First of all, I gotta say I really really enjoyed this combo a lot. I have never been as competitive nor as consistent on any of the dMr combo's as I was on this one. I had some terrific racing during the week, lots of close and exciting battles, bumper to bumper racing sometimes for laps on end :boxing: Not so in yesterday's long race, though. I had no direct battles or close racing the entire race. But it was in no way a boring or lonely race for me. Far from it...
I qualified 5th. I had a good start, passed Vobler on the straight under the bridge. He seemed to lift, I'm guessing 'cause he didn't want to take any chances. So I gratefully took advantage :) I then passed Seany going into the first left hander, putting me in 3rd place behind Deeslider and Romus.
I knew Romus was too quick for me to keep up with, but Deeslider seemed to be driving at the same pace. I thought I could probably try and fight him for 2nd place, but instead of risking damage or overheating my tyres and possibly having him breathing down my neck for the whole race I decided to settle into a rythm behind him while focussing on consistency; concentrating on my racing line, braking and turn in points and keeping my right front tyre from overheating. Seany and Slider46 weren't far behind me, but after the first few laps it became clear that they just couldn't quite match the pace me and Deeslider were driving at. They weren't much slower, a few tenths per lap at best, but it was enough to put me at ease so I could fully concentrate on holding on to Deeslider. I figured he was bound to make a mistake sooner or later so I'd just bide my time until that happened :flirty:
The laps went by and Seany and Slider46 kept falling behind little by little while me and Deeslider were running almost identical laptimes with a gap of 1 - 2 seconds. Sometimes the gap would grow when he had a good lap and/or I was a bit slower but I'd always crawl back closer to him. He never made a mistake, though :) Around the 20 minute mark I started to get a bit worried about my right front tyre. I could keep the temperatures in check but it seemed to be wearing a bit thin. I think I was looking at the F9 menu as much as I was looking at the road :lmfao: I made it to the 30 minute mark at which time I pitted and was relieved to exit the pits with a fresh right front after a 7 second pitstop.
I came back out of the pits in 6th position but after 5 or so more laps I was back into 3rd as other people made their stop. Deeslider and Romus hadn't pitted yet so they were well ahead of me, but I was confident I would be right back on Deeslider's rear bumper after he had made his pitstop. I was wrong :sideways: His pitstop took only ~4 seconds, which means he gained about 3 seconds on me. I'm guessing he didn't have any tyres changed; he was on R4's after all, whereas I was using R3's.
By this time - around the 40 minute mark I believe it was - I noticed that my left front tyre was wearing thin as well and I couldn't get any temperature in it. It affected my cornering and I couldn't quite keep the same pace as I did in the first half of the race. I settled for 3rd place, kept a close eye on the guy behind me (forgot who it was) who was a couple of seconds behind me. Not close enough to make me feel pressured so I just kept on and focussed on my lines.
In the last couple of laps, though, the gap with Deeslider shrank considerably and in the last couple of corners of the race I was right on his tail again, but it wasn't enough. He crossed the finish line only tenths ahead of me :)
Congratulations to Romus and Deeslider, who both drove a flawless race. And to me for my first ever podium in a dMr long race :yahoo:
Congrats Romus :yahoo:
All week I must have tried a different setup in each race to try and find one that matched my driving style to hot front tyres, eventually after Bob suggested I tried RaceS I found one that could last the distance, I messed with it a bit but for the race I put on the standard raceS with R4s on the front.
Qualified 8th and prepared my basket, I spent the first half on my own, trying to keep clean but just after halfway I clipped a wall and bent the front right wheel so pitted (for me) early. CrazyR1 went past so I came out in 9th and had some great laps trying to overtake him, I pushed him hoping he would overheat his front right and eventually he started to go wide into left handers, my tyres were fine and I got past. I got a yellow flag warning followed by Vobler on ventrilo instructing Cuball on who has the line into corners, I passed them both and in the deathly silence that followed I put some space between them and me. Romus lapped me on the last lap and I finished 6th.
Quote from: Jamin;293668I got a yellow flag warning followed by Vobler on ventrilo instructing Cuball on who has the line into corners, I passed them both and in the deathly silence that followed I put some space between them and me.
Sorry about that. I usually don't have outbursts in those situations. That was probably my second one in all my sim racing career.
It will not happen again.
Hmm, sounds like I missed something on Ventrilo then :D
Good report Obsolum and congratulations for the good performance. I had already earlier this week noticed your good speed.
Quote from: obsolum;293661...so I could fully concentrate on holding on to Deeslider. I figured he was bound to make a mistake sooner or later so I'd just bide my time until that happened :flirty:
I have numerous times been thinking like that, but it rarely works. Especially I think I've been following CrazyR1 and Seany hundreds of laps waiting for their mistake, but it has not happened so often. Perhaps I've not been close enough to capitalise on their small mistakes. Luck is often earned, not given, so I've decided not to wait for others mistakes, but rather to try to be very close my "opponent" and to make the luck happen. :) That's actually the skill (or mindset) I'm trying to learn at the moment.
My speed was relatively good already from the first short races with this combo. Often it takes me 30-50 laps to get in speed, but this time driving felt natural from the start. SO has always been my no. 1 favorite because there are not so many dead moments on the track. I think that smooth braking (and releasing the brakes) and overall smooth controls were especially important this time. I used 450 degrees this week with 0 compensation in LFS, so only I was hardly using more than 200 degrees at best (or worst). I wonder if some of you had problems with having to do too much steering through the tight turns in the first half of the track.
The race itself was not very special. During the first laps I wanted to see if I could create some gap between me and the others. After about five laps I checked the tires: still good. Then I tried to do a 1:22:xx lap and see what the tires say. Still good. If the temperature on the right front went higher I was just putting more focus on driving smooth. In the end I was getting a bit worried because the tires seemed to be getting cold, the right front inner part was already below 100c. I had to start pushing a bit harder for the last laps to keep it grippy.
Hopefully the next one will be a bit more interesting.
Nice race reports. I qualified 4th but I didn't hold on to that for too long, I lost a couple of places into t1. Romus is absolutely right about being smooth, which is the one thing I did not do at the start :doh:. I had a quick Slider behind me and instead of letting him past and accepting he had more speed, I tried to hold on to my position which inevitably destroyed my front right and he got by anyway, only now both of us where under attack from others whom we had made an initial good gap on. I lost another couple of places and then managed to make myself ignore others pace and try and get my temps back to normal.
About lap 18 or so I started to regain my pace, just in time too as there was a Jamin hot on my heels :). I was reeling in Vobler just before my half distance pitstop then gained a place on him in the pits due to him having more tyres than me replaced. Towards the end of the race I started to gain a little on Steve but the gap was too big to do anything with. I finished 5th which is only one spot down from where I qualied. Pretty pleased considering how disastrous the start was.
Well done Romus, impressive driving mate. :yahoo:
Well done to Romus and also Obsolum for getting on the podium :yahoo:
I qualified 2nd, and as Obsolum says, spend most of the race with him close behind, he got dangerously close a few times when I couldn't find any grip in some corners, or he did a good lap, but not quite enough to get past :D
I was running R3's on the front, and had the setting to change at 70% wear, they didn't get changed in my stop, good thing too as any wasted seconds would have put me behind Obsolum at the end.
Quote from: Romus;293675I used 450 degrees this week with 0 compensation in LFS, so only I was hardly using more than 200 degrees at best (or worst). I wonder if some of you had problems with having to do too much steering through the tight turns in the first half of the track.
:whistling2:
Quote from: Dee_Slider;293696I was running R3's on the front, and had the setting to change at 70% wear, they didn't get changed in my stop (...)
Ah, wow I don't think I could have done the whole race without a tyre change.
Quote from: Doorman;293697:whistling2:
That's what I was thinking, too :D But hey, if he's comfortable with it... :)
Quote from: obsolum;293700Ah, wow I don't think I could have done the whole race without a tyre change.
That's what I was thinking, too :D But hey, if he's comfortable with it... :)
I'm too stupid to understand what that might mean, so I'll skip it..
Quote from: Romus;293703I'm too stupid to understand what that might mean, so I'll skip it..
What me and Ron were getting is that you using 450Ã,° with 0 compensation means that you were using "unrealistic" settings and in that had an advantage over people who were using the appropriate settings (ie. 720Ã,°) :) So you, indeed, had to turn your wheel less going around corners, and especially in the chicane it can be a great advantage. I know I had to turn my wheel quite a bit going around the tight righthanded hairpin at the end of the downhill section. But like I said, everyone should use whatever settings they're comfortable with. I just always try to use settings that come closest to what you would use in real life; in LFS I use the settings the cars were designed for.
Quote from: obsolum;293704... you using 450Ã,° with 0 compensation means that you were using "unrealistic" settings and in that had an advantage over people who were using the appropriate settings (ie. 720Ã,°) ...
OK, I see. But I'm a bit surprised if that was the point. What about those people who have Logitech Momo for example. They have only 270 degrees. Are they also using unrealistic settings and getting advantage over others?
I'm not playing with settings on the computer nor on the LFS very much. For the last 4 weeks I've had same controller settings and have not really bothered thinking what should be used. It's just that I don't see any use of very high turn angles. If we would have a set of gentlemens rules, like realistic controller settings, then I would be happy to follow them, but I see a problem there, because we all do not have clutch pedals for example nor H-gate shifters.
You use what is good for you. It makes no difference as far as I can tell. Either way, you're fast or not fast however you choose to set things up. I was just surprised because I had you down for a 'realistic as you can be' with your cockpit and triple screens etc. that's all. :)
You are also right about Momos, clutches and Hshifters, but if you do buy a high end wheel, why not use it to it's full extent?
Let's not fall out over it though. I'm sure there are guys using G25s and w.h.y. and using 270Ã,° but not admitting it. :g:
If the maximum lock (car setup) is 20 degrees and the wheel turns 450 (controller setup) it would be approximately (if not exactly, I'm not sure) the same as if the maximum lock would be 24 and the wheel turn 540. I would max to maximum lock if I had to use 540 with that combo. But if 720 was required then perhaps a setup that is more oversteery would have been handy. But I'm not into that kind of realism.
A question: does someone of you really sometimes suffer from having too insensitive (way too much steering needed through the corner) steering and you still not adjust your controller to help with that?
Quote from: Doorman;293718I was just surprised because I had you down for a 'realistic as you can be' with your cockpit and triple screens etc.
OK.. But I'm just a simracer. I don't know much about cars or real world racing. I've never driven a race car and I don't follow any race series. I've not even watched any races of Räikkönen or Kovalainen, but I remember watching Häkkinen fighting against Schumacher. I rarely read any Formula 1 news. I've only a few times had my hands dirty working with a car and currently I don't even own a car, I sold my Octavia in april and don't really want to buy a car, unless absolutely necessary.
But I like simracing as a hobby and I try to have "serious" fun. By that I mean that I like to learn more and try to push my limits, though I cannot spend very much time with the hobby.
Quote from: Doorman;293718I'm sure there are guys using G25s and w.h.y. and using 270Ã,° but not admitting it. :g:
Oh for a certainty. I've seen people on the LFS forum say they have their G25 set to 240Ã,° of rotation,
no FFB at all, and the paddles as shifter in every car. Really makes you wonder why they spent the money on the G25 :g:
Quote from: Romus;293723A question: does someone of you really sometimes suffer from having too insensitive (way too much steering needed through the corner) steering and you still not adjust your controller to help with that?
I guess it depends on what you would call "too much steering". If a corner requires me to turn my wheel more than 180Ã,° using the "proper" controller settings, then that's just what's needed. I may change some options in the car's setup, like increasing the maximum lock of the car, but I'll never change my controller options. It has actually never entered my mind. Like I said, if a corner requires much steering, then it requires much steering. Changing your controller settings to something other than what "should" be used just so you have an easier time getting around corners... well, let's just say I wouldn't feel good about myself. I would feel like I was cheating and taking the easy way out. I'm not saying
you are cheating - besides, I'm sure you don't do it on purpose - I'm just saying that I would feel like
I was cheating :)
As a reference, the tight righthanded hairpin at the end of the downhill section in yesterday's combo required me to turn my wheel 180Ã,°, which means I had my arms crossed as I went through the turn. Sometimes I'd turn it just a little bit farther when I was carrying more speed through the turn, but I never had to move my hands on the wheel.
Quote from: obsolum;293726I guess it depends on what you would call "too much steering". If a corner requires me to turn my wheel more than 180Ã,° using the "proper" controller settings, then that's just what's needed. I may change some options in the car's setup, like increasing the maximum lock of the car, but I'll never change my controller options. It has actually never entered my mind. Like I said, if a corner requires much steering, then it requires much steering. Changing your controller settings to something other than what "should" be used just so you have an easier time getting around corners... well, let's just say I wouldn't feel good about myself.
Message understood. This has been a good discussion. I've just considered myself as a race engineer who has controller setup in my hands and I've done some adjustments there as well if needed. If you had about 180 steering angle in the hairpin then our controllers were set up quite similarly. Cu on track.
Quote from: Romus;293723A question: does someone of you really sometimes suffer from having too insensitive (way too much steering needed through the corner) steering and you still not adjust your controller to help with that?
I agree with everything Oliver has said. If the car has 720Ã,° steering then that's what I'll use. I get used to the car rather than change stuff to suit me.
P.S. Sorry for the thread hijack.
False alarm; threadjack not yet finished! :devil:
Quote from: obsolum;293726I may change some options in the car's setup, like increasing the maximum lock of the car, but I'll never change my controller options.
33 degrees lock on 720 degrees is exactly the same as 25 degrees lock on 540 degrees. If you want a discussion about realism you have to consider both these parameters. No offence, but otherwise it will just come across as "hardware elitism". :)
Quote from: Romus;293723A question: does someone of you really sometimes suffer from having too insensitive (way too much steering needed through the corner) steering and you still not adjust your controller to help with that?
I tried 720 with this combo and it was really not much different from 450. So I would conclude that with G25 at least the 720 will be ok. :blink: The ball is round.
Quote from: Romus;293746I tried 720 with this combo and it was really not much different from 450. So I would conclude that with G25 at least the 720 will be ok. :blink: The ball is round.
Then try the HistoriX Cortina at 900 degrees :norty:
Quote from: Gnomie;293732False alarm; threadjack not yet finished! :devil:
33 degrees lock on 720 degrees is exactly the same as 25 degrees lock on 540 degrees. If you want a discussion about realism you have to consider both these parameters. No offence, but otherwise it will just come across as "hardware elitism". :)
:D
I know I said that but it I have honestly never fiddled with the maximum lock in a car's setup in LFS. I think I'd have to look for it 'cause I can't tell off the top of my head where I would find it.
In the HistorX mod it's a different story; the maximum lock is usually the first thing I change because most default setups use a very low - and unrealistic - value. I always use 24Ã,° - 26Ã,° degrees there with 900Ã,° of rotation, which, I have been told, approximates what the real cars had.
But you definitely raise a good point :) I'll pay more attention to the steering lock in LFS.
Quote from: Gnomie;293732False alarm; threadjack not yet finished! :devil:
33 degrees lock on 720 degrees is exactly the same as 25 degrees lock on 540 degrees. If you want a discussion about realism you have to consider both these parameters. No offence, but otherwise it will just come across as "hardware elitism". :)
This begs the question; Are the setup parameters in LFS far too lenient? Does the fact that it has to cater for all manner of controllers leave it open to exploitation? :g:
It is no secret that LFS' setup options are far too lenient and can be - and are - exploited. If Scawen cancelled the whole Scirocco & Rockingham project and instead introduced limited - and realistic - setup options for all the cars in LFS, I would be a happy man. LFS really, really, really needs limited setup options. Desperately.
Quote from: Doorman;293750This begs the question; Are the setup parameters in LFS far too lenient? Does the fact that it has to cater for all manner of controllers leave it open to exploitation? :g:
Not only the controllers, other parts of the setup too. Especially the brakes, ridehight and diffs. We where discussing this online the other day, why would people need loadcell brake pedals when most people just adjust the brake strenght to never lock up.
But then again, no sim is without possibilities to do some setup exploiting. We have to live with it to some degree.
Hmmm, i had my wheel set at 280 degrees but I didnt even consider it might be seen as cheating. I even said online that i was using that setting and nobody said anything.:g:
I'll use that 'proper' settings from now on allthough, if you had that car in RL and you couldnt get it around the corner, surely you would fit a quicker steering rack?
I also see the point about not using the G25's full potential but then you could view it as having a bigger selection of spares for your car, i.e more steering racks in the back of the truck. The more money you spend on your wheel/pedals/shifter etc, the more spares/options you have to set up your car. Some race teams will always have a bigger budget than others, thats life unfortunatly.
While realism is good, the ultimate point is to try and win races and a good setup is part of that wether you build, buy or blagg it. If we dont make use of all the options that are there for all who choose, then maybe we should only allow Race S setups too. (handy this week)
In the spirit of dMr, i will use the cars full lock from now on and do i have to give my 4th place back:D
I don't think anyone here really considers it cheating, Steve. I said I would feel like I was cheating if I would do it :) Everyone should use what they feel comfortable with. It's about enjoying yourself. In an ideal world everyone would have the same means at their disposal as everyone else and everyone would be limited to realistic setup options, but unfortunately we live in a world that is far from ideal :)
Feel free to post your race report as well, by the way, as that is what this thread is about, believe it or not :D
Quote from: vobler;293670Sorry about that. I usually don't have outbursts in those situations. That was probably my second one in all my sim racing career.
It will not happen again.
No worries :D ve all throw a vobler now and again.
Quote from: Jamin;293935No worries :D ve all throw a vobler now and again.
oh my word :doh: