 10 FPS. It's above 30 most of the time now, with peaks of 40 sometimes. Here's a screenshot of my settings for reference, Mille. The thing that helped most was setting the shadow to simple. Turning the steering wheel off seemed to help a tiny bit as well. I know most of you never have the steering wheel on in driving games, but it just feels weird to me to be driving a car without a steering wheel, lol. Yes I know, I've got my actual steering wheel right in front of me on my desk but... whatever, I usually have it on in the game :)

(http://users.telenet.be/obsolum/OCS_storage/nkprovidsettings.JPG)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on January 21, 2009, 06:09:41 PM
I'm not sure why an 8400 GS should perform so badly compared to a 6800 GS which is years older, but then again i haven't kept up with GPU's for years. (bad shader handling again i would guess if its a really cheap card)

 There is no way you will get good performance online with fps that low :(

Anything under 30fps and the physics engine starts to under perform and you start getting terrible steering lag as well.

 Really, if you can find a second hand 6800GS/GT on ebay or something similar then i would grab one, they must be dirt cheap.   If your processor is halfway decent then you should have no problem.

 i have an Athlon 64 3200+, 6800GS and a 1GB ram. all running on a £20 motherboard.
 
 I run nKPro at 1280x1024, Full textures, all shadows, max LOD, draw distance 1000.  4xAA 16xAF.  I have it locked at 50FPS where it stays always except for on the grid. At the back of a full grid it will drop under 30FPS (track dependant of course) but is back to 50 by the first corner usually.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 21, 2009, 06:47:52 PM
Take the tick out of 'Full screen'. It will still be full screen but you can alt-tab out with no black screen. Won't make any difference to your frame fate but I thought I'd mention it. :)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Mille Sabords on January 21, 2009, 09:12:55 PM
Thanks for the tips and the racing, I like the feel of this game.

I found a way to get decent FPS besides the above: 1650x1050@16 bits instead of 32 gives me a 20-25FPS boost for barely noticeable quality change.
It makes the games playable at 40-50FPS stable and does not hurt my eyes so much.
First experience ever with the full mode: excellent, makes cautious driver. Cost me the race though, 25 minutes to repair that little scratch (right after Doorman comments on keeping concentrated and so on;))... just could not wait that long, or I would have gotten drunk.
I will try some more of that, but at lower sound volume...
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Gnomie on January 22, 2009, 11:21:51 AM
Seeing as it appears that there will be a long race every week (provided the issues get sorted out -- see the other thread), would it make sense to set the server to that week's combo a few days before the long race? :) Might be good to get some practice in online.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: obsolum on January 22, 2009, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: The Moose;259744I'm not sure why an 8400 GS should perform so badly compared to a 6800 GS which is years older, but then again i haven't kept up with GPU's for years. (bad shader handling again i would guess if its a really cheap card)
Yeah like I said, it was the absolute cheapest I could find. At the time I bought it I didn't have any way to set up my G25 so I couldn't play LFS anyway (which is the only thing I play on my pc) so I just needed a card for the very basic stuff.
Quote from: The Moose;259744There is no way you will get good performance online with fps that low :(
That's what I feared :sad:
Quote from: The Moose;259744Anything under 30fps and the physics engine starts to under perform and you start getting terrible steering lag as well.
Aha, so it's the low fps that's causing this? That was the very first thing I noticed: the steering lag. I was going to ask about that. I don't know if it really affects the actual steering (ie. the movement of the front wheels), though, I just noticed it because there was delay in the movement of the virtual steering wheel. I do feel that the low fps are hindering me somewhat in the last tight chicane on Spa, for example, where they suffer a significant drop. I feel I could that one a lot faster if the FPS would be at say a constant 40 - 50.
Quote from: The Moose;259744Really, if you can find a second hand 6800GS/GT on ebay or something similar then i would grab one, they must be dirt cheap.   If your processor is halfway decent then you should have no problem.
My processor should be more than decent enough; it's a E6600 Core 2 Duo (2.4 ghz I believe it runs?) and I've got 2 GB of RAM so I'm not worried about those.
Quote from: The Moose;259744I run nKPro at 1280x1024, Full textures, all shadows, max LOD, draw distance 1000.  4xAA 16xAF.
I could try running the game at that resolution, but I don't know how it will look. I've got a widescreen monitor and I'm used to 1680*1050. I've got it set to no AA but funnily enough I find that everything looks very good. Then again, only thing I'm used to playing is LFS, not exactly revolutionary graphics there :)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Mille Sabords on January 22, 2009, 02:06:40 PM
Go try the same resolution 16 bits instead of 32 bits, it gave me an incredible boost for no noticeable loss. Worth a go!
Title: NetKar server
Post by: lovretta on January 22, 2009, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: obsolum;259723I'm running the game offline at 25 - 30 fps. It's just enough to have a decent experience, but I wouldn't mind a few extra fps. I run the game at 1680*1050, no AA, shadows off, LOD at about 50% and high quality textures. My graphics card is a Geforce 8400 GS, the cheapest card I could find. I had a 7800 GTX before but that one died.

Haven't been able to really test it online yet as I was having issues with the server connection yesterday evening. I don't know if the fps will take a big hit from that, but if they do I won't be playing online. I could ask around if anyone I know has a "old" graphics card lying around. That's bound to be better than what I have now :)

LFS definitely runs better, but I must say that nKPro looks better than LFS, so it's only normal that it's heavier on the GPU.

Hmm according to what I have found out, that card BIG limitation is narrow 64bit memory bus. And because of it, running it at 1024*768 gives great results, while increasing over 1024 resolution it fps goes down really fast.
I suppose you have widescreen LCD with 1650 as native resolution, so you probably don't want to decrease resolution, because things won't look nice (lcd).
 
