Just for me to keep track...
Anyone has any arguments, please shout. Assuming the admins accept obviously, and assuming no contentious issues I'll dole out the badges tomorrow.
Admins
Sn00ks
OB
Liberator
Players - Based on current attendance and attitudes, these guys pretty much cover it so far. We've had a few settling pains, but I think we are there.
FrEnZy,
Penfold
Dr Sadako
Doorman,
Ninja_Freak
DarkAngel
DuVeL
GhostMjr
RizZy
KKND
Toxteth
sulky_uk
Bastet
Othbarty
Soon Jung
Jewelz^,
Snokio,
BabyBlueBall
EarlHaz
no peanuts
b00n
Whitey
JAS
Stryker
ZooToxin
Smilodon
Browne
TentSalesman (Tutonic)
Morbo
Whitey
Luminance
Target
Gaara
Please shout if I've missed someone to date.
From here on I'll add trial type things and look for feedback.
Yes :devil: and yes that seems to cover the frequent attendees.
You've missed Snokio I think.
There were a few new faces on the server tonight as well and the post by Garra about the cheap key purchase will bring them rolling in. I saw it mentioned in another post of his and told him to stick it in the bargains section in it's own thread.
Snokio added. Lib, you want a job as admin?
You have DA listed twice - which is one too many
You have Frenzy listed once - same reason :devil:
Quote from: Sn00ks;261623Yes :devil: and yes that seems to cover the frequent attendees.
Just a reminder ...
The badge is not just for turning up. It denotes a player who fully understands the rules, guidelines and ethos of the game concerned and consistantly demonstrates those principles whilst playing.
Quote from: Benny;261635Snokio added. Lib, you want a job as admin?
Yeah, happy to, already installed the menu thingy and corrected the spelling mistake on the airport start.
l4d_airport01_greehouse to l4d_airport01_greenhouse
Quote from: OldBloke;261644Just a reminder ...
The badge is not just for turning up. It denotes a player who fully understands the rules, guidelines and ethos of the game concerned and consistantly demonstrates those principles whilst playing.
Yup, which is why I mentioned the teething issues. I think they've all been sorted and I've not seen any reason why any of them couldn't wear them.
That said I posted the list so y'll could argue if you felt otherwise.
We are all still learning, to some extent, and some of those listed do tend to wander. But with a few well chosen comments could be bought into line and they're not strangers to the dMw ethos.
I have notice a tendency for some people to swear when things go pants.
Maybe they think this doesn't matter as it is a small private server? Something to keep on top of I think. I also understand the occasional frustration, Tank within 30 seconds of leaving the safe room springs to mind, that might trigger an expletive. They just need to learn a more acceptable one, pants or gusset spring to mind.
If we have them as triallists we can always weed out the chaff.
What is the default trial period or is it an indefinite term?
The swearing is a tough one. I'll try to prevent (and stop myself), but it's worth noting the game is an '18' and contains swearing.
That said, it's easy enough not to. I tend to go by the 9/10 watershed.
On the tags, I'll dish out the normals and amend the message to say
'blah blah', stay with your team, etc etc can be revoked, 'yada yada'
Quote from: Sn00ks;261683If we have them as triallists we can always weed out the chaff. What is the default trial period or is it an indefinite term?
The other games, I think, have 6 months as a trial (or is it 3 months?)
Quote from: Benny;261685The swearing is a tough one. I'll try to prevent (and stop myself), but it's worth noting the game is an '18' and contains swearing.
That said, it's easy enough not to. I tend to go by the 9/10 watershed.
On the tags, I'll dish out the normals and amend the message to say
'blah blah', stay with your team, etc etc can be revoked, 'yada yada'
This is a hard one. As a Community we do not endorse our encourage swearing. That said, any attendee to the LAN knows that we all do swear (myself included).
The fact that it has a 18+ rating should be enough but I think we should discourage it only for the sake of conformity across all our games. In CS / COD someone would get kicked for it.
