Please list class and role needs in this thread. We'll amalgamate these needs with the wowprogress.com list.
http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/aszune/Dead+Men+Raiding
Quotedeathknight (dd) low
deathknight (tank) high
druid (balance) high
druid (restoration) low
druid (feral-dd) low
druid (feral-tank) medium
hunter low
mage low
paladin (holy) high
paladin (protection) low
paladin (retribution) low
priest (healer) high
priest (dd) medium
rogue low
shaman (elemental) high
shaman (enhancement) low
shaman (restoration) low
warlock high
warrior (dd) low
warrior (protection) medium
deathknight (dd) low
deathknight (tank) high
-We got no DK's atm however our Melee camp is really ful
druid (balance) high
-We have Sithy atm, however I think RGT has none
paladin (holy) high
paladin (protection) low
paladin (retribution) low
-We have none of the above, however Melee camp is full and a prot paly isnt really need, however I do want a Holy pala!!!
priest (healer) high
priest (dd) medium
-We have 1 priest healer(disc), I guess a DPS could be added to our team.
shaman (elemental) high
shaman (enhancement) low
-0 of the above, enhancement not really needed as noted, elemental.....can do not sure how awesome they are as DPS.
warlock high
-got none, want one tho :P
warrior (protection) medium
-Have 2 atm, I guess this is for RGT?
Can we update this please, it looks to me like you are still short of people and relying on 100% attendance which is simply not enough people. And is Sithy healer or dps? I need to update him on the attendance chart as he seems to be down as dps but I recalled he was a healer?
Let us know what you need and we'll update posts.
Holy Paladin: High
retro/prot: Medium
Warlock: High
rest is medium as we are sorted on that. However maybe a dps DK can be fun.
Sithy is mainly DPS but is our back up healer.
Updated our shout, wowprogress and forum posts to combined needs.
Quote from: macro1/2 Dead Men Raiding are recruiting for our 2 ten man raids. We're a L25 guild with 3/7 Firelands raid progress. We're looking for mature, sociable people with good TS communication skills to join our growing raid membership.
Quote from: macro2/2 We're particularly looking for a holy pala & hunter but all good applications are considered. If DMR sounds like the right guild for you then submit your application in the WoW section at //www.deadmen.co.uk.
Does this line need updating due to Firelands?
Just keep it up to date with current needs and ill bounce round the sites and update
I was more pointing out to the macro text
Bump, wanna swap from 12/12 to 2/7?
I already did on mine. I'll paste it up later when I log in as I referenced both T11 & T12
Bump: Need a new Hunter and warlock
Bump: need warlock, DK tank/DPS.....so spam recruitment
Think that's already on my list. We just need people to answer the spam and apply.
All ranged are in now. I think that puts us down to just needing 1 more tank - or are there any other classes?
nope should be fine atm, I think we should be looking towards 3days raiding when we got a new tank.
Currently showing recruitment on wowprogress as 1 DK or pala tank for RGW. The boomkin or ele shaman are for RGT requirements, let me know if this eneds updating or if you need additional classes to allow you to sit some people who might be holding the raid back.
Would love a hunter aswell :)
Duly updated.
Just been looking at the attendance tracker for RGW (http://rgw.deadmen.co.uk/attendance.asp). Are you sure you only need a tank? Comparing to RGT:
Tanks: RGW 2 - 2 RGT (but 2 melee offspec tanks to cover)
Melee DPS: RGW 3 - 2 RGT
Healers: RGW 3 - 5 RGT
Ranged DPS: RGW 3 - 6 RGT (5 current and recruiting 1 more)
Seems to me you need 1-2 more healers, at least 2 more ranged as well as the tank?
We got syrieth as offspec tank.
4 healers but 1 with connection issues, and a offspec healer.
Melee are good.
But ye ranged, hunter warlock, ele shammy??
Ok so who's missing on the tracker? It only shows 3 healers (inc Tormented).
I'll update recruitment to show looking for ranged.
Prenight respecced to Holy from Shadow
Tanks:
Sharp
Treach
offspec Syrieth(needs more work)
Melee:
Nims
Pals
Syrieth
Ranged:
Hermi
Hanne
Sithy
Vanguish
Healers:
Moonslash
Prenight
tormented
Dreaman
Brilliant :thumbsup:
Site updated now as it was missing Hanne & Prenight, so it looks a load better now )
Warlock
Ele shammy
Enh shammy
Dk tank/dps
Pala tank/dps
Any kind of healer
Need to push it big time, or RGW wont last long
All I can suggest is that people spam a recruit message in Trade in the 2-3 hours before raid time. If I'm on I try to spam it too, but we need more people spamming it more regularly.
I've updated the list to show:
1 x Tank
1 x melee dps
1 x ranged dps
1 x healer
If I list more than that then it looks like we don't have a raid group.
Well its looking like it, 7 signups atm!
Just updating to let you know how RGW is looking...
TANKS: Sharpfang - Warrior
Treach - Druid
Tyzo - Pally
MELEE: Pals - Druid
Nims - Rogue
Deriánez - DK
RANGED: Sithy - Druid
Hermi - Mage
Hanne - Mage
Cynba - Hunter
HEALERS: Moonslash - Druid
Hendrikjaan - Paladin
Prenight - Priest
Adilon - Shamen
We are getting a nice set up now.1 Spare for each role now.
Yet the dk and hunter are yet to raid as they have been invited this week.
The Dk has a nice tank gear also for OS but he has already been asking me how he can get premoted to RGT as he would rather raid with "RG1" so we'll see how he prevails....
ATM we dont need anymore imo as i will have to bench people often as we are only 5/8 on farm. After the next 2 raid nights i will be able to assess better the new apps and we can go from there :)
QuoteThe Dk has a nice tank gear also for OS but he has already been asking me how he can get premoted to RGT
... do we still take bribes ? :)
With a bit of luck the extra memebers may push some healthy competition in the dps
Quick question, where is this DK's recruitment app?
Back OT, we don't want to see an RG1/RG2 situation developing, so we need the competition in RGW to drive forward both the progress and sense of value.
yeah, have to tell him that RGT aint a promotion....actually it might be a demotion!
Lol Drea!
He was taken on as a social Tl, i received a PM from Jas saying he was interested in joining RGW.Good dps tank OS etc and to chat with him...So i spoke with him couple days ago and he said he would like to join as a trial. So I took him on. Sorry if he should have an app and ive taken him on not the right way.
Nah, no problem with him being moved from Social to Trial with RGW, that does not need an app. I was just interested in reading an app if it existed as I did not recognise the name.
He registered on the forums then I had a ts chat with him as his app messed up ...
He went thu the whole process and got the "thankyou" screen but it never stuck. He was happy with social while we decide if we had a spot. If we can use him then an app would be nice
As they havent turned up to many raids now....Prot pally tyzo and resto shammy adilon should be taken off trial and put to social.
So we could do with another tank,pref a pally not that important but would be nice and another healer pref a shammy.
before we drop them to social pop em a pm to get an update ... if they dont respond at least they cant say we didnt try
Sent them both a PM....Tyzo hasnt been online for 23 days and Adilon for 5 days.
Will let you know if i get a reply
As per in-game chat, Razzerr is now RGW trial. Please slap Sithy for the stupid comment in the recruitment thread.
Can we get an update here please? What are RGW's current needs as I think we have some demotions etc to do if they are not turning up. Remember, the aim is ot have a queue and some surplus to make sure you are never short of people or roles.
Sorry Tl....really slack atm,so much going on in RL....will update this later today
Healers we are good as lynx is coming back on his healer.
Tanks we have 2 and 1 geared os
3 melee (1 os tank)
5 ranged. (1os heal)
In regards to demotions....Tyzo Adilon havent been to a raid for ages and ive PM'd them on here and ingame with no response....The new kid razzeer...has had invites but not turned up to 1 raid yet, i havent seen him to talk to but tbh a 4th melee isnt really needed...took him on as deri wasnt turning up so much and nims kept being late but they have pulled their fingers out.
Going to start HC's from this week and if people arent coping i will update after raids so then we can get some trials in but dont really want to at the mo as we have "spares" for all. Dont want to bench 5-6 people.
Ok, let's demote Tyzo, Adilon and Razzer (if they have not been already). I've removed them from the attendance webpage.
http://rgw.deadmen.co.uk/attendance.asp
My concern with the tank situation is this: If you have close to 100% attendance then you can get away with 2 tanks + 1 melee offspec as a reserve, but Treach is horribly erratic in his attendance and I honestly think he needs large boot in his backside to either turn up 100% of the time - you only raid 2 nights per week as it is and it's simply not good enough to have 67% attendance for a main tank role. Keep in mind too that Sharpfang plays SWOTR and is about to start Op runs with them, so his attendance might falter.
Melee dps looks fine, but heavy with 3. 3 allows some swapping out of poor performers for particular fights.
Ranged dps looks fine with 5.
Healers we discussed last night and you're exposed on atm. Drea is about to drop out with baseball coming (so I've removed him from the attendance figures anyway) and that leaves you with only 3 healers. If Jewel is coming back as a priest healer then that's 4 and the holy pala we talked to last night (Baacoo) would make 5 and give you a full healer camp.
So, from my reading of the situation I'd say you probably need 1 tank, 1 healer (no healer needed if Baacoo joins)
You can probably get away with no tank if the attendance increases, but then also remember any wish to hold a Sunday raid too. When the raid group is full that's an ideal time to sound out people individually to see if they want a 3rd night of raiding.
Oh and don't forget to prod me or Jas or someone to keep the attendance webpage roster current, it was out of date quite a bit when I looked at it this morning!
I agree with the tank situation and i have spoken with Treach. His attendence dropped due to RL issues...First moving and then not having internet,but yes he has been erratic but is getting better. With Sharp he is playing alot of SWTOR and he was going to quit several weeks ago due to his and Drea's love/hate relationship, but has said to me he wants to continue here and is enjoying having more responsibilty in the raids.
Spoke with Lynx after we had a chat with that pally and he is confirmed back with his priest.
Ranged...atm 2 are performing to their best, both the hunters. Sithy and the 2 mages are having targeting issues as we can see from logs. Sithy has improved alot the last few weeks and is actually doing research, asking how he can improve and such. Yet the mages just dont seem that bothered....
Yup will keep an eye on the roster :)
I've opened up recruitment on wowprogress and here on the forums for ranged DPS with a preference for a shadow priest/warlock/elemental shaman.
I've also put us as needing a resto shaman (you have 3 healers in the raid atm and that is not enough imo.
We continue to have 'Medium' interest in tanks on wowprogress to hopefully provide some cover should the tank situation deteriorate.
Thats cool thanks Tl
SO after chatting with Neasa she has joined rgw with her lock Yaril,nice to have a proper dot class that brings a few extra bits for the raid. Banes,candy etc. She is geared ok'ish but is running LFR and hcs and i said i would help her to gear up bit quicker so hopefully we are onto a winner.
In regards to tank would be great to get a dk (even though there seems to be a curse with dk's and rgw :P)
Having declined the ret pala application, is a melee dps still a recruitment need? If it is then we might want ot change the wording used to respond to Dizi so that other applicants are not inadvertently put off.
Well we have 2 melee that are nearly 100% in attendence.Pals isnt quite there due to a dog show and felt she had to leave raid on 2 occasions due to dreaman and derianez.
1 melee with tank OS would be nice but for the time being i think we are ok. Ive spoken with hermi after her performance the other night,she has speced fire and is trying to learn how to play it. So 1 more ranged would be nice but again we have 4 (including neasa) @nearly 100% again hermi had a holiday so dropped abit.
Just really need a healer and a shammy would be lovely.
So with Lynx having a no show for about 3 weeks now he's bailed again /sigh. Ive tried contacting him on FB but no avail. So we are currently running with 2 MS heals and 1 OS.
Still want DK tank and resto shammy but a disc priest with shadow OS would be great. Disc is op atm and the shadow os if geared enough will be usefull on HC ultra as a soaker.
Yep I've been shouting for a DK tank and a resto shaman/disc priest for the past week or so. Hopefully 3/8 HC progress will bring some sniffs.
Just so you are aware, Tanales spoke to me today and is interested in raiding again on his hunter (the cast comes off his wrist this week so he should be good to go again). I've updated his guild note accordingly.
Tan was always a tremendously reliable and high performing hunter, he's well worth a thought if a spot opens under say 'performance management'.
Plus he has good leading abilities aswell, he has been one of the "raid" leaders in swtor.
Just spoken with Marduk and he has declined due to his last year of uni etc and cant really offer the commitment needed.
Hal has tried speaking with Pals and again nothing back i believe.
So we have 2 heal spots open would like a pally and monk pref. Yet we have a priest Clare ready and waiting so i think that could be viable....so a pally or a monk....
Dps wise i would like a rogue in. We have warrior and dk with dps OS so a rogue imo would be best if we want to take another melee.
In regards to Tan yes really want him in and he wants to join, so its just down to seeing if sithy pulls his weight.
or a melee dps monk
Have spoken with pals and she still wants to raid and is ready to go from weds.
clare recruited
Tanales is replacing Cynba.
I asked he agreed and is now on trial ;)
We are:
Tanks:
Mario - Warrior
Sharpfang - Warrior
Oddbal - DK
We are pretty good sorted here
Healers:
Pendice - Shaman
Missriggy - Druid
Amberleigh - Priest
Clare - Priest
We are pretty good sorted here but wouldnt mind a monk here if we would lack a healer in the future.
Melee:
Grimnar - Druid
Garyuu - DK
We need new here Grimnar will be on every other week for work and Garyuu hasnt showed up yet and not close to be geared.
Paladin would be prio here or a monk instead of Garyuu.
Ranged:
Switchbak - Priest
Tanales - Hunter
Swedeguy - Gnome mage
Hermioneg - Mage
Yaril - Warlock
Sithunter - Hunter
We are pretty good set here but Sithunter is not doing the DPS thats required yet. Hermioneg is falling after a little aswell. Swedeguys DPS is going up and down and he is looking in to that what it could be.
1 more here would be nice to see a hunter in case of Sithunter doesnt do enough or getting in a warlock or shaman extra to make sure that people keep up the pressure.
Great to see the forward thinking Mario, bravo & keep it up. In advance planning is probably what RGT spend most time talking about, so it's great to see the input :thumbsup: If I can add my 2 cents to this please for you folks to think about?
I thought Sharp's official role was melee dps, or are you settling on a 3 tank rotation?
That's the first question to decide, is Sharp a tank or is he a melee dps? In a group with 2 raids per week I would not want to have 3 melee dps, that's too many as two-thirds of your people will always miss half their possible raid time. It's better to pad dps numbers with ranged who can then either stand in melee if required.
The same argument also applies to tanks, with a proviso: that tank attendance is 100% (or as near to it as does not matter). RGT run with 2 tanks, but both have rock solid 100% attendance and we have Guru in backup to cover the very rare absence of Hal or Whytee. RGW have 2 tanks, who look like they are moving towards 100% attendance (Odd had a hiccup), so this needs checking. If Odd is not going be be a reliable 100% then you need 3 tanks, if Odd is 100% then Sharp becomes a dps and is only needed as a tank backup.
There are 15 in the list above. That breaks down into the Tier Token Groups thus:
4 - Priest/Pala/Warlock
6 going to 5 - DK/Rogue/Druid/Mage (Garyuu will ultimately lose her spot but given her illness now is not the time)
5 going to 4 - Hunter/Shaman/Warrior/Monk (Sith will ultimately be performance-managed out imo)
So your core raid is 4,5,4 in token terms whereas this needs to be at least 4,5,5 (and probably at least 1 more that this) to ensure full attendance and queues over time.
In a 4,5,4 group, to retain balance in the tokens and gearing then ideally you'd fill the spot from the hunter, shaman, warrior, monk group to make the group 4,5,5 again. Hunters & warriors you already have and you only have one shaman and no monk.
So, if Odd is not 100% then Sharp is a de facto tank and one-third of your tanks miss half your raid time and the open spot is in melee:
Tanks: Mario, Odd@50%, Sharp@50% (total 2 as required)
Melee DPS: Sharp@50%, Grimnar@50% (total 1, 2 required)
Rather than a ret pala, it would seem to me that looking for a melee dps monk might be a smart move here and we have at least one of those within guild that you could talk to about raiding.
The other option is to fill lack of melee dps with an ele shaman, which bumps up ranged coverage in anticipation of Sith being managed out and does not over-cramp the melee camp. Being short of ranged can cripple you on some content.
There are fights in current content where you need to go to 6 dps, so there is also an argument to carry more ranged than you can fit into the instance. Therefore adding both an ele shaman and a melee dps monk is also an option.
Running a 4-5-6 or 4-5-5 group should be fine for token balance as the 4-token always drops least due to fewer classes in the group, so adding to the Hunter/Shaman/Warrior/Monk is the least painful for loot.
As I said at the top, it's just my 2 cents and my way of thinking about the problem, so hopefully the alternative view helps you.
It should say paladin or a monk prio.
And yes we are 3 tanks. I will have a chat with odd and Sharp how they think ut works.
More will come when i come home from work
I'd have a chat amongst yourselves first to figure out how you would prefer it to work, then speak to Odd to find out about attendance, otherwise any talk with Sharp is speculative.
Pala I'd avoid simply due to it over-crowding the Priest/Pala/Warlock tier token and adding yet another plate-wearer to the current Mario/Odd/Sharp mix. A monk is leather, so is less of an impact to both armor type and tier token. Likewise, an ele shaman has the same benefits.
Everyone has worked real hard to remove the class/token balance problem RGW had in Firelands, so I'd really hate to see us backslide in this area.
Me and Switch talked a little after the raid last night and yes he wanted a monk aswell as prio and a pala was second but not by much.
Because we looked for the buff what they give to the raid
Which buff? With the new buff design paladins are far less important than they were for buff provision. For example, these are the paladin buffs/debuffs and who else covers them:
Stats: also by Druid, Hunter (BM with Shale Spider pet) or Monk
Mastery: also by Shaman (passive), Hunter pet (cat) or Hunter (BM) Spirit Beast
Physical Vulnerability: also by DK (Frost/UH), Hunter (Boar, Ravager & BM options), Rogue, Warrior (Arms/Fury)
Weakened Blows: DK (Blood), Druid (feral/guardian), Hunter (Bear, Carrion), Monk (Brew), Rogue, Shaman, Warrior
I'd recommend the Raid Checklist (http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/raid_checklist) addon for this purpose if you have not already got it.
Ty for that info i missed that and tyvm for the raid checklist im getting it
Im going to be late for raid tonight, when i am back i will speak to Odd. I think he had a blip due to being ill. He missed 3 nights i believe.
Sharp....Yes we took him initially as dps, yet at the start of raiding MoP he was geared for both tank and dps. Mario at this time had alot of work on for a couple of night so sharp stepping in was ideal. Then we had the issue with odd being ill and didnt raid for 3 nights so again sharp was there. He has geared his tanking stuff 1st and has worked on his dps gear.
As you say i think we are going to have to grab odd and sharp to discuss about this. Which kinda links me to my next paragraph....
Currently with sharp as tank and garyuu being ill we have 1 melee grim. As we know hes had a hard time with health/family and work. Also as posted he will be here 1 week and then not the next. So effectivly we have a spot open for a melee. Ive read your posts TL and i'll admit i didnt do my research into the buffs as Mario had mentioned. So ideally we would like a monk. It offers a varience for the team will be using leather, i know thats shared with grim but we have 3 cloth dps so deal with it :P
Odd asked me a few weeks ago if he could drop the dk and raid with his monk (dps/tonk). At the time i said no due to the fact tanks weren't stable at that time and we dont like swapping chars around....If one does it why cant I? is the question that would probably fire up from other raid members and it would cock up tier tokens etc etc.
Could this be viable though?. It would solve the 3 tank issue, sort out the melee camp and its an existing raid member? He could be mainspec dps and then os tank so we have a spare tonk if needed.....Only a thought....
Ranged....Im currently making notes on the range camp and after this weeks raiding im going to make a post about how we have started who has improved etc.
2 people are already and as normal are letting us down. Sithy and Hermi.
Sithy's attendence is too low and hes been told. Also you have been helping him TL and cynba was when he was about yet he's still not doing what his char is capable of... Couple reasons for this....well we all know hes not the greatest player, movement is poor and then that upsets his rotation. Also i think hes just not interested that much anymore. When he does turn up, he normally /w me and says in raid chat..."let somebody else go instead of me". Its not a great attitude.
Hermi. Meh we all know what she does and is doing the same. Dps is all over the shot,activity lvls are low moans about gear being low. A new 1 for me aswell the other night..." my add didnt go down as i couldnt get range on it in time " ***!!! your a mage...blink and burn. I spoke with her and swede about 2weeks ago to talk with midd. She hasnt. Swede has and it shows. Hes constantly pestering midd on ts and midd being the gent he is has spent alot of time with him. His dps does faulter from time to time yet i believe this is due to lack of crit which Midd told him about. The difference between hermi and swede is, swede actually acts on the advice given.
As i said earlier in this post, im going to write up a report next tuesday showing the range dps over the last month. I will then also PM hermi and sithy to tell them they have 2 weeks to show a BIG imp in all aspects of their playing or they will be replaced.
Pendice....I spoke with Pen last week asking her if she would like to take charge of the healing camp. She would like to but is also abit hesitant for some reasons which she wouldnt state. Im going to speak to her tonight. Would we give her access to this part of the forum or?....
For me personaly sure i would like to be in every raid and then its nice to be able to switch if anyone is sick or cant join and then wont feel bad if the raid falls short because of that.
Yes like Switch said we had problem with tanks (me and Odd) and the beginning and we said to Sharp to prio tankgear.
For Odd changing to monk that would help alot with melee and have tank as offspecc and then we dont get to many in the group.
Then depends on Sith we dont have to look for any in that tier but if Hermi aswell doesnt fix it then we "loose" 2 in that tier
Remember, i can be an offtank aswell, as already shown ;) I don't really need a second gear set (in the end it will save money) but i only have to do reforging to be tank ready.
But yeah, at the moment my attendence aint really helpfull for the group, next week i should be raiding again, as no family stuff or work should take me away, after that it is looking how things are working out at work.
We are dropping Garyuu from the group and we should fill the group.
Im thinking of having a melee monk and have healing offspec or get a ele or enh shammy
We dont really need the melee but not bad to have 1.
I was thinking of tier group and we dont have many in that gear type.
Current raid group looks like this then:
Tanks:
Mariotet - warrior
Oddbal - DK
Healers:
Missriggy - resto druid
Amberleigh - disc priest
Pendice - resto shaman
Clare - priest
FREE SPOT
Melee DPS:
FREE SPOT
Grimnar - feral cat
Sharpfang - arms warrior
Ranged DPS:
Sithy - hunter
Switchbak - shadow priest
Hermi - mage
Yaril - warlock
Swedeguy - mage
Cynba - hunter
Tier Token Groups:
4 - Priest/Pala/Warlock
5 - DK/Rogue/Druid/Mage
5 - Hunter/Shaman/Warrior/Monk
I think you also need to think about what Grimnar said. He's pretty much unavailable and perhaps it is best for him to comment here himself about how he feels.
Attendance is here:
http://rgw.deadmen.co.uk/attendance.asp
Tanks
In my own head there is still some confusion as to tank roles and I think you need to define and clarify the roles you have first. There has been confusion as to what role Sharp has in the raid. Is he melee dps or tank - and there's no way he should be tanking if a main spec tank is on the bench. If you use the 'lack of experience/gear' argument it digs you a hole for the future which is increasingly difficult to get out of. If Sharp is melee dps then keep him as that and only use him as a tank when there is no other tank online. If Sharp is a tank, then swap Odd to melee dps.
Recruitment
I think you actually have 2 free spots, not 1. Given that Pals will go and from your remaining 14 people, 3 of them are dubious, you're really only left with 11 to run the raid which is insufficient (the 3 being Grimnar, Hermi & Sithy - 1 for personal reasons, the latter 2 for performance-based reasons).
It would seem sensible to add to the DK/Rogue/Druid/Mage and Hunter/Shaman/Warrior/Monk tokens. From this, there is certainly 1 melee spot open which would mean Monk or Rogue depending on what is available.
So long as you continue to be happy with healer attendance, the other spot would then be in ranged so that you begin to have some performance management options. Currently, even though you know you have 2 problem members, there is little opportunity to swap them out. Given your current class balance it would seem either a boomkin or an ele shaman would be a suitable addition.
I'll leave you to think about the second spot, but if you don't have people in the queue to replace the problem performers then you'll struggle to do much performance management.
If you can post here specifically what we should open recruitment for then we'll edit this forum and wowprogress. I'll try to copy my recruitment shout into here too so that you can spam it (not too) frequently in Trade channel when you're online.
Tanks - Im quite happy with having 3 tanks but as you say we will have 1 sat out all the time. Sharp has been slowly gearing his dps gear as at the start but focussed more on tank gear due to the absence from mario and odd. Me personally would rather sharp as tank. He's alot better than Odd in my oppinion in nearly every aspect.
Will have a chat with odd tonight to see how he feels about going dps...if he is suitably geared and wants too then he can swap. If not then we are going to have to speak to sharp to let him know that he will be dps as origionly stated when the grp was planned and formed.
Heals - As we are is fine imo.
So melee yes we could do with another. Either of them monk/rogue would be fine. Depending what we get for melee we can then go for either b00m or shammy for ranged depending on the tokens
I would say also find a replacement for my spot. As i am almost gone for 3 months, comming online from time to time when i have the time.
Even after the comming 3 months there is a change that it will be extended.
But in the meantime i assume the group will progress and when i have the time again i will be far behind etc.
So for the group it is also better to have a replacement for my spot. raiding is fun but at the moment i sort of stand progression in the way.
Ok thanks Ice. I'll open up Recruitment on the sites and let's see what we get.
Out of interest, RGT's advertising got nowt recently, but when we asked existing RGT members if they knew anyone we had a response from Midd which might result in a good holy pala joining us. The moral of the story being, to ask existing RGW raiders to see if they know anyone good who wants to raid (and fits the class requirements!).
This website updated, wowprogress updated.
I do here a little post because for now it looks like we do need to do a big recruitment.
We have lost from RGW:
Switch - shadow priest
Riggy - resto druid
Sleia - balance druid
Odds - melee monk
and Pendice i havnt get an answer back yet.
We have at least 1 that can join us.
Silkylife - shadow priest
and then i have had a word with Jaylen thats a balance druid but she doesnt like that one and if she gets to raiding she would like to have Zteal thats a DK or a lock and she wants to join with her resto shammy but shes only lvl 85 or 86 on that and she said shes going to lvl fast and all of that.
