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Title: AvP
Post by: Tutonic on November 05, 2003, 12:48:41 PM
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/large.html (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/large.html)  

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/featurette/ (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/featurette/)

It better not suck! :D
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Post by: JimmyJazz on November 05, 2003, 04:24:55 PM
looks promising...that guy did make resident evil however  :unsure:
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Post by: Zok on November 05, 2003, 04:31:53 PM
:o
i liked resident evil
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Post by: smilodon on November 05, 2003, 06:13:15 PM
You liked Milla Jovovich, the film was doo doo  ;)
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Post by: Zok on November 05, 2003, 07:15:28 PM
she is lovely
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Post by: Dingo on November 05, 2003, 08:35:36 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon@Nov 5 2003, 06:13 PM
You liked Milla Jovovich, the film was doo doo  ;)



I liked Milla and thought the film was BRILLIANT!!  :narnar:  :narnar:
Title: AvP
Post by: Stryker on November 05, 2003, 09:55:20 PM
ok so this one is another "Freddy vs Jason" movie, but by-jngo I like em!!!!! and I look forward to AvP.   PS to all the directors out there, we've had cartoons to movies up to our eyeballs, now we want more big movie hits vs big movie hits, personaly I cant wait for "Show Girls" vs "national lampoons"  :rolleyes:  :blink:  :lmfao:
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Post by: Dingo on November 05, 2003, 11:47:47 PM
............and what's more I bought it for £7.99 with a freebier thrown in from Blockbuster so I got Black Hawk Down as well for the same price!!.........................I make that £3.99 a movie..............bargain!!  :narnar:  :narnar:


.................and I get to watch her again and agasin!!  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)
Title: AvP
Post by: Swoop on November 06, 2003, 11:37:43 AM
Hmmm YAVSM (Yet Another VS Movie).

I heard rumors that even Superman VS Spiderman, ect ect ect is being made.
Come on people.. have some originality...

I recently saw Jason VS Freddy, and on some level it was kinda cool, but mostly because we saw it on Halloween, and also because on some level 2 "immortal" againt each other was kinda cool :D

But 1 VS movie is certainly enough for 5 year or so.. i mean why does ALL the movies have to come out in a trend fashion ? Then it's marvel comics that HAS to be made movies.. then it's VS movies... whats next ?

I propably give it points for effects caus i doubt they are gonne be bad, but originality and story i most likely give 0 ... be creative.
Title: AvP
Post by: Tutonic on November 06, 2003, 12:35:23 PM
AvP has always been a movie possibility though, (the comics have been going for ages, and there's already been two decent PC games based on it) whereas freddy vs jason was a blatent hollywood cash-in D:
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Post by: ChimpBoy on November 06, 2003, 01:04:55 PM
Resident Evil was a travesty of a film, but there is hope as the director is the same guy who directed the excellent Event Horizon. Great "space noir" and obviously heavily influenced by alien, which gives him some pedigree.  Although he did direct the risible Soldier.  Shame David Fincher or Chris Nolan wasn't given a chance at this project.

Personally I am a huge fan of both the predator and alien franchises - the films are great for the majority (apart from perhaps alien 4), both pc video games were outstanding, and the comics and novels are good fun.  I was hoping they'd copy the story for the first novel "AvP : Prey" set on a colony world where aliens get loose and preds are on the hunt with humans in the middle.  Good read if you're interested.

There is so much potential that I hope it isn't wasted, as both characters are long overdue for a return to the big screen, and I think the two together are such a natural fit from a fans point of view that comparisons with other "vs" movies would be unfair given the history.  Glad to see Sigourney isn't in it - think she would have detracted from the spectacle, even if she is a truly great actress.
Title: AvP
Post by: Dr Sadako on November 06, 2003, 01:14:32 PM
More information can be found here:

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&...v&id=1808496110 (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808496110)
Title: AvP
Post by: smilodon on November 06, 2003, 08:19:38 PM
Paul Anderson has written and directed mainly rubbish so far.
The production company has produced nothing of worth so far.
The last Alien was a flop
The last Predator was a flop

The target audience were children/embryos when both francises were made

This film will probably stink..so there  <_<
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Post by: JimmyJazz on November 06, 2003, 08:22:42 PM
the avp games are fantastic, genuinely scary as a marine and great fun with all the gadgets as a predator.  im hoping the film would be pretty good, it looks hopeful from what i saw in that featurette

if memory serves that man was also the brains behind mortal kombat so fingers crossed eh?
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Post by: ChimpBoy on November 06, 2003, 09:08:18 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon@Nov 6 2003, 08:19 PM
Paul Anderson has written and directed mainly rubbish so far.
The production company has produced nothing of worth so far.
The last Alien was a flop
The last Predator was a flop

The target audience were children/embryos when both francises were made
As did the Wachowski's pre-Matrix 1, and then mainly rubbish afterwards, especially seeing as they are making the next conan film  :narnar:

I think Event Horizon shows the talent of Anderson - it he can recreate that feel on screen then this will be a success.  I don't think anyone wants to see Resident Evil or Soldier again.  With Fox behind the project I think the mention of the production company is a little weak as an argument as to why the film may suck.  With a film of this notoriety you can expect fox to have a great deal of control (whether that's a bad thing or not I guess we'll see)

Both characters remain very popular  with the current generation thanks to the pc games (a third avp on pc is also in the offing next year), and sci-fi is always a popular genre, and horror is certainly "en vogue" these days.

Alien 4 was certainly a flop but alien 3 isn't the travesty everyone makes it out to be.  Repeat viewing shows how good it is, and the second predator was a flop commercially largely on the basis of some terrible casting of Danny Glover.  If Arnie had returned for the sequel there's a good chance it would have been a success given his popularity in those days.  

The fact that people still know about the predator and alien movies after all this time shows their continuing popularity amongst cinema-goers.  The re-release of alien directors cut certainly ain't going to hurt.

Also good to see Lance Henrikson back as the original founder of Weyland-Yutani

Maybe it will be poorly executed, maybe it won't - I for one can't wait to see the results
Title: AvP
Post by: smilodon on November 06, 2003, 10:37:30 PM
Fox have allowed vast numbers of dross films to be made, most recently...

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Speed 2, Planet of the Apes, Men of Honor .
Big films, big stars, big budgets, big piles of crap. So they are quite capiable of allowing AvP to be rubbish.

The difference in the number of people who play a popular PC game compared to the number needed to make a Hollywood movie viable is huge. That the game is popular does not even begin to guarantee sufficient box office sales.

Arnie isn't in AvP, in fact no real A List stars are. Both franchises were heading south as far as box office and quality were concerned.

This has cash in written all over it. The studio will not allow the film to be too dark or complex. Big hype, big bangs big scares and not much else. Had Ridley Scott, Michael Mann, John McTiernan, Jon Woo etc. etc. been on board then it would have my attention.

So no real director, no real stars, no big production company and a studio quite capiable of allowing utter dross to be made ?
Like I said...... it will stink.
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Post by: ChimpBoy on November 07, 2003, 09:24:03 AM
I see your point smilo, but this is also a studio that in the recent past has made some very good and interesting films such as:

X-Men
X2
The TV series 24
Fight Club
Tiger Land
28 Days Later
Donnie Darko
Phone Booth

Again, the studio isn't really a reason that ensures the film will suck

Your point on video games not being big enough to generate a movie audience is also a little off imo.  Example would be Tomb raider -   Popular video game spawns awful film that did well at the box office (plus an equally awful sequel that was a huge flop).  AVP isn't an idea origianlly from a computer game - it's simply an extension of a very successful and hugely influential set of films.
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Post by: Dr Sadako on November 07, 2003, 10:25:58 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy@Nov 7 2003, 10:24 AM
I see your point smilo, but this is also a studio that in the recent past has made some very good and interesting films such as:

X-Men
X2
The TV series 24
Fight Club
Tiger Land
28 Days Later
Donnie Darko
Phone Booth

Again, the studio isn't really a reason that ensures the film will suck
28 days later was really good the first 25 minutes ... then it just went downhill very fast!  :(
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Post by: ChimpBoy on November 07, 2003, 11:16:51 AM
True Sadako - the london bits were very impressive, especially from a "british" film.  The bit in Manchester is less impressive, but still a good film imo
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Post by: smilodon on November 07, 2003, 10:48:58 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy@Nov 7 2003, 09:24 AM
Your point on video games not being big enough to generate a movie audience is also a little off imo. Example would be Tomb raider -  Popular video game spawns awful film that did well at the box office (plus an equally awful sequel that was a huge flop). AVP isn't an idea origianlly from a computer game - it's simply an extension of a very successful and hugely influential set of films.
Nope.

Tomb Raider the game didn't generate that much  initial box office for the film. It was Lara Croft the Media Icon and large breasted female fantasy figure that did it.

And Tomb Raider was SIX games and three expansion packs, released across three gaming platforms. It sold millions of copies world wide compared to AvP and AvP2 which sold far less combined than even the first Tomb Raider game sold.

The games will add almost zero interest in the film. Fox Films will obviously be leveraging off the previous film franchises and not the games. As the films time line is the present, specifically a few years post Predator 2, neither of the AvP will directly affect the script either.

And both Tomb Raider films were crap....as AvP will also be.
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Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on November 08, 2003, 03:45:23 PM
They are also making Resident Evil 2 now as well.
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Post by: Zok on November 08, 2003, 08:30:30 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Gh0st Face Killah@Nov 8 2003, 03:45 PM
They are also making Resident Evil 2 now as well.
if its as good as the first one i'll be happy
Title: AvP
Post by: ChimpBoy on March 31, 2004, 05:23:33 PM
New internet trailer here with actual footage this time.....

AVP Internet Trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/internet_trailer/)

Looks pretty cool  8) and also has Ewan Bremner in it
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Post by: smilodon on March 31, 2004, 07:21:47 PM
Now I'm curious.

AvP, like ST2, has all the hallmarks of being a pile of tat.

Two films both cashing in on their originators.

Two directors, one that has produced nothing that could be remotely considered quality with the possible exception of Event Horizon (although that was a cinema flop), and another that has produced nothing...at all.

Two writers that produced nothing of merit other than the 1st Starship Troopers and maybe Robocop.

Two cast lists of absolute nobodies.

Their only difference seems to be that one is attempting a cinema release and one isn't.

So I'm interested to know what else suggests AvP will be good and ST2 will stink?
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Post by: ChimpBoy on March 31, 2004, 07:49:04 PM
Not biting Smilodon ;)  I think it looks very promising, and Event Horizon, flop or no flop, was a good little sci-fi horror film.

And you can't say "maybe" to Robocop - a truly fantastic film that goes far beyond the simple action films of the '80s.  All that stuff between the lines on "Yuppies" and materialism, the shortcomings of Corporate America, keying in to growing fears of global dominence by Japan, American media's fascination with violence, the effect of technology on mankind, and growing unease over privatisation of public services, to name but a few.  Truly astounding film when you consider it was viewed as a "simple" action movie blockbuster upon release.

Robocop is a fantastic film on all levels showing just what promise Verhoeven had until he screwed it up.  Starship Troopers is a poor second to it, although it has many of the same or similar wit and social commentary when you look at many of the themes in it.  ST was so much more than an action film, but so few people saw that at the time resulting in a spectacular flop.
Title: AvP
Post by: smilodon on April 01, 2004, 12:06:15 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy@Mar 31 2004, 06:49 PM
Not biting Smilodon ;)
Sorry but it's a serious question.

