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Old Server Admin Section => dMw Matches and Training (Private) => Archived Feb 09 => Announcements & General Discussion - Training & Matches => Topic started by: SLoWHaND on September 20, 2003, 01:52:53 PM

Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: SLoWHaND on September 20, 2003, 01:52:53 PM
Lo fellas.............

We no longer play PCS..............

According to the servers we are now playing TCS.    ;)

Oh and I might have found a slight bug in the system.

Both -=[dMw]=- servers need to have the password typed manually when you first connect.

But if you are on Meathook and type in console connect 193.110.88.20:27016  it will connect you straight to Baldric without asking for the password also works the other way round too.

SLoWHaND
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: Dr Sadako on September 20, 2003, 01:58:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by SLoWHaND@Sep 20 2003, 02:52 PM
Lo fellas.............

We no longer play PCS..............

According to the servers we are now playing TCS.    ;)

Oh and I might have found a slight bug in the system.

Both -=[dMw]=- servers need to have the password typed manually when you first connect.

But if you are on Meathook and type in console connect 193.110.88.20:27016  it will connect you straight to Baldric without asking for the password also works the other way round too.

SLoWHaND
TCS, yes this is correct. I am curious why you haven't noticed it yet in the forum logo. ;)

TCS = Tactical Counter Strike. Soon enough all of you will get the full deal. The Admins are in the magic of making.  :D
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: SLoWHaND on September 20, 2003, 02:08:22 PM
Hmmm
I,m confused but then again it dont take much.

I aint got no trouble with tactical counter-strike.
But then why is it PCS in the forums
Ie.......... PCS - dMw stylee  PCS Announcements  PCS Rules PCS Map Discussion PCS Discussion.
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: Dr Sadako on September 20, 2003, 02:12:28 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by SLoWHaND@Sep 20 2003, 03:08 PM
Hmmm
I,m confused but then again it dont take much.

I aint got no trouble with tactical counter-strike.
But then why is it PCS in the forums
Ie.......... PCS - dMw stylee  PCS Announcements  PCS Rules PCS Map Discussion PCS Discussion.
:huh:  eh ... eh ... OB haven't changed them yet. It will be changed further down the road.  :rolleyes:
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: SLoWHaND on September 20, 2003, 02:21:02 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Sadako+Sep 20 2003, 02:12 PM-->
QUOTE (Sadako @ Sep 20 2003, 02:12 PM)
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: OldBloke on September 20, 2003, 04:53:29 PM
:rolleyes:  :lmfao:

We are in the process of making *major* changes to PCS, it's not just a name change and it's not just PCS that will be affected.

The reason the forum topics are still headed 'PCS' is because PCS rules and guidelines are still current and will be until the formal changeover to TCS.

Watch this space.
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2003, 05:33:05 PM
would have been nice if this had been discussed with the members!
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: sheepy on September 20, 2003, 05:35:52 PM
just think of it as trying to put a good spin on the SH"T that the new cs via steam is.
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2003, 05:38:25 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by sheepy@Sep 20 2003, 05:35 PM
just think of it as trying to put a good spin on the SH"T that the new cs via steam is.
Has your Mum been at your keyboard again? I could read your last post  ;)
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: TeaLeaf on September 20, 2003, 07:03:53 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Sep 20 2003, 05:33 PM
would have been nice if this had been discussed with the members!
I can just imagine the first report of the consumer research group committee to the ideas sub-committee being submitted to the council's executive committee for placement on the agenda and discussion at the quarterly review board with the seconded representative from the members' union.  Yep, I think that would work.......   :blink:

TL.
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: smilodon on September 20, 2003, 07:27:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf+Sep 20 2003, 07:03 PM-->
QUOTE (TeaLeaf @ Sep 20 2003, 07:03 PM)
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: Dr Sadako on September 21, 2003, 09:28:12 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon+Sep 20 2003, 08:27 PM-->
QUOTE (smilodon @ Sep 20 2003, 08:27 PM)
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Sep 20 2003, 07:03 PM
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: Anonymous on September 21, 2003, 10:00:04 AM
How about this:

=======================================

Guys, the admins are looking at the way we currently present PCS to the wider community. We are looking at several aleternatives to a) make it more attractive to people and B) more accurately describe what we do.

We are not sure yet what shape or form this might take but once we have some solid plans together we will post some more information here.

=======================================

There, that didn't hurt did it? It is called courtesy by the way  :rant:
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: Dr Sadako on September 21, 2003, 10:07:27 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Sep 21 2003, 11:00 AM
How about this:

=======================================

Guys, the admins are looking at the way we currently present PCS to the wider community. We are looking at several aleternatives to a) make it more attractive to people and B) more accurately describe what we do.

We are not sure yet what shape or form this might take but once we have some solid plans together we will post some more information here.

=======================================

There, that didn't hurt did it? It is called courtesy by the way  :rant:
:huh:

I think OB did just a few posts up.
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: smilodon on September 21, 2003, 10:30:41 AM
I think Blueballs point was that it required a prompt from him in order to get it.

[/me ducks back down again]
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: SLoWHaND on September 21, 2003, 10:51:09 AM
Hmm
I didnt really mean to start a flame war here.

I actually thought it was a typo on the server Login screen.

The title of the forum as been there some weeks apparently but It didnt register as a significant change to me.

I dont really care what we call it as long as it reflects the way we play and that we continue to play that way.



SLoWHanD
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: TeaLeaf on September 21, 2003, 12:14:11 PM
I am not sure it needed a prompt at all, as all MHPCS members will be told as and when the changes are made.  As yet no changes have been made, hence there has been no need for any comment.  However, when we migrated the forums to Invision it made sense to set it up the text as TCS rather than PCS - this saved us future work.  Likewise, when we went through the mostrosity of the server upgrade formerly known as 'steam' we decided to update the server files to reflect a TCS name.  Had the timing of 1.6 and the need for a forums upgrade not conspired against us we would not have made these textual changes, nobody would have noticed and all would have been well with the world.

So now you know some changes are coming, but nobody need be afraid or concerned.  The Admins put in a lot of work behind the scenes to keep the Meat Hook, Baldric and the Forums on track.  Please have faith in them for just a little while longer.  Thank you.

TL.
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: smilodon on September 21, 2003, 12:48:28 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by SLoWHaND@Sep 21 2003, 10:51 AM
Hmm
I didnt really mean to start a flame war here.

I actually thought it was a typo on the server Login screen.

The title of the forum as been there some weeks apparently but It didnt register as a significant change to me.

I dont really care what we call it as long as it reflects the way we play and that we continue to play that way.



SLoWHanD
:thumbsup:
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: Anonymous on September 21, 2003, 12:49:23 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Sep 21 2003, 12:14 PM
I am not sure it needed a prompt at all, as all MHPCS members will be told as and when the changes are made.
First off I don't want a flame war OK? Right with that in mind let's go...

"all members will be told as when changes are made". We've already started to see changes and it took prompts from the members to find out what is going on. Is it going to be "no discussion, just tell them that things have changed"?

I'm sorry that I misunderstood. I thought things were a bit more open than that in dMw :(  

If there are changes planned (and OBs post hinted that there were marked changes planned) then I feel very strongly that, at a minimum, the dMw clan members should have been informed.  As I said in an earlier post, I do not think it is unreasonable for people to be informed - maybe we will love what "the admins" are planning and maybe we will hate it and maybe some of the dMw peeps might have some cracking ideas that haven't been considered. Please just do us the courtesy of letting us know.

PS I don't have any cracking ideas so don't get your hopes up :)
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: TeaLeaf on September 21, 2003, 01:23:02 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Sep 21 2003, 12:49 PM
First off I don't want a flame war OK? Right with that in mind let's go...

"all members will be told as when changes are made". We've already started to see changes and it took prompts from the members to find out what is going on. Is it going to be "no discussion, just tell them that things have changed"?

I'm sorry that I misunderstood. I thought things were a bit more open than that in dMw :( 

If there are changes planned (and OBs post hinted that there were marked changes planned) then I feel very strongly that, at a minimum, the dMw clan members should have been informed.  As I said in an earlier post, I do not think it is unreasonable for people to be informed - maybe we will love what "the admins" are planning and maybe we will hate it and maybe some of the dMw peeps might have some cracking ideas that haven't been considered. Please just do us the courtesy of letting us know.

PS I don't have any cracking ideas so don't get your hopes up :)
No flame war assumed, so no offence taken - I was just trying to answer the questions and explain why things hadn't gone entirely to plan.  As I said, info would normally be available if it were not for the timing of certain things, some of which were beyond our control.   We intend to follow through with the info in due course.  Our original intention was that you would have been in an informed position, without having to prompt - it just didn't work out that way - we're sorry.

I would hope that you still see dMw as an open clan, I believe that we are one of the most open you will ever come across, but group decision-making dynamics very often leads to 'half an answer' in an attempt to satisfy 'all of the people all of the time'.  Hence most organisations are run by a core group with shortened reporting chains.  There is a fine line to tread between autocracy and democracy - we hope we get it right most of the time!

For the moment, please be patient with us, we're human and we guarantee that we will make mistakes, but we try our best to get it right and don't intend to offend anyone.  

TL.
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: Anonymous on September 21, 2003, 01:24:34 PM
//me puts on patient hat and sits happily in the corner sucking my thumb satisfied that we are all singing from the same sheet :)
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: TeaLeaf on September 21, 2003, 01:30:23 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Sep 21 2003, 01:24 PM
//me puts on patient hat and sits happily in the corner sucking my thumb satisfied that we are all singing from the same sheet :)
Oi - give me my hat back :rotfl:

TL.
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: sheepy on September 21, 2003, 06:24:11 PM
:unsure: and why ru sucking my thumb??????
Title: No More Pcs ????
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on September 21, 2003, 06:27:15 PM
Coz steam won't connect again!!

And I've worn my thumb out waiting for it to do so!
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