You can try overclocking it a bit, seems pretty "good" oc stuff:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/point-of-view-geforce-8400gs-overclocking-/5133-4.html?doc=5133

You may go extreme:
http://www.madshrimps.be/printhow.php?howtoID=76
Title: NetKar server
Post by: obsolum on January 22, 2009, 04:21:02 PM
Quote from: Mille Sabords;259838Go try the same resolution 16 bits instead of 32 bits, it gave me an incredible boost for no noticeable loss. Worth a go!
Just tried it. I didn't notice any real "loss" in quality, but it didn't improve my framerates at all either. They were exactly the same as when I run it on 32 bits (http://www.easysmileys.com/img/shrug2.gif)

Thanks for the tip, though :)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: obsolum on January 24, 2009, 04:42:32 PM
I see the track was changed to Aviano Intermediate 2, so I did a few test laps with the base setup. The FPS on this track are significantly higher than on Spa. Easily 50+ fps for the most part of the track, whereas on Spa I'd only get about 38-39 maximum, and below 30 on certain parts of the track. So good news for me. I'll attempt joining the server when I see some people on to see how well it runs then.

Oh btw, if anyone has a setup for this track I'd be very grateful if I could try it :) The Wagenvoort setup site doesn't seem to have any sets for this combo.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 24, 2009, 05:00:21 PM
You could do worse than visiting HERE (http://www.lastplace-racing.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=385). LastPlace Racing. El Moose and his team mates turn out some very usable sets.
A tip for what it's worth, nKP setups include the personal preferences of the view (seat height etc.) and FF feel. For example The Moose seems to like a low ff gain(0.900) whereas I prefer an ff gain of 1.700 and ff damping and friction set to 0%. Other sets I've tried had the virtual mirror on! When I first saw that I wondered , how the hell did I turn that on?
2c spent. :)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: obsolum on January 24, 2009, 06:45:36 PM
Thanks. Yeah I noticed that the setups include the FOV and such. Those are the first things I change. I don't really have a "fixed" value for ff gain, though. Haven't really played around with that, either. Am I right in thinking that that just changes the "strength" of the FFB? I.e. with a higher value you'll have to use more force to turn and hold the wheel than with a lower value?
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on January 24, 2009, 07:07:42 PM
Quote from: obsolum;260203Haven't really played around with that, either. Am I right in thinking that that just changes the "strength" of the FFB? I.e. with a higher value you'll have to use more force to turn and hold the wheel than with a lower value?
Yep. :)
Title: some server related questions
Post by: Jape on April 07, 2009, 11:15:23 AM
I have some server related questions, considering if I someday try to make own server?

How you can get the results (file?) after the race (including, prac, qual too)? I haven't found any solution than screenshot after the finishline for race results :)

How you guys can make here double races or reversed grids, etc..? In host race options I have managed to add only one race..
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on April 07, 2009, 12:37:19 PM
Quote from: Jape;271699I have some server related questions, considering if I someday try to make own server?

Aren't there enough empty servers? :lmfao:

How you can get the results (file?) after the race (including, prac, qual too)? I haven't found any solution than screenshot after the finishline for race results :)

You have to go to: nkpro\server\logs then find the log that pertains to the sessions you want. Good luck making sense of it though.

How you guys can make here double races or reversed grids, etc..? In host race options I have managed to add only one race..

Go to: nkpro\cfg\nkservercfg.ini in the, at the bottom is an entry USEFORGRID=0 change that to 1. You can only have reversed grids by having only one session i.e 'RACE'. That means no qualifying session. So that races don't come too quickly after each other, make the wait time something like 300 (seconds) or whatever you think necessary.
If I've been helpful, good. If not, that's all I got. :D
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on May 04, 2009, 07:16:41 PM
In the light of our nKP server being...less than reliable, I've taken it down for the time being. One less thing for Lamie to worry about. If they ever get a patch out that addresses the problems we can look at it again.
Title: NetKar server
Post by: XLR8 on May 05, 2009, 11:24:38 AM
Seems like you're not the only one.
This just about sums it up at the moment :sad:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3595/3504189172_44bd44a906_o.jpg)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on May 05, 2009, 12:08:37 PM
They've found a new toy at the moment...oval racing! :rolleyes: We supposedly tested the latest 1.0.4 patch and that was an unmitigated disaster! :sad: We can still do the R2P though. It means practicing offline and using R2P's server for a warmup. :)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Katsushika Matsumoto on May 12, 2009, 10:56:49 AM
Quote from: Doorman;275078We supposedly tested the latest 1.0.4 patch and that was an unmitigated disaster!

Was it really that bad? I thought the new patch would be about progress instead of going backwards :crying:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on May 12, 2009, 12:31:06 PM
Quote from: Katsushika Matsumoto;275796I thought the new patch would be about progress instead of going backwards :crying:

 You obviously don't know Kunos' style of work.   He tends to break everything that worked, before sorting it out and progressing 6 months later :)

 It'll come right in the end. Whenever that may be......:rolleyes:
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Doorman on May 12, 2009, 02:09:44 PM
Shall I put up an F2000/Montreal server tomorrow evening? 7pm
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on May 12, 2009, 02:58:15 PM
Quote from: Doorman;275808Shall I put up an F2000/Montreal server tomorrow evening? 7pm

Splendid idea. :)
Title: NetKar server
Post by: Jape on May 13, 2009, 12:31:20 PM
:racing: I'm waiting for full grids and tight racing..

Where could I found nice setup for Montreal?
Title: NetKar server
Post by: The Moose on August 25, 2009, 08:02:29 AM
Quote from: Satric;287337Well as far as I know it goes 2 the last page uve viewed or something unless u press last page but maybe one of the other mods can help u a little bit more. Im not completely sure about this

What??????:g:

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