Quote from: TLQuote from: hubbahHey Teaell!
Just a quick question, im really thinking bout comming back to wow ( still thinking about if it would last seeing i quit like 2 days after i left the guild last time.. :S ).
Just wanted to know if RGT still needed people and if so what classes / rolles.
Simon
I think we'd love to see you back, I'd need to chat to the others about if we could take the hunter or if another class might be best, but I'll talk to them today to find out and get back to you.
Great news Hubbah, it would be good to raid with you again.
I'd like Hubbah back in, he's the type of player who can make a difference, but we need to think where we can slot him in. I'm thinking hunter we might be able to take due to the gear and dps and it would replace Grimnar's forthcoming inactivity? Or am I reaching? (we'd struggle to add another melee if Grimnar is to return, tanks we're ok on, we could arguably take a holy pala I suppose, and ranged dps is the remainder where we know he can perform)
In my opinion I say get him back on his hunter, the attendance for the range camp is fairly bad and for the last few raids we have been forced to adapt our tactics a bit to more melee, and on his hunter we know he can preform the dps and awareness we need in RGT.
Ofc I dont know how his healer his and how well he plays it but (sorry Jas) the attendance for the healer camp looks better and we are normally (not always I know) sorted on healers for the raids.
only my :2cents: ofc and you other guys might have different opinions but at least I've voiced mine :P
I think bring the player not the class fits Hub very well ... great skillz a nice guy. I know he left the guild but he did it in the right way and hes stuck with the forum after and pops in with the odd comment or 2. We still have a shortfall in Healz and ranged so im thinking 2 hunters would not be all bad, also i iz thinkn his skillz would be wasted as a healer
would b good to have him back on whatever but ranged is where we are lacking a bit at the moment as well as healing
Invited him back on his hunter by PM tonight. Waiting for his response.
Great news, and the hunter gets my vote too (even if it's a late one).
I sent you all a PM from Hubbah. I could not believe the comments he made re specific other raid members and frankly if that's his attitude then I'd be quite happy to not raid with him any more. It was bordering on racism imo.
Hubbah has consistently had his mind (and another body part) elsewhere ever since Dragon Soul. I am not surprised that with his workload, his travel and love life that the quality of his raiding and TS attention has been 'highly variable' at best. However, I do not think we need to retain someone that jumps to the conclusions he set out in his PM without bothering to speak to anyone else. My 2 cents if that if he wants to go then let him, it's a clean sweep and RGT move on with or without him.
You're the ones who will be online tonight, so you guys can make the decision, but you might want to book another dps for additional backup to cover the possibility that Hubbah decides not to show up.
Have 'fun'. I think they call it that?
I know guru has been a tad spikey from time to time but as hes raiding with this sort of ill feeling bubbling under the water it makes more sense. I like him hes plesent and very very dedicated. Hes come to us all regarding BUFF issues at some point. I thought it was something we were missing leading the raid. Tho now it becomes clear why hubbs ignores his whispers/requests.....he hates the guy.
I don't want to be blackmailed on who we get in the raid to keep it running. If people have problems when we get new guys in I take it under advisement but "its him or me as an attitude just sucks" Ill be explaining to hubbs that its *not* his choice who we get into the raid team. He sorts out his issues with guru+clare or moves on
Had this lovely chat with hubbah tonight
Quote[20:24:34] [W From] [hubbah]: why are we turning down a raider when we dont have enough people to raid with at the moment?
[20:26:52] [W To] [hubbah]: who are you talking about?
[20:27:04] [W From] [hubbah]: the holy pally?
[20:27:12] [W From] [hubbah]: there is only 1 person to talk bout :P
[20:27:30] [W To] [hubbah]: :P cause that would mess up our class balance
[20:27:44] [W From] [hubbah]: if we dont raid classes dont matter..
[20:32:11] [W To] [hubbah]: ye I know, we have talked alot about it and we are doing our best to solve it
[20:36:15] [W From] [hubbah]: ye...