If we get silky in as shadow we still need more people in.
My wishlist is and it can be changed because of what we get in and im thinking of tier items aswell.
Van: DK, Druid, Mage and Rogue.
We have 2 mages (Swede and Hermi) and thats it.
We can get in a resto druid, balance druid or even a DK to be able to be third tank after that odds having a break.
Con: Paladin, Warlock and Priest.
We have to healing priests (Amberleigh and Clare) then we have Yaril as lock.
We might get in Silky for shadow priest so here i would like to see a holy pally and maybe have it as third/forth tank or even go melee dps.
Prot: Warrior, Monk, Shaman and Hunter.
We have 2 tanks with Warriors (Mariotet and Sharpfang) and 2 hunters (Tanales and Sithunter). Then we dont know about Pendice and Odds is having a break.
So i say here we can go for healing monk.
Resto or a elemental shammy
so to sum it all up we have a broad base to get it all covered.
we should get at least 1 more melee because of odds leaving
Aye I have opened up the recruitment post on this website and also on wowprogress. We'll keep doing the shouts in game channels too.
Don't panic, we'll get this sorted asap. Change is a good opportunity for improvement, so look at it with a positive spin!!
Re the gaps:
Agreed that it helps to look at this from a top down perspective, we'll need to see which apps we get in and how best to fill the spots.
RGT currently have 12 and are recruiting 2 more, so a total of 14 to run the raid. I'd recommend you get at least 14 given to allow for attendance issues and performance management. Let's say 14-15 for the group, which should ensure a good queue. In a perfect world, that allows up to 5 of each token.
Van: DK, Druid, Mage and Rogue (2: currently 2 mages)
Con: Paladin, Warlock and Priest (3: currently 1 warlock, 2 priest)
Prot: Warrior, Monk, Shaman and Hunter (5: currently 2 warrior, 1 shaman, 2 hunters)
Total 10 people with 4-5 recruitment spots open
From this breakdown it would be less than ideal to add more (e.g. a mistweaver monk) to the token group that is trying to gear your main tanks and some of your best dps - so I'd recommend filling the gaps from the Van & Con tokens, not from the Protector group.
If Pendice steps down then yes a shaman spot opens up, but let's pursue this on the basis that she remains as the token group is otherwise solid.
Adding Silky to fill the shadow priest & backup healer role immediately would be good. It also provides emotional support to RGW as they will see a new member joining.
That would bring tokens to: 2 Van, 4 Con, 5 Prot
So, focusing on Van & Con token classes and ruling out those for whom you already have enough:
DK, Druid, Mage, Rogue, Paladin, Warlock and Priest
This leaves 3-4 spots to be filled from the Van & Con groups (DK, Druid, Rogue, Paladin, Warlock) to provide:
1 -a melee dps with a backup tank role
2 -a ranged dps
3 -a healer
(4 -possible 15th player, dps)
Assuming 3 remaining spots open (made up of 1 Con, 2 Van tokens):
The off-tank role could only be filled by a DK, druid or pala
Healer role could only be filled by a Pala or Druid
Ranged DPS role could only be filled by Druid or Warlock
Imo that's your recruitment list really. Which classes fill which gaps depends on who applies but those you accept tend to dictate what you need to take from for the remaining spots if you want to retain some semblance of balance within the group.
If you needed the performance management options and a bigger queue then you'd need to take a 15th member and this probably fits best with a 2nd melee dps, but still within overall 5-5-5 token balance.
Jaylen:
Resto shammy could be an option (RGT used to run 2 and they work well) but you're full on that token. If Pen is dropping then you can get Jaylen in immediately now on the druid as a temporary measure and then say the shaman needs to be ready by 5.2.
Warlock is an option but you have Yaril and it would fill close out the Con token group and mean the remaining places can only be filled by the Vang token.
DK could work too, but only if the off-tank ability is solid too.
Took the liberty of merging your thread into this one so that all recruitment discussion is in the same place!