Today I spent a bit of time trying to provide an example and some motivation for CLs to get on with being CLs instead of just enjoying the rank & title. Maybe it is just me, but I got seriously ****ed off with Jim's responses.
Firstly he just voted and said nothing which was clearly not what I was aiming at. I can forgive this as I did not explicitly say 'state your reasons', but I had hoped for better.
Then having read the my prompt post about detail required he then casts aspersions about all healers and lets the raid know he watches TV whilst raiding and gets bored during boss fights and tunes into the TV show instead of the boss fight!
Sorry, but someone that stupidly insensitive is not CL material.
Ban me, kick me, do whatever, but his sheer ignorance and cba attitude amazes me.
Maybe I am just being too old, too grumpy and need a break from younger people.
Well, yep, as coming from a rather youthful generation I play the overplayed "he's young" card again.
Though I can't really defend him watching TV (which is abit absurd to say the least), he is entitled to his opinion on the matter of the scorpid sting. No offense intended here but if you didn't want backtalk then what's the point in setting up a discussion ;-)
He did not really clarify why it should not be up though. The cba attitude is a flaw of being young (not just relating to WoW but in total). He's a great player and has amazing reaction time. For example I'm pretty sure the TV would not distract him from his game, although that still doesn't make it a good thing in principle.
Just he is young and I think that prevents him from seeing the bigger picture at times, like the use of these discussions. I for one think they're a great idea since it makes people think about stuff.
I have no problem with debate, unfortunately despite knowing full-well from the CL section that I was trying to promote a discussion and greater activity from the CLs he to pile in with the sum-total of his youthful knowledge and just vote 'No'.
When challenged to justify the monosyllabic 'No' answer he decided to ask me to count the number of bosses after Kologarn (which he failed to manage successfully himself) and then justified his reply further by explaining that it helped him to not watch TV and to focus on the raid if the MT was not properly buffed. Perhaps DMR should use his infinite wisdom to not buff the MT at all as following his fantastic logic and naked unbuffed tank might really help the raid performance and keep the healers awake! How bloody rude can he be?
I note the 'he's young' card being raised again. Again. However he has played that joker more times than I care to remember. The number of members he has upset and ****ed off and we promote him. I've personally had to pull him to one side and explain things to him as have other people in DMR. The number of people who just put him on ignore form time to time when he gets too much. The 'young' card has been played too often and once again he is suntering off into the sunset with no consequences cluttering future and and no thoughts cluttering his brain.
Perhaps we should send him back to kindergarten to grow up some more and then we would not have to wave the 'young' card any more.
I know I am using this forum topic as a place to let off steam. But honestly, the guy is momumentally stupid to have made such comments (again) and fails so many dMw standards it is untrue.
Right or wrong I have got used to him :doh:
As long as he is not spoiling other peoples enjoyment
The funny thing is that he is now going to coach Lunares on healing when he has still not bothered to learn how to play his own spec as a healer. That's kind of amusing in a /facepalm sort of way.
I have to disagree about that. Purely looking at his performance in raid he is a very good healer and he's one of few I trust my tanky buttocks to when it comes to keeping them polished *cough* Well.. you know what I mean. Despite one glyph being off he's one of our top healers, from what I've seen so far that is.
That said there is alot of ehh.. call it social... flaws to him, but every time we try to fix them it seems to work only temporarily.
Although I have to side with Jas here, I've gotten used to it, and so have alot of other people I think. Haven't had any issues about him popping up in a loooong time now.
It's not just his glyph. 30 seconds of googling would teach you to regem. Anyway, allow me to lambast him without him being defended, it makes me happy and allows the steam to blow away.
Oh I'd be the last to stand in the way of some steamblowing. I've been there many a times ^.^
have to agree with TL on this one..if not fully..We have to keep in mind we are not a hardcore raiding guild. But Jim saying hes bored at certain boss fight and goes watching TV is unexceptable to me...especially as hes a CL and even more so saying it in public...giving others a reason to do it aswell..or even the idea of doing it.
The fact we are 'used' to his childish behaviour is even wors imo cos it rly means he hasnt changed but we have. I agree with the fact he a very good player (one of the best healers im not sure of but it could be cos of his spec, but i dont see him at the top of the healers list that often...never seen him there tbh, but as stated could be cos of his build), he knows his spells and job during the fights..so its mainly his attitude wich seems to be the prob, cos i honeslty cant believe his watching TV whyle we are in a Boss fight...
So wheres he gone this time ... ? Has he taken the priest to another relm ?
ye that is what I've heard, he said it in gchat while I was tanking in FoS so didn't see exactly what he typed but from what I've heard from gandalf he transfered his priest to another realm to play with some IRL friends
....which if I may be allowed to translate probably means:
"I applied to another realm's raiding guild having already been turned down on Aszune, but do not want to suffer the ignominy of having people on this realm know if I fail trial"
He's done a cross realm transfer to be with some RL friends is what he told me.
Basically, that's it for Jim. His alts are still in the guild and as a social member that is fine. But his raiding days are over. We are actively recruiting again and are getting some fresh blood in to fill out the spaces.
Hes back ... I popped him as friendly for the mo. See if he can earn his raid spot back
I sit here drinking my tea and find this all very amusing.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;300170I sit here drinking my tea and find this all very amusing.
Have to agree a bit with you TL, seems like jim never can't decide were to go and eventhough he is young, he is still 17 and by that age you should start taking some responsibility
Im finding it funny .. I would have said no tho he still has a toon with us and we just know when we are short, we will use him... current lack of healers and all that
Quote from: JonnyAppleSeed;300162See if he can earn his raid spot back
Just re-read Jim's post. He seems to think he is already back raiding.
Yeh dont know where he has got that from ... tho he will not get invites as he has a social rank ... if a spot is begging he can come tho prio will be the sign ups
Silly question, but what happened to his DKP? Does it get zero'd as he left the guild and is no longer a raider?
Good question ... Im leaning towards a reset as he is now social
I've not really thought about that but yeah, a reset would be best. That'll hopefully discourage any other people from doing the same.
Aye, we had a reset policy for people too. It encourages loyalty and people have one more thing to think about before doing a frustrated gquit.
ok, reset. I've also done Balmius as he stepped down as a raider. I'll sneak this clause into the guild info...
So Jim's gunna raid or not ? I dont want him as a healer and he dont want to heal. I think Mal would like him as shadow ... Anyway what ever we decide Lumi has stepped in after he left and took the disc healer spot. Lets not mess him around :D
Agreed jas, lets not mess him around we all know he came back to raid so he either is or isnt.
I spoke to him when he first came back and explained that Luna had regemmed/respecced and learnt a new playstyle to cover the gap Jim left, and so he was okay with all that and said that he wanted to go shadow (it had been mentioned b4 he left as well)
To be honest Jim is Jim we all are aware of that, the instances of him ****ing ppl off have been alot better recently and i think lets not look at last chance etc he is a good raider and while that is true i would like him in.
His Shadow priest abilities are excellent and his gear is more than upto the job.
So ranged dps? for me yes (better the devil you know! )
you want competition for spots ? , well his gear/dps is a benchmark like HIM or not.
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Looking at the dps (http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/10915933#damageout) Jim can do and the fact that he really does want to go shadow, I'd say we let him and we recruit a few more healers in.
I'm happy swapping to Sky if needed and we have enough tanks, but some dedicated healers that are online all the time would be perfect.
It's your shout as to what you do with him, but imo he needs a very firm hand on him. He is already acting like he owns the place again as far as I could tell from last night. One thing I would like to see stop (whether I am in the DMR raid or the same zone in another raid) is his constant spam in Zone channel during raids, he seems to think it is his own private chat channel and it irritates the heck out of a number of people both in DMR and elsewhere.
As for dps, given his gear level it is not that good, so I'm afraid it's more an endictment of the fact that the rest of the dps needs to pick it up some and be more competitive. Ugro made a comment in Eluo guild chat when you killed the 1st boss last night that the dps was very poor, I think it took 7 whirlwinds before the boss kill? This is something CLs *really* need to work on as it kills the raid to not be able to keep up with trash spawns or enrage timers. More dps has to be pumped out, period.
He got my back up last night with constant spam ... And it turns dmr's name to crap too ... I have realy had it with him ... the problem is im gunna realy upset him very soon and one or the other of us will be walking thats how much hes winding me up at the mo with various snipes and comments
Well that settles it then. No more raiding for Jim. Even if we have to call a raid due to no healers.
I think i was a bit grumpy this morning ... Anyways now I have found my dummy so somthing more constuctive
I have tried and tried again with him to bring him in and work with him. We have said he could be great tho he just cant help winding people up, Its not just me I get regular wispers from members regarding his attitude. Soc Lola Ame Semi Tirk to name a few
Gandy your comment sums up the problem im having
"no more raiding for Jim. Even if we have to call a raid due to no healers."
I feel hes holding us to randsom knowing that he will get a spot or we dont raid.
So if anyone wants to take him on ya welcome to him ill just keep clear .. As all he is doing in the healer camp is driving a wedge into what are a nice bunch of people.
Spoke with Jim a bit last night, and he's pm'ed me. Copied here for comment.
QuoteWas thinking about what you said with the officers being unhappy ââ,¬â€œ what Iââ,¬â,,¢d like to do is let you all know that me leaving was a REALLY bad decision and i came back hoping people could forgive me and realise that I know I shouldnââ,¬â,,¢t have moved on... DMR is like a home ingame for me, i love everyone and its a great guild, and until i quit the game / guild disbands i'm not gonna be leaving it again...
I don't know if you wanna post what i've said above to see if it will change their minds, but from the sounds of things it seems they're unwilling to give me another chance, everyone makes mistakes and Iââ,¬â,,¢d like the opportunity to prove I am a raider worth investing in.
I still maintain my original position on this and as last night proved, we do need ranged DPS/healer hybrids and until anyone can get close to him as shadow priest/whatever spec he will remain my number one pick.
He has been different since hes been back, and i havent had a problem with him, and again last night we had a load of ppl chatting in general channel which was cured when Hal said STOP ! so not just Jim on that point (although i know hes the biggest offender).
Jim is a good raider, anyone remember the last time he wasnt potted up/food buffed and had all his buffs out to the raid and ready to pull !
My argument is that if you dont wanna hear him/hate his voice then mute him :norty:. If we see him giving it large in general we say STOP !
If you dont wanna talk to him in guild/party/raid chat then dont, thats all cool and the gang but i do wanna see him in our raids again melting/healing stuff.
I would like to get the others opinions on this soon as please guys.
Because if you dont want him round then i will let him know.
ok, personally I've never had a problem with Jim but as you all know, I'm a pretty easy going guy.
However, I do not want one member to drive a wedge in between us as we have a fantastic officer team and the guild is not worth one members feelings.
The only wedge that can get between officers is a cheese one and is eaten before damage can be done :D
.. Maybe im just being old and gitish. Ill go with the flow on what you guys want...
Just dont mess with lumi ...
I still think he is tanking the **** and this is all related to him wanting to dps. Anyways said my bit