[20:39:09] [W From] [hubbah]: i dont understand
[20:39:21] [W From] [hubbah]: id happely raid with 5 hunters if that would mean i could raid
[20:44:31] [W From] [hubbah]: i think we should be looking at actually recruiting people to raid instead of looking at class balance
Its a fair question
"id happely raid with 5 hunters if that would mean i could raid"
He just needs to understand he would be running MV and Toes
He needs to understand that an extra holy pala would not have helped us last night and tbh, if all the dps turn up we're fine as I could have healed. That's better imo than running 3 palas in a raid, one of whom would be sitting at i480.
Quote from: hubbahSorry missed whytee because i could not fine his forum name.
I know i am abit moany and all but i do have a question for the officers id like to have answered.
Why are we ( as a guild ) turning down possible raiders ( which show alot of interest in the community ) even though we don't have enough people to raid with at the moment?
I know class balance is the thing but not raiding is alot worse then having to share some gear.
A few weeks ago we had:
Zolena, Guru, Niel, Slush and me on 1 token.
Now we have Whytee, Hal, TL and Aga on one token?
Still one person less then was on my token :-S
Why are we turning people down when we are stuck on a dead server ( were its very hard to actually recruit ) with 2 raids already cancelled?
Should we not be happy to be able to recruit a person?
If you would like to talk about stuff tonight, ill be online just before the raid.
Hubz
Clearly we need to have a chat.
Why do we want a resto shaman?We need a healer from either: Monk, Shaman, Pala or Priest.
2 resto druids won't work, likewise 2 monks is not great for 10 man healing so it comes down to a priest or a shaman imo.
Imo, resto shaman brings a shed load more to the party (see table).
Buff|Holy Pala|Resto Shaman
Heroism|-|Y
Spell Power|-|Y
Stats|Y|-
Mastery|Y|Y
Offensive dispel|-|Y
Defensive dispel|Y|Y
Disease|Y|-
Decurse|-|Y
Ranged & Short CD Interrupt|-|Y
CC Beasts/Humanoids/Elemental|-|Y
Fear Demons/Undead|Y|-
Snare/Slow|Y (talent & judge)|Y
Stun|Y|-
AOE stun|-|Y
Most of the paladin buffs or raidwalls we already have well covered within the raid.
A shaman also brings:
DPS boost: stormlash totem
Raidwise anti-fear: tremor totem
Grounding totem
Raidwalls: Healing Tide & Ancestral Guidance (pala has nothing similar and only has magic damage reduction)
Resto Shaman > Holy Pala for our raid
Class/Tier Token Balance
Conqueror: (3 classes) Paladin, Priest, Warlock - (4 was 3) - Whitey, Halbarad, Teaell, Agastrat
Protector: (4 classes) Warrior, Hunter, Shaman, Monk- (4 was 5) - Guru, Hubbah, Tanales, Zolena
Vanquisher: (4 classes) Rogue, Death Knight, Mage, Druid (4 was 4) - Amon, Devlan, Jas, Milly
Shaman fits in with our loot distribution better (no other mail intellect users, whereas cloth already has 3 others in competition.
In addition, Blizzard adjusted the drop rates of tier tokens to suit the number of classes in each group (see wowhead for drop rate evidence). Protector & Vanquisher tokens
drop 33.4% more than Conqueror tokens, so you would hurt the raid gear up and progress significantly if you overload the Conqueror group. As both main tanks are in this group and some decent dps, it would have a big impact and definitely slow the raid progress.
In addition, when he applied he was i473 and is now i481. Neither level is of any use whatsover in ToT, so if we took him in we'd need to go back and gear again through T14 content to get him into a position where we were able to carry him into T15.
.....and that's why we need a resto shaman and not an under-geared holy pala.
Spoke to hubbah tonight and he says he is willing to move his hunter back to aszune and help us out in the raids until we get a team back up just wanted to check with you guys that it is ok before he pays money to move his hunter back?
Quote[23:58:53] [W From] [Neasa]: i was thinking, i dont plan or actually comming back raiding, but id be willing to help you guys out for a while till the restof your team is back
Quote[00:10:50] [W From] [Neasa]: but you do understand what im saying right? id be doing this to help you guys out, its not like ill be back to raiding in rgt for the next few years..
Quote[00:15:26] [W From] [Neasa]: i can make most raids the comming month i think, might have to miss 1 sunday and going on skie vacation on the 1st of march for 7 days