Recently we have been hearing wispering of some people not to happy with things in the guild - Please tell us what you are not happy about - if you are not comfortable putting issues here then please send me or one of the other officers a PM.
If you do not raise any issuse or questions then we cannot deal with them.
I have a raiding issue that has been particularily bothering me especially in 25 man raids.
We get a lot of people who feel they need to talk throughout the raid, whether it be telling others what to do & how to play their class, or talking randomly, yelling for heroism, saying 'go, go go' before the tanks are ready, etc.
I get that we need to talk, but there have been several times we have followed the wrong instruction, ie one given not by the raid leader or tank, & wiped because of it or nearly wiped. imo only the main tank, main healer & raid leader should be talking the majority of the raid so we get clear instructions & succeed more!
Quote from: Améthyst;283877I have a raiding issue that has been particularily bothering me especially in 25 man raids.
We get a lot of people who feel they need to talk throughout the raid, whether it be telling others what to do & how to play their class, or talking randomly, yelling for heroism, saying 'go, go go' before the tanks are ready, etc.
I get that we need to talk, but there have been several times we have followed the wrong instruction, ie one given not by the raid leader or tank, & wiped because of it or nearly wiped. imo only the main tank, main healer & raid leader should be talking the majority of the raid so we get clear instructions & succeed more!
I agree, as a healer i find it hard to concentrate on my job at hand when all i hear in my ears is "kill this, oh wait move, AMG GONNA DIE!!!".
Of course i dont mind the odd banter inbetween bosses but to be honest if people need to be reminded what they're doing mid fight then they shouldnt be in the raid as far as im concerned
Well this banal banter hit the forum a month back. I though it had got better, in that it had decreased. Is it a fine line between making the odd suggestion to raid leaders or incessantly chatting...no.
The problems lie in whether the chatters are aware, and do they read the forums?
Could the Raid leader create a macro ....
Boss Fight Starting Shut the Ã,£$% up until the end please.
The end meaning after the loot has been dished.....
To ensure raid progress ill be posting my thoughts, these are my thoughts and mine alone, so i dont expect anyone to agree
1. Performance: Im not gonna point fingers, but certain people should sit down and have a look at their numbers after a raid, as some are sub std tbh, and i dont really care if they say its their gear, certain people have been receiving loads of gear from nax and so on, and their performance is the same as 2 months ago.. which is just slack..
Spend some time reading tactics, memorize em! It impacts everyone in the raid that someone doesnt know what hes doing, it cause uneeded delays, wipes, and other problems.
Spend some time on a site like elitist jerks looking at specs & rotations it can mean a huge difference for your performance..
2. Turn up: I know DMR is a casual guild, but showing up for raids once every two weeks is a joke in my book, atleast when you actually expect to get gear when you do.. Its spreads around the loot to people who in my book isnt really there making loot "used" for guild progression.
3. Prepare: Spend some time prepare yourself and your char for a raid.. Gather pots/flasks whatever you need, its really anoying to see people showing up with nothing and seeing other spend hours farming feasts for others to use, knowing they havent really done anything themselves..
Get your gear in order, get the stuff enchanted, gemmed & whatever..
Those are just some of my thoughts, and again i dont really expect anyone to agree but might get someone to open their eyes just a tiny bit from their slumber
all very good comments so far guys - and kreg yes i do agree with a lot of what you are saying, EVERYONE can benifit from looking at logs and doing a little theory crafting, even when you have done loads there is usually something you can tweek
Quote from: sheepy;283920all very good comments so far guys - and kreg yes i do agree with a lot of what you are saying, EVERYONE can benifit from looking at logs and doing a little theory crafting, even when you have done loads there is usually something you can tweek
i spent more then most guys on EJ, reading every week, running simulations, doing mats just to find sweet spots where more dps can be found
Quote from: kregoron;283889To ensure raid progress ill be posting my thoughts, these are my thoughts and mine alone, so i dont expect anyone to agree
1. Performance: Im not gonna point fingers, but certain people should sit down and have a look at their numbers after a raid, as some are sub std tbh, and i dont really care if they say its their gear, certain people have been receiving loads of gear from nax and so on, and their performance is the same as 2 months ago.. which is just slack..
Spend some time reading tactics, memorize em! It impacts everyone in the raid that someone doesnt know what hes doing, it cause uneeded delays, wipes, and other problems.
