as of 20:00 tonight wowhead.com is lagging out the forums again making them all but unusable.
I have added http://www.wowhead.com/* to adblock plus for FF but that doesn't help in Chrome obviously
Not seeing any lag here. Browsing forums is quick and simple atm, certainly nothing even vaguely approaching unusable. Wonder if it could be anything else? Using FF here.
Quote from: BlueBall;272538as of 20:00 tonight wowhead.com is lagging out the forums again making them all but unusable.
I have added http://www.wowhead.com/* to adblock plus for FF but that doesn't help in Chrome obviously
did notice it earlier, but seems fine now :thumbsup2:
Quote from: BlueBall;272538as of 20:00 tonight wowhead.com is lagging out the forums again making them all but unusable.
I have added http://www.wowhead.com/* to adblock plus for FF but that doesn't help in Chrome obviously
did notice it earlier :g:
Fine for me but I've only just accessed.
not lagging now
I noticed earlier too:g:
Accessed eh? There's posh. :)
Quote from: Doorman;272553Accessed eh? There's posh. :)
I also 'arrive' :flirty:
I'm getting wowhead lags.
Just noticed it slowing the site down now. what is it? FF here
Quote from: Seany;272637Just noticed it slowing the site down now. what is it? FF here
It does the item popups for World of Warcraft items, as seen here;
[ITEM]Armageddon[/ITEM]
Quote from: Gandalf;272647It does the item popups for World of Warcraft items, as seen here;
[ITEM]Armageddon[/ITEM]
Which is so slow it isn't displaying .... for me at least.:)
Well, armegeddon did nothing, loaded fine.
TL.
Popped up immediately for me Oldie
I've disabled the plugin temporarily as there is a new WoW patch out tomorrow and everyone is busy checking the various info sites (wowhead being one of the major ones). As a result these sites are slowing up a bit under the pressure and as a consequence it affects us.
I'll re-enable the plugin in a few days when wowhead recovers :)
cool, cheers for the info ;)
appears to be slowing the forums again
Browsing atm and not noticing any delays at all.
TL.
Hmm, is wowhead Godot's twin brother? :g:
I get 'waiting for //www.wowhead.com' on just about every page in the forums.
Delays vary from 0 to 10 secs.
Quote from: Sn00ks;276390Hmm, is wowhead Godot's twin brother? :g:
I get 'waiting for www.wowhead.com (http://www.wowhead.com)' on just about every page in the forums.
Delays vary from 0 to 10 secs.
Same here..:sideways:
Agreed snooks seems to be slowing down.
Sometimes 20-30 seconds per page load.
Quote from: GhostMjr;276392Agreed snooks seems to be slowing down.
Leave Snooks out of it. He's just old.
But back to Wowhead. Seriously, I am flying through the forums and wondering what the heck people are on about. I hardly even see wowhead at the bottom of a page load, let alone on eveyr page and certainly not 20-30 second loads. So why are we seeing such different performance?
TL.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;276402Leave Snooks out of it. He's just old.
But back to Wowhead. Seriously, I am flying through the forums and wondering what the heck people are on about. I hardly even see wowhead at the bottom of a page load, let alone on eveyr page and certainly not 20-30 second loads. So why are we seeing such different performance?
TL.
:withstupid:
Im noticing any delay at all when browsing the forums, could it be some routing issues from wowhead to certain members ?
Quote from: TeaLeaf;276402But back to Wowhead. Seriously, I am flying through the forums and wondering what the heck people are on about. I hardly even see wowhead at the bottom of a page load, let alone on eveyr page and certainly not 20-30 second loads. So why are we seeing such different performance?
My guess would be that it might be random which site (among the different scripts that run on this forum) you see as "waiting for..." in the status bar. Just now while browsing this thread, I notices that "waiting for www.google-analytics.com" was there for about 10-15 seconds. It didn't seem to slow down the loading/my reading of this thread, so even though you see it doesn't necessarily mean it causes any problems.
And for those that see it as a problem: with an addon such as adblock or no-script, you can just put wowhead on your blacklist and you'll never see it again (of course that won't be a viable solution for those of you that actually
do find the functionality it offers useful).
Quote from: Bob;276422And for those that see it as a problem: with an addon such as adblock or no-script, you can just put wowhead on your blacklist and you'll never see it again (of course that won't be a viable solution for those of you that actually do find the functionality it offers useful).
I use No-Script and wowhead is an allowed script, but I still see no delays. I have google-analytics blocked on deadmen, everything else is allowed.
TL.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;276426I use No-Script and wowhead is an allowed script, but I still see no delays. I have google-analytics blocked on deadmen, everything else is allowed.
TL.
How did you blocked google analytics TL?
Now it's OK, I still get the 'waiting for wowhead' but it's only about 1/2 second, if that.
Maybe it some DNS lookup failure causing temporary glitches?
How does one disable wowhead?
Quote from: KKND;276522How did you blocked google analytics TL?
No-Script.
TL.
The forum is painfully slow for me today.
I've adblocked wowhead a while back, so it's not that.
I msgd Browne around noon and his was slow too.
:blink:
No speed problems here. This really does look like some kind of problem on different routes, not anything to do with Wowhead at all.
every is loading very fast for me and watched it the last couple of days but i don't get any delay at all or something weird.
Quote from: Blunt;276699The forum is painfully slow for me today.
I've adblocked wowhead a while back, so it's not that.
I msgd Browne around noon and his was slow too.
:blink:
It was the server. I'm starting to see some memory issues with the current webserver (not enough!) so I'm looking at upgrading this in the coming weeks.
Quote from: Gandalf;276756I'm starting to see some memory issues with the current webserver (not enough!)
There is no such thing as
enough memory, so that will always be an issue :flirty:
18:56 today
Traces to forums are fine
pages taking up to 30 seconds to load.
Culprits alternate between waiting for wowhead and waiting for deadmen
Edit: It took 12 seconds from clicking submit for this message to be posted.
might be worth checking out yslow (firefox plugin)
http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/
will give you a much better indicator to what's actualy taking ages to load.
We're upgrading webserver RAM imminently, we do not believe it is site related. Hopefully this should help.
TL.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;277854We're upgrading webserver RAM imminently, we do not believe it is site related. Hopefully this should help.
TL.
already done. was installed last weekend.
Quote from: Gandalf;277866already done. was installed last weekend.
:(
That's not good, we still seem to have a problem then.
Aye, worth checking the performance on the various routes in then as it seems only some routes are seeing problems.
TL.
I used to be badly affected by this but I have had no recent issues. I've changed nothing my end so, as TL suggests, perhaps it is a routing issue.
I have made brightstar aware of this and c4l is the most likely culprit. Unfortunately they have the best interconnects to multiple places!
It will be a big help if you can post traces in so we can see what your route to the server is to help narrow down the issue.
I'll also monitor the server, as it may be a CPU thing. (This web server is getting a lot more traffic than it used to)
I had it for the frist time yesterday - about half a minute to access.
As mentioned in my most recent post; traces to //www.deadmen.co.uk were fine (using pingplotter)
I have no page performance problems, but throughout this post I am waiting for "transferring date from Google-analytics", so I tend to think it is route specific to people from time to time. Not sure what else to say until someone with the problem can post some pingplotter logs maybe or some travert showing the problem.
TL.
Just had a look at the source and noticed the link to the wowhead power.js file is in the html head section. It might help to move it to the bottom of the page. This way any slow downs with wowhead are less likely to effect non wow users.
QuoteThe problem caused by scripts is that they block parallel downloads. The HTTP/1.1 specification (http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec8.html#sec8.1.4) suggests that browsers download no more than two components in parallel per hostname. If you serve your images from multiple hostnames, you can get more than two downloads to occur in parallel. While a script is downloading, however, the browser won't start any other downloads, even on different hostnames.
http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html#js_bottom
Might be worth a try??
Ok, just checked the site and there is an updated vesion of the plugin with a local copy of the power.js
This is now installed on the server so it should improve load times. Please do let me know if this has solved the occasional slowdowns.
I'm still showing it as coming from wowhead.
Also noticed the defer attribute, will be interesting to see if that helps. Not sure if it will with firefox as I believe there was a bug, might be fixed by now though.
Quote from: Jamoe;277904I'm still showing it as coming from wowhead.
Also noticed the defer attribute, will be interesting to see if that helps. Not sure if it will with firefox as I believe there was a bug, might be fixed by now though.
does help if I turn that option on! Check now
Quote from: Jamoe;277904I'm still showing it as coming from wowhead.
Also noticed the defer attribute, will be interesting to see if that helps. Not sure if it will with firefox as I believe there was a bug, might be fixed by now though.
ok, it's now using our copy.
I guess you're using the yslow plugin? Just installed it, looks good :)
Interestingly over the last 12 hours it has been google analytics that has been waiting to load the whole time.....
Quote from: TeaLeaf;277973Interestingly over the last 12 hours it has been google analytics that has been waiting to load the whole time.....
That's in the footer though so won't affect the main site, just the tiny little bit at the end :)
After following his thread closely, i was browsing around the web to see if i could find a tool or something and ended up at a website sitetimer.. it shows the loading times and stuff about different sections..
im not much of a website coder.. but i did notice something, why are none of our pictures compressed the slightest? :)
read fail in hte sitetimer or?
http://www.octagate.com/service/SiteTimer/
Quote from: kregoron;277975After following his thread closely, i was browsing around the web to see if i could find a tool or something and ended up at a website sitetimer.. it shows the loading times and stuff about different sections..
im not much of a website coder.. but i did notice something, why are none of our pictures compressed the slightest? :)
read fail in hte sitetimer or?
http://www.octagate.com/service/SiteTimer/
Well I could enable HTTP compression, BUT with the advent of broadband this will actually slow the website down as the server has to compress the page, send it to your client which will then have to decompress the page to display it.
Quote from: Gandalf;277977Well I could enable HTTP compression, BUT with the advent of broadband this will actually slow the website down as the server has to compress the page, send it to your client which will then have to decompress the page to display it.
ahh k, as i said i dont really have much knowledge about this type of stuff, but the site gives me the impression we actually got a bit of delay on our site.. the yellow colors on the left is afaik the delay before the first bit of the files are received..
correct me if im wrong
yea that seems to have worked.
While I was checking out the power.js I noticed it pulls in css files from the wowhead server. Even after this update it still does this, seems bizzarre to me to have a copy on our server that still fetches css from wowhead. It might be dynamic though (not sure why the url starts with static).
i.e.
http://static.wowhead.com/widgets/power/power.css?3
Also noticed this in yslow (on this thread)
QuoteThe components are split over more than 4 domains
- //www.deadmen.co.uk
- static.wowhead.com
- //www.google-analytics.com
- images.wikia.com
- rcm-uk.amazon.co.uk
- rcm-images.amazon.com
The Domain Name System (DNS) maps hostnames to IP addresses, just like phonebooks map people's names to their phone numbers. When you type URL //www.yahoo.com into the browser, the browser contacts a DNS resolver that returns the server's IP address. DNS has a cost; typically it takes 20 to 120 milliseconds for it to look up the IP address for a hostname. The browser cannot download anything from the host until the lookup completes.
We seem to have a few bottle necks all over the place.