It has come to my attention that we have some relatively in-experienced players and they are understandably feeling frustrated when they join a versus game full of more experienced players.
It is difficult to grasp the nuances of pouncing, barfing, tounging and defending when there is a game in full flow.
Sometimes they may get berated by more experienced player for little mistakes, which I think is unforgivable but I know it happens.
Therefore I propose that any players who would like to learn more about L4D join some admins for training/familiarisation sessions.
Co-Op mode would be a good start so Survivour tactics and procedures can be got under their belts before embarking on the Infected route.
If any players feel they need a bit more help then let me know and we can co-ordinate some Co-Op games. Things to learn are the Hunter punt, Boomer tactics, Smoker rescues, Horde procedures, vomit damage minimisation, Witch and Tank tactics. Also how to move through the map as a team, covering each other, looking for possible ambush sites, deciding on whether to explore the whole map or only when necessary.
Then the Infected team tactics can be added into the mix. How to play the various classes and our interpretation on what are good tactics to whittle down the Survivors.
This is not intended for regular players but only those who feel confused and frustrated whenever they try to join in the L4D goodness.
I want more players to become regulars and that can only happen if people want to play because they are having fun.
Quote from: Sn00ks;270873This is not intended for regular players but only those who feel confused and frustrated whenever they try to join in the L4D goodness.
Why not? I am a fairly regular player and I feel confused and frustrated all the time. Be delighted to join your little soiree Snooksie baby.
Brown, if you feel you could do with a little help then you will be welcome to attend.
i dont see myself anything else then a fresman beginner of sorts..
But tbh i found the most frustrating part about being a newcomer at dMw servers the fact that some regulars actually start shouting at you if you dont, for example notice a hunter on their face within nano seconds..
Because we actually do have that happen every now and then
Quote from: kregoron;270879But tbh i found the most frustrating part about being a newcomer at dMw servers the fact that some regulars actually start shouting at you if you dont, for example notice a hunter on their face within nano seconds..
Because we actually do have that happen every now and then
Kreg, I understand what you are saying. Some people get excited and panicky so maybe that comes across as though they are shouting orders? :g:
Anyway this is not what I would like discussing in this thread. If anyone has any problems with another players behaviour then that should be dealt with in the appropriate way. I don't want to start a flame war here.
Usually a quick 'Oi shut it mate, I'm a bit busy myself' should deal with it. :norty:
It wasnt my intention that it should be disgussed at all, i just wanted to point out that this was a factor that might scare off the newcomers, and merely wanted regulars to keep this in mind.
Snooks, it's a great idea and fair play to you for thinking of it and, putting your time into it. I think that Kreg also agrees with the idea and that any tuition, game play ideas, etc., would help stamp out the need for verbals whilst in-game.
As already said, I 'll be joining the tuitions.
If there's pointers on the Hunter I think even I could use that. It's a pain to use properly compare to the smoker and the boomer.
As for shouting at people for not noticing peing pounced etc. I shout to let people know. I don't should for one particular person. "Help, I've been pounce, I'm still pounced, help, help, help" etc. This is not being rude to newcomers in my opinion. It doesn't matter if I'm playing with the most experienced players if they don't know you've been pounced you're as good as dead. The faster they save you the more health you have and the better condition you're in. If you're down and your team know however there's no excuse for spamming comms as you're in no immediate danger. Be patient, your team want you to survive, but have to make sure they don't get hurt in the process.
Beginners could definitely do with some more love. I notice a lot of players that just want to rush some of the maps, since it gives you a better chance of surviving sometimes.
This does lead to beginners getting yelled at when they are trying to do some exploring of the little less important bits of some maps. I've got the game a couple of months now and I don't see myself as a beginner anymore, but I still notice stuff I hadn't seen before and I'd like to check some rooms for stuff like pills or explosives every now and then without getting yelled at to not run off or keep up.
So beginners, I feel your pain ;) If you need some help or tips give me a shout, I'd be glad to help.
aye i've always tried to help people out, cause thats what i doo (people that play WoW can back me up)
But yeah, if you want practise @ any map / versus's char - give me a buzz and i'll be glad to help
OK, depending on how the games go tonight we might be up for an initial session later this evening, say about 9-ish?
We can probably squeeze in a bit of Co-Op before bed time?
