i am finding netkar pro online a problem due to a handfull of idiots ruining races, intent on going the wrong way and ramming ect.. the problem seems to have got worse over the last week!! what a shame:crying: and whats even more disapointing is that most seem to be English!!
Quote from: spudgun55;260409i am finding netkar pro online a problem due to a handfull of idiots ruining races, intent on going the wrong way and ramming ect.. the problem seems to have got worse over the last week!! what a shame:crying: and whats even more disapointing is that most seem to be English!!
Let me guess. :g: W Smoker, XXX_AK_47, or/and XXX_50 CAL_GUN? All the same guy we think. Oh I do wish we could catch him. Maybe we will, who knows? :flirty:
Having said that, that will always be the way of demos. Buy the full game and we can run cars other than F1600s. I'm a bit loathe to password the server because we do get some damned nice chaps on.
Isn't it possible to ban people, then?
I have yet to actually play nkp online. There never seem to be any people on when I check the server. I did some offline testlaps on Prato yesterday and I'm loving it! Wonderful circuit with some higher speed corners. And nice wide strips of grass that give you a bit of a margin of error when you go off :)
Quote from: obsolum;260419Isn't it possible to ban people, then?
I have yet to actually play nkp online. There never seem to be any people on when I check the server. I did some offline testlaps on Prato yesterday and I'm loving it! Wonderful circuit with some higher speed corners. And nice wide strips of grass that give you a bit of a margin of error when you go off :)
No, it's not possible at the moment but it is being worked on. My feeling is that Kunos, never in a million years, envisaged such a thing a wreckers. Welcome to the world Kunos! :D
QuoteWhy do they do it?
Beats me. :sideways: Surely there must be more entertaining stuff to do? Such as cleaning your toenails with an icepick or trying to knit while wearing boxing gloves..
yeah i hope the patch for this problem happens sooner rather than later. could end up damaging the small population for this game, could end up with even less people playing it.:crying:
Speaking of the nKP population of racers.. why can we only see like 12-15 servers in the server list, while it says there are ~ 300 servers in total?? Is this where all the racers are? Surely there must be more than 10-15 people online in the evenings..? :g:
Maybe only demo servers show up?
Quote from: Mille Sabords;260491Maybe only demo servers show up?
thats not the case, even the full unlocked game only shows averageof 12 servers?:g:
This theory is in it's early stages and is at this moment, being worked on.
The initial flurry of excitement with the advent of 1.0.3 has subsided. People that tried it discovered that the on screen information they were so used to, didn't exist in nKP and so went back to...well, LFS. And that's fine, at least they tried it. I do find it strange that we accept hardcore mode in CoD4/5 but with driving 'games' it's a no-no.
Another reason is people's inherent impatience. They see a server has a race in progress and won't wait 10 minutes to join. This has been seen in LFS if you make the server 'no midrace join' People join, discover and leave. Instant gratification is king.
netKar PRO, I believe, was made with leagues in mind. From an operational point of view it still isn't geared towards pick up racing.
Maybe a more formal approach by dMr would work. :g:
Answers on a postcard.
What do you mean by a more formal approach?
I have no problem with waiting for races to finish to join a server/car/circuit of choice, because I look for the quality. I know the dMr servers will, by and large, have drivers who will race hard but fair, the exceptions being the idiot wreckers we sometimes see (They do it because there are a group of people who find it too hard to do anything else other than destroy/vandalise the efforts of others. Use them for tameshigiri, I say... /rant), even inexperienced drivers seem to appreciate this style of racing. I certainly did, and I stay because of this, and because of the lack of elitism found on some other servers.
I would hate to see the servers passworded to solve the wrecker problem, but open servers will always attract these idiots. Perhaps in some respects hardcore mode is a weapon to use against the mindless hoards, pretty boring for them if their first bit of "fun" leaves them stranded in the pits for 10 mins!
Annoying for the people they take out, but I can't see Mr Smoker et al hanging around to do it on a regular basis.
Apologies if this is a bit of a ramble, but I've had less than 10 hours sleep in the last 72 and the ability to think rationally/logically has slipped out to the pub for a breather and a couple of pints.....
Quote from: Itchy;260527What do you mean by a more formal approach?
I have no problem with waiting for races to finish to join a server/car/circuit of choice, because I look for the quality. I know the dMr servers will, by and large, have drivers who will race hard but fair, the exceptions being the idiot wreckers we sometimes see (They do it because there are a group of people who find it too hard to do anything else other than destroy/vandalise the efforts of others. Use them for tameshigiri, I say... /rant), even inexperienced drivers seem to appreciate this style of racing. I certainly did, and I stay because of this, and because of the lack of elitism found on some other servers.
I would hate to see the servers passworded to solve the wrecker problem, but open servers will always attract these idiots. Perhaps in some respects hardcore mode is a weapon to use against the mindless hoards, pretty boring for them if their first bit of "fun" leaves them stranded in the pits for 10 mins!
Annoying for the people they take out, but I can't see Mr Smoker et al hanging around to do it on a regular basis.
Apologies if this is a bit of a ramble, but I've had less than 10 hours sleep in the last 72 and the ability to think rationally/logically has slipped out to the pub for a breather and a couple of pints.....
well put that man:clap:, i agree with all that you have quoted, the hardcore mode is not the issue, the issue i feel is that 1, not enough people play netkarpro:sad:, 2 the problem of idiots:thumbsdownsmileyani (as the original post?)
Quote from: spudgun55;260529well put that man:clap:, i agree with all that you have quoted, the hardcore mode is not the issue, the issue i feel is that 1, not enough people play netkarpro:sad:, 2 the problem of idiots:thumbsdownsmileyani (as the original post?)
I didn't say that WE have a problem with hardcore did I? I was asked why nobody is playing it and game my thoughts as to why. I've been on the server every night and only get a few strangers, albeit a few recognisable names. So where are you?
As for the problem of idiots what do you do if you can't kick/ban them? Make the server private or only have full game cars? Not enough of us (dMr) have bought the full game and my interests are primarily for dMr drivers. Chicken - egg, egg- chicken. At my reckoning there are 5 of us with the full game. Itchy, Spud, Vobler, Deetz and myself, so that puts F1800, F2000 and FTarget out of the equation.
As for the 'more formal' comment I was pondering, nothing more, having a stated time there will be races. At least you know you'll get a go.
You tell me.
EDIT: Re-reading Craig's post, are you asking for Full mode on our 'demo' server? I'm game for that but, how many 'passers by' would we get? We can try it by all means.
Quote from: Doorman;260413W Smoker, XXX_AK_47, or/and XXX_50 CAL_GUN? All the same guy we think.
He's a longtime LFS wrecker as well, with his weed and gun related names. You'll have his IP if you've ever banned him from a server; I know he's banned from the airattack servers so they probably have his IP. Might be possible to filter him from the nKp server using that IP or range, using a firewall?
Good thinking, unfortunately no-one even coming close to those names are on our ban list.
Quote from: Doorman;260539I didn't say that WE have a problem with hardcore did I? I was asked why nobody is playing it and game my thoughts as to why. I've been on the server every night and only get a few strangers, albeit a few recognisable names. So where are you?
As for the problem of idiots what do you do if you can't kick/ban them? Make the server private or only have full game cars? Not enough of us (dMr) have bought the full game and my interests are primarily for dMr drivers. Chicken - egg, egg- chicken. At my reckoning there are 5 of us with the full game. Itchy, Spud, Vobler, Deetz and myself, so that puts F1800, F2000 and FTarget out of the equation.
As for the 'more formal' comment I was pondering, nothing more, having a stated time there will be races. At least you know you'll get a go.
You tell me.
EDIT: Re-reading Craig's post, are you asking for Full mode on our 'demo' server? I'm game for that but, how many 'passers by' would we get? We can try it by all means.
i normally get on tuesdays and sat/sunday daytime, as you are aware monday is cod4, thurs LFS, then other racers play left for dead also Iracing, the choice is getting larger i cant keep up!!! but i would like to see more people getting on netkar as you would.
Quote from: spudgun55;260553i normally get on tuesdays and sat/sunday daytime, as you are aware monday is cod4, thurs LFS, then other racers play left for dead also Iracing, the choice is getting larger i cant keep up!!!
Indeed. There's just too many sims/games out there that are fighting for my attention. It's a bit of a luxury problem really. :D
Yesterday I wanted to practice Lastplace Lake, since that's tomorrow's track. I had to do this offline though, since the server was set to another track. May I suggest that the server is set to that week's track a few days before Wednesday, so that people can get some practice in before "the real deal"? :) Maybe that will bring more people as well..?
Quote from: Gnomie;260558Indeed. There's just too many sims/games out there that are fighting for my attention. It's a bit of a luxury problem really. :D
Yesterday I wanted to practice Lastplace Lake, since that's tomorrow's track. I had to do this offline though, since the server was set to another track. May I suggest that the server is set to that week's track a few days before Wednesday, so that people can get some practice in before "the real deal"? :) Maybe that will bring more people as well..?
If you think practicing online will make a difference....consider it done.
Yes, I agree that nkPro was probably designed with leagues in mind. I would think that people who drive in leagues have different expectations of the sim in use, and also other drivers behaviour. Hardcore mode shows that this is indeed a racing simulation (made to simulate taking the ol' FF1600 down to Silvers or Brands for the weekend) and not a game as such. As such its target audience differs from other racers (such as LFS). This is by no means a put down of LFS, which I still really enjoy, but just a recognition that the end aims of the two differ. With this in mind, I think you have to approach nkPro in a different way, both as a player, and, I suspect, when hosting a server.