Spend some time on a site like elitist jerks looking at specs & rotations it can mean a huge difference for your performance..
2. Turn up: I know DMR is a casual guild, but showing up for raids once every two weeks is a joke in my book, atleast when you actually expect to get gear when you do.. Its spreads around the loot to people who in my book isnt really there making loot "used" for guild progression.
3. Prepare: Spend some time prepare yourself and your char for a raid.. Gather pots/flasks whatever you need, its really anoying to see people showing up with nothing and seeing other spend hours farming feasts for others to use, knowing they havent really done anything themselves..
Get your gear in order, get the stuff enchanted, gemmed & whatever..
Those are just some of my thoughts, and again i dont really expect anyone to agree but might get someone to open their eyes just a tiny bit from their slumber
Kreg hit the nail, he is totally right, this is something the officers need to keep and aye on and have a talk with them to improve dps/healing and this is a must. And even if we are a casual raid guild i think we do expect ppl to do their best and allways show up with flask and foodbuff, and maybe see a video of a fight you dont know yet (and tbh that is not much asked of you). And it is really important to read up on your class to max out your dps if you are in doubt about you making enough dps.
If people dont wanna meet up for raiding with their flask and food buff and slacking a lot on dps (like afk, and belive me it not hard to notice a dps not doing his or hers job, and it only make the ones he does their best not angry but disapointed) i think we need to make consekvenses to keep up moral and good spirit through out the raid and guild.
And the consekvense could be a lot of things but it need to make an impact, not saying it need to be an aggressive approach but it is important the issue is taking serious.
Now lets get raids on ;)
best regards,
Limps
edit: social to casual.
I echo what is being said on here (and for the record I have no probs with the guild/raiding but yes I know some people do). it's basic to be stocked up with pots n food and don't rely on sithy (and his lil fishy helpers) for food.
Healy and dps wise (and no I can't out heal bay but apparently he is not human hehehe) I do think people need to push out and max it on fights.
I can only say that I'm here as I like the guild and my fellow guildies, so I have fun and try my hardest to do my bestest.
TTFN
Me x
QuoteI can't out heal bay
Yeh but hes just not normal :D
To be honest i don't think records can be reliable in showing my commitment during the raid, since, just to make an example, i'm far below the best healer in heal meters in every raid but maybe the 10 men.
Does that mean i'm not paying attention, or slacking during raids? I don't think so, and every member whith which i have done a 10 men ulduar raid can say how seriously i take the raids (or at least i hope you feel this way :narnar: ).
Does that mean i'm not needed? Maybe, but again, we already tried in raiding ulduar 25 with one less healer and the outcome hasn't been successful, to use an euphemism. However, now we're much better geared and we are more used to the tactics, so maybe it's worth a try.
Does that mean i'm not playing my class to its fullest? Maybe. I'm not the kind of guy who thinks he's the best one around and he's doing the best job that could ever be done and shame to people who dare to tell me what to do, i always look for advices on how to improve my playing stile, and trying myself new ways of playing my class, discarding the less efficients.
However, i agree that a better preparation before the raids can help a lot, this can be achieved by consulting the wowiki website (http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Main) or just watching the video of the fight on youtube (http://www.youtube.com), there are plenty, very well made and easy to understand. This will prevent many wipes that occur just for lack of experience.
About the people talking on ts during raids, i think there's nothing to do for it, but muting every microphone but the ones of who's supposed to talk, or just rely on the maturity of the attending players to avoid the improper use. Personally, i prefere the last option.
Well the WoW meter online logs actually does show a lot more then one would think, try looking at the Healing Target Analysis & Raid Analysis gives some nice impressions for a overall performance, ofc one then have to take into account of what classes do what, but with some knowledge and common sense you can derive a lot from those numbers..
Lets say two casters of same class performs very different, then you look at specs, if they got similar based specs, and ofc you take into account for variation in gear..
But WMO logs shows things like number of casts, if Caster 1 has twice as many casts as Caster 2, you know where the issue is.. and it needs to be addressed..
I think Kreg & Tirk both have good points.
Re Healing Meters:
Healing meters (e.g. Recount) can be highly misleading. As the person who sets the healing assignments for Elysium I can make pretty much any particular healer I want be the top healer on the meters simply by changing their assignment. However as Kreg said, analytical tools like WMO are massively helpful and can really educate you as to how to improve your performance as a healer (or any other class/role for that matter).
Take your last 25 man logs as an example. A quick 2 minute review told me that:
-one of your healers has not glyphed properly for their spec
-two of your healers completely forgot to use one of their key abilities during a fight and that a third healer remembered to use a key ability once only when it was available four times during a fight.
-one healer chooses to major glyph for a spell they hardly ever use
-one healing class under-utlises one of the key spells in their healing armory
-another healer glyphs for one spell but actually mostly uses another (also glyphable) healing spell
That's a quick review and there us WAY more info there to help you improve if you want to look at the logs. You could do a similar list for melee or ranged dps or tanks etc, it just depends if you want to make those improvements.
It is easy to spot the gaps in rotations or the misuse of spells or glyphs and the resulting changes can seriously improve your performance. The things I mentioned take very little time to correct and if I had to guess then I would estimate that the changes they imply are needed would have improved the healing effectiveness by about 10%, improved mana efficiency and opened the possibility of dropping a healer to add a much needed dps to get the boss kill.
So, the logs are most defintely useful.
Ill own up to 2/5 of them
And they should be easy to fix... he says changing the habits of a lifetime
Quote from: TeaLeaf;284135It is easy to spot the gaps in rotations or the misuse of spells or glyphs and the resulting changes can seriously improve your performance.
What did you mean by that? As a holy paladin, I'm pretty much used to think that i have to adapt my rotation to the kind of damage i have to heal, sometimes i can forsee them exactly (for example in IC fight - on Steelbreaker tank) and sometime i just have to figure out (in a very short time, of course) if that player needs an instant to survive for the next heal or he can survive 2 seconds for the biggest one (usually i don't consider flesh of light if not on a target with sacred shield on). What i'm trying to ask is: Is there a particular rotation i have to stick to at all costs, or were your words referred to another class?
Quote-one of your healers has not glyphed properly for their spec
Lemme guess, that me?
and probably me jim,
Quote from: Tirkad;284177What did you mean by that? As a holy paladin, I'm pretty much used to think that i have to adapt my rotation to the kind of damage i have to heal, sometimes i can forsee them exactly (for example in IC fight - on Steelbreaker tank) and sometime i just have to figure out (in a very short time, of course) if that player needs an instant to survive for the next heal or he can survive 2 seconds for the biggest one (usually i don't consider flesh of light if not on a target with sacred shield on). What i'm trying to ask is: Is there a particular rotation i have to stick to at all costs, or were your words referred to another class?
Tirk, any healer will have to adapt to a fight, so things will always be different from fight to fight and from cast to cast. However I was trying to make a more generic point in that if you are a healer with a specific type of healing assignment then typically the data should still look like that of that healer class with that type of assignment. If you are veering away from the expected numbers/norms then there needs to be a reason. That reason might be a good & valid one, but it might just be you doing something less effectively than better players. The point is to look to see where you differ from expected theorycrafting returns and understand why. The main problem is that most people who are underperforming do not understand why and have probably never bothered to look to find out.
TL.
Rofl... I know you don't want to do names, TL, becouse it's a bad attitude and all, but since you're an officer and people is beginning to speculate wildly on those names i think it's better to have those names before the ones who glyphed/specced good change their spec by mistake getting the situation worse. :narnar:
Edit: Anyway, things are going to change a lot in the next patch: with the fix on the beacon of light and the new holy goodies, i guess it will be much more fun to play. Pity for the n-th nerf on illumination tho.
Quote from: Tirkad;284195Rofl... I know you don't want to do names, TL, becouse it's a bad attitude and all, but since you're an officer and people is beginning to speculate wildly on those names i think it's better to have those names before the ones who glyphed/specced good change their spec by mistake getting the situation worse. :narnar:
Edit: Anyway, things are going to change a lot in the next patch: with the fix on the beacon of light and the new holy goodies, i guess it will be much more fun to play. Pity for the n-th nerf on illumination tho.
Well i guess the reason that TL isnt telling names here, is that it isnt really his job to do this, everyone should continually looking at the spec/glyphs and so on, so if people just had a look, compared with their spec, it becomes quite clear fast what could be a benefit to adjust..
I bet he would be more then happy if asked nicely, and so would i
Quote from: kregoron;284239Well i guess the reason that TL isnt telling names here, is that it isnt really his job to do this, everyone should continually looking at the spec/glyphs and so on, so if people just had a look, compared with their spec, it becomes quite clear fast what could be a benefit to adjust..
I bet he would be more then happy if asked nicely, and so would i
When i joined this guild, Evo offered to help me improving my skills with my paladin. needless to say, i took the chance at once, and we still use to discuss better ways to improve our contribution to the raid, only that the others don't see most of it, since it's usually done through whispers. However, that's becouse it's how i'm used to interact with other people. I know by experience that there are people who think they're doing it right, since noone is telling them anything, and thus they don't dare changing anything, sometimes afraid to get things worse. Since i'm not an officer, and i don't think i know the other classes better than the players who play them, i don't dare giving advices, but i'm happy if an officer, as much as anyone who knows how to play my class, gives me advices or just tells me his point of view.
This is a game in constant evolution, with patches and hotfixes changing it without much of a warning, usually, and it's not rare that a person has to change a lot his play style according to the new theorycrafting to keep the pace.
That's why,
in my opinion there's nothing wrong if an officer tells you explicitly what he thinks you can do to improve your contribution to the raid (and of course to the whole guild). But again that's just
my point of view.
Tirk, sorry if you thought I was being evasive. The reason I did not bring up names is that whilst I am an officer here in the DMR guild I am not a raider here and therefore I feel slightly less comfortable in posting a list of "you should do this" things when I do not know the personalities involved as well as I would like. The other reason was that I took a quick look at one random healing class only, not all classes, and I did not want to single out people from one class when I had not also reviewed other classes too. It was priests out of interest, but I am sure that similar information is available for other classes if I looked at the logs. I was not trying to stop people learning, I was trying to fire up some interest in improving performance. I tried to do the same in the Hodir night raid thread by pointing out the difference in dps when the buffs are used properly, but I am not sure how many people actually saw the staggering numbers.
TL.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;284312It was priests out of interest.
Ok, now we know what class it is, feel free to tell us the names, do it by whisper / PM or whatever, i dont mind any help that im given but if no-one tells me that im doing something wrong, how am i gonna know?
I do check the logs and theres some fights i'd love to try and improve on, take Hodir, i could easily throw on more PW:S's on people to help with mitigation, but i have far too much to be watching to worry about PW:Sing more than myself + The Main Tank, and giving someone a 5k absorb while in the same GCD the tank ends up dieing then its just not worth it... And its far to much of a mana burn seeing as im healing, moving and dispelling on the fight :S I barely manage to keep enough mana to heal before enrage.
Just my 2p
Oh and another thing,
I think we spend far to much saying to people during raids that they're doing something wrong and then neglecting the people that are doing a great job... not saying this in a way to "big myself up" but on the Hodir fight, i was busting my backside off to keep people dispelled from the Frost Nova, and not one person said "Great Job on the dispels Jim, Keep it up!"... More of that = more motivation = more focus on bosses = more kills... simples
Jim
Quote from: TeaLeaf;284312Tirk, sorry if you thought I was being evasive. The reason I did not bring up names is that whilst I am an officer here in the DMR guild I am not a raider here and therefore I feel slightly less comfortable in posting a list of "you should do this" things when I do not know the personalities involved as well as I would like.
Well, as i said on the other posts, i always prefere to be spoken to explicitly, instead of playing the "guess who" game. In addition, if you're not thinking of yourself as a raider officer, i think you're at very least a really good consultant. But again, maybe you're right, maybe in the guild there is a I'm-the-best-player-of-my-class-and-shame-on-the-fools-who-tell-me-how-to-play-it person, i still have to know most of the people in the guild myself. :narnar:
Names should never been maked public in a topic like this or any other topic.
If someone can improve his/her playing by changing something it should be said by a pm. And then by an officer or by someone who got asked to look at it.
It is a game that changes alot and people need to adept every time on the changes for there class etc.
just what i wanted to add after reading some...
Quote from: Ice Hawk;284328It is a game that changes alot and people need to adept every time on the changes for there class etc.
But in hindsight this is a game that WE play and WE can play the way that we want too, do we all really want to be exactly the same as any other (in your case) Feral kittycat as every other player, some people need their uniqueness
Ey, even me, i woulda gone holy if i had been forced into it, but chose disc because i love the spec and its what I wanted to play
Just a couple of things I agree with here.
Quote from: Jim;284323Oh and another thing,
I think we spend far to much saying to people during raids that they're doing something wrong and then neglecting the people that are doing a great job... not saying this in a way to "big myself up" but on the Hodir fight, i was busting my backside off to keep people dispelled from the Frost Nova, and not one person said "Great Job on the dispels Jim, Keep it up!"... More of that = more motivation = more focus on bosses = more kills... simples
Jim
I too find that we have had far more negative reinforcement than positive which is a shame as many of our members do amazing jobs in raids & are never mentioned or thanked publically & no I am not asking for a pat on the back here I may make fish feasts but I am sure my gameplay still needs tweaks & improvement & no way could I dispell as fast as Jim. :o
Quote from: Ice Hawk;284328Names should never been maked public in a topic like this or any other topic.
If someone can improve his/her playing by changing something it should be said by a pm. And then by an officer or by someone who got asked to look at it.
It is a game that changes alot and people need to adept every time on the changes for there class etc.
Again, I agree names should never be said if it is to point out what is believed to be a fault or problem, as Ice says there are many other ways to get this across to the member.
Yes, the game changes all the time & we must be prepared to change with it to keep at the top end of it.
Quote from: Jim;284332But in hindsight this is a game that WE play and WE can play the way that we want too, do we all ready want to be exactly the same as any other (in your case) Feral kittycat as every other player, some people need their uniqueness.
But, it is only a game, we should laugh, smile, & have fun first. :D
We are looking at ways of better getting across suggestions, etc. And we have dealt with a few members privately and improved their game no end. I have helped a couple of people with specs and rotations but nothing like some others.
I agree that, unless the member posts in the forum asking for help, offers to help should be made via /w or PM.
So, everyone. Please keep an eye on the logs and if you're coming up short in the dps compared to others of your class and you'd like some help, have a word with some other members for some suggestions. We are all here to help each other.
Just to add my thoughts on this.
I always read Elitist for the most up to date information, i am continually looking at my logs and comparing them to others of my class (dill) to find out why there dps is better than mine, looking at percentages of different spells used in specs and things like that. I also have little whispers in game to see what spec they tried and why they do different things in some fights.
I think this is the best way of learning, and it keeps u on your toes about your best spec. Also it helps if you an play the spec that you enjoy most!
Well, i think this discussion is misdirected now. Idea of TL post was (in my opinion) to show us, that combat log is very useful in many ways. It was example what we can see after 2 mins checking that. Unfortunatelly we start to argue around, instead of go to this log and try to check what we can discover there to improve.
Anyway, my input here is about to agree with Ducky arguments atm. I feel we are miss some understanding "casual raiding" rules. Casual raiding still needs everybody work and effort. It means we need to be on time, prepared, with knowledge of tactics (videos available on website are 5-8 mins long).
I understand it as respect to others. Some ppl (like me) value those 3 hours 2-3 times a week very much, so would like to see everybody else do so as well :)
Anyway, we do good work, and lets keep it!
Quote from: Jim;284332But in hindsight this is a game that WE play and WE can play the way that we want too, do we all really want to be exactly the same as any other (in your case) Feral kittycat as every other player, some people need their uniqueness
Ey, even me, i woulda gone holy if i had been forced into it, but chose disc because i love the spec and its what I wanted to play
If that's what you all get from my post, i really need to improve my english... :narnar:
In your case jim, you know that we (or at least me) want you as you are, becouse you know that when you're not around, we have to make someone else take your disc priest job, and you're the one that enjoys it most sos far.
About the minmax, i really don't think this is a guild where you HAVE to stick to a particular spec just becouse it's commonly thought the best one, i've seen we have a lot of freedom in the spec, as long as we bring the raid a reasonable contribution. Becouse i think that's what we're talking about: end game raiding. If you have to play a spec you don't like just to squeeze 50 or 100 more dps, i'm the first who says that's stupid, but if you can improve your contribution by a large amount, and since you play with other 24 people who put quite some time and effort to make the raid succeed, not only during the raids, but during the whole week to make their char up to it (farming golds/mats for flask, gems, gear, enchants, and so on), it's at least worth a try.
Well now i will clear my head.. As today things just became to much to stay quiet. Yes this happend before and is still going on....
What i am going to say doesn't count for the raiders that are always there and always have there stuff sorted. But there are a few among us that really should freaking wake up!
What happend today (and happend a few times aswell in the past, with also the same people) was that we had people missing in the raid. Happens from time to time, some come a bit late etc. But that aint the problem.
We have people that prefer to play an ALT when there is an raid and they are a raiding member. It is really like: Guild plz go on a wipefest or call the raid i stay on my alt....... Or that they wanna bring in their alt into the raid. And give a nice little excuse that his/her main aint raid ready atm. (srry.. your main not raid ready but your alt is???) today we where given the excuse not the gear needed, no money for repairs and i think there where a few more...
Money aint a freaking problem 30mins of just doing daily q's gets you enough gold to repair a full wipefest and buy your food/flasks that are all needed.
Then the reason about his/her gear.. The main toon has full naxx 25 gear and has been in Uldu a couple of times... the alt in this matter of today has only seen a few heroics... is it me or am i missing something that heroics has uber uber gear??
There are a few members incl. myself that would love to bring in our alts but we won't as our Mains are needed, they are geared for raiding etc. etc.
Raiding is a team game we all expect that we do our best for the guild.
But what happend here was just not normal....
I had a few more things to say, but lost that thnx to the big kill...
and maybe i should say some things a bit different but i think i kept it nice.. and i think most will get the point on what i was pointing at.
Its all constructive criticism, cos if we didnt give a crap we wouldnt bother posting.
i had my best fight with the slag pot guy and his buddies ever, but know my DPS was crap, so turned off my recount.... :yahoo: :D i should stop here....
I agree with Ice on pots n stuff however if someone forgets or has no $Ã,£$Ã,£ then I think we should accomodate them as we all carry a few more.
If someone is spinning Bull S@?! about their Main being injured/missing in action/all their gear stolen by the pink panther etc etc etc etc yes 4 etc, then their attitude is at best insular, at worst not really in line with dMw values. Further it treats the intelligence of others with contempt.
If you really want to change your alt to main etc then pre raid is not the best time as you effectively hold the whole raid to ransom.
btw always happy to boost .........
Quote from: Mat;284404Well, i think this discussion is misdirected now. Idea of TL post was (in my opinion) to show us, that combat log is very useful in many ways. It was example what we can see after 2 mins checking that. Unfortunatelly we start to argue around, instead of go to this log and try to check what we can discover there to improve.
Anyway, my input here is about to agree with Ducky arguments atm. I feel we are miss some understanding "casual raiding" rules. Casual raiding still needs everybody work and effort. It means we need to be on time, prepared, with knowledge of tactics (videos available on website are 5-8 mins long).
I understand it as respect to others. Some ppl (like me) value those 3 hours 2-3 times a week very much, so would like to see everybody else do so as well :)
Anyway, we do good work, and lets keep it!
Spot on! All of it!
Hi me again!
I think everyone has valid points on thing s and I really think this whole conversation has made us all step back and think what can we change/do better and last nite we proved we can do it.
So listening to what was said previously about promoting positivity, I would like to say about last nite's raid and specifically on Hodir:
Sithy & Ame - thanks for the fishies
Jim - thanks for the dispelling
Icy - thanks for the innervate
All officers - thanks for answering my questions about the frost gear on hodir and to Dillinja for testing out a piece of frost resi gear on one attempt and providing feedback.
Limpsy - for keeping me on my toes!
Tanks - for awesome spanking
DPS - for pumping it out
Healy's - for doing your thang and doing it well
And to you all we really made the extra extra effort on downing Hodir so I /salute you :D
Finally, I'd like to thank god, my manager/PR and my mum, in that order.
Lola <3
Positive encouragement.
As healing officer i make two targets:
- I will always always thank all of my healers for a good nights work ( assuming there in dmrhealz and staythere long enough to read it :P )
- If i see anything i think people can improve on i will tell them.
With regard to this im not sure if theres a dmrtankz or a dmrdps for specific roles in the raid, but my undestanding is that 99% of the time i always hear a well done and a thankyou echo'd from a officer on TS or in raid chat at the end of a raid.
And on the second point, i will tell you, as ive said to many people in the past i do not intend to offend you and am not trying to tell you how to play your class. I am merely offering advice that ive found by going through the logs, reading elitistjerks etc whether or not you choose to take it is your decision, but i make these recomendations as I understand that people have busy lives and perhaps dont have the time to spend countless hours on EJ like others do.
Evo x
I undertand that the 2 groups were saved to Ulduar and that it made perfect sense to carry with the 10 ghoulies and zombies, and good luck.
Obviously I (and few others maybe) would like to have joined but appreciate we will all need to sit out a few now the guild is growing, WE have come a far way since the dark days when there was no SOG from dMw and just me and Sheep.
Could we perhaps put people (not Toons) out of their misery waiting for a nod or a wink as soon as possible. Did I miss it ? it seemed like a few went off line and that was my nod that I wasn't in. Guild chat and TS could be utilised for this. I try not to whisper the raid leaders as they have enough hassle. :taz:
Also please refrain from making statements
"those that are not in tonight (Last Thursday) will definately be in on Sunday," when this doesnt transpire on Sunday ..... then doesn't transpire on the Tuesday either, you think you must have given people bad fish.
Please take this message as it is intended i.e. constructive criticism...
and for the people reading this in the future... in a few weeks time having missed a couple of raids, its not personal it happened to me..unless its me reading this and ive missed a month or so...... :doh:
nice ramblings sithy.
yup we do need to put in to guild chat a message that says raids grp / raid grps full, please hang around if you can incase of any replacements needed
Im sure there will soon be enough for 3 x 10man raids going through at the same time ghouls/zombies/ninja's? :D
Im out of the game for 2 weeks of every month whilst im on nights/afters. 9-6am and 1pm-9pm. No good :(
For those of you that were aware i got frustrated tonight and took it out on Zahrah and Lola in the healing channel which caused lola to be upset and then swapping out with baylien....
Obviously everyone loses their cool occasionally and im not normally one to have that happen so i would first of all like to apologise to Lola and Zahrah, and the officers, especially Necrojelly, Baylien and Evoxer who were there at the time, and then for the other officers that were later involved...
I have whispered the officers and the people involved, explaining what happened and hope its all cleared up
Well, Chow, Jim
Thank you for you comments jim, it takes guts to stand up and say when you think you were out of line (god knows ive done it and apologised for it in the past). Im sure that your apology will be noted by those concerned.
But i would like to take the oportunity to remind EVERYONE that we are as much a community as a guild, a hurtfull comment to one can hurt all, thus I personally am thankfull for you comments jim. We have to function as a team, and i know this is difficult from time to time, please be constructive not destructive.
Quote from: DannagE;285197Im sure there will soon be enough for 3 x 10man raids going through at the same time ghouls/zombies/ninja's? :D
I'm for Ghouls/Zombies/Skeletons =P
Skeletons seems fitting
Nah, Corpses more fitting
Quote from: Jim;285202For those of you that were aware i got frustrated tonight and took it out on Zahrah and Lola in the healing channel which caused lola to be upset and then swapping out with baylien....
Obviously everyone loses their cool occasionally and im not normally one to have that happen so i would first of all like to apologise to Lola and Zahrah, and the officers, especially Necrojelly, Baylien and Evoxer who were there at the time, and then for the other officers that were later involved...
I have whispered the officers and the people involved, explaining what happened and hope its all cleared up
Well, Chow, Jim
On my part I was feeling ill and delicate and just couldn't deal with it all and Baylien kindly took my place - had it been a different day I prob woulda just given Jim the finger and called him a c*ck (in joke with me and Jim, only he will geddit). Anyway we all have off days and Jim and I have resolved it and it's all forgotten about (and for those who think women can't do that you are wrong :P)
:byebye:
Quote from: Lola;285376Anyway we all have off days and Jim and I have resolved it and it's all forgotten about (and for those who think women can't do that you are wrong :P)
:byebye:
Very true, if we never forgot things we would not have more children or live with men, EVER!!! :yahoo:
I'm a little lost here... Are you talking about the fact that is used to say that "men don't forgive but forget and women forgive but never forget"?
Quote from: Tirkad;285573I'm a little lost here... Are you talking about the fact that is used to say that "men don't forgive but forget and women forgive but never forget"?
I have no idea I've forgotten already...
Constructive Criticism.
Lots of peopel missed Potions last night I dont think we have Ulduar on farm yet.
This could be the difference is between pass/fail sometimes.
Some people have serious issues around enchants on their gear too.
Even belts without belt buckles.
No one knows everything about wow, certainly not me by any stretch, but we do have a lot of knowledge and the people/guildies who will always help out or advise.
So just ask,,,