He probably thinks he's pretty awesome, but I wonder how often he'd get away with this without becoming an organ donor!!
The breaking ability of the R1 looks really impressive though.
[video=youtube;XihQeZpwqpE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE[/video]
Granted, the bike is nice, but the guy is an absolute nutjob.
Speeding on the wrong side of the road, and barely dodging cars... road hazard.
I'd be tempted to punch him through the window.
Welcome to my world. Seriously though, i wouldnt do that on an R1, its far to slow. If you look closely in the mirrors when he wheelies, you can see me right on his tail waving from my Honda Fireblade. He Just wouldnt get out of the way! Last one to the Gorky Park Mcdonalds gets the bacon mcmuffins in.
Idiot! fun to watch when it goes right, not when it goes wrong, and at that speed, he would kill the occupants of the car too
I can feel myself getting older as I type. I sincerely hope the guy is dead. For this simple and compelling reason.
Should he wish to endanger his own life, that is fine, do it somewhere like a track day. If he hit some unsuspecting schmuck he could kill them, worse still he could kill a child in a car....and thinking of my own, if someone were to endanger them in any way, shape or form...
Now, young hat back on, that's pretty nippy.
He's probably a smear on the road by now. Riding like that is 70% blind luck and 30% skill. So many times he lived because someone else did what he hoped they'd do. I agree with Benny we'd probably be better of without him. Still idiots have a tendency to remove themselves from the gene pool all by themselves.
Still nice vid but if he had ral balls he would have done that on a Hayabusa :norty:
He wasn't going that quick... the size of the camera made it look faster than it actually was. Still a pratt.
I'm not too worried about him dying, when you sign up for a motorcycle licence organ donation should be opt out. He clearly will and it won't take him too long, and someone that needs it can have his organs. I'm more worried about all the scratches he must put down the sides of car until then. I'd be really ****ed off if I were sat in traffic and some tw*t came speeding between my car and the next one over at 30mph and put a scratch down it. No chance of him stopping or even catching the plate. No matter where in the world you are, that would be annoying.
Me and Benny are sharing a zimmer on this one - what he said!
Quote from: Benny;319915I can feel myself getting older as I type. I sincerely hope the guy is dead. For this simple and compelling reason.
Should he wish to endanger his own life, that is fine, do it somewhere like a track day. If he hit some unsuspecting schmuck he could kill them, worse still he could kill a child in a car....and thinking of my own, if someone were to endanger them in any way, shape or form...
Now, young hat back on, that's pretty nippy.
Oh dear, i see there's some thinking from 'inside' the box going on here.
Im talking about he box with a wheel in each corner of course, and a radio to fiddle with, and a sat nav, and a hands free (if it actualy get used) so that other people can distract you, oh and a mirror to aid the application of lipstick or the use of a shaver. And a nice big spare seat so you can have your laptop running or thumb through your filofax or the daily telegraph. Theres a cup holder too so you can drink your favourite beverage whilst piloting 2 tons of steel and plastic in the rough direction that everybody else is. When you hit a pothole that you havnt seen and you spill your favourite hot beverage, your allowed to use as many lanes as you like whilst looking at your lap.
Then of course there is a nice lever that turns indicators on although im led to believe modern cars dont have these anymore? Especialy taxi's and bus's. You also have a large expanse of mirror vision but again, i hear these will be phased out too due to lack of use.
Then there is an ashtray for the smokers amoung you. But of course they dont get used because there is a motorcycle rider behind you that will quite happily allow you to put your smoke out on his £1000 leathers after youve chucked out of the window without using the aformentioned mirrors.
You also have those things that squirt water on your windows to aid vision. Funny how they usualy only do the front window but as the others arent used much, who's worried. You can aslo help clean your following bikers visor, helmet, gloves, leathers and bike by using them at speed. Dont worry if he cant see anything, he's used to it, as long as your window is ok, life will be good.
Then there is the wind down side windows which are handy for "punching" bikes that filter through traffic and get places quicker than you. You can always stop this by using the often used method of turning your wheel into his path so he cant get through. If your lucky, this might even stop him filtering for the rest of his life as his wheel chair wont fit through the gaps.
There is also a cap that stops your fuel from spilling out onto the road. If you fancy it, you can leave that at the fuel station because your four tyres will keep you upright when you cover the first roundabout or corner in diesel. Even if you do come across something slippy, your atc,abs, xyz, etc.. will make it safe for you so no need to concentrate there either. And finally, should it STILL go wrong, your airbag, side impact, crumple zones, blah blah, will keep you free from unjury so you can wish certain death on anything with less wheels that make more progress than you. :D
AND, AND, lol, i challenge anybody who may think this guy only has 30% skill to try wheeling my Fireblade. Please bring £10k so i can get a new one when your broken it. :D
Allthough a little unorthadox, this is a very very skillfull ride by this guy. It actualy looks faster than it is and closer than it is too, but i can assure you he is in control, he is paying attention and he isnt on the phone.:rolleyes:
Right, wheres that gate that leads into the lion pit.....
You're missing the point and, worse, you're trying to turn this into a car vs bike debate which it isn't.
Be it a biker or a car driver - driving like a tw*t on public roads is totally indefensible. Period.
As Benny says - if you want to do it then great, go to a track and I'll watch in stunned obeisance as you zip around the circuit. Don't go and do it on a road where you put everyone else's lives at risk.
He's clearly in control of his bike but not the road. There were endless moments where things went his way because cars did what he was expecting them to do. If at any point anyone of the dozens of cars drivers he passed had done anything other than what he expected them to do i.e. panic and brake, swerve between lanes, he would have hit them. At that speed he would have been dead and more importantly he could have sent 450lb of motorbike through someones windscreen. Technically excellent but his ability to react and adapt to a changing road gets him zero points. he made it through luck, not skill.
Just takes 1 door to open and goodnight to at least 2 lives, but there are plenty of bad car driers too, i see both on a daily basis
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Quote from: Snokio;321206... but there are plenty of bad car driers too, i see both on a daily basis
Oh God yes - hell even doing the school run and watching mums trying to park their oversized cars is jaw-dropping when watching their ineptitude. I've done a few shifts with a friend who's a traffic sergeant (when he's by himself he occasionally brings me along to sit in the passenger seat and work the computer/anpr/pnc thingy) and I can't believe the stupidity of some drivers :sideways:
I knew i was throwing myself to the lions, lol.
Im not trying to turn this into a car-bike debate, i mearly point out that idiotic and extremely dangerous things are done by car drivers every time i go out on the road (on two or four wheels, or sometime even eighteen). With that in mind, i do not wish those drivers dead! I do not wish them to be a smear on the road and you will probably find that most riders are organ doners wether they ride like that or not.
The view from a bike is alot different to that camera. With experience one knows exactly when car drivers are or are not paying attention and where they are going 99% of the time. I say this as someone who has been riding for *cough* 40yrs and on the road 27 years. I am also a DSA qualified instructor and an advanced rider. The skill and calculation in this guys riding is extremly good.
If it was not safe to ride on the wrong side of a double white line or filter through traffic or speed then the police would not be allowed to do it. The fact is, that with the right skills and attention, it is pretty safe.
Yes, someone could change lanes but they could do that if he was just sat there at 70mph. The difference then is only he is killed by someone elses lack of attention.
So, i ask why this guy deserves to be a dead smear on the road when the car driver looking in his mirror to shave on the way to work mows down a kid at 50mph in a 30 coz he's late, doesnt?
There is no difference BUT, from inside the box, there will always be that attitude towards bikes.
Im not saying our Rusky fellow is right, but his calculated ride is not as bad as it appears and the lack of attention from most other road users will cause more accidents and endanger life more than this guy will. :narnar:
.....more lions please.....:D
With regards to the video posted, if this guy was caught doing this in the uk, do you think he would keep his licence? Although the video may make it look faster, he is still going too fast to react, and in some cases had no where else to go. Its not a question of 'if' but when he kills himself or someone else, if he rides like that all the time, id rather wish he crashes and burns on his own rather than for it to happen to an inocent motorist.
That also applies to car drivers, which i will find and post a video
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I have no problems with bikes or bikers and certainly not if they're trying to get to the front of the queue. I used to have a bike (stopped when I went just one too many over muppets' bonnets as they pulled out on me) and still have many friends that do. I've also buried friends who have been killed on bikes. I always pull to side the side when I see a biker coming and usually get that gratifying small wave from the left hand in the process. Please don't presume to tell me I have a wrong attitude about bikers.
I take more issue with your 'condoning' of what he's doing.
QuoteSeriously though, i wouldnt do that on an R1, its far to slow. If you look closely in the mirrors when he wheelies, you can see me right on his tail waving from my Honda Fireblade
For a DSA qualified instructor and 'advanced' rider it doesn't quite seem like the right viewpoint to me.
Driving at that speed on a bike is reckless. I don't particularly care is he's the most skilled-biker in the world, it's plain unacceptable as it's plain unacceptable for people to be driving cars recklessly doing their hair, make-up etc etc.
Anyway onward and upward
Out of interest I showed this video to a friend who is a Police Class 1 driver and rider and a serving police officer. He watched it a couple of times and commented that the camera made the speed look a lot higher than it was.
However he identified seven points where the rider 'lost control of the ride'. they were at times 0:59 1:35 1:44 4:07 4:33 6:13 6:21. Plus his lane choices were 'all over the place' I'm semi quoting him :
He survived because at several points where he ran out of options an opening appeared which he couldn't have foreseen before it happened. Also there were two occasions where the ride nearly ended but for the fact that car drivers didn't complete their maneuver. Had they committed the rider would again have been out of options and would have had to have attempted an emergency stop, with no guarantee it would have saved him. There was one moment where indeed only an emergency stop prevented a low speed collision. Had the driver made the maneuver a second later the emergency stop would have failed.
Finally for much of the filtering down the center of the road and all the filtering between lanes two and three the rider wasn't considering pedestrians who might be crossing between the stationary traffic or other bike riders who might have appeared between the cars to begin filtering themselves.
"A safe ride needs the rider to have 'time'. If he has 'time' then no matte how fast he is riding he can anticipate and revise his ride as road conditions change. At far to many points the R1 rider didn't have enough time to plan and or react and so lost control of his ride. He was then depending only on luck. And that's no way to ride a bike fast."
My friend would have had two advantages over that rider. First blues and twos and second years of training and experience that the rider obviously didn't have. At some points my friend would have ridden faster but at many others he would not have gone as quick. To be honest almost the whole ride would have been spent out on the center line and he would never have ridden lane two and three at all. Out in the middle of the road is the best place to see and be seen.
So in summary "A good rider who can handle his bike but one who is willing to rely on luck to see him safely through a high speed ride. he knows when to ride fast and sometimes when to ride slow. However sometimes isn't good enough."
Here endeth the lesson :D
......and to prove that there are car drivers that ARE JUST AS BAD:
As a car driver, I feel exactly the same as I do with the bike rider
:)
Now THAT is cool...
I am of course being a twat, that's just as bad, tossers and I hope they peel their teeth out of the dashboard.
Penfold ol' chap. I do think its a little unfair to quote my first post as it was obviously in jest (ive never ridden in Moscow :narnar:). Also i do state previous that i wasnt agreeing with this fellows riding. What i have been saying in a somewhat sarcastic roundabout way is that i dissagree with some comments made against him. I'll make this my last post on the matter and abit more direct.
There is an attitude, and i wont be told otherwise, from the MAJORITY of car users that anyone on two wheels is a danger and a hooligan no matter how fast they go.
I 'make progress' on my bike but i havnt had an accident since i was 17. Im not slow and i dont sit in traffic but can i be that 'lucky' for 26 years?No. (oh, and ive also taught traffic cops) Im also one of the few people i know with a clean license and its been that way for 20 years. I do know for a fact that the view is much better, i do knowfor a fact that experience and attention will allow you to see what others are going to do in time to react and i do know that fast riding doesnt mean you will die or kill anyone else by the fact that im still alive and so is every other person ive overtaken.
This is why i posted in the first place, or rather the second post. Not to condone this guy but the threads overal response followed the usual uneducated response from folks who dont ride or cant ride confidently and safely at speed. Some people can and most cant. My experience tells me whats goin on here, your experience is a video that isnt half as bad as it seems.
As an example from memory as ive not watched it again, the guy does cross a pedestrain crossing. The camera makes it look bad as you tend to think, 'jesus, that was a crossing he just shot over and every one has stopped there, he could of mown someone down' but in reality, he can see over the cars at any pedestians that may be about and we cant see if the lights have changed or not. They may still be red but we dont know that, yet it is still viewed as bad and the biker gets another cross against him.
Just a Smile's police dude points out there are some dodgy bits, there are also alot of bits that you will view as bad when they arent. As he also says, the camera makes it look alot faster than it is.
The last few min's of the vid looks like he is filtering very fast in slow moving traffic. That bike will do almost 90mph in first gear. He is not even reaching half revs before he shuts the throttle and gets on the brakes so probably no faster that 40mph. Lets call it 50mph. A touch quick really but not life threatening by the time he has reacted and slowed down before he hits something. Considering the bike will do 0-60 in under 2.5 secs from standing, he has the option of accelerating into clear areas as well as braking when things dont go his way. Again, its not as bad as doing 50 in a 30 limit in a car that takes four times longer to stop past a school is it?
My defense of this guy is against the 'i wish he was dead' or ' i would punch him through the window' attitude as its unfair yet usual from MOST car drivers who simply dont have the experience to understand what they are seeing. Especialy when they approve and indulge in in the multitude of dangerous attention grabbing devices that are part of a modern car and fail to use the saftey devices like mirrors and indicators or even look.
How many times have you heard "oh i wouldnt pass my car test if i had to do it again"? Try asking your friends without bias and see how many say they wouldnt pass.:blink: Well if they cant drive to the DSA standard then they shouldnt be driving at all and maybe they should be banned along with this guy?
To sum up.... pot, kettle, black?:g:
Thanks Snokio for taking the time to find the car vid' but it wasnt needed for my point. I do think thats alot worse than the bike though, lol.
Benny.... :roflmao:
I'll shut up now.
Right, im off to use my dsa qualifications to teach some couriers how to be tarmac terrorist :norty:
(That was a little lighthearted joke just for you Pen' :narnar: )
I'm a bike rider Gpz 900, ZZR1100, although currently I have to be sensible and stick to a cheap car. Truth is there are dreadful drivers and there are decent drivers who become dreadful whenever they come within 100m of a motorcyclist.
Comments about the rider killing themselves are I imagine in preference to him killing someone else. Like anyone who is happy to put someone else's life at risk on the road my first hope is that they decide to give up completely and go buy a bus pass. Failing that I hope when they do have their inevitable serious accident it happens on a quite country road with no one else about.