Not saying that you should kick people for it but I guess we should actively discourage it so every game is dealt with an even hand. Whilst it's a private server it's less of a problem (I know MH on a Friday can get fruity). When/if it goes public then it really does need to be enforced for the good of the Community as a whole.
(Please note, I'm not taking the moral high ground here, I'm as bad as anyone.)
It's like everything in this world. it's about excess. Up until a little while ago I had to be reminded by my good lady, the present Mrs Doorman, that I was swearing to excess. Sometimes though, nothing else will do. :norty: We're all big boys and ought to be able to stifle ourselves sometimes. But let's not get too PC eh? :sideways:
List updated.
From here on I'll post suggested badgee's here and if anyone has any comment we can discuss then.
Ta.
cue some jokes about budgies.
Just to make someone aware, Stryker seems to have 2 green L4D badges:
Quote from: Snokio;266341Just to make someone aware, Stryker seems to have 2 green L4D badges:
Sorted. Cheers
Quote from: Snokio;266341Just to make someone aware, Stryker seems to have 2 green L4D badges:
Thanks Snokio, thanks BB...must have submitted twice.
Quote from: Benny;266343Thanks Snokio, thanks BB...must have submitted twice.
3 minutes apart, you must have gone for a pee break and then forgotten :)
I have a bladder the size of a small walnut, and the memory to match.
I have a bladder the size of a small walnut.
Can I have another one please? :norty:
I'm in. I feel validated.
Sorry, I must have typo'd your name, I'll have that badge back if you please.
It's you or Liberator, one of you has to go, I won't have people with more than 2 syllables in their handle on my watch.
Adding Ranger tomorrow evening, unless there are any protests between now and then.
Good comms, good attitude. Turns up regularly.
Speak now or forever do something else.
Garaa plays a lot. But I don't know if he's very dMw-ish. He goes off and hides in closets when hordes come. If someone gets puked on he runs and hides. Self preservation society rather than taking one for the team?
Or have I misjudged him and only noticed the exceptions? :g:
Got some comms out of him yesterday, but I don't think he's there yet....give him a few weeks :)
Smilodon has the makings. Give 'im a badge. :)
:doh: Too late.
Ohh I appear to have posted in the L4D Admin section. As forum-boy I can 'see all' but that doesn't give me the right to come posting in here.
So apologies about that, I will not do it again.
Except for this post which apologises for my last post.
Oh I just posted in here again.
Sorry :blink:
Quote from: smilodon;266478Ohh I appear to have posted in the L4D Admin section. As forum-boy I can 'see all' but that doesn't give me the right to come posting in here.
So apologies about that, I will not do it again.
Except for this post which apologises for my last post.
Oh I just posted in here again.
Sorry :blink:
Take his badge back! :devil:
Oh blimey! I posted in here as well. Sorry. :sad:
Crap furniture in 'ere. Come on Benny, look after your staff. :)
Furniture! We don't need no steenking furniture! :narnar:
Benny, can you update the first post so we have an up-to-date list of admins and people we can tap up to change the map from versus to co-op and other twiddly bits please?
Thanks
Any objections to Browne, Tox and Luminance?
Also, what is TentSalesmans forum name? Still Tut?
'tis your call.
From my side of the boat, others who seem to be helpful are Sadako and Ghost_Mjr.
Like I said though 'tis your call :)
Quote from: Benny;270012Any objections to Browne, Tox and Luminance?
If you need more admins and feel these guys are suitable then it's entirely your call. I would advise against asking for opinions - they can be divided.
Quote from: Benny;270012Also, what is TentSalesmans forum name? Still Tut?
He is Tutonic. Not sure where you're going with this but under our current guidelines he doesn't qualify for a green badge let alone admin status.
Sorry, should have been clearer. Not for admins, simply for badges.
My rule of thumb is if no-one objects they get a badge, if anyone objects they don't. That way there's no opinion issues.
With regard to admins, I'll sort that out over the next few weeks.
Cheers
If it is only for badges then the first three are fine by me. Brown is new to it and learning the game so gets easily confused, didn't we all. TentSalesman might be OK, but from what I can remember he is a bit of a loner, gaming wise. Maybe that is just my imagination? I'll keep an eye out the next time he's on.
Quote from: Sn00ks;270055... TentSalesman might be OK, but from what I can remember he is a bit of a loner, gaming wise. Maybe that is just my imagination? I'll keep an eye out the next time he's on.
Actually, he plays really well, makes good use of voice comms and used to be a Charlie (before the great cull of 2008 :flirty:) but he hasn't made a single forum post in years. Not since he upped sticks to become a part of 12K and eventually a senior Enemy Down admin. I know him IRL too as he's my son's best mate but he needs to be active on the forum again before he can be considered for a gaming badge. God I'm strict :)
Looks like Tox is the winner of this weeks gaming badge then :)
Anyone played with Zootoxin, whilst I'm asking?
So.....
Tox to be added. Next on the list is T-Bag. Going to dish it out later unless anyone whinges. He seems a good guy, always plays well and gets involved.
Speak now or forever hold your piece. I'm also going to give to Browne as whilst he is often on the wrong end of a vom or tongue he gets stuck in like everyone else.
Nope, no objections to those Benny.
Morbo added.
Luminance added.
You think Target would be an obvious target....added.
Gaara added,
Stryker, Jas, KKND and a few others removed. Will readd if there is any backlash, just trying to keep current. Have posted in the main forum...aren't I transparent in my management :)
I don't think people who don't play a game can complain if they loose a badge (me and L4D for example). It's a simple matter to get it back :)
Badges need to be relevant or what's the point. So as long as they're not lifetime awards I say prune away.
I thought the original concept was that they were to be life time awards.
I thought it was up to the SA. I know Whitey for example designated the CS badge as life-time.
And I thought L4d was to show active players, hence my comments. Maybe I'm wrong? It's not uncommon :)
Knew I'd start something. I would have said it was active players. I have no problem if my CS badge is taken off me for example.
From an outside perspective it would be people you could turn to for guidance in your particular choice?
Hornets nest?
We'd discussed this before and we'd said that the general game badges (not WoW due the the way they are awarded) are for life. Once you have earned the badge it shows you know how the game should be played. There's not many of us that would forget how we play CS (for example) just because we have a break for a while.
Anyway it's good to debate these things every now and again. :)
Ok, so I caused a fuss. Happy days, I'm not going to reinstate them (yet), but I won't remove any more.
Just for arguments sake can I have a WoW badge? I used to play, never will again, but hook me up.
Oh and a DMR badge? I used to play and would like to again, but can't set up at the moment...
I guess my point is that everyone who gets one badge is pretty much entitled to every other badge under that statement. We all know how we are expected to play within the community. So why not have a 'community' badge? <- moot.
I've re-read the original threads and am happy to say I'm squarely in the wrong so am happy to go with whatever people want. If you want me to reinstate I can do, I have the original list.
Just before anyone jumps on me, it was Whiteys fault, he said discussion was good.
If we already agreed this then fair enough and I do remember it being discussed but have to admit I must have got the wrong end of the stick about how we retain them.
Benny does make a good point though as I have played plenty of Cod4 and CS in my time and understand the ethos for both games. If so there might need to be a lot of retrospective badge awards to make everything consistent.
Or we could just leave it all alone as the community doesn't seem to be making any issue about badges?
With regards to competitive badges as well, I think there should be a 'expiry date', some people only play one match and never play again, might be because they have now achieved their badge..... or they might of realised we are crap at competitive play which is probably more than likely :doh:, but this might help enable us to get people to sign up and play more than once?
Just my 2 cents (enter 2cents smiley thingy here)
:)
I'm quite happy for people who have earned the badge to keep the badge, with maybe the exception of the competitive badges.
I find it quite useful to be able to see what games a member has played with us (there are too many to remember)
I will be doing a cull of CS:S and CoD4 admins in the next few days, as this is in the same category as competitive badges imho.
Pah, you b'stards have stripped me of my only gaming badge I hate you all.
On the other hand my l337 forum $killz allow me to give myself any badge I like.
I feel a "Sex God" and a "Mr Fabulous" badge award coming :wink: