Quote from: Amberleigh;320738for several weeks now, i have noticed the same people are going to the same raids, leaving the ones who havent been selected any chance of gearing up further.
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i have asked in guild, what does the raid need ? i`ve not got a reply yet, yes i am willing to make another character my main, but i`ve had zero feed back on this, some feedback on this situation would be helpful, as there`s more than me in this situation.
if it may be a comfort, you aren't the only one who feels this way.
for me, for the few (parts of) raids i've participated, it's been first a real B*TCH to get into.
First I wanted to raid as retri paladin, but got a well formed excuse about replying on forum. Then with my mage, got another well formed excuse that there were more then enough mages.
Then with my rogue. I'll just sum up the requirements, which'll be easier:
- Get XXX GS
- Make sure you are above +10k dps
- Get everything enchanted
- get the EXALTED enchants for head & shoulders
- Know tactics
- ...
pretty sure i forgot some, and pretty sure some of those requirements are fair.
But guess my surprise when, during my first raid, i was in the top 2-3 for dps, and i got the hang of tactics a lot faster then most. So ok, thinking you're on a roll, after few wipes: let's head to another place, sorry myth, YOU gtg. (so... about 5-6 persons to pick from, and ofc, they pick the person who's in his first cata raid. prolly coincidence)
So, let's give it another go, another (partial raidinvite) again the same boss, again the same wipefest, again the same location change, again the same player change. And this continues for few more parts of raids. Seemed like i only got in for my sprint on a boss that was certain to be a wipefest. But hey! I did get into the raidgroup for other bosses, which were pretty much on farmlvl, but then again, i was listed in group 7 or 8. So yeah, there's a rotation, sure. But the question still remains: what kind of rotation.
so, amber, really, you're not the only one with doubts about how things are going here. But then again, I had my glorydays at the end of WoTLK, when some ppl took a break. And yes, I mean the ppl who got back with cata, got back on the A-list with prio on everyone who isn't on there.
PS: hey TL & Whitey, are you glad i'm checking in on the forum now and then?
- Get XXX GS
- Make sure you are above +10k dps
- Get everything enchanted
- get the EXALTED enchants for head & shoulders
- Know tactics
I dont think thats a big ask
Quote from: JonnyAppleSeed;321068- Get XXX GS
- Make sure you are above +10k dps
- Get everything enchanted
- get the EXALTED enchants for head & shoulders
- Know tactics
I dont think thats a big ask
after doing it with 3 chars befor being able to raid with 1, it is.
Not quite sure how to take your post other than to be frustrated by it.
Ret pala - the answer is pretty obvious - melee spots are extremely limited in Cata, and even more so in a 10 man Cata raid group. We typically take just one melee dps in a raid and when we started raiding we went with what we had and adding more to the queue (which was at the time Sokhar, Sinap, Noreia and Grimnar) would not have been sensible, so please don't make it sound like a personal insult.
Mage - at the time you asked, we had two very high attendance mages for whom we had only one spot at most. Making it three would not have been sensible, so please don't make it sound like a personal insult.
Rogue - you showed up with few enchants, few gems and basically expected a raid spot. Sorry, but if I see a raid member taking the michael out of the other members of the raid by showing up with almost no preparation then I'd be inclined to not give you a spot either. Rep up, gem up, enchant, be prepared.
The officers put in a huge amount of time & effort to trying to make these raids work for EVERYBODY and to rotate people and accommodate loot needs. This effort, which seems to be so plain and obvious to almost everyone else, seems to be missed by some and just mis-interpreted by others.
The fact that you post what you have when you attend so little is kind of complaining that a paper cut hurts when you rub tabasco sauce into it - it's stating the logically obvious.
Quote from: Mythmaker;321062I'll just sum up the requirements, which'll be easier:
Get XXX GS
Make sure you are above +10k dps
Get everything enchanted
get the EXALTED enchants for head & shoulders
Know tactics
...
Maybe I'm feeling daft, but I'm pretty sure all of those are fair, not just 'some'.
We don't set a formal target for dps as it has so many factors affecting it, but yes you need to be aiming to hit those sort of numbers and higher as the dps threshold is that much higher the deeper into the instance you go. 10k dps is way too low for end-instance bosses and the aim should be higher.
One of the double-whammies you're facing though is that the easier bosses tend to be done on a Thursday at the start of the raid week and the start of an instance. If you have 22% attendance on a Thursday you are shooting yourself in the foot somewhat.
Quote from: Mythmaker;321062pretty sure i forgot some (of those requirements)
Yep, you should add:
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you need to turn up to have any chance of getting into the raid"
.....which sadly you have not been doing.
http://dkp.deadmen.co.uk/attendance.asp
If you show up barely one night in three and expect to get into the raid that night then you're living in cloud cuckoo-land. Sorry but raid spots are not handed out like that. The people that tend to get the spots meet the raid requirement *and* have accepted on the calendar. We have already stated that we expect 67% attendance and that we will presume those who have not replied to calendar invites are unavailable or might have to leave at any moment.
I suspect the above has far more to do with a raid spot than any of the things you have listed.
Quote from: Mythmaker;321062PS: hey TL & Whitey, are you glad i'm checking in on the forum now and then?
Absolutely.
I think that's everything and I apologise for being overly honest in my feedback, but I hope you can sense the frustration after all the effort officers put in to make it work for the whole raid.
well, let's just keep it simple then:
i did every ****ing thing that was asked of me, concidering the 3 chars, i did plenty. When i showed up, i did better then most. So seemed pretty unfair that I had to prove that I was "prepared" while others who were already raiding still should? With this in mind, every raid i was in, i got rotated out, while others stayed. So yeah, attendance slacking, putting a frustratring post here, kinda connects the dots? So yeah, about the officers effort to organise everything, congrats, but then again: it's not only the officers who made an effort and should be acknowledged for it
Quote from: Mythmaker;321074well, let's just keep it simple then:
i did every ****ing thing that was asked of me
I'm sorry, but resorting to swearing hardly helps your cause. Likewise, I fail to see the correlation between 'doing everything asked of me' and 'showing up without enchants, with green gems and without rep rewards'. Please connect those dots for me?
Quote from: Mythmaker;321074When i showed up, i did better then most.
Let's get factual please and explode some myths (pun intended). World of Logs show your performance in raids. Looking through them actually tells you how you did rather than how you think you did. For example:
Atramedes: only 1 person in the raid had a survivability rating worse than you and everyone else was 10% or more better. So on more than 25% of tries you died early. That's not out-performing people, it's dying early due to not adjusting to the fight - and it was a new fight to everyone not just you. Dying a lot more than 8 others in a 10 man raid is not pro.
You complain about only being 'used' for wipe nights and for your sprint and that you did so much better than others: well the logs show that in the Atramedes fight you were 5th out of 6 in DPSe for the Atramedes fights. 5th because you died a lot more than normal.
How about the time you turned up, wanted a spot and we said no when we found out you had no clue about the boss tactics?
How on earth are we meant to help you when you never show up? Don't complain about not getting into a raid that you generally never show up for - a raid which requests a 67% attendance when you commit to 43%.
Sorry, but all I am hearing is "why not me" and all I am seeing is you not attending. The right to QQ comes with attending and a couple of raid nights does not a raider make.
Your attendance since Cata started is listed here:
http://dkp.greenberry.co.uk/webdkp/Player/Mythmaster/1/date/desc
http://dkp.deadmen.co.uk/attendance.asp
Since Cataclysm launched you have attended a grand total of THREE full raids. All other raids you have either logged off immediately (thus losing any chance to listen & learn, or even be swapped in), turned up after raid start (thus missing being selected at the outset) or left before the raid ended.
Maximum lifetime DKP is about 200, you have earned 42 to date. Most active raiders have well over 100 and most nearer 200 DKP. Even Lego has more DKP than you and he has not raided since January 18th!
So how is this deserving of more time in the raid?
Stop the QQ, sign up for the new raid and attend it. If you do not you will not get a spot in that either.