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Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Liberator on June 25, 2009, 08:55:27 PM
Well, I'm tempted by this.

Between 15th July and 14st August the pre-order price of Windows 7 will be

Ã,£49.99 for Home Premium
Ã,£99.99 for Professional

Apparently in the UK there is no stand alone upgrade option and so these are full OS installs and available from all the usual retailers as well as M$ direct.

Stolen from UKHotDeals (http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/429272/microsoft-windows-7-home-premium-pr/) but sourced from T3 (http://www.t3.com/news/windows-7-uk-pricing-revealed?=39339)

Limited to 25 copies each :blink:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Doorman on June 25, 2009, 09:07:12 PM
Me too. Form an orderly queue.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: lionheart on June 25, 2009, 09:13:03 PM
Trigger finger ready.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: GhostMjr on June 25, 2009, 09:20:47 PM
So we'll all go pro and not ultimate then i suppose :D

Might buy two licences providing they are not digital and have physical foil COA's and are not OEM.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Gone_Away on June 25, 2009, 10:22:22 PM
me wants ultimate!!
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: BrotherTobious on June 25, 2009, 10:48:17 PM
:withstupid:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Liberator on June 25, 2009, 11:15:30 PM
Quote from: Ninja_Freak;280512me wants ultimate!!
Any reason why?

The content in each edition has changed a lot since Vista.

Here's the feature table of what's in each edition.
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart)
Professional will cover most people. Premium will probably even do it.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Gone_Away on June 25, 2009, 11:40:46 PM
I want it all and I want it now..
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Carr0t on June 26, 2009, 10:05:38 AM
*rubs hands and waits for work to get a VLK version of Enterprise*
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: T-Bag on June 26, 2009, 04:53:30 PM
Windows XP mode is worth having. Same with backup and restore. Ultimate doesn't seem to have anything worth the extra.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: kregoron on June 26, 2009, 06:16:37 PM
Quote from: T-Bag;280597Windows XP mode is worth having. Same with backup and restore. Ultimate doesn't seem to have anything worth the extra.

i got to concur :)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: lionheart on June 26, 2009, 06:27:12 PM
Quote from: T-Bag;280597Windows XP mode is worth having. Same with backup and restore. Ultimate doesn't seem to have anything worth the extra.

Depends if your wife is Chinese.  :D
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: kregoron on June 26, 2009, 09:28:24 PM
Put in a order for 4 Pro W7E licenses :)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Doorman on June 26, 2009, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: kregoron;280629Put in a order for 4 Pro W7E licenses :)
How? I thought it didn't start until July 15th
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: kregoron on June 26, 2009, 11:34:37 PM
Quote from: Doorman;280632How? I thought it didn't start until July 15th
i got a old school buddy that works for MS denmark, so i put in a pre-preorder through him ;)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Doorman on June 27, 2009, 12:09:52 AM
Quote from: kregoron;280639i got a old school buddy that works for MS denmark, so i put in a pre-preorder through him ;)
No fair :sideways:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: BrotherTobious on July 01, 2009, 10:11:09 PM
Well I am going pro for my sins :) roll on the 15th
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: RizZy on July 15, 2009, 07:43:34 AM
So, it's the 15th, credit cards ready to be abused?

A Question for those that know, are 64 bit version available on pre-order? I'm thinking of upgrading the old box, so if I can grab windows 7 cheap & ready for that it'll inspire me to go spend some cash.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Liberator on July 15, 2009, 08:15:48 AM
Amazon is now selling the pre-order for cheaper than previously thought

Windows 7 Premium E = Ã,£44.97
Windows 7 Pofesional E = Ã,£89.97

The 'E' stands for Europe and means there is no enforced browser installation, because of the anti-trust suit.

Remember to order through our affiliate link. (http://astore.amazon.co.uk/deadmenwalkin-21/202-9451783-8466224)

FAQ's and features
 (http://windows7center.com/news/windows-7e-preorder-the-definitive-faq/)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Doorman on July 15, 2009, 09:17:38 AM
Quote from: Liberator;282463Amazon is now selling the pre-order for cheaper than previously thought

Windows 7 Premium E = Ã,£44.97
Windows 7 Pofesional E = Ã,£89.97

The 'E' stands for Europe and means there is no enforced browser installation, because of the anti-trust suit.

Remember to order through our affiliate link. (http://astore.amazon.co.uk/deadmenwalkin-21/202-9451783-8466224)

FAQ's and features
 (http://windows7center.com/news/windows-7e-preorder-the-definitive-faq/)
I REALLY wished you hadn't have posted that! :sideways: I just pre-ordered with Play.com Ã,£99.99 :taz:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Liberator on July 15, 2009, 09:23:38 AM
Well.......

The Amazon page isn't accepting pre-orders any more, it's gone back to "Be notified".

I don't know if this is because they sold out or just tweaking stuff as Amazon like to do.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Lameduck on July 15, 2009, 09:30:59 AM
Deed done. Hope its :D and not :doh:

Lib said "The Amazon page isn't accepting pre-orders any more, it's gone back to "Be notified"." , my order for pro has been confirmed, so they must have been faffing.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Liberator on July 15, 2009, 09:49:37 AM
Quote from: Lameduck;282473Deed done. Hope its :D and not :doh:

Lib said "The Amazon page isn't accepting pre-orders any more, it's gone back to "Be notified"." , my order for pro has been confirmed, so they must have been faffing.

Pro is still allowing orders, but Premiun isn't.

To be honest I can't see any reason to go Pro.

Except for the fact that Premium isn't allowing pre-order any more.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Liberator on July 15, 2009, 09:51:36 AM
Quote from: Doorman;282467I REALLY wished you hadn't have posted that! :sideways: I just pre-ordered with Play.com Ã,£99.99 :taz:
Order Pro from Amazon and cancel the Play one.

It's a pre-order so cancellable up until the dispatch date.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: lionheart on July 15, 2009, 10:05:03 AM
Pro Order placed.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Liberator on July 15, 2009, 10:08:56 AM
amazon were playing, Premium is back for pre-order.

I can't see anything in Pro that I'd need, the only limitation thats of any significance for me is the memory and 16gb is fine (20gb for 64bit), I see no reason for 100gb+.

Here's the comparison chart for those interested in saving a further Ã,£45.

(http://windows7center.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/skucomparison.gif)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Liberator on July 15, 2009, 10:56:21 AM
Quote from: Liberator;282478(20gb for 64bit)
Sorry, I got confused, ignore this bit, it 16gb for 64bit in Premium.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: DannagE on July 15, 2009, 11:08:37 AM
Thanks,

pre-ordered premium. Didn't see the point in Pro this time around and no way is there a need for ultimate!!
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: BrotherTobious on July 15, 2009, 11:58:26 AM
I am holding out for Pro, like the idea of some XP backwards compatiblity.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: GhostMjr on July 15, 2009, 03:23:41 PM
Ok, amazon is still showing as "be notified" play are selling the "retail copy" which must be a non oem for Ã,£99.99.

Amazon don't state whether it is/ isn't an oem or retail copy.

I'm after pro too but a decent ultimate price would tempt me.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: GhostMjr on July 15, 2009, 03:38:38 PM
Been looking around quickly for what prices they are going for.

Ebuyer want Ã,£80.00 for pro but they are out of stock already.

Currys and pc world want Ã,£89.99 but don't state whether they are upgrade oem or retail copies only play are acually stating retail in their description.

Direct from microsoft pro is Ã,£89 but only an upgrade version is available and i doubt you will get a free physical disk. It will probably be electronic and personally i prefer to have a physical disk and cd key foil

Comet want Ã,£99 and spoke to a live customer service agent who said:

"Sophie: It will be a complete version not upgrade"
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Liberator on July 15, 2009, 04:05:05 PM
Quote from: GhostMjr;282496Been looking around quickly for what prices they are going for.

Ebuyer want Ã,£80.00 for pro but they are out of stock already.

Currys and pc world want Ã,£89.99 but don't state whether they are upgrade oem or retail copies only play are acually stating retail in their description.

Direct from microsoft pro is Ã,£89 but only an upgrade version is available and i doubt you will get a free physical disk. It will probably be electronic and personally i prefer to have a physical disk and cd key foil

Comet want Ã,£99 and spoke to a live customer service agent who said:

"Sophie: It will be a complete version not upgrade"
Windows 7 * 'E', means that it's the European version and so can't have Internet Explorer as part of the base install.

It also means that they aren't upgrades because it would inherently mean that your previous IE version would be transfered to the new install and so would be illegal under the anti-trust ruling.

So the versions available are fresh installs for the moment.

Still only Ã,£89.97 on Amazon.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: T-Bag on July 15, 2009, 04:16:42 PM
Yup all versions are full versions. My bro picked up a copy of ebuyer before they sold out. I'm holding out till nearer the time. Maybe get a student discount or another free copy.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Carr0t on July 15, 2009, 04:18:34 PM
Quote from: GhostMjr;282496Currys and pc world want Ã,£89.99 but don't state whether they are upgrade oem or retail copies only play are acually stating retail in their description.

Any version you get in the UK should be a full version. Due to the antitrust ruling regarding IE and such MS are not releasing an upgrade version in the EU at all. Instead, we get the full retail version for the price they would have released the upgrade at. Woo! As to OEM, does it really matter compared to retail? OEM = valid physical disk + foil with key on. Full retail = OEM with a diff word on the box and a manual. Whoop de doo. You'd also know when you tried to buy it. If you were buying from a reputable site they wouldn't be allowed to legally sell you an OEM version if you weren't buying anything else with it.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: OldBloke on July 15, 2009, 07:28:58 PM
I read somewhere today (sorry, can't remember where) that the retail contains both the 32 and 64 bit versions - only one can be registered of course.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: GhostMjr on July 15, 2009, 07:46:31 PM
Quote from: OldBloke;282529I read somewhere today (sorry, can't remember where) that the retail contains both the 32 and 64 bit versions - only one can be registered of course.

Interesting, so you could effectively swap over or whatever you choose is what you have to always stick with?

Any idea of the source out of interest.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Snokio on July 15, 2009, 09:29:55 PM
Quote from: OldBloke;282529I read somewhere today (sorry, can't remember where) that the retail contains both the 32 and 64 bit versions - only one can be registered of course.

Correct, had trouble finding someone who sold W7, M$ site was 'unavailable', ebuyer sold out, and eventually ordered from play.com, ordered 3 copies (for family) which was a mixture of 32bit and 64bit, rang Play.com and said you need register which version you want with M$ (32bit or 64bit), but not sure if that means it comes with 2 disks or early on in the installation :g:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: GhostMjr on July 17, 2009, 01:54:06 PM
Windows 7 pre-orders sold out (http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/31988/Windows-7-pre-orders-sold-out)

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Microsoft Store webpage goes down, promotional pricing no longer available
 
The pre-order discount deal on Windows 7 has sold out less than two days after it began.
According to Sitepoint (http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/07/17/windows-7-sold-out/), most of Microsoftââ,¬â,,¢s retail partners exhausted stocks within the first eight hours of trading, while Amazon has already exceeded the amount of Vista copies that it sold during its entire 17 week pre-order sales period.
Many visitors to the Microsoft online store were greeted with a multilingual message that said: ââ,¬Å"Due to the eagerly anticipated Windows 7 pre-order offer we're experiencing a higher level of demand on our website than usual. This means you can't access the site right now and we're sorry about that.ââ,¬Â
A visit to the Microsoft store today will show the message that the promotional pricing is no longer available.
Although Microsoft has yet to comment on the pre-order sales directly, it told Silicon.com (http://management.silicon.com/itdirector/0,39024673,39452612,00.htm) that it was ââ,¬Å"excited with the great response from US and international consumers for the Windows 7 pre-order discount program.ââ,¬Â
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: GhostMjr on July 17, 2009, 02:10:44 PM
Amazon and play have put prices up to Ã,£179 again but pcworld and comet still have it for Ã,£89 including free P&p :)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: BrotherTobious on July 21, 2009, 04:51:17 PM
Just ordered my Pro from PChell, for 89.99 inc vat and p&p

Oh the shame.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Tutonic on July 28, 2009, 09:27:48 AM
As I understand it, you get both 32 and 64bit editions of Windows 7 on the same DVD - when you boot from the disc it should ask you which edition you want to install.

You can't 'swap' between 64 and 32 bit, you'll have to re-install the entire OS if you want to change.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: sulky_uk on July 31, 2009, 11:38:36 PM
i aint getting it this is what i have with prices it cost me in brackets
 
comp 1 xp 64 (sons pc Ã,£15 from here)
comp 2 xp home (media unit Ã,£99 pc world 2002)
comp 3 xp pro (free with lap)
comp 4 vista ult 64 (free with main)
 
now thinking that the two that came with the computers had the prices factored in....
 
total at todays prices for the above Ã,£430 ish pounds (overclockers)
 
 
total to replace with win 7, 4 x win 7 home Ã,£280(overclockers)
 
so thinking that other ppl are in the same boat as me 3/4 computer os's to replace to keep up with the jones's then i say to ms
 
GET STUFFED
 
/rant over
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: lionheart on August 01, 2009, 12:11:38 AM
Maybe not today.....Maybe not tomorrow.... but you will succomb.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Armitage on August 01, 2009, 07:30:36 AM
Quote from: sulky_uk;284829i aint getting it this is what i have with prices it cost me in brackets
 
comp 1 xp 64 (sons pc Ã,£15 from here)
comp 2 xp home (media unit Ã,£99 pc world 2002)
comp 3 xp pro (free with lap)
comp 4 vista ult 64 (free with main)
 
now thinking that the two that came with the computers had the prices factored in....
 
total at todays prices for the above Ã,£430 ish pounds (overclockers)
 
 
total to replace with win 7, 4 x win 7 home Ã,£280(overclockers)
 
so thinking that other ppl are in the same boat as me 3/4 computer os's to replace to keep up with the jones's then i say to ms
 
GET STUFFED
 
/rant over

Why do you think you need to upgrade all your OS's. I'm still not sure why i need to update one
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: T-Bag on August 01, 2009, 07:56:17 PM
Get the family pack. 3 computers for $150.

Link (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/01/microsoft_windows_7_discounts_gamble/)

Not sure where you can find the pack though.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Lameduck on August 04, 2009, 07:16:45 AM
Have I ordered something that I didnt need to order? Oh Dear:taz:

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/264715/windows-7-preorders-thrown-into-doubt-as-microsoft-scraps-e-editions.html
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Toxteth on August 04, 2009, 02:42:46 PM
So the original deal was that the Premium would be Ã,£49.99 until the 14th of August, but now the cheapest is Ã,£69.93 from PC world?
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Tutonic on August 04, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
How come Microsoft are forced to supply an OS without IE, yet Apple are perfectly ok to bundle Safari into their systems?

I'm guessing that if you've already ordered the 'E' edition (like I have), the you'll get whatever they've now decided to supply instead. I doubt we'll have to place our pre-orders again...
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Liberator on August 04, 2009, 05:33:06 PM
Quote from: Lameduck;285049Have I ordered something that I didnt need to order? Oh Dear:taz:

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/264715/windows-7-preorders-thrown-into-doubt-as-microsoft-scraps-e-editions.html
Well, the fact that it allows you to choose to install Explorer or not means that it will still have to be the full install.

So the removal of the 'E' doesn't mean we'll get upgrade editions, it just means we should get the same "Full" version as the rest of the world and that it's now an option for everyone to opt out of IE.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Liberator on August 04, 2009, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: Toxteth;285120So the original deal was that the Premium would be Ã,£49.99 until the 14th of August, but now the cheapest is Ã,£69.93 from PC world?
Until the 14th August and while stocks last.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: smilodon on August 04, 2009, 06:19:18 PM
Quote from: Tutonic;285124How come Microsoft are forced to supply an OS without IE, yet Apple are perfectly ok to bundle Safari into their systems?

I'm guessing that if you've already ordered the 'E' edition (like I have), the you'll get whatever they've now decided to supply instead. I doubt we'll have to place our pre-orders again...

Because Microsoft have near monopoly on the desktop which they horribly abused to the detriment of their competition and their customers. Apple have a tiny share and can therefore do what they like.

Microsoft were never required to remove IE from Windows 7, they were asked to clearly offer the customer a selection of alternatives. Microsoft decided all on their own to pull IE completely and to not release EU versions of Windows 7 upgrade.

As to why? - we can only speculate. But I speculate that they are a bunch of arse who are trying to make it look like the EU are to blame for the consequences of their  own criminal activity. But that's just my opinion :)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: OldBloke on August 04, 2009, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: smilodon;285151... But I speculate that they are a bunch of arse who are trying to make it look like the EU are to blame for the consequences of their  own criminal activity. But that's just my opinion :)

Doggers? Is that you? :flirty:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Toxteth on August 04, 2009, 07:54:29 PM
Quote from: Liberator;285145Until the 14th August and while stocks last.

Hmm it's just weird as the link for Ã,£49.99 appears that they are still in stock, they just hoofed up the price earlier. Or was it more of a 'designated pre-sale price batch'?
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: albert on August 07, 2009, 10:29:39 AM
I just scanned through all 6 pages of this interesting discussion and I am bamboozled!!

All this chat abuot upgrades, Ã,£49.99 pre-order, or is it Ã,£64.99 or is it E, do you need pro, is Ultimate worth it.... yadda yadda yadda

M$ must be loving the confusion....

Can someone do a summary please? Opinions, maybe it's worth just buying a lowest end Dell and getting the free W7 disk with it when it comes out.

http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/landing/en/ca/windows-7-consumer?c=ca&l=en&cs=cadhs1

Probably a catch. Like you end up with a rubbish computer LOL :winkiss:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: T-Bag on August 07, 2009, 10:44:34 AM
Basically if you caught the pre-order the upgrade and you'd get the full version of Win 7 for Ã,£50 (the upgrade price) because there was not European upgrade version around due to competition concerns but they still wanted market share.

Now the price has gone up because the pre-order stocks sold out. To complicate things further now Microsoft are no longer giving the full version instead of the upgrade, so buying the pre-order now you might be delivered the genuine upgrade (still a reasonable deal, but not as great as saving Ã,£150 for the full version).

Usually a Dell comes with an OEM version of Windows which you're not allowed to transfer. When activating it they'll ask if it's still on the same system, and if you say no then it can't be activated. If you've upgraded it it should be allowed, even if there is almost nothing shared between the old and new system.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: albert on August 07, 2009, 10:47:12 AM
Very cunning, so worst case sceario is pay higher price and have to upgrade XP or Vista to W7 which is a lot different in terms of it's design.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: T-Bag on August 07, 2009, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: albert;285475Very cunning, so worst case sceario is pay higher price and have to upgrade XP or Vista to W7 which is a lot different in terms of it's design.

Yeah, if you buy now that's the worst case. If you don't I suppose the worst case is the deals all do and you have to buy a full price version.

As for XP and Vista being different to Win 7, yup. It is similar to vista at it's heart but they've done their best to make it like XP in terms of ease of use. It's quick performs well (like XP) but supports modern computers much better, and has an improved UI. (After using the search bar in Vista's start menu I wouldn't go back - that's in Win 7)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: ChimpBoy on August 16, 2009, 03:34:47 PM
I know this may be a pretty dumb question but I've never actually "upgraded" an OS on my PC, I've just replaced my pc boxes over time and it's come with the newer OS (95 > 98 > XP).

I'm using XP 32 bit now, and if I buy W7 am I going to have to do a full hard disk wipe and then install W7?  Or is there an upgrade path using the W7 CD that I can use without having to wipe my HDD?

I just don't think I can be assed to reinstall everything on this pc and any extra hassle kills my motivation for upgrading to a new OS that really doesn't seem to give me much that XP doesn't...
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: OldBloke on August 16, 2009, 03:54:28 PM
Quote from: ChimpBoy;286379I know this may be a pretty dumb question but I've never actually "upgraded" an OS on my PC, I've just replaced my pc boxes over time and it's come with the newer OS (95 > 98 > XP).

I'm using XP 32 bit now, and if I buy W7 am I going to have to do a full hard disk wipe and then install W7?  Or is there an upgrade path using the W7 CD that I can use without having to wipe my HDD?

I just don't think I can be assed to reinstall everything on this pc and any extra hassle kills my motivation for upgrading to a new OS that really doesn't seem to give me much that XP doesn't...

There's no direct upgrade to Win7 from XP. Checkout the (simplified) 2nd graph on this page (http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/06/official-windows-7-upgrade-chart-is-ridiculous/).
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: GhostMjr on August 16, 2009, 04:22:10 PM
I can see your point Chimp.

With the various beta and release candidate stages people have had to do a full wipe to move to the newer version. Next summer if and when this is the case for my windows 7 install i think i'll have to move it over as it will reboot ever 2 hours from what i've heard.

I have a preordered windows 7 pro for Ã,£99 from pcworld but i have no idea whether i can or cannot do an inplace install to upgrade my rc1 to the full copy. Hopefully i can!
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: ChimpBoy on August 16, 2009, 06:30:20 PM
Cheers, thanks for the advice.

Balls to it, XP does everything I need, developers need their heads read if they don't make games compatible with XP given the install base, DX11 hardly seems a compelling reason to upgrade given the lack of hardware, and all the other fancy bits n pieces are just window dressing.

I'll pick it up in 2011 when W7 SP2 comes out :)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: T-Bag on August 16, 2009, 07:46:07 PM
Quote from: ChimpBoy;286394Cheers, thanks for the advice.

Balls to it, XP does everything I need, developers need their heads read if they don't make games compatible with XP given the install base, DX11 hardly seems a compelling reason to upgrade given the lack of hardware, and all the other fancy bits n pieces are just window dressing.

I'll pick it up in 2011 when W7 SP2 comes out :)

DX11 hardware comes out in September. When I buy some I might grab Win 7 at the same time. Though it might be a while as I'll probably get Core i7 too. Need to save for a couple of months.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: suicidal_monkey on August 17, 2009, 11:49:14 AM
strangely enough Vista has been chugging away quite happily for me for some time so I'll be sticking with that until some game I want requires me to upgrade :)

...I have been told Windows7 would be the best choice for my netbook however! Seems the graphics drivers are better than in XP and as it can be made to be less resource-hogging than Vista it's actually a good candidate :blink:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: kregoron on August 17, 2009, 01:26:43 PM
Vista ran okay for me too, but swapped to Win7 for a laugh, and tbh it runs so much better its unbelievable.. much more responsive, takes up a pile less resources and overall experience then ive ever had with Vista, even in xp..
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: BrotherTobious on August 17, 2009, 01:33:47 PM
:withstupid: Been using 7 for 3 weeks now and it is soo much better than Vista.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: ChimpBoy on August 17, 2009, 02:09:47 PM
Quote from: suicidal_monkey;286457strangely enough Vista has been chugging away quite happily for me for some time so I'll be sticking with that until some game I want requires me to upgrade :)

Precisely the same reason for why I will wait until I upgrade to W7 from XP.  Even if hardware comes out this year, no great glut of games are genuinely going to need or take advantage of DX11 until late 2010.
 
My only other alternative is to ply Smilodon with beer and pizza until he agrees to provide his services for helping me upgrade.  He seems to destroy his computer every six months or so, so has plenty of experience on what not to do  :)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: b00n on August 17, 2009, 03:44:09 PM
Just thought I'd remind everyone that the official MS download of the Windows 7 release candidate ends this month.  Even if you don't plan on installing it now, you can still get license keys (but not the install image) after this month, and it will be fully functioning until March next year, so might as well grab a copy while you can. :)

I only got around to installing it last night, and it was a very painless experience as OS installation goes, even getting my dual boot working again was straightforward.  It rather conveniently opted not to format my windows partition (although it would've been nice if it had asked me), so getting Steam and Aion up and running again was just a matter of running the installers to sort out registry settings etc.  Found it a bit odd that it didn't have a driver for my Belkin wireless card, particularly as I'd just replaced my old wireless card for lack of 64bit support, but digging out the driver disk solved that.

Liking it so far!
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Post by: b00n on August 17, 2009, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: OldBloke;286380There's no direct upgrade to Win7 from XP. Checkout the (simplified) 2nd graph on this page (http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/06/official-windows-7-upgrade-chart-is-ridiculous/).

Just to clarify: I installed Win 7 RC 64bit over my Win XP 64bit partition.  My old Program Files, Windows and Documents and Settings folders were copied to a folder called Windows.old.  All other folders in the root of my hard drive remained untouched (they may have been set to 'hidden' as I don't recall seeing them when I first booted up Win7, but then I set hidden files to visible as I always do and discovered everything was still there).

I don't recall seeing the option to format the partition when I installed Win7 although I may have missed it, but if you install over XP the way I did above then all your documents etc should still be available.  Software should still physically be there too, but for most programs you might at least have to run the installers again to make any necessary registry changes.
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Post by: BrotherTobious on August 17, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
I did a full re partion so deleted all the info off and then installed. All working well :)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Penfold on September 07, 2009, 10:33:49 AM
Spent many hours over this weekend upgrading 3 of my machines to Windows 7 Professional (twox64bit and 1x32bit). I was going to install one with ultimate but there seems so little difference between them I didn't bother with it.

Fingers crossed its worked like a charm. Have one or two older programs which won't work under 64-bit but in the main it went really well :D

I like the new taskbar, it's so much better than Vista imo and makes for a real tidy ship.

The new install system mentioned above where it doesn't format your drive is great for moving stuff around and although you need to reinstall the programs, it's handy having the old ones there to pull across settings/files etc.

Overall muchly impressed :thumbsup2:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Lee on September 07, 2009, 03:25:17 PM
Definitely pondering about getting Windows 7 as i've heard so many good things about it. I need to toy around with an RC version we have on one of our computers really to get an idea of it, but it is of a poor spec so not a great candidate for testing games on. However I still think i'll wait at least a couple of weeks after it's release before deciding whether to take the plunge.
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Post by: Carr0t on September 07, 2009, 04:08:00 PM
I'm now running the 64bit Enterprise version of the RTM on my work laptop and my home PC. Both running very smoothly, gotta say I really like it. I have done a few framerate tests with Crysis, WoW and a few others and didn't see any difference in FRAPS, but at the same time it somehow seemed a smoother, more fluid, picture. I blame a placebo effect ;)
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Post by: Penfold on September 07, 2009, 07:53:27 PM
There's nought wrong with the Placebo effect lol.

About to try CoD4 at 1900x1200. Either gonna rock or die horribly. We shall see.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: kregoron on September 07, 2009, 09:11:25 PM
Quote from: Carr0t;288941I'm now running the 64bit Enterprise version of the RTM on my work laptop and my home PC. Both running very smoothly, gotta say I really like it. I have done a few framerate tests with Crysis, WoW and a few others and didn't see any difference in FRAPS, but at the same time it somehow seemed a smoother, more fluid, picture. I blame a placebo effect ;)

it might just be in your head, but could be due to Windows 7's improved resource management.. when you run fraps or alike it only updates the framerate once like every half second, where the framerate can jump a bit more as it chances in miliseconds, so your game might be experiencing lower fluctuations in framerate, just not enough for fraps to pick it up and still enough for your eyes to see a minor difference
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Post by: Carr0t on September 08, 2009, 09:33:59 AM
Sounds about right. I'd often noticed when comparing my Vista box at about 40odd FPS in Dalaran to a friend's Mac Pro at about 25-30 (lower res), that their view somehow seemed a lot more fluid. Now i'm on 7 the two look about the same.
Title: UK university students
Post by: DuVeL on September 18, 2009, 07:23:55 AM
Get Windows 7 for Ã,£30
 
Microsoft has announced that it will offer Windows 7 Home Premium pre-orders to UK university students for just Ã,£30 from 1 October.

The software giant says the offer is designed to coincide with the start of the new academic year and will enable university students to upgrade to the latest operating system.

The offer is open to any UK student with a valid university or college email address (i.e. an email address ending in .ac.uk) and will expire on 3 January 2010, at which time the costs will revert to their normal prices.

Students "will benefit from many of Windows 7's unique functions and applications which make PCs easier, simpler and more fun to use," said Microsoft in a statement.

The company added that there will also be a special promotional price for Windows 7 Professional as well, but hasn't said how much thus far. We were unable to reach Microsoft for further comment at the time of publication. Details will presumably pop up on the Student pre-order website (http://www.microsoft.com/uk/studentoffer) nearer to the offer's start date.

LINK (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2009/09/17/get-windows-7-for-30/1)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: DarkAngel on September 18, 2009, 07:56:01 AM
Hmm Ã,£30 sick! Wonder if students can buy more than one copy?
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: b00n on September 18, 2009, 11:01:45 AM
Was about to post a link to this nice bit of news for students when I noticed the most important bit (before people go crazy and start ordering)...

QuoteMany college and university students can already get Windows 7 Professional for free through the MSDN Academic Alliance (MSDNAA) but this is offer is aimed at those who cannot. This deal reminds us most of the Ultimate Steal discounts for Microsoft Office the company also offers to students.

A quick check on my uni's AA portal shows Window 7 Professional available for download, so I got my key already and will be grabbing a copy when I get home. :D
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Carr0t on September 18, 2009, 12:04:38 PM
As I understand it, however, the MSDNAA keys are single use only. So sure, while you're a student, if you want to reinstall your OS you can just grab another key. When you stop being a studnet, however, you're stuffed. With the Ã,£30 version you get the full version of the OS, so can reinstall to your heart's content.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: T-Bag on September 18, 2009, 12:16:00 PM
I'll be buying the Ã,£30 version. I'm on a free version of vista I got from a friend who did computer science which had access to all these free softwares, that still works and they've finished their degree. I don't think it's limited to the time at uni, though you might be talking about something different to me. The version I have has been reinstalled with the same key at least 4 times.

Edit: Taken from their website:
QuoteWhether your school department has chosen an Online (downloads-only) subscription or an Online+Media subscription, you are able to obtain free Microsoft software with a license that never expiresââ,¬â€even after you graduate!
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: GhostMjr on September 18, 2009, 12:42:08 PM
THis is really interesting. Well my graduation date is after this date so fingers crossed they don't delete my uni email a/c and i will snap it up for Ã,£30

I will cancel my pcworld Ã,£89.99 as soon as i get the Ã,£30 offer.

Nice find chaps!

Do we get a CoA and box with cd aswell?
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: GhostMjr on October 13, 2009, 04:20:34 PM
Three home premium windows 7 licenses for Ã,£149.99

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/editorial/windows7-family-pack

Shame they aren't pro.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Doorman on October 13, 2009, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: GhostMjr;292676Three home premium windows 7 licenses for Ã,£149.99

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/editorial/windows7-family-pack

Shame they aren't pro.

See this bit?
*Actual retail prices may vary
What does that mean I wonder.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: albert on October 16, 2009, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: GhostMjr;292676Three home premium windows 7 licenses for Ã,£149.99

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/editorial/windows7-family-pack

Shame they aren't pro.


Have a read of the EULA and terms of the educational license. Most likely it's not valid after you graduate. Can you live with yourself :g:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: T-Bag on October 16, 2009, 06:23:12 PM
Quote from: albert;292899Have a read of the EULA and terms of the educational license. Most likely it's not valid after you graduate. Can you live with yourself :g:

Buying it after you graduate, maybe. But there's a whole load about how it's the full unrestricted version when you buy it. Same with Office 2007 from the ultimate steal. It says clearly it's not limited to your time in education.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: GhostMjr on October 19, 2009, 10:42:06 AM
My Ã,£89.99 windows 7 deal from pcworld just arrived.

I thought it wasn't suppose to be dispatched till 21st or later.

Ok on the box it says dvd included: 32-bit and 64 bit discs inside

So confirms what Oldy said possible move from 64 to 32 bit allowed.

On the box it also says

QuoteIf you are upgrading from windows xp you will need to back up your files and settings, perform a clean install and then reinstall existing firels, settings and programs
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Whitey on October 19, 2009, 06:20:56 PM
My two copies arrived today as well and it's installing on the kids PC as I type this.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Snokio on October 19, 2009, 07:05:40 PM
where did you order them from and which courier did they use?
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Doorman on October 19, 2009, 07:10:06 PM
Mine has been posted. With a bit of luck.....
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Doorman on October 19, 2009, 07:11:46 PM
Quote from: Whitey;293213My two copies arrived today as well and it's installing on the kids PC as I type this.
So it's not saying 'Geddoutta here, it's not the 22nd' then? (see another thread somewhere)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: GhostMjr on October 19, 2009, 07:47:19 PM
Quote from: Snokio;293219where did you order them from and which courier did they use?

I opted for free delivery which should have taken longer 5-7 days.

Arrived via royal mail pre paid post
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Whitey on October 19, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
Quote from: Doorman;293223So it's not saying 'Geddoutta here, it's not the 22nd' then? (see another thread somewhere)

Installed without any issues. :)

I ordered mine from Dixons.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Snokio on October 19, 2009, 10:16:35 PM
Quote from: Doorman;293222Mine has been posted. With a bit of luck.....

Mine too, just got the email from Play, but 3-5 days mind :doh:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Doorman on October 19, 2009, 10:51:02 PM
Quote from: Snokio;293244Mine too, just got the email from Play, but 3-5 days mind :doh:
My experience of Play is that I've always got what I've ordered the next day. Shugar! I've just put the mockers on it! :doh:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Doorman on October 19, 2009, 10:57:45 PM
Quote from: Whitey;293242Installed without any issues. :)
I expect it'll explode on Thursday morning. :norty:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: OldBloke on October 20, 2009, 10:52:11 AM
The best Windows tweaks still working in Windows 7. (http://lifehacker.com/5384603/the-best-windows-tweaks-that-still-work-in-windows-7)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: OldBloke on October 20, 2009, 08:11:39 PM
Amazon have posted :yahoo:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Lameduck on October 20, 2009, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: OldBloke;293348Amazon have posted :yahoo:

Not posted mine.:sad: Contacted them today as I'd heard nothing. They said they hadnt got my order, despite me quoting number.They said that belonged to another person! Mentioned that my email company went kaput/finished 8/Sept/09 and I'd changed to gmail and changed my Amazon account email address.
Said they would have to have an email from the original email address to change my order :frusty: kin idiots :taz:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: OldBloke on October 20, 2009, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: Lameduck;293354Not posted mine.:sad:

Unlucky, mate :sad:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Doorman on October 20, 2009, 09:29:09 PM
Quote from: OldBloke;293272The best Windows tweaks still working in Windows 7. (http://lifehacker.com/5384603/the-best-windows-tweaks-that-still-work-in-windows-7)
Cracking find. :thumbsup2:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Gone_Away on October 20, 2009, 10:15:01 PM
Quote from: GhostMjr;293137My Ã,£89.99 windows 7 deal from pcworld just arrived.

You mean my Windows7 :boxing:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: sulky_uk on October 22, 2009, 01:20:43 AM
some mac users on some forums are saying what windows 7 offers mac users have had for years, desktop revels etc ... i quote 1 reply
 
"I'm a Mac. Do you want to see how I can reveal the desktop with a special button?"
 
"I'm a PC. F**k off, I'm playing Left 4 Dead".
 
:roflmao::roflmao:
 
thread here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/oct/21/windows-7-launch?CMP=AFCYAH
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: T-Bag on October 22, 2009, 08:50:12 AM
Every new feature in linux or windows gets mac users saying how they have it better or have had that feature ages. Yet they can't game and have to have the ability todual boot to do things. Windows might suck but it let's me play games. If I wasn't a gamer I could probably live with linux. But I am so win 7 goes on at the weekend.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Lameduck on October 22, 2009, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: Lameduck;293354Not posted mine.:sad:

Nice man from Amazon phoned to apologise for cockup, said CD out for delivery today, arrived 1530 :D

Not kin idiots after all :yahoo:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: OldBloke on October 22, 2009, 04:29:59 PM
Quote from: Lameduck;293595Nice man from Amazon phoned to apologise for cockup, said CD out for delivery today, arrived 1530 :D

Not kin idiots after all :yahoo:

Excellent.:D

Installed mine today. Sweet as a nut ... so far :)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Doorman on October 22, 2009, 05:06:43 PM
You're all gits! :angry:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Snokio on October 22, 2009, 06:05:48 PM
Got mine today :D But probably wont install it tonight.
 
I bet you get yours tomorrow Doorman :)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: T-Bag on October 22, 2009, 06:14:28 PM
It's downloading for me now. I got the email with the link at 00:13 today. Might torrent a disk version though to make the install easier.

The product key is all I bought it for.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Doorman on October 22, 2009, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: Snokio;293605Got mine today :D But probably wont install it tonight.
 
I bet you get yours tomorrow Doorman :)
Friday, the delivery guys are on strike. :sideways:
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: A Twig on October 25, 2009, 06:55:23 PM
Currently downloading my free Pro version from MSDNAA, I knew my engineering degree was worth it!
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: T-Bag on October 25, 2009, 07:23:29 PM
Ã,£3000 per year tuition saves you Ã,£30 on the price of windows 7. 1% cash back. Result.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: A Twig on October 25, 2009, 11:44:52 PM
I'm old, I'm still on Ã,£1,300 and I come out with a MEng :D
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: T-Bag on October 26, 2009, 07:34:24 PM
Quote from: A Twig;293871I'm old, I'm still on Ã,£1,300 and I come out with a MEng :D

Ah, I was assuming you hadn't graduated. I was on a 4 year course (Mphys - a far superior subject to engineering as I'm sure you'll agree) and graduated this year. I got my student deal as I still have a email on my phd (I'm trying to setup a second uni email so I can buy a second version for my laptop - being "staff" now I hopefully can pull some strings).

(If I were you I'd sign up to the autodesk deal for students and get some free cad, inventor etc software while your account is still active.)
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: A Twig on October 27, 2009, 09:37:35 AM
I'm still busy taking full advantage of the MSDNAA at the moment, but will look at getting onto autodesk pretty soon!
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: GhostMjr on October 27, 2009, 01:53:38 PM
Right i am at last on windows 7 64 bit and have moved away from my audigy 2 soundcard as currently creative are having issues creating drivers.

The current 64-bit drivers cause white noise when talking over comms, making them useless.

Luckily my realtek on board sound card has up to date workable drivers.

So if your thinking of updating to windows 7 64-bit make sure everything works before hand :)

I also heard from toby at the lan that the older nostromo does not support windows 7, which is pretty darn harsh.
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: BrotherTobious on October 27, 2009, 01:57:36 PM
we are talking the first gen ones here lads!
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: Zootoxin on October 27, 2009, 02:03:52 PM
Looks like all the deals are now over.

Amazon Ã,£114
Ebuyer Ã,£90

and so on
Title: Win7 Pre-order from £49.99
Post by: kregoron on October 27, 2009, 03:11:41 PM
Quote from: GhostMjr;294071Right i am at last on windows 7 64 bit and have moved away from my audigy 2 soundcard as currently creative are having issues creating drivers.

The current 64-bit drivers cause white noise when talking over comms, making them useless.

Luckily my realtek on board sound card has up to date workable drivers.

So if your thinking of updating to windows 7 64-bit make sure everything works before hand :)

I also heard from toby at the lan that the older nostromo does not support windows 7, which is pretty darn harsh.

im currently using Audigy 2 @ audigy 4 (softmod) on windows 7, and having no issues what so ever