Dead Men Walking

with 2011 now finished :crying: now is the wait for 2012 season, but with a huge obstacle in the way :angry:


Yes, that obstacle is that of the greedy people of 'Sky', which should be added to the swear filter. So with that in mind, I will rename it 'Wayne'


Does anyone know of a way to watch F1 live without Wayne sports? i.e. over the tinternet? was thinking that if I can get a foreign feed, I could watch it, mute it, and listen to radio 5 live :g:

I am heavily interested in this thread also.

I rid myself of Wayne Sports last year, ****ed off that the match (football/Cricket) that I wanted to see was switched to Wayne Sports2 or 3.
This afternoon I watched L'pool v Man City on t'internet for free, quality not great, but watchable.
This is my source http://www.footballstreaming.info/streams/todays-links/
N (http://www.footballstreaming.info/streams/todays-links/)o doubt there are similar sites pointing to F1 etc.

I too have no interest in giving Wayne sports anymore money than they screw out of people already & I don't want to go back to the days of watching f1 with ad breaks in either.

Try http://www.firstrowsports.tv/ for your online sporting needs.

i thought it was 1 50/50 thing between wayne and bbc...i thought we were getting half of it at least and highlights for the other 1/2

from bbc sport

QuoteThe BBC and Sky Sports will broadcast Formula 1 in the UK between 2012 and 2018 under a new rights deal.The BBC has been the exclusive broadcaster of F1 in the UK since 2009 but its contract with Formula One Management was due to expire after the 2013 season.
Sky Sports will show every race, qualifying session and practice live.
BBC Sport will broadcast half the races live, as well as the qualifying and practice sessions from those races.

50% of the races will be on the BBC with highlights at around 1pm, by that time, I would of incidentally heard the results. The early races will be on Wayne, and that includes the first 2 opening races :angry:

the highlights will be 2 hours coverage, and seeing that the race limit is 2 hours which has come very close to in the past, I feel this cut down version will not satisfy my F1 needs

After 2018, I fear that Wayne could take full rights to the coverage as the number of people watching will fall due to this 'half season' approach and will not make it viable anymore for the BBC, and if they do, it will be Pay-per-view, maybe not straight after, but eventually it will.

Thus forking out 5 times to watch F1 live (Tv licence, Wayne, Wayne sports package, Wayne HD package, pay-per-view, and the possible 3D package making it 6)

I really don't want to pay Wayne anything, they get money from running 1000's of adds in every program & then you have to cough up a subscription too, screw em, I want nothing to do with them or whatever they show.

There will be no advert breaks in the grand prix, that's about the only good they've announced. Can you imagine if "Wayne" sports put an ad break randomly in a half of football and did the ITV trick of: "here's what you missed...we're replaying it so it's ok right?".

I won't be signing up for it. If I can use my parents skyplayer log in and stream it I will, otherwise I'll take to downloading the sky feed afterwards. I already miss most of the races when they stream (I catch about 50-60% when they're on) and just avoid facebook etc until I've caught up.

I'm constantly hearing that you need either Wayne HD or Wayne Sports to watch the new waynesports F1 channel, but it's not made very clear

http://f1.sky.com/#our-new-channel

it states:

'Full Wayne Sports & Wayne HD customers will be able to watch the channel for free and enjoy'

But if you look at the 3rd page, it lists the different options :g:

All the races will be on the beeb, some will just be a bit late, so that'll do for me. Should I really want to watch them all live I'm sure i'll find them somewhere.

Quote from: Snokio;339291I'm constantly hearing that you need either Wayne HD or Wayne Sports to watch the new waynesports F1 channel, but it's not made very clear

http://f1.sky.com/#our-new-channel

it states:

'Full Wayne Sports & Wayne HD customers will be able to watch the channel for free and enjoy'

But if you look at the 3rd page, it lists the different options :g:

I read those options as the current prices for the packages listed by "Wayne", not an additional cost for "Wayne Sports F1"...

Quote from: target;339475I read those options as the current prices for the packages listed by "Wayne", not an additional cost for "Wayne Sports F1"...

I read it as if you have either HD or Sports, you get it free. Other options were just about if you need to sign up to things.

The better way to do it would be if wayne sponsored F1 in some way and they insisted all the footage be recorded in 3D, that way there would be at least some motivation or reason for people to watch it there. At the moment there's none. It seems like they've plonked this years features on next years coverage and just required £30 a month spend with them. The BBC was already covering the races in HD, I don't see any extra value in the premium.

I just priced up getting TV through virgin media just out of curiosity along the lines of "What if I could get virgin TV and not pay a TV license would it be worth it. Short answer No. Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Christ it costs a lot, and they still haven't announced if skys F1 will be on virgin yet...

Some new info on presenters & which races the beeb will have -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/16516805.stm

Nice video of the new MP4-27a with Jake & BBC's new signing, ex-Technical Director Gary Anderson who gives some really nice technical background to some of the changes made.

//www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16864721

On a personal note, at least the MP4-27a looks nice.  The alternative slab nose that is appear looks truly horrible (although arguably better from an aero-devlopment point of view).

Ferrari (slab nose)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16875660

Force India (slab nose)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16875664

hopefully im heading up to

Great end to a season, 3 great races! Fond memories!

yeah was an interesting last race, still a bit curious as to why Vettel never got penalised for the overtaking under a yellow flag though.....maybