Now that most of us only play CSS on Fridays, it is a very nice get together. However, usually there are always ppl cueing (on certian hours) - I was one of those yday, for instance - while non dMws are playing.
I know that our policy does not support a "polite kick" in order to allow a member to join, and I would not have raised this for Boomer.
However, I am sure all of us are waiting on the chance to join MH on Fridays, in order to shoot some other dMws - I can't imagine a Frdiay without it :-) ; so I would like to suggest this for MH. What do you think?
2 of those "non-dMwers" were original dMw founder members. I suppose there should really be a badge for that...
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Any member of this community is a dMw'er. Who does that leave to kick?
I was on MH last night but after 1 map my UPS started playing up so I had to reboot to shut the thing up. When I got back online MH was full - there was no way I would consider kicking anyone to allow me back on.
Sorry but I really don't think the idea is a starter.
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If they are on the MH then they are community members, otherwise they wouldnt have to password to get on there in the first place. Maybe we could intrest you in another game? Normaly fryday nite the L4D server is quiet good also.
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If they are on the MH then they are community members, otherwise they wouldnt have to password to get on there in the first place. Maybe we could intrest you in another game? Normaly fryday nite the L4D server is quiet good also.
We have enough players leaving early to play L4D on CS night, we don't need any more! :sideways:
Quote from: BlueBall;266121Any member of this community is a dMw'er. Who does that leave to kick?
I was on MH last night but after 1 map my UPS started playing up so I had to reboot to shut the thing up. When I got back online MH was full - there was no way I would consider kicking anyone to allow me back on.
Sorry but I really don't think the idea is a starter.
I also think that it aint a very good idea to boot Non Badge players.
it sure wont help them too even get the Badge.
If i was a non Badge player and i did get booted from the server,i wont never came back...:sideways:
I think others have said.
We don't kick people from servers to make room for others period. Regardless of it being Boomer, MH, L4D or whatever.
Otherwise where does it stop? OK so we kick people to make for regulars, do we then kick regulars to make way for admins and do we kick admins to make way for section heads and do we kick section heads to make way for community leaders? (For example I know that OldBloke waited from ages on Thursday night to get onto the L4D Server).
We've never done it and that's the way it should be.
Quote from: Penfold;266141We've never done it and that's the way it should be.
:withstupid: Absolutely.
Friday night CSS is a long-time special dMw event that we all know is highly popular so either get there early or be prepared to wait.
Quote from: Whitey;266128We have enough players leaving early to play L4D on CS night, we don't need any more! :sideways:
:withstupid:
1) I've had to wait on several occasions to get on to MH. I get peed off with it of course cos I want to play, but that's my bad luck to be honest.
2) These days MH isn't full for the whole of Friday night, maybe for an hour or two maximum. I was on at perhaps 9:30pm last night when MH had maybe 14 or so on and so it wasn't a problem.
While I understand your frustration Le Rouge (believe me I get as frustrated at the next man when he can't get on to MH) but I have to agree with the rest on this one.
I do get to play a bit of CSS at other times (sometimes Saturdays and Sundays) so if you see me or a friend online why not join them and if enough dMw'ers are on suggest an impromptu MH hour or two?
I can understand why it could be frustrating, but I have to agree with the others, it's only fair really. If you can't get onto Meathook and want a game go on to Boomer. I went on to Boomer when Meathook was full but no-one came in - so therefore I assumed I must have been the only one wanting to get onto Meathook. :narnar:
Quote from: Blunt;266077I watched the rugby till 9.30, which was just as well because it was 20/20 for all that time.
shame it's all over so early though.
All the P***heads are tonguing each others vomit, that's why:sideways:
I joined, then when it fizzled out I tried for an hour to get on L4D but that was 8/8 most of the time, and when someone did leave, I got beaten to the spot:ranting2:. I got on eventually though, just in time for loads to leave:eyebrow:... are you lot trying to tell me something?:sideways:
But I wouldn't have it any other way:)
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I think what you ment to suggest was a badge holders only server, or a new password MH for friday night between 5pm and midnight for instance.
These are more reasonable requests. I don't agree with booting.
I'm personally not a big fan of the badges, I'm not really sure what they're for. When I'm at uni I play only occasionally online due to ping issues. But I play CS:S, TF2, L4D, Cod4. I play these with other DMWers without needing to earn the badge (I'm not entirely sure how one goes about that).