As a player, in hardcore mode, you have to accept that you can't do things like join mid-race, because you don't do that at Brands. If you trash the suspension, it takes time to repair, or means you're out of the race. Changing gear ratios takes time, etc etc. The upside, at least for me, is that you think more about how you drive, and what's going on around you, because there is no quick fix if you screw up. Frustrating at times, yes, but if you can't handle a little frustration in something that ultimately doesn't matter in the greater scheme of things, then you really should just get a grip!
In respect of hosting a server, I can't really comment, so I'll ready myself for a slap from Ron :sad: but I do think you can't approach hosting LFS and nkPro in the same way. Yes, I know the basics will be the same, but again the target audience differs. If I want to have a quick race, perhaps a couple over 10 - 15 minutes I'll choose LFS. Even the hour long LFS races are different, because in the event of trashing your car, you can still rejoin the event for some action very quickly. With nkPro, although you can have quick pickup races, my mindset is still different, in that a escaping back to the pits, for whatever reason, seems like cheating somehow. So the whole experience is more challenging, and server hosting should be approached with that in mind. When you race on our server you will find it more challenging, but stick with it, because the rewards are greater. So, yes, in that respect even demo servers should be run in hardcore. This is not racing for the faint hearted or feeble :taz: (this is M&S racing.... :blink: )
Sorry, losing the thread here. Now where was I? Oh, yes, pontificating.....
Not everybody looks for instant gratification, some people spend their lives constantly seeking perfection in some areas, knowing this is unobtainable, yet continue because to quit is to admit defeat, and the journey is its own reward (yakkity schmakkity blah blah blah) Perhaps we should be altering peoples expectations as to what to expect from a nkPro server? Maybe we won't get as many passers by, but maybe some of those that do drop by will find it an experience they enjoy, and wish to repeat, without joining a league?
Puts soapbox away. (Should NOT be allowed near a keyboard when I'm this tired....)
With respect to few servers showing up in the lobby, is this a bug? Hitting refresh a few times brings different servers up on the screen on occasion.
Shutting up now, promise
Quote from: Itchy;260563Yes, I agree that nkPro was probably designed with leagues in mind. I would think that people who drive in leagues have different expectations of the sim in use, and also other drivers behaviour. Hardcore mode shows that this is indeed a racing simulation (made to simulate taking the ol' FF1600 down to Silvers or Brands for the weekend) and not a game as such.
Agree
QuoteAs such its target audience differs from other racers (such as LFS). This is by no means a put down of LFS, which I still really enjoy, but just a recognition that the end aims of the two differ. With this in mind, I think you have to approach nkPro in a different way, both as a player, and, I suspect, when hosting a server.
As i see it, Dead Men Racing's target audience is the same whichever sim you choose.
QuoteAs a player, in hardcore mode, you have to accept that you can't do things like join mid-race, because you don't do that at Brands. If you trash the suspension, it takes time to repair, or means you're out of the race. Changing gear ratios takes time, etc etc. The upside, at least for me, is that you think more about how you drive, and what's going on around you, because there is no quick fix if you screw up. Frustrating at times, yes, but if you can't handle a little frustration in something that ultimately doesn't matter in the greater scheme of things, then you really should just get a grip!
Agree
QuoteIn respect of hosting a server, I can't really comment, so I'll ready myself for a slap from Ron :sad: but I do think you can't approach hosting LFS and nkPro in the same way. Yes, I know the basics will be the same, but again the target audience differs. If I want to have a quick race, perhaps a couple over 10 - 15 minutes I'll choose LFS. Even the hour long LFS races are different, because in the event of trashing your car, you can still rejoin the event for some action very quickly.
Therein lies the rub
QuoteWith nkPro, although you can have quick pickup races, my mindset is still different, in that a escaping back to the pits, for whatever reason, seems like cheating somehow. So the whole experience is more challenging, and server hosting should be approached with that in mind. When you race on our server you will find it more challenging, but stick with it, because the rewards are greater. So, yes, in that respect even demo servers should be run in hardcore. This is not racing for the faint hearted or feeble :taz: (this is M&S racing.... :blink: )
The question is, are there enough people to get a reasonable grid. Add Full mode to that and I'd say no.
QuoteSorry, losing the thread here. Now where was I? Oh, yes, pontificating.....
Not everybody looks for instant gratification, some people spend their lives constantly seeking perfection in some areas, knowing this is unobtainable, yet continue because to quit is to admit defeat, and the journey is its own reward (yakkity schmakkity blah blah blah) Perhaps we should be altering peoples expectations as to what to expect from a nkPro server? Maybe we won't get as many passers by, but maybe some of those that do drop by will find it an experience they enjoy, and wish to repeat, without joining a league?
These people have been hanging in with nKP 1.0.2 since forever and have their own clique. Not a difficult one to join but they ain't coming to search us out.
QuoteWith respect to few servers showing up in the lobby, is this a bug? Hitting refresh a few times brings different servers up on the screen on occasion.
Yes I believe so
QuoteShutting up now, promise
I've heard that before :flirty: