We made some progress last night in ICC 10. WE have one-shotted Festergut. After 4-5 wipes on HM Blood princes (obviously because hunter was asked NOT to tank Keleseth:narnar:) we decided to do them on normal and kill Lana'thel on hard mode. That happened on the the very first try, too.
We also killed Rotface HM for second time last night.
This means we leapt 7 spots on rankings from 35th to 28th. We are aiming for Blood Princes and Valithria next week.
See some videos (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?30840-Raiding-Videos&p=313394&viewfull=1#post313394) from last night.
Those two kills on Princes and VD should jump us upto 23rd on 10 man, however aiming to get Sindragosa done as well for a nice 10/12 hardmodes.
Ranked spot aim next week is 21st. Dont forget to bring your towel.
Thanks
Stargazer Aldaren
Oooh, Sindragosa Hc - time to whip out the Frost Res gear :D
Quote from: Leemo;313494Oooh, Sindragosa Hc - time to whip out the Frost Res gear :D
Best tanks for Sindy are hunter pets. You dont need to swap tanks in P3, you dont need to take care of Frost Breath because the damage is almost non-existent. The only issue is with threat so 3 hunters with MD are needed...
Look at this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8IR0b3DJ5w)
That's hilarious - 4 healers though, that's excessive no?
Yes, 4 healers are far too much if you take into account decreased tank damage.
However, this is not hilarious, I am seriously eager to try this out. I also read this (http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/06/tanking-sindragosa/) article and 2 hunters should be enough. I will craft and buy 4 more armor pieces, put there proper stamina gems and enchants and I will have close to 55K HP with ICC buff.Like this my pet should have almost 50K HP, being uncrittable, and only caring about melee and cleave damage. Pet will have over 20K armor, mitigating almost 60% of physical damage.
6.5 DPS, 1 tanking pet, 3 healers. Isnt it tempting?
Also, hunter pets have better resistances than any tank and they have talents to increase incoming healing by 54%. Do you know any other class with such abilities? :)
This (http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=125111) would be my stats, DPS, health, etc...
Lol u actually want to have a hunter pet to tank Sind ? sry but that is just plain stupid. More easy is to get 2 tanks with Frost ress gear and do it ;) then u dont need that stupid 3 hunters with MD etc.
Quote from: Bamsebror;313516Lol u actually want to have a hunter pet to tank Sind ? sry but that is just plain stupid. More easy is to get 2 tanks with Frost ress gear and do it ;) then u dont need that stupid 3 hunters with MD etc.
Jims 5 Easy Steps :P
1) Grab DFE and his wonderous pet
2) Grab Zeol
3) Go to ICC 10 sindragosa Hard mode
4) ?????????????????????????????
5) Profit :)
also, im up for trying it - seen a pet tank Hodir
Afraid of something a lil different, Bamse?
Quote from: DFE;3135116.5 DPS, 1 tanking pet, 3 healers. Isnt it tempting?
Welllll, as there's no room for a prot pally amongst that, I vote NO :D
But yeah, Bamse, if it's been demonstrated as a viable, if unconventional tactic, you can't really brand it as "stupid"
PS - Dfe, you are officially a hunter freak.
Quote from: Bamsebror;313516More easy is to get 2 tanks with Frost ress gear
Because FrR gear mitigates 95% of frost damage and conventional tanks increase incoming healing by 54%?
Quote from: Bamsebror;313516then u dont need that stupid 3 hunters
True, smart two hunters are better.
Screenshot or it didnt happen:
Hard mode here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8IR0b3DJ5w) and normal mode here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXYl4kwVdJc). Write-up here (http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/06/tanking-sindragosa/)
Thanks for arguments,
DFE :)
Reason that i said it is becuase ive killed Sind hc on my shammy and druid(i was the tank) without any hunters soo just wanted to let u know its alot more easy since the tanks should have the FR gear already ;) and instead of struggling to get 3 good hunters online and maby waste some time on it :)
Quote from: Bamsebror;313540Reason that i said it is becuase ive killed Sind hc on my shammy and druid(i was the tank) without any hunters soo just wanted to let u know its alot more easy since the tanks should have the FR gear already ;) and instead of struggling to get 3 good hunters online and maby waste some time on it :)
I guess you missed the point :) I am not saying it is not possible to do it "normal way" on HM. The point in pet tanking Sindy (HC or not) is ridiculously low damage, no need for tank swapping and higher RDPS in P3 when it really matters. Speaking about Hard Mode, during P1 pet takes 2K from Frost breath. During P3 it takes from 6K damage with 12 stacks of Mystic buffet up to 22K with 31 stacks (!!!) of Mystic buffet -see log (http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/zllxrx2yhd0mzykw/xe/?s=1848&e=2359&x=(spell+%3D+%22Frost+Breath%22+and+targetname+%3D+%22Sindytank%22+and+amount+%3E+0)%0D%0Aor+(spell+%3D+%22Mystic+Buffet%22+and+targetname+%3D+%22Sindytank%22)%0D%0A)
That is one benefit. Second benefit is increased DPS in P3 when it is needed the most - You have 2-3 more DPS to take care of Frost Tombs (depending if you go with 2 or 3 healers).
Regarding threat issues: I wrote later that only 2 hunters are really needed for MD. In P1 DPS doesnt really matter, every single DPSer can hold off his damage if neede and still RDPS would be probably higher than when using 2 conventional tanks. In P3 threat shoudnt be an issue at all.
As for physical damage - the pet has ~25% avoidance and is crit immune. It takes avg 13K melee hits each 1.5 sec. That means it should be able to take 4 hits in a row without a heal for 6 seconds - log here (http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/zllxrx2yhd0mzykw/xe/?s=1848&e=2359&x=+school+%3D+1+and+targetname+%3D+%22Sindytank%22)
Your arguments are stunning, Bamse.
Stfu Alleriana :)
Ty for proving my point :)
ty for proving my point ;)
What point? Can't you come up with your own comeback? Sigh.
Quote from: bamsebror;313552stfu alleriana :)
omg *** bbq stfu cba
ye here is one: u can go and **** yourself :) Is that better ? i dident talk with u at all in this post did talk with DFE. then u comming: your arguments are stunning. if u dont can say something else then just shut the **** up. Tired of u already ;)
Quote from: Bamsebror;313561ye here is one: u can go and **** yourself :) Is that better ? i dident talk with u at all in this post did talk with DFE. then u comming: your arguments are stunning. if u dont can say something else then just shut the **** up. Tired of u already ;)
Im shocked to see Bamse acting like an child. Not like him.
Thanks for ruining our thread on Icc10 Hc Bamse, Jesus Christ...
Bamse, it is not mandatory to post on forum. If you dont have anything to post, just dont post it.
On the other hand forum is here for everybody to post if they have anything to say - forum means originally open public space.
I would greatly recommend you to go through couple of posts regarding dMw (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/content.php?144-About-Dead-Men-Raiding), our philosophy (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/content.php?143-Our-Philosophy) or even Community Standards (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/content.php?149-Community-Standards) (especially Language & Behaviour part) again if you dont remeber it from reading it for the first time.
If these dont fit with you well, nobody is going to hold you in this community. But if want to be a part of it, please respect theese posts (and other people)
I know you have some smilies in your posts but they dont look like jokes (or funny) at all.
Back to topic:
Also you say you have killed Sindy HC without a hunter but you havent killed her with hunter pet tank, yet you claim that conventional way is easier without offering any reasoning (we dont need to waste time on struggling to get sufficient number of hunters online. If Zeol and me are online, we can try. If either of us isnt, we simply go conventional way).
I havent killed Sindy HC yet. But I am bringing hints, numbers, guides, pros and cons, enthusiasm and readiness to try this out based on my research and to possibly kill her in non-conventional and yet "easier" way.
Quote from: Bamsebror;313561ye here is one: u can go and **** yourself :) Is that better ? i dident talk with u at all in this post did talk with DFE. then u comming: your arguments are stunning. if u dont can say something else then just shut the **** up. Tired of u already ;)
You didn't really talk to DFE. All i saw you say was: "That's stupid, i tanked this on hc mode, listen to me"
I'm basically posting cause you're not coming with anything constructive. And i'm also tired of you, Bamsebaby, if it helps.
And i'm well aware of the irony.
PS I'm gonna stop posting here now. Peace out.
Gz again on the fester and BQ kill guys we are getting good at this icc10hc thing and also Gz to the new kingslayers!!!! :D
Before commenting about where this post has turned into: ty dfe for researching into upcoming bosses and bringing options to the guild, shows some dedication :D
This post isnt so much more about the tactics that DFE has brought to the daylight but more about just spam each other.... The option doesnt sound too bad if we would get enough hunters to keep the aggro under control, and for the behavior of Bamse I dont think you are at the right guild if you have this kind of behavior... (doubt if any guild would accept this kind of stuff) swearing on your own guild forums wth?
Other then that: IF we would have enough hunters there we could try it :D we would have to adjust the raid by it by having less tanks etc... so maybe if we can get the right group it sounds great xD
And bamse you are one of the few that actually has done this fight but your contribution to this post is aweful...
Trickboxx the Kingslayer.
this is quite funny to see.. alle the ppl saying my name but non are saying anything about the comments Alleriana and Aklaren did say. that shows me whats going on :)
Ye its not my style to say ugly stuff Aklaren, but he did trigger me on a bad day ;) And u dident help ;) and everybody here is talking about zomg u are talking bad to a guildy.
Aklaren: omg *** bbq stfu cba
That sounds soo much better then what i did write. "ye".
If u dont like what i write about wasting time on doing this some other way then the normal way trick, then dont read it :)
But ill stop replying :)
Who's "Aklaren" ?
Quote from: Alleriana;313575Who's "Aklaren" ?
Aldaren then if u going to be like that
You could atleast learn the names of your fellow guldies. :(
Quote from: Bamsebror;313576Aldaren then if u going to be like that
I prefer to be addressed as Stargazer Aldaren