From 5th May.
yay.
http://www.pcretailmag.com/news/31535/Windows-7-ready-for-trials
Candidate R1 is up on TechNet! :yahoo:
I'm wondering; what is it that I wish XP did that it doesn't do already, that W7 will do, that would make me want to buy it. DX10? :g:
I agree with Doors, having spent about eight hours in total trying to find a workaround for vistas security on my dad's laptop so he could login to his NAS made me think that xp is enough for an average users needs, he only uses ms money, email and types up a letter now and again, how bloated does an os need to be? maybe it's time I had a look at linux.
Quote from: Doorman;274591I'm wondering; what is it that I wish XP did that it doesn't do already, that W7 will do, that would make me want to buy it. DX10? :g:
I have nothing but trouble with XP since the SP3, until then I never had a worry its as good as it needs to be.
Vista was a complete failure a la Windows ME.
Windows 7 could surprise us on stability and security not really bothered about widgets and the like.
I just hope it doesn't use all the juice..
From what I have heard so far Windows 7 is a lot better than both XP and Vista. It will run on older hardware well - it is the first OS from MS where you should not have to buy new hardware to run it. There have been lots of reports of it installing and running better on hardware than either XP or Vista and in many cases working where Vista would not.
I have downloaded the RC from Technet and I'm going to give it a go to see for myself but everything I have read about Windows 7 so far has only been good news.
I await your report with agogness. :)
I've been beta testing 7 for a while (in a vm) and it's everything Vista should have been. Very impressed and will be upgrading as soon as it's gold.
Quote from: Gandalf;274608I've been beta testing 7 for a while (in a vm) and it's everything Vista should have been. Very impressed and will be upgrading as soon as it's gold.
I've heard something about the os requirements wrt fx hardware etc are on par with XP? I.e. lower than Vista? :g:
I'm moving to the beta this w/e .... wish me luck!!
Ive been using windows 7 for 3-4 months now, ive had 0 issues. :)
Quote from: Ninja_Freak;274683I'm moving to the beta this w/e .... wish me luck!!
I'd wait till the RC1 is available later this week unless the beta will allow an easy update from the beta to RC1.
Ive been running Windows on most of my rigs for months now, As a clever guy once said: Its everything Vista should have been ;)
Requirements really do seem on par with XP, i installed it on my missus old laptop a few weeks ago, and really running well eventho its on a low specced machine..
Acording to MS devtech papers, RC1 is mainly bugfixes, adjustments of security core to cause less trouble for users, stability issues, AND rumors of a new filesystem :O maybe we actually get to see WinFS in this decade!
i gotta admit i love Win7 so far, and im buying it as soon it goes gold :D
My brother has been using it for months now. He's very impressed. Runs games faster. Far better at hardware (except for sound*) very stable. He's very impressed with it. I already made the jump to vista, but if W7 is a sensible price I'll move straight to it. Not wait ages like I did for vista.
Also with XP mode running individual programs (ie not in a box with a desktop and it's own task bar, but as windows that mount to your current task bar)in virtulisation mode will have near 100% compatability with XP SP3 and will come with a license with Windows 7 so you won't need to buy it seperately.
*His sound issues are due to the fact he has a sound card designed for professional music. As he runs studio monitors, and does recordings through his pc. It sometimes switches into 48000 mode rather than 44100 or something.
Quote from: T-Bag;274765*His sound issues are due to the fact he has a sound card designed for professional music. As he runs studio monitors, and does recordings through his pc. It sometimes switches into 48000 mode rather than 44100 or something.
Mine does that on Vista also. What card is it?
I've loaded RC1 onto a spare HD, it really is very good.
No WinFS file system though :(
Quote from: Tutonic;274887No WinFS file system though :(
Do you mean the old file tree system?
I found a patch to make the old file tree system work in windows vista but not sure if the same patch works in windows 7.
Quote from: GhostMjr;274894Do you mean the old file tree system?
I found a patch to make the old file tree system work in windows vista but not sure if the same patch works in windows 7.
No, he means WinFS - the replacement for NTFS.
Anyone know where I could get hold of a beta for this ?
I'd wait for the Release Candidate which is due shortly.
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I've had Windows 7 on my PC for a few days now and it's already won me over.
Crisp, clean and speedy. It makes Vista look like a bad dream.
Ok, trust me to be the first one to complain. but
I have installed windows 7 on a spare partition and now I dont get the option on boot up for my Windows XP.
Any Tips as to how I get back there?
Sounds like you've installed it onto a different hard drive and that's changed your boot order or something like that. Maybe picking a different hard drive from your boot order. There is also a way to change your boot records, times etc from inside windows.
I can't remember how at the moment, and I'm not sure if it would be the same on windows 7.
You can change the boot options from within Windows 7 by right-clicking computer, properties.
Select advanced system settings on the left hand side. Under startup and recovery, click the settings button. Boot options are at the top :)
Quote from: Tutonic;275165You can change the boot options from within Windows 7 by right-clicking computer, properties.
Select advanced system settings on the left hand side. Under startup and recovery, click the settings button. Boot options are at the top :)
I tried this but my old XP install isnt in the drop down and you cant edit the boot.cfg like this old days
D'oh
Well, it's installed okay on this Acer One I just bought as a complete bargain and just added an extra gig of memory.
Without any need for drivers or updates I was able to install painlessly and attach to my WiFi.
Full install, not lite, about 8-9gb, of which 1.5gb is paging file and a further 1.2gb of hibernation file. Lets see what happens to bloat it out over the coming months.
Everything worked, an update made it download the specific drivers for certain bits, but the generics were fine for everything out of the tin. This is obviously because the hardware is pretty generic in one of these things.
They've removed the option for the "Classic" start menu, which I prefered and was the first thing I set on the recent version, but I'm starting to get used to the new one, even though I find it totally over engineered.
I've not decided fully on the start bar yet, I think I prefer to have my "Quick Launch" menu. But I do like the mini display method of the nested windows when you hover over minimised tabs.
The new "Show Desktop" is a nice feature, hover over it to ghost out all the windows or click to minimise everything as per normal.
Although I don't think I'd spend money for a license on an OS for the netbook that would cost more than the netbook alone.
i gotta admit the rumored price list doesnt really look that awful to me
- Windows 7 Starter: $199
- Windows 7 Home Premium: $259
- Windows 7 Professional: $299
- Windows 7 Ultimate: $319
Quote from: kregoron;275360i gotta admit the rumored price list doesnt really look that awful to me
- Windows 7 Starter: $199
- Windows 7 Home Premium: $259
- Windows 7 Professional: $299
- Windows 7 Ultimate: $319
Unfortunately, when they start selling in the U.K, they just change the $ sign to £'s :crying:
do you think any of us mugs that bought vista 64 ultimate will get a discount? :angry:
this is what vista should have been 2 bloody years ago
Quote from: kregoron;275360i gotta admit the rumored price list doesnt really look that awful to me
- Windows 7 Starter: $199
- Windows 7 Home Premium: $259
- Windows 7 Professional: $299
- Windows 7 Ultimate: $319
Yup, even converting the 'Starter' price to pounds, it's more than this netbook cost.
Quote from: kregoron;275360i gotta admit the rumored price list doesnt really look that awful to me
- Windows 7 Starter: $199
- Windows 7 Home Premium: $259
- Windows 7 Professional: $299
- Windows 7 Ultimate: $319
Stupid Q - that is not upgrade prices?
nope those prices should be retail, upgraded prices have apperently not been leaked yet..
Tho your supposedly able to get upgrade from Vista/XP/2000 and even 98 :O
This measure is supposedly being taken to rid some of all those old machines with unsecure win98 os installed..
I talked with a old study m8 who now works for MS denmark, and he gave me these aprox costs in Euro's and GBP.. he couldnt promise those were definitive, but he was guessing it was close as MS is starting to be a bit more agressive, with the entrance of other os's on the netbook market :)
- Windows 7 Starter: $199 €150 £130
- Windows 7 Home Premium: $259 €195 £170
- Windows 7 Professional: $299 €230 £200
- Windows 7 Ultimate: $319 €240 £215
There are more then these 4 versions, but these 4 are most likely the only ones available for retail and oem
Enterprise is for buisnesses and Home Basic is for emerging markets
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/kregoron/win7releditions.png)
Source for edition information is wikipedia
They need to bring the costs down otherwise people will just get oem copies or simply upgrade copies.
I honestly dont find £200 much for a pro edition.. actually i was affraid it would be more expensive..
Im guessing there is gonna be some restrictions on how you get upgrades (supplying MS with valid documentation on original os purchase or somit)
And the upgrades is rumored to be fairly close to windows 7
(tho actually installing the upgrade license requires a full install of OS :) )
considering how quickly W7 installed and ease of use.. I'm already sold.... the price is a bargain...
Got it installed on my rig in less than an hour..
has anyone found a way to duel boot it with vista yet?
I am really enjoying using it also and when this trial is up I think I would struggle to go back to XP.
Having run the beta for a while the only problem I had with it was an issue with nvidia nforce network drivers, how ever once nvidia released a new version of the nforce drivers I had no issues at all. It plays all my games old and new and is nice and quick.It will certainly be going onto all my machines at home. One of my friends got it to run on his Eee with no issues at all. Maybe MS have finally got one right!!!!
From your options list kreg it seems enterprise and ultimate look exactly the same. Any ideas whether there will be any options missing in either or is ultimate the way to go?
Quote from: Gh0st Face Killah;275484One of my friends got it to run on his Eee with no issues at all. Maybe MS have finally got one right!!!!
Yup, as I posted above, I have this running on an 'Acer One' netbook and it worked straight off the install, WiFi and all.
But then again, the insides of all the netbooks are quite generic and easy to cater for.
What it does mean, is that M$ have been forced to steamline the OS down from the Vista bloat to actually run on half gig netbooks, thats a good thing for all of us.
Maybe they are getting scared by the open source market encroaching on mainstream intel devices and the recent rulings in Europe mean that they have removed the need for the embeded MS applications.
Let's hope that it loses none of it's shine when it hit's the "Gold"
Quote from: GhostMjr;275485From your options list kreg it seems enterprise and ultimate look exactly the same. Any ideas whether there will be any options missing in either or is ultimate the way to go?
They are pretty much the same, one is for enterprise stuff and other one for retailers and oem
here is a quoted list from wiki
QuoteOnly these two versions will be available to all customers worldwide at retail and by OEM.
Windows 7 Home Premium
This edition contains features aimed at the home market segment, such as Windows Media Center, Windows Aero and touch-screen controls. Microsoft has expected this edition of Windows 7 to run on most Netbooks.
Windows 7 Professional
This edition is targeted toward enthusiasts and small business users. It includes all the features of Windows 7 Home Premium, and adds the ability to participate in a Windows Server domain. Additional features include operating as a Remote Desktop server, location aware printing, Encrypting File System, and Presentation Mode.
[edit] Other editions
The remaining four editions are targeted at selective market segments.
Windows 7 Starter
An option for "folks that will do very limited things with their PCs": the Aero Glass theme is not included, it will be not available in a 64-bit variant, and the system is limited to running three applications simultaneously. The three application limit does not include Windows Explorer, the Control Panel, accessories such as the Command Prompt and Task Manager, and some third-party system utilities such as anti-virus software. Applications such as Internet Explorer count as one application, regardless of how many tabs are open.[11] This edition will be available pre-installed on computers through system integrators or computer manufacturers.
Windows 7 Home Basic
Windows 7 Home Basic will be available in emerging markets such as Brazil, People's Republic of China, India, Indonesia, Mexico, Pakistan, the Philippines, and Thailand. It will not be available in countries such as Australia, Canada, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Israel, New Zealand, the United States, and the United Kingdom. Windows 7 Home Basic can run an unlimited number of applications, but some Aero Glass options are excluded along with several new features.
Windows 7 Enterprise
This edition targets the enterprise segment of the market and will be sold through volume licensing to companies which have Software Assurance contract with Microsoft. Additional features include support for Multilingual User Interface (MUI) packages, BitLocker Drive Encryption, and UNIX application-support. Not available through retail or OEM channels, this edition will be distributed through Microsoft Software Assurance (SA).As a result it includes several SA-only benefits, including a license allowing the running of multiple virtual machines, access to Virtual PC Express, and activation via VLK.
Windows 7 Ultimate
Windows 7 Ultimate contains the same features as Windows 7 Enterprise, but unlike that edition it will be available to home users on an individual license basis. Windows 7 Home Premium and Windows 7 Professional users will be able to upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate for a fee using Windows Anytime Upgrade if they wish to do so. Unlike Windows Vista Ultimate, the Windows 7 Ultimate edition will not include the Windows Ultimate Extras feature or any exclusive features. In specific markets this edition will be distributed under the Maximum moniker.
Soz for big post ;)
well.. music is up.. steam all up and installed... running a beta of McAffee anti-virus etc.
Installed MS Office, Outlook working fine..
yes it's quick but it should be for a new install. However having used vista for business this is what vista should have been without a doubt...
ran the performance ranking tool on my main pc and it froze, as in killed my usb?
duel booted back to vista all ok
strange
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/windows7/support.mspx
Drivers for microsoft products.