I have Brown and Kreg(?) down, any more?
We'll take a sedate stroll through a few levels. :flirty:
if you want me to help out i'll be about after the tourny
Quote from: Jim;270924if you want me to help out i'll be about after the tourny
OK Thnx for the offer Jim.
Anyone want an early evening session tonight before going onto CS:S?
Say at about 19:00 until 20:00-ish?
If so I'll see you on the Co-Op server.
Sorry, our guests have turned up early so I'll be getting sloshed instead.
Bump for da_Ricci as he just started playing L4D.
I'd like to join in on a session. You gave me a good help at the LAN and I think I got my hands on the basics, but I am still not very good at fx tank
Sounds like we have a beginners night planned......how about tomorrow (Weds) 8-9 UK, so I can get finished before the apprentice?
We can kill the bots to make it more even if we have any takers.
Need to give my bro a shout but knowing him he'll be on.
Err isn't Wednesday evenings at 20:00 BST reserved for something else? :g:
I guess if no-one else turns up then we can do a practice session instead. Need to try this kai jumping lark (says he trying to sound as though he knows what he's on about :narnar:)
if we do have attendees for the match then we can do the practice afterwards, we'll just have to manage without Benny.
Quote from: Sn00ks;276758Err isn't Wednesday evenings at 20:00 BST reserved for something else? :g:
you could be right.....
Quote8pm, starting Weds 27th May.
oops, nope, you were nearly right, until that getting it wrong bit. :doh: Matches start next week. Gives the unwashed a chance to get organised..(no sign yet).
So tonight remains practice, for those that want it.
da_Ricci is interested and will be online, I might drop by aswell but might go and watch soccer.
game on on Meatlocker.
gg. cheers for taking time to explain. I got the basics at the lan but the boomer is always too far, the puke too short and my hunter always jumps eagerly in the wrong direction. More gaming needed i guess :D
The secret to playing as Special Infected is to consider the four classes as totally different. Each has it's own special role and attack profile. Don't just rush in as soon as you can. Patience grasshopper
The Boomer is an ambush predator, find a space where the Survivors will go past (you need to know the maps so frequent play will help). Somewhere where you can spawn out of site and surprise them by suddenly appearing in front of them. Don't try and get too close, or else you'll get punted back and shot. Puke high for range and turn from side to side for maximum coverage, the more you hit the larger the horde.
Once emptied run off and hide. If you get enough time you might be able to barf again, otherwise find a spot where they'll come past and try to run amongst them and hope someone shoots you so you explode. You could go high and jump down amongst them.
The Smoker is a sniper. Wait for a Boomer attack and then pick off any green ones. If they are on roofs or high things try and pull them to the edge and maybe you'll get them hanging off them. If there is a Tank try and grab a green one so the Tank can concentrate on the others. Also it has the advantage of getting the Survivors to group up as they try rescue the captured one. If there is a car alarm hide behind it and try and pull a Survivor to it. Being behind them you can delay their progress long enough to give the Boomer time to recharge, the Hunter time to position or the Tank time to get close.
More to come soon
Quote from: delanvital;276825gg. cheers for taking time to explain. I got the basics at the lan but the boomer is always too far, the puke too short and my hunter always jumps eagerly in the wrong direction. More gaming needed i guess :D
You find some more info here Del.
http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=25801
Quote from: KKND;276866You find some more info here Del.
http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=25801
yeah, it also saves me typing it all out again :doh:
Quote from: Sn00ks;276874yeah, it also saves me typing it all out again :doh:
Lol first thought was let him type,but nah...:norty:
The breakdown I see is;
Boomer (always spawn in front) - is the trigger for infected attacks. Once the boomer goes, all the rest jump in. If you puke on two people or if someone is smoked it's always worth jumping in the way to catch a stray bullet and blow up on the remainder.
Smoker - pick off from behind, slows down progress and try to pull people into gaps.
Hunters - Attack after the boomer goes and the Horde comes in, also used as a distraction by sailing overhead whilst everyone else gets in position.
Interesting. I'd love to hop on a beginners session as I still have difficulties with my hunter jumps. Alas Wed's are hard for me.
Anyone playing tonight? :norty:
Quote from: Penfold;276908... Anyone playing tonight? :norty:
I'll be on after racing's done - about 21:30. Late I know but I'll need a L4D fix.