You argue that Robocop, written by Ed Neumeier was a great film. Fine, but he also wrote ST2 which you suggest will be poor.

Peter Briggs wrote AvP and all he has done is write the as yet unreleased Hellboy. Other than that he's written zip! Doesn't this suggest ST2 has the better writing credentials?

On the other hand Phil Tippett who directs ST2 has directed nothing before that. All his previous fim work has been as a stop motion animator.

Paul Anderson on the other hand directed Event Horizon, Kurt Russels Soldier, Resident Evil and Mortal Combat; before he had a crack at AvP. None of these are good films (including Event Horizon that began well but ended in a complete mess) but he at least has some directing experience.

So both films have little to recommend them other than ST2 has a writer of some merit, and AvP is hoping for a cinema release.

My point still stands - what is it about AvP that suggests it will be far better than ST2.

That no writer, director or actor of any note agreed to get involved in either film suggests both films will be dross and we'll probably all die in a nuclear accident or meteor strike or something,
 :eyebrow:
Title: AvP
Post by: ChimpBoy on April 01, 2004, 09:39:26 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon+Mar 31 2004, 11:06 PM-->
QUOTE (smilodon @ Mar 31 2004, 11:06 PM)
QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy@Mar 31 2004, 06:49 PM
Not biting Smilodon ;)
Sorry but it's a serious question.

You argue that Robocop, written by Ed Neumeier was a great film. Fine, but he also wrote ST2 which you suggest will be poor.

Peter Briggs wrote AvP and all he has done is write the as yet unreleased Hellboy. Other than that he's written zip! Doesn't this suggest ST2 has the better writing credentials? [/b]No problem whatsoever with what you say there matey.

ST2 does have better writing credentials than AVP, and Paul Anderson has an awful track record, bar Event Horizon which we could argue about till the cows come home.  On the basis of this you are indeed correct.

As you well know, a lot of my fevered anticipation for AVP comes from the fact that I'm a huge fan of both franchises.  Films, games, books, comics - I've seen, read and played most of it.  I truly am looking at this through a fans eyes  8)  And the trailer looks pretty good (not an indicator I know, but my interest is piqued).  I for one will be there on opening day with fiver in hand, as is your right to rent ST2.

Title: AvP
Post by: smilodon on April 01, 2004, 08:25:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy@Apr 1 2004, 08:39 AM
Ewan Bremner?
Exactly. Hardly A list is he?

I like a lot of what he's done, but I'd still suggest he's not quite in a position to pick and choose his roles. If his agent gets him the gig, then I'd argue he'd take the money good film or bad.

And Robocop isn't defacto a great film. Kurtwood Smith was a truely rubbish bad guy. I could have beat the crap out of him without the need of a metal exo skeleton. In fact his whole crew was more or less forgetable. Ronnie Cox can do Corporate B'stard in his sleep and looked like he did just that in this film. Paul Weller and Nancy Allen are unremarkable actors, who both went on to nothing much at all. The film needed actors of greater weight. Alan Rickmans Die Hard or Robin Hood is a good example of how far Kurtwood Smith missed the mark. Michael Keaton's Batman or Robert De Niros Neil McCauley (Heat) shows how the laid back laconic approach can work. Weller just seemed flat in comparison.

Some like it, and some like me think it was a good idea not quite realised. The Corporate America run wild has been done many many times before and much much better in some cases. Bladerunner is a case in point. You see that the world has gone to rats without having the point shoved down your neck as was the case in Robocop. In fact Starship Troopers made a much superior stab at it, with is "Do you want to know more?" beating "I'll buy that for a dollar" hands down.

Much of the plot is stupid, like the police going on strike and the streets falling into Anarchy. What about the National Guard?

The fim did have some great touches though. The building of Robocop shown through Murphy's eyes as the scientists turn him on and off was great. The visit to his old home was moving and the " You have 20 seconds to comply" scene is a piece of cinema hostory.

Robocop was a great idea, made on a budget, that didn't quite hit the mark.
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Post by: ChimpBoy on April 01, 2004, 10:24:48 PM
I hate to let this rumble on  ;)  But.....

You said there was no actor of note - I simply replied that there was an actor of note in the form of Ewan Bremner.  Also Lance Henriksen (but given his somewhat hit n miss career I didn't bother, knowing you would shoot it down:) )

I really disagree bout Robocop, but seeing as I get the impression you simply posted to wind me up I won't bother condemning your short-sighted and sometimes irrelevant and spurious comments too much  :narnar:
Title: AvP
Post by: smilodon on April 01, 2004, 10:46:07 PM
Your paranoia is worrying young padawan. I'm not trying to wind you up at all. Although I admit I have something of a healthy track record in baiting and this is 1st April, I'm being truthful.

Ewen Bremner is not a particularly well known actor. I doubt anyone who has been sad enough to follow our thread will recognise the name (although his face is a bit more familair). I don't dispute his talent but he's hardly Brad Pitt or Tom Hanks.

My comments about Robocop are genuine. Obviously it's all a matter of taste. They tell me there are 16 million people somewhere who watch Eastenders three times a week. Hard to believe I know. The point is that while I think it's a pile of dross millions don't. And while I think Robocop is a 'so so' movie (and have explained why) you don't. There's no right or wrong...just opinion. Except  Ann Robinson and The Weakest Link of course, that really is crap, no matter what anyone says ;)

I liked Robocop but didn't think it was a great film in the way I think Bladerunner is a great film or The Godfather is a great film.  So there ya go
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Post by: ChimpBoy on April 01, 2004, 10:56:22 PM
I wouldn't disagree with you pal  :wub:

You said an actor "of note" - I pointed out Ewan was, certainly after stuff like BHD and Trainspotting.  He's no George Clooney I concede.

I wasn't comparing Robo to Blade Runner - 99% of films will suffer in that comparison.  I just think it's a really good film that has many layers to it and bears several viewings (much like ST - plus Dina Meyer in the shower and the first outing for Den Richards  :dribble:  )

Now there's one to add to our list with Cameron and Salma for making an entrance  :dribble:
Title: AvP
Post by: JonnyAppleSeed on April 02, 2004, 06:35:20 AM
I have a simple outlook on new films

1 must see at the movies
2 wait for dvd
3 watch on dvd cause non of the above is happening

can someone in the know please tell me is it 1/2/ or 3 :lmfao: (chimp and smilo have got me all confused)
Title: AvP
Post by: DuVeL on April 02, 2004, 06:56:46 AM
It's more like:

1)Good looking girl(s)
2)Good looking girl(s)
3)Some action (with girls)
etc.......
Title: AvP
Post by: smilodon on April 02, 2004, 08:03:11 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by JonnyAppleSeed@Apr 2 2004, 05:35 AM
I have a simple outlook on new films

1 must see at the movies
2 wait for dvd
3 watch on dvd cause non of the above is happening

can someone in the know please tell me is it 1/2/ or 3 :lmfao: (chimp and smilo have got me all confused)
Robocop is always a good watch. I just think that if Verhoven went back and did it again he'd do a much better job. Now he has the clout to pull in some top actors for his main players (especially the role of Clarence Boddicker), have the script tightened up and do a better job of the special effects.

On the other hand Robocop was a film of it's time. Back in 1987 Wall street was booming, everyone wore red braces, earnt a packet and were slaves materialism and the search for the next big score. The world has changed in the last 17 years and Robocop looks a little dated. While it was set in the near future it has the 80's written all over it. We're in that near future now. So the film needs a new feel to reflect the fears and concerns of 2004 not of 1987. It would be nice to see it redone and modernised but I can't see it happening. Ahhh such pipe dreams.

ST2 and AvP both have the potential to be great films regardless of their straight to vidoe route and questionable cast and crew.

ST2 is DVD only so there's no chance to choose to see it at the cinema. Personally I'm going to wait for AvP to hit DVD too before I see it. I think it's worth £3.75 and a trip to Blockbusters but not £7.00 and an evening at the flicks
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Post by: Moment on April 02, 2004, 08:06:51 PM
i think i will wait for it to come out on dvd as well.....

loads of extras n stuff on it  :narnar:
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Post by: ChimpBoy on April 02, 2004, 09:24:42 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon@Apr 2 2004, 07:03 PM
Robocop was a film of it's time. Back in 1987 Wall street was booming, everyone wore red braces, earnt a packet and were slaves materialism and the search for the next big score. The world has changed in the last 17 years and Robocop looks a little dated
Totally agree - It does key in on the whole Gordon Gecko thing.  Although I disagree 'bout Kurtwood Smith - when he snarls at the beginning "Can you fly Bobby" before chucking that guy out the van, and during the ensuing slaying of Murphy I think he shows a really sadistic, albeit somewhat ott, streak.

Can't wait for AVP - just pray to god it doesn't turn into another Resident Evil  <_<
Title: AvP
Post by: Dr Sadako on April 07, 2004, 09:06:57 AM
(http://www.materialkemi.lth.se/dmw/ft040407.gif)  8)
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Post by: OldBloke on April 07, 2004, 09:22:28 AM
N1 Sadako.  :)

Got me thinking ...

The latest Hollywood genre appears to be Zombies. Surely Jesus was the first Zombie  :huh:  :)
Title: AvP
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on April 07, 2004, 09:28:11 AM
Hence the release of The Passion of Christ, describing Jesus's life before he became a Zombie.
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Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on April 07, 2004, 09:30:14 AM
I too am looking forward to the release of AvP. Although I have to say Preadator 2 why? The Aliens and Predator are some of my fav movie baddies.
Title: AvP
Post by: DuVeL on April 07, 2004, 12:04:35 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Gh0st Face Killah@Apr 7 2004, 08:28 AM
Hence the release of The Passion of Christ, describing Jesus's life before he became a Zombie.
No, he was the true dead Man Walking!!!
Title: AvP
Post by: Benny on April 07, 2004, 01:53:27 PM
Shaun of the Dead will be good.
Title: AvP
Post by: ChimpBoy on April 07, 2004, 02:28:53 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Benny@Apr 7 2004, 12:53 PM
Shaun of the Dead will be good.
I have very high hopes for this - Nick Frost is hilarious

Going on sunday hopefully
Title: AvP
Post by: smilodon on April 07, 2004, 06:53:39 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy+Apr 7 2004, 01:28 PM-->
QUOTE (ChimpBoy @ Apr 7 2004, 01:28 PM)
Title: AvP
Post by: Zok on April 07, 2004, 08:04:03 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy@Apr 2 2004, 08:24 PM
Can't wait for AVP - just pray to god it doesn't turn into another Resident Evil <_<
Indignation :angry:
Title: AvP
Post by: ChimpBoy on April 08, 2004, 10:20:04 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Zok+Apr 7 2004, 07:04 PM-->
QUOTE (Zok @ Apr 7 2004, 07:04 PM)
Title: AvP
Post by: Zok on April 08, 2004, 03:05:16 PM
Cohesive it won’t be, a jumbled mass of words maybe, an amount of words rearranged to make some sort of sense, doubtful.

It’s a jolly romp, based on a console game there’s hardly going to be any depth of story, there is no sense of empathy for the majority of the characters, buts that’s okay because the don’t live that long anyway. It’s got plenty of action, some quite nice special effects and plenty of zombies wandering around ready to tear and devour the flesh from the ill informed cleanup crew.

Basically it’s no brainer entertainment in a box, as such it’s never going to be a classic movie, but it will be entertaining, and that really is the point, there is no in depth story, you’re not introduced to the characters, you’re not really aware of what kind of society they are living in, but in watching this kind of movie who cares?

When AvP comes out it is more than likely that I will trundle down to the local Odeon to watch it, if I enjoy it I may even add it to my DVD collection, is it likely to become a classic film in the same way that Alien was? I think not, it will be another title added to the rapidly expanding mass of “pop” films.

And on a final note, I doubt very much whether I could change your mind about this “pile of steaming poo” as I take it you are old enough to form your own opinions. :narnar:
Title: AvP
Post by: ChimpBoy on April 08, 2004, 07:44:22 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Zok@Apr 8 2004, 02:05 PM
there is no in depth story, you’re not introduced to the characters, you’re not really aware of what kind of society they are living in, but in watching this kind of movie who cares?
This was kind of my point - even the sfx aren't up to much (that big dog at the end was awful) and the whole thing looks amateurish.  The strike team at the beginning get wiped out - ok, but look at how James Cameron did it in Aliens.  You got to really empathise and sympathise with Frost, Drake and co, yet they don't make it 40 mins of the film.  With the RE bunch I couldnt pick them out of a line up.

You have no actor to carry it (a model as the lead and a supporting actress notable only for a bit part in the Fast and Furious  :o  ).  It's an ok console game that is one of many poor film conversions.

Unfortunately it smacks of virtually all Paul Anderson films i.e. looking like a very cheap direct-to-video release.  I pray that AvP will be as dark and scary as the trailer makes it appear, but Resident Evil didnt have me on the edge of my chair once.  And the shuffling zombies are a poor comparison to the fear generated by the ones in 28d ays later that ran screaming at you for your blood.

QuoteAnd on a final note, I doubt very much whether I could change your mind about this “pile of steaming poo” as I take it you are old enough to form your own opinions. :narnar:

Now now Zokky - I've always believed in my ability to be both persuaded and educated  ;)
Title: AvP
Post by: smilodon on April 08, 2004, 08:23:41 PM
Now if Alice had been a man and had been played by Bill Paxton and Jenette Goldstein had taken the role of Rain Ocampo then I think we'd  be singing a different tune ...eh Mousey  ;)
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Post by: Dingo on April 08, 2004, 09:42:12 PM
ZOK RULES OK!!



I loved Resident Evil


and no doubt in 20 years time when it is a classic, much sought after, and reviewed time and time again on Film 2024, you my dear Chimpy will be eating Humble Pie, and extolling the virtues of a little known, but clearly brilliant, review of a Gentleman by the name of ZOK ;)   :rolleyes:



Star Wars Pfttt!!! :whistle:  :ph34r:
Title: AvP
Post by: Zok on April 08, 2004, 10:19:23 PM
Thank you Dingo, I had indeed heard you were a person of impeccable taste.


Now were getting personal, there is nothing wrong with Milla.

I’m not saying this to get a rise but to be honest I find James Cameron films a little on the bland side. If you were to be talking about the Alien films, then I would have to say without any doubt that the first film was definitely the best and most original, it was also expertly directed. The third film, although receiving many slatings, also had an original slant. Your gonna hate me for this but, I really like the fourth episode (although it’s not a patch on the previous three). Aliens, mmmm, tis indeed a very good film, but I feel that Mr. Cameron has taken the Japanese approach to this film (as he has done with others) in that its not that original, it appears to be much better but has a plasticky feeling to it. What makes the Alien films exceptional is the Alien and Gigers incredible artwork.

Anyway that’s my opinion

Of to Florence tomorrow so have fun guys

Can’t wait to meet up at the LAN

Cheers
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Post by: ChimpBoy on April 08, 2004, 10:58:32 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Smilodon+Apr 8 2004, 07:23 PM-->
QUOTE (Smilodon @ Apr 8 2004, 07:23 PM)
Now if Alice had been a man and had been played by Bill Paxton and Jenette Goldstein had taken the role of Rain Ocampo then I think we'd be singing a different tune ...eh Mousey ;)[/b]What?  Nonsensical and incoherent as always bud  ;)  It's just a bad, bad film.

QuoteOriginally posted by Dingo@
I loved Resident Evil

Now I feel truly vindicated ;)

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Post by: smilodon on April 09, 2004, 12:33:47 AM
Cameron is one of the most grossly overated directors of all time. He has managed to do nothing of any great merit.

He began reasonably well with his low budget Terminator. As is often the case when a Director is working on a restricted budget, especially when he or she is a relatively unknown director , then they don't have the luxury of self indulgence. This tends to lead to tightly directed films. Terminator is the classic example of a film stripped of Hollywood excess by budget constraints. Pitch Black is another prime example. Both films are much the better for it.

After thet we have the abysimal Abyss. A film that looked great until it's excruciating ending, which must go down as the worst and most implausiable ending to a film ever made.

His only two decent films were Aliens and Terminator 2. Neither an original idea and Aliens was arguably the least true of the Alien Quadrilogy. The other three films for better or worse, stayed within the sci-fi horror genre, with their dark and depressing styles. Cameron can't do stylish horror, so unsuprisingly went for a big effects war film. The Aliens lost all their terrible potence by becoming cannon fodder for Camerons band if idiot testosterone pumped marines. A good film but not great. It certainly rode the coat-tales of the original film.

Terminator 2 worked only as a vehicle for Arnie and without him,  plus the inspired casting of Robert Patric as the T-1000, the film would have been the crap Terminator 3 only twelve years early.

True Lies was poo apart from Bill Paxtons scenes and the Jamie Lee Curtis striptease  :dribble:

And then we have Titanic. Proof positive that the world has gone insane. Remeber this film was considered by the Acadamy to be better than As Good As It Gets, The Full Monty, Good Will Hunting and astonishingly the superb LA Confidential...nuff said.

After Titanic there's been some TV work and thankfully nothing else. I just hope he's taken early retirement.
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Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on June 14, 2004, 11:07:03 AM
New AVP trailer here (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/internet_exclusive/large.html)
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Post by: ALpHA on June 19, 2004, 07:15:33 AM
omg...thats looooks siiiick!

i can't wait to see it!!

 :taz:  :clap:  :taz:
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Post by: Barley on June 19, 2004, 11:20:38 AM
Looks quite good actually, I was expecting some tacky Freddy vs Jason remake type thing :P
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Post by: DarkAngel on June 20, 2004, 01:24:31 AM
SWEET  :D  Always loved the aliens films and the predator one's
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Post by: Zok on July 01, 2004, 01:56:00 PM
Oh dear (http://www.cinemablend.com/new.php?id=242)
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Post by: Dr Sadako on July 01, 2004, 02:41:12 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Zok@Jul 1 2004, 01:56 PM
Oh dear (http://www.cinemablend.com/new.php?id=242)
:lmfao: Priceless! Even worse than I thought it would be. :)
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Post by: smilodon on July 01, 2004, 05:55:23 PM
QuoteIf I can stop just one person from seeing Alien vs. Predator, I’ll be satisfied. Of course, if I were looking forward to this movie, I probably would still see it, regardless of what “some guy” thinks. But I beg you: don’t see this movie. Don’t support Paul W.S. Anderson. Because if you do, he’s only going to continue to make more movies like this.

Well the reviewers convinced me not to see this film.

So probably worse than ST2. There's a turn up for the books eh :whistle:
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Post by: ChimpBoy on July 02, 2004, 10:14:53 AM
Hmmmm looks like he may have ballsed it up after all - shame  :(  

Some more reviews of it here on AICN - 5 in all.  2 bad, 2 good-ish, one indifferent.

AVP: AICN (http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=17889)

Seems like he was trying to re-write AVP: Prey (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553565559/qid=1088759632/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_11_2/026-1390737-2023631) but put it in a more contemporary context.  Shame, when the book is a nice little sci-fi read in it's own write and didn't need the apparent butchering that it got.