Back to my point, I joined dmw because of the relaxed friendly attitude, if you have to play a certain amount of time to play on the server at certain times it seems to go against this principle. I can see it being annoying having to queue, but the way things are represents the group philosophy, everyone is equal reguardless of ability etc.
Quote from: T-Bag;266213I'm personally not a big fan of the badges, I'm not really sure what they're for.
They're for admins to hand out to each other and feel good about themselves. Green ones are dispensed among the rest of us proles as they see fit, so be thankful.
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Quote from: T-Bag;266213I'm personally not a big fan of the badges, I'm not really sure what they're for.
The badge (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=25803)is the way we formally recognise members for playing in a mature manner, for demonstrating an appreciation of our rules and guidelines and for setting an excellent example to our guests. I would have expected you to know that.
ive found it hard to get on to css recently, Its friday and the clan on masse try to join, so it takes a bit to get on, well ok, most ppl that cant get on css join l4d
to be honest im glad about l4d,
a) its somewhere to go when css and cod4 are full
b) its still in-steam so you can monitor the other servers
c) in my humble opinion we would be better to have 3 l4d servers 1 perm on 4 player and 2 configurable that way everyone would get to play something.
im a css player always have since 2001 ish but times are a changing unfortunalty so i/ we are going to new games for new challenges.
i agree l4d could be just a fad thing, but what happens when the sdk comes out, tbh i dont see this going down the poop shoot like tf2
we are now in the position where we could potentally have more players that slots?
Quote from: DogMeat;266229They're for admins to hand out to each other and feel good about themselves. Green ones are dispensed among the rest of us proles as they see fit, so be thankful.
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Keep pushing..... :sideways:
Quote from: DogMeat;266229They're for admins to hand out to each other and feel good about themselves. Green ones are dispensed among the rest of us proles as they see fit, so be thankful.
:lmfao:
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Quote from: smilodon;266246Keep pushing..... :sideways:
:eyebrow:
I thought the whole concept of a forum was:
A. Discussion of topics of interest to the community.
B. Comments (positive or negative) on the discussions of the various threads.
I guess that when the comments (as in Dogmeat's) don't conform to the politically correct norm, then its time for the Moderator to step in, (as in Smilodon's post), with a slap-down.
I have read and reread the forum policies and rules but I cannot find any reference to, or mention of, sarcasm. If it's not against the rules, why the "keep pushing" comment (or threat?)?
Is sarcasm the sole domain of moderators or section heads or Community leaders?
Quote from: OldBloke;266233I would have expected you to know that.
(this, in answer to T-Bags post in this thread).
I am reminded of BB's sig. " lead, follow, or get out of the way". I guess we'll all just get out of the way.
Browne out.
Browne, purely coincidentally the Acceptable Use Policy is undergoing an update at the moment. We are trying to update it and a final document is almost ready for release. Tbh though any AUP is going to struggle to put down absolutely everything. How would you legislate against someone being a plank for example? Any such AUPs assume a degree of maturity and common sense and are subject to wider interpretation about what is acceptable, so the AUP itself will never explicitly list everything.
TL.
I know, why don't we restart the server every 30 minutes or after every map, so making it a lottery as to who gets on? :norty: :boxing:
PS I have my tongue firmly inserted into someone elses cheek! Or wrapped around the back of someones fat neck :narnar:
Quote from: TeaLeaf;266434Browne, purely coincidentally the Acceptable Use Policy is undergoing an update at the moment. We are trying to update it and a final document is almost ready for release. Tbh though any AUP is going to struggle to put down absolutely everything. How would you legislate against someone being a plank for example? Any such AUPs assume a degree of maturity and common sense and are subject to wider interpretation about what is acceptable, so the AUP itself will never explicitly list everything.
TL.
I am at a loss. I never questioned the validity of the AUP, merely mentioned that I had never seen any reference to "sarcasm" within the said tome. The AUP is a necessary and indeed, mandatory document for a forum. The use of the term "plank" could (and will be) construed as an insult. It may not be what you mean, but it requires some clarification. I would not consider myself a plank, though some might be tempted to refer to me as such, but, I don't think that's what you were implying. I would consider myself more as a "splinter", small, but annoying ™.
