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Forum Archive 2023 => dMw's Community Centre => Community Archive => Dead Men Folding => Topic started by: TeaLeaf on September 15, 2003, 08:34:49 AM

Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on September 15, 2003, 08:34:49 AM
If you have an AMD processor installed and running the folding client then you'll want to be running SSE - as it folds about 30% faster than normal - and that means 30% more points!  Gromacs cores allow SSE, Tinker cores do not.

Edit the target line of the F@H shortcut in the startup menu to add the following:

-forceasm -advmethods

There needs to be a space after the end quote in your shortcut and then add the text.  This will force SSE and mean you fold faster for more points.  Wuuuuu ;)

Hope this helps.

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: Tutonic on September 16, 2003, 03:12:47 PM
[14:01:34] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[14:01:34] Entering M.D.
[14:01:54] (Starting from checkpoint)
[14:01:54] Protein: p800_p53dimer800
[14:01:54]
[14:01:54] Writing local files
[14:01:55] Extra SSE boost OK.

VROOM!

Tah m8 :)
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: sheepy on September 16, 2003, 06:44:20 PM
what target line , do u meen a shortcut???? i dont hvce a short cut, f@h starts as soon as computer boots and stops when its shut down
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on September 16, 2003, 08:45:36 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by sheepy@Sep 16 2003, 06:44 PM
what target line , do u meen a shortcut???? i dont hvce a short cut, f@h starts as soon as computer boots and stops when its shut down
Go to your Startup folder.
You will find a F@H shortcut (which is *how* F@H starts every time you boot your machine)
Right click on the shortcut and select properties.
In the 'Target' line, add the flags as described and close the window.

Next time your F@H starts you will see a SSE comment in the logs as opposed to a 3DNOW comment.

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: sheepy on September 30, 2003, 11:09:40 AM
when i add the shortcut i get this message

the name 'c:\programfiles\folding@home\winFAH.exe -forceasm -advmethods ' specified in the target box is not vaild. make shure the path and file name are correct.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: DogMeat on September 30, 2003, 12:33:49 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by sheepy@Sep 30 2003, 11:09 AM
when i add the shortcut i get this message

the name 'c:\programfiles\folding@home\winFAH.exe -forceasm -advmethods ' specified in the target box is not vaild. make shure the path and file name are correct.
Make sure the extra commands are outside the quotes in the properties box:

"c:\programfiles\folding@home\winFAH.exe" -forceasm -advmethods

DM
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: sheepy on September 30, 2003, 01:02:06 PM
thanx doggers
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: sheepy on September 30, 2003, 01:07:09 PM
for some reason i have and extra 3dnow boost not the other thing

[12:03:57] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[12:03:57] Entering M.D.
[12:06:41] (Starting from checkpoint)
[12:06:41] Protein: p572_L939_K12M
[12:06:41]
[12:06:41] Writing local files
[12:06:41] Completed 485000 out of 500000 steps  (97)
[12:06:41] Extra 3DNow boost OK.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: DuVeL on October 14, 2003, 10:19:13 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Sep 15 2003, 07:34 AM
If you have an AMD processor installed and running the folding client then you'll want to be running SSE - as it folds about 30% faster than normal - and that means 30% more points!  Gromacs cores allow SSE, Tinker cores do not.

Edit the target line of the F@H shortcut in the startup menu to add the following:

-forceasm -advmethods

There needs to be a space after the end quote in your shortcut and then add the text.  This will force SSE and mean you fold faster for more points.  Wuuuuu ;)

Hope this helps.

TL.
Where can I edit the target line??? I'm a noob so plz help out in the good interest of the team.  ;)
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on October 15, 2003, 07:52:26 AM
This assumes you are running the console version.  If you are running the graphical version then the client name is slightly different, but the principle remains the same.Turning on the SSE capability of your CPU means that you fold about 30% faster than normal.

Hope this helps you!

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: DuVeL on October 15, 2003, 04:35:40 PM
Did exactly what you've said: "C:\Program Files\Folding@Home\winFAH.exe" -local -advmethods -forceasm

I checked twice after that and I have: Extra 3DNow boost OK.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on October 15, 2003, 05:26:54 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by DuVeL@Oct 15 2003, 04:35 PM
Did exactly what you've said: "C:\Program Files\Folding@Home\winFAH.exe" -local -advmethods -forceasm

I checked twice after that and I have: Extra 3DNow boost OK.
OK, I assume you are folding on an Athlon?  I think you said you had the 2600.  If you are on a Penium then bad luck.

If you are on an Athlon then go and download the 3.25 beta console version.  
Copy the console into the F@H folder.
Pause the F@H client.  Then quit the client.
Change your shortcuts to point at the Beta client.
Restart folding.
It will pick up where the old client left off (you lose nothing) and you will now have SSE enabled.

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: DuVeL on October 15, 2003, 09:30:07 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf+Oct 15 2003, 04:26 PM-->
QUOTE (TeaLeaf @ Oct 15 2003, 04:26 PM)
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on October 15, 2003, 09:33:17 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by DuVeL@Oct 15 2003, 09:30 PM
I will try it tomorrow. Just started folding a new one. Is folding a 500 in 1 day fast or not?
It depends on the WU - some are bigger and longer than others.  Check the credits for that project (link is given in a stickied topic below this topic) and you'll have soe idea.  You'll get used to the speed of folding on your machine real quickly.  The biggest WUs on my 2500 Barton take about 21 hours.  That means about 13 minutes per frame.  OTOH there are some that go through at 3-4 minutes per frame.  Anything smaller is chewed up and spat back to Stanford in less than 21 hours.....

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: Grimnar on October 15, 2003, 10:41:08 PM
I put in toose things.


And now i'm busy with a 2500 :wacko:

aahh well number 8 in progress:)
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on November 08, 2003, 09:32:41 AM
One incredibly simple tip to increase your folding rate is simply to leave your machine on *all* the time.  You can see from the team score webpage how many processors (approx) people have folding for them and from this information you can guess whether or not they leave their PCs on overnight.  

I manage to get my folding points from 5 machines that are on all of the time, with a couple of neighbour's machines that do a few hours a day.  That gives me over 250 points per day.

Try it, you'd be amazed at how quickly your points rack up :thumbsup:

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on November 08, 2003, 09:37:06 AM
Not many people suffer from any lag or stutter when running F@H, but if you are one of the few who do, then just reduce the maximum CPU utilisation from 100% to 90%.  This 'cushion' will solve the problem straight away.

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on December 23, 2003, 07:10:09 AM
As your Christmas present to the Folding Team, why not leave your PCs on 24/7 until the New Year?  The added points will help keep us ahead of Tweaktown and help us break the 150,000 points mark before the end of 2003 :D

Trust me, it works! :D

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on January 12, 2004, 10:32:21 PM
Everything above this post talked about version before 4.0.  

With F@H version 4.0 there are some new flags added.  Of interest to us in this thread is SSE enabling.  If you want SSE enabled under version 4.0 and later then you need to add the flag -forcesse to your target line.  

Existing users can remove the -forceasm flag that used to enable SSE under the 3.25 beta version.

If you do not do this then you will be getting 3DNow instead :(

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: Norm on January 18, 2004, 10:36:57 PM
Ok,haveing spoken to TL and swoop about various Linux options,we found something that may be of interest to a few people who run multiboard farms.
Obviously you could run F@H from a hardrive and O/S as normal,but this program allows you to run Linux with F@H client directly from a cd drive onto ramdisk,no hard drive needed.Not  fully up to speed on it but will edit this post as and when I do. :)

Here it is here (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ofdx/)

FAQ here (http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?t=1232&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

Norm
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on January 18, 2004, 10:39:54 PM
:lol:

Sorry Norm, I edited the url in for you as you did!

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: Norm on January 18, 2004, 10:42:26 PM
:D No problem edit away  :lol:
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: Gone_Away on January 20, 2004, 09:25:41 PM
Hey TL I get this in my Log:

Arguments: -forcesse

Warning:
 By using the -forceSSE flag, you are overriding program
 safeguards that monitor the stability of SSE
 instructions on your system. If you did not intend
 to do this, please restart the program without
 -forceSSE. If work units are not completing fully,
 then please discontinue use of the flag.

Dat OK?
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on January 20, 2004, 10:01:46 PM
Yep that's fine.  -forceasm did the same thing but you never saw the warning.  I have it running and it has not caused any problems for me on any of the rigs.

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: Rabbi Bob on June 06, 2004, 04:08:43 PM
TL,

What is the procedure for getting the Fold to start at boot up under Linux?  I manage my linbox via ssh console 90% of the time, so I can start a fold, obv lose it when I close the session.  I see you are using it under FCore.

Tnx
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on June 06, 2004, 04:46:10 PM
Using it is stretching it - I have it on CD ready to install on my Fedora machine once I get an internet connection at my new office.  I'll let you know when I find out, or you can let me know if you find out earlier.  I think Norm is also running F@H under Fedora so he may know already.

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: Rabbi Bob on June 07, 2004, 06:28:47 PM
Thanks.  I tried...and ended up knocking three services offline, including Apache and Webmin...

<-n00b

If I can get this working, I'll have two boxes (1.0ghz Linux and a 1.2ghz Linux) to bring into 'the fold'.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: Rabbi Bob on June 11, 2004, 11:08:50 AM
Via Webmin (http://www.webmin.com) (http://localhost:10000)->Others:

Created a custom command: dMw Folding

Command: ./FAH4Console-Linux.exe -forcesse
Run in directory: Folding
Run as user: root
  • Use User's Environment
Command Outputs HTML: yes (so you can see it kick off)
{save}

Then invoke the command from the main custom page.  It's not automatic yet, but if your box is stable, this should work well for the average user.

> ps -A
  PID TTY          TIME CMD
  1673 ?        00:13:24 FahCore_65.exe
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2005, 11:07:52 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Nov 8 2003, 09:37 AM
Not many people suffer from any lag or stutter when running F@H, but if you are one of the few who do, then just reduce the maximum CPU utilisation from 100% to 90%. This 'cushion' will solve the problem straight away.

TL.
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How do I do this? F@H is running as a service and it warns not to start console from folder if service running.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: TeaLeaf on January 09, 2005, 05:28:43 PM
Stop it running as a service, then start it manually with the -config flag appended and it will ask for the options.

TL.
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2005, 05:32:20 PM
cheers
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: Bastet on July 15, 2006, 07:21:46 PM
By lack of a better thread,
 
I got an issue w/ folding @ home, when playing some games or apps, the folding program keeps alt tabing then. When shut down alt tabs stop. Any1 have any bright ideas on how to stop this from happening?
:blink:
Title: Folding - Hints & Tips
Post by: BigFatCat on July 16, 2006, 06:47:07 AM
Are you running multiple instances in DOS boxes? The later versions support installing as an unobtrusive background service. There's an install script in the forums somewhere too if you want to DIY.
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