As we have a lan coming up at the end of the month i want to have a face to face meeting with all bc2 admin's who attend.
This meeting is going to be held at around 5pm saturday once we are all settled in and will cover a range of topics that you want to bring up and discuss as well as my delivery to how we want to proceed.
Present attendees who are attending the lan are:
- GhostMjr
- Ninja_Freak
- Big Paddy
- Magnus (as advisor for admin tools)
- Dewey
- Tutonic
- Lionheat
Good idea Ghosty.
It looks like you have some new admins. Can you please give me a full list (any in addition to the above?) so I can update here (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=285546&postcount=1) please. I know about T-Bag and Valdeko obviously.
If you get a minute, can you please also update your admin list here (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=30527).
Ta muchly.
Seems im gona miss on a fun meeting sadly :sad:
Are you going to publish an agenda for this meeting? It would be nice to give people are not coming to the LAN an opportunity to make some comments.
Things that spring to mind are such as
1. The lack of dedicated servers. Apparently this is never going to be available. Is this true and does that not mean that this game is fubared for us?
2. Punkbuster and the problems it's causing with not letting people on to the server. What can be done, if anything, to ameliorate this?
3. New members to the Community. We've had several repeat people coming on to the server but they're ignored. Why is no one picking these people up and pointing them towards the forum. We need them. Why does no one welcome players as they come onto the server. Wickie, for example, is a name I recognise from my infrequent playing. I gave him a wb yesterday but no-one else did. No one points them to our forum.
4. TS vs in-game comms. Without the ability to talk to your team as a whole or the server as a whole it's pretty ineffective. Even if it an an admin only ability it would make sense.
5. The rubric in the GameTracker (http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/85.236.102.67:22067/) post needs to be changed to be more succinct and punchy and ideally no longer than the opening section. (This was requested weeks ago but hasn't been changed).
6. The logo and text needs to be finalised and implemented.
These are not criticisms but concerns about the fabric of the game. We need to list the problems and address them where where we can.
Does these limitations make the ultimate adoption of this game infeasible?
PS> Would it not also be worthwhile posting in the BC2 forum the fact you're having a meetings and also asking for any comments / requests from members which they'd like discussed?
PP> Someone from Council (tbc who) would like to sit in on the meeting.
Quote from: valdeko;307394Seems im gona miss on a fun meeting sadly :sad:
There's still time - get yourself to Stansted airport and I'll give you a lift :)
Are you going to publish an agenda for this meeting? It would be nice to give people are not coming to the LAN an opportunity to make some comments.
Yes, the full agenda will be published afterwards aswell as before. However some content may be for admin's eyes only as this is an "admin only meeting" and so it may be watered down or edited.
Things that spring to mind are such as
1. The lack of dedicated servers. Apparently this is never going to be available. Is this true and does that not mean that this game is fubared for us?
For lan's yes, for multiplayer as a whole no. This is the way it looks like games are going. We as a community have to evolve to having servers hosted by someone else. Valve may follow suit and if the new cs does come out we may not be able to have our own server. Therefore this game is pivotal for us as a community to be able to see what is and what is not possible with a fixed an hosted server now as we need to work out what can and cannot be done.
2. Punkbuster and the problems it's causing with not letting people on to the server. What can be done, if anything, to ameliorate this?
I am going to discuss a few possibles. They have just changed how passwords work you have to understand that the game is constantly changing with each update as the game is still evolving and being fixed and tweaked its still new and not yet finalised in anyway.
3. New members to the Community. We've had several repeat people coming on to the server but they're ignored. Why is no one picking these people up and pointing them towards the forum. We need them. Why does no one welcome players as they come onto the server. Wickie, for example, is a name I recognise from my infrequent playing. I gave him a wb yesterday but no-one else did. No one points them to our forum.
This will be addressed immediately, we have messages that are sent out when players join but admins and community members will be instructed to say hello to regular joiners. I have pointed people to the forum and several have joined since the server went live.
4. TS vs in-game comms. Without the ability to talk to your team as a whole or the server as a whole it's pretty ineffective. Even if it an an admin only ability it would make sense.
Addressing this week.
5. The rubric in the GameTracker (http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/85.236.102.67:22067/) post needs to be changed to be more succinct and punchy and ideally no longer than the opening section. (This was requested weeks ago but hasn't been changed).
Will be shortened and edited.
6. The logo and text needs to be finalised and implemented.
These are not criticisms but concerns about the fabric of the game. We need to list the problems and address them where where we can.
Done see bc2 banner vote thread
Does these limitations make the ultimate adoption of this game infeasible?
PS> Would it not also be worthwhile posting in the BC2 forum the fact you're having a meetings and also asking for any comments / requests from members which they'd like discussed?
This will be done sooner towards the lan on finalising the agenda
PP> Someone from Council (tbc who) would like to sit in on the meeting.
Happy to welcome any members of the admin team to come and sit in and throw ideas and criticisms around
Thanks and well done :) Ghosty.
The agenda is currently being formulated, finalised and edited. I will be posting it by sunday evening.
After a brief admin review the agenda will be made public in time for the lan.
BC2 Admin Meeting to be held at Friday 5pm 30th April 2010 or Saturday 5pm 1st May 2010 (depending on attendance on Friday)
Location: Preferably a private room where we can discuss topics. Hotel room?
NOTE:- ANYTHING IN RED WILL BE REMOVED WHEN TOPIC IS PLACED IN PUBLIC BC2 section. Attendees:
- GhostMjr (Chair of meeting)
- Ninja_Freak
- Big Paddy
- Magnus (as advisor for admin tools)
- Dewey
- Tutonic
- Lionheat
- Community Admin tbc
If the hotels internet is working i will try and get teamspeak working and broadcasting the meeting via teamspeak. I will therefore formally request that a new channel is made within the bc2 section in teamspeak and passworded for Bc2 admins with the password "bc2admins". Any bc2 admin not attending is urged to please attend if possible.Agenda:- Formal welcome by GhostMjr to Admin team and introductions around the table if necessary.
- Welcome to recent admins Tutonic, Lionheart and Dewey.
- Training: Do new admins and current admins need training with admin tools and do they have full access to clanforge, bc2cc and guardian anything missing?
- Guardian introduction, usefulness and implementation
- Passworded night- good thing? should we keep it if not why not and should we run it passworded and unranked.
- Fanbase inhouse-Have we done all that we can to grab a fanbase for bc2 in dmw what haven't we done that we could do.
- Fanbase out of house- Have we done all that we can to grab a fanbase for bc2 in dmw what haven't we done that we could do. Very Slow recruitment- some 3-10 hits of regulars coming back
- Map discussion and boundaries-
- Admin Conduct and Rules
- Server Rules
- Negativity within community regarding bc2- how can we move forward and should we start removing posts as when new users see constant moans is this a good thing?
- Recruitment
- Longevity of Bc2- account opened 3/3/10 renewal due 3/6/10
- Teamspeak vs ingame comms
- Allocation of work to admins and defining admin roles within section
- Any other Business AOB
- Close of Meeting
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Quote from: GhostMjr;308918should we start removing posts as when new users see constant moans is this a good thing?
Unless the posts do not meet the forum guidelines (abusive, spam...) this is not an option. We can't go removing posts from the forum just because we don't like what is being said.
Quote from: Whitey;308946Unless the posts do not meet the forum guidelines (abusive, spam...) this is not an option. We can't go removing posts from the forum just because we don't like what is being said.
Fine fine, have it your way Whitey.
I'll just have to edit their posts so they
are abusive/spammy,
then delete them :devil:
(jk)
How are the minutes coming along Ghosty?
IMHO - a lesson I've learned from many years of taking minutes from client meetings is that it's best to do them when they're fresh. It's been a good couple of weeks now and nothing has happened. That, in turn, I guess means nothing has been implemented yet from that meeting so the whole thing has come to a grinding halt?
Cheers
Hi Pen,
Unfortunately most of my team are still struggling to gain access to this forum.
I will give them all a nudge and hopefully its working now.
As of last night they were still being prompted for a password.
I am going to get the minutes up as soon as i can but haven't been able to post them as this section has been down since the lan due to the permission changes.
Currently this forum requires a password.
The password is the same as when the bc2 admin section was in the bc2 section.
Please can this either be changed or removed to only allow only the people with the bc2 badge to be allowed access
That's not the case - or shouldn't be. Permissions have been sorted for a couple of days now.
With regards to the password, as I understand it this forum is only accessible by your admins (and Community Admins) so the password is irrelevant now. Smilo will confirm if otherwise.
Let's leave it on there as it is for now and then change it if we need to in due course. Otherwise we run the risk of misplacing the rest of your admin team :)
Quote from: GhostMjr;310192Hi Pen,
Unfortunately most of my team are still struggling to gain access to this forum.
I will give them all a nudge and hopefully its working now.
As of last night they were still being prompted for a password.
I am going to get the minutes up as soon as i can but haven't been able to post them as this section has been down since the lan due to the permission changes.
This section is visible to BC2 Admins *and* requires a password, a sort of double security. Without the BC2 Admin flag then having the password does you no good and vice versa. The forum should have been visible to BC2 Admins for days now since Smilo sorted it.
Perhaps nudging them to post something might reassure you that the team can see it - certainly some have posted already so it seems to be working fine.
I will pm the team.
Does the password need to be changed?
Quote from: TeaLeaf;310235This section is visible to BC2 Admins *and* requires a password, a sort of double security. Without the BC2 Admin flag then having the password does you no good and vice versa. The forum should have been visible to BC2 Admins for days now since Smilo sorted it.
No.....
Have i missed anything?
Cheers,
- Formal welcome by GhostMjr to Admin team and introductions around the table if necessary.
- Welcome to recent admins Tutonic, Lionheart and Dewey.
- Training: Do new admins and current admins need training with admin tools and do they have full access to clanforge, bc2cc and guardian anything missing?
- Admins agreed that they were happy with the what tools we used and had access to everything.
- Often need dual screens to use them.
- No ingame tools just yet but guardian is promising some soon.
- Not perfect due to constant changes community leaders acknowledged that we need to use one tool and one tool only.
- Community leaders acknowledged problems with the new game and that most games could be like this in future and the game may be given a longer trial
- Guardian introduction, usefulness and implementation
- Paddy, Magnus and Dewey discussed the suitablity of guardian for several uses. GM to discuss with Valdeko (Acid) to liaise with Whitey and store the tool on a dmw box to send data to the server 24/7 as currently the client is only being hosted on personal pc's.
- Valdeko to be in charge of sending tools to whitey. whitey to advise whether tool can or cannot be hosted on the server.
- Passworded night- good thing? should we keep it if not why not and should we run it passworded and unranked.
- Mixed views we decided to keep the passworded night and after an initial relaunch planned for after the bedding down of cs a couple of weeks tweaking would follow to get the server up to scratch.
- Fanbase inhouse-Have we done all that we can to grab a fanbase for bc2 in dmw what haven't we done that we could do.
- Gradually getting new players on board growth has now stabilised with alot of the community trying the game offline and then thinking about going online
- Players playing individually and not joining TS.
- TS profile to be raised in game as part of server messages once liasied with whitey and tool hosting sorted.
- Fanbase out of house- Have we done all that we can to grab a fanbase for bc2 in dmw what haven't we done that we could do. Very Slow recruitment- some 3-10 hits of regulars coming back
- Increase of server messages and new server banner introduced to get more players in.
- tweaking of server to remove hardcore, ff and other filters so we get the maximum player base when players click play now.
- Box beneath banner to be reorganised GM to speak to multiplay
- Map discussion and boundaries-
- Decided map boundaries are already in place on the rush mode conquest alot more difficult to monitor.
- GM thanked admins for map boundary information which helped to create a picture of what the maps play like and how we should be playing them
- Admin Conduct and Rules- These were
- Accepted by all
- Admin chatter to now remain in admin TS channel only.
- KISS- keep it simple and stupid
- a spilt rule idea of having the detailed breakdown of rules and 4-5 short rules as a prompt card.
- Admin tag idea suggested but this was decided against as all dmw members have the responsibility to keep the server cheat free.
- Raising profile of chat messages unable to use server config to do such a thing as discussed with multiplay so will need to sort of a suitable set of messages for guardian to send.
- Idea to have ask dmw members for clan details and reporting cheaters
- Negativity within community regarding bc2- how can we move forward and should we start removing posts as when new users see constant moans is this a good thing?
- Agreed it isn't the best idea to have posts of this nature but decided against removal due to potential flaming and freedom of speech.
- Admin messages and all dmw members to actively recruit new members and acknowledge new joiners and regulars alike.
- Gametracker initial message to be changed with an initial prompt of the community and a 2nd more lenghty post for those requiring further information
- Longevity of Bc2- account opened 3/3/10 renewal due 3/6/10
- Teamspeak vs ingame comms
- Teamspeak still the better option currently new updates due imminently. Admins to use new admin channel for admin matters and players to join channels A and B.
- Paddy/ Magnus criticised this and said that community nights we should be all in one channel
- Tut acknowledged this and suggested more than one night in this format or one night "community night" to be tactical rest of the nights to be relaxing.
- Allocation of work to admins and defining admin roles within section
- Tbag/Valdeko to monitor and change password for pword nights.
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- Magnus/Paddy researching of new clients
Quote from: GhostMjr;310408Have i missed anything?
- Welcome to recent admins Tutonic, Lionheart and Dewey.
Have missed giving anyone an admin badge GM? As far as I can tell only big-paddy, valdeko, [BIG]magnus, T-Bag and you can see this forum (other admins aside). You need to let Penfols know who should have the badge so that they can actually formally access this forum section. Tutonic & Lionheart got away with it via other forum permissions, but Dewey hasn't posted here yet because he cannot see it!