I don't have any idea what is happening within this community that would warrant a comment to a public post (Dogmeat's) like "keep pushing", from a moderator. Its not appropriate.
He wasn't calling you a plank mate :lmfao: What he was trying to say was that it's impossible to cover all eventualities in a Forum's AUP.
Either way - good answer with the splinter. I may well blatantly plagiarise that and take it as my own :).
Nice to have some good one-liner's up the sleeve to avoid those L'Esprit d'escalier moments :thumbsup2:
Quote from: Penfold;266458He wasn't calling you a plank mate :lmfao: What he was trying to say was that it's impossible to cover all eventualities in a Forum's AUP.
Either way - good answer with the splinter. I may well blatantly plagiarise that and take it as my own :).
Nice to have some good one-liner's up the sleeve to avoid those L'Esprit d'escalier moments :thumbsup2:
Quote from: Browne;266442but, I don't think that's what you were implying..
My post has now been edited to deter plagiarists ( ™ ) from stealing my best moments.
Another quote coming up which you are free to plagiarise at will :D
Quote"If the straps are too tight, then the enjoyment decreases"
Quote from: OldBloke;266233The badge (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=25803)is the way we formally recognise members for playing in a mature manner, for demonstrating an appreciation of our rules and guidelines and for setting an excellent example to our guests. I would have expected you to know that.
I thought that was what the tags were for.
Quote from: T-Bag;266519I thought that was what the tags were for.
Indeed. But the tag is now tied to the badge. The tag shows your standing with dMw whilst in game. The badge shows that standing within the forum.
Quote from: Browne;266442I don't have any idea what is happening within this community that would warrant a comment to a public post (Dogmeat's) like "keep pushing", from a moderator. Its not appropriate.
I do. I have a detailed explanation regarding the use of "sarcasm and criticism" in forum posts being strictly
verboten; certainly from me, if not from anyone else.
I'm now also not allowed to post anything that isn't constructive, so here's a picture of a building site:
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/birmingham/content/images/2005/06/24/11_building_ring_470_470x300.jpg)
I shall issue a more detailed press release when (or indeed, if ever) the ban I'm shortly going to receive for this post under the provisions of the Forum Anti-Terrorism Act 2009 is lifted.
I'm chuffed to bit's to hear ideas, thought and comments about the community and the forum etc. I'd point out quickly that it's not MY community or forum, but as a member of it I like to talk about it too. We've seen a lot of changes recently and whether you like them or not a significant amount of work has gone into bringing them online without breaking the forum to bits. It's been a 'busy' time to say the least.
It's clear with so many changes which include a financial element (the paid subscription) and the loss of some forum goodies for those who choose not to pay (sig files, private message stores etc) that some people will applaud the changes, some will hate them and some will not give a monkeys either way. It's nice to get positive feedback and it's important to get negative feedback as well. And clearly on an open forum it's fine to say "that's a crap idea that is, and you know it's not actually my job to tell you where you've gone wrong".
However, and here I have to choose my words wisely so as not to be misunderstood. Getting nothing but sarcasm without any constructive criticism at all eventually wears you down. How many times do you, me or anyone need to make it clear we don't like the way "things are"? Once? Twice? Eventually those on the receiving end are likely to say "Ok you've made your point. You choose not to enlighten us about the true path to forum nirvana, lets move on and let it go."
I'm not a boss of this community. I don't run stuff and I don't hand out warnings of infractions or bans. I just play the games like everyone else. recently I've volunteered to update the forums and help sort out the new features (emphasis on help). That's nearly done and soon I'll go back to being a community members with just my few green badges etc. So I can post what I like on the forum (within the AUP) as I'm not doing so as a leader of the community. It's just me making a point. Something we're all aloud to do, once at least. :)
Oh and sorry for dragging this thread off topic. Back to MH issues and if we feel like chatting about stuff raised here then we can always start a new thread eh.
Quote from: smilodon;266665Oh and sorry for dragging this thread off topic.
Keep pushing..... :sideways:
Quote from: OldBloke;266150:withstupid: Absolutely.
Friday night CSS is a long-time special dMw event that we all know is highly popular so either get there early or be prepared to wait.
i think oldbloke has hit the nail on the head, if you wanna play so bad get on early, i havent been able to play for a few fridays on a trot but thats my own fault for not being on early enough....its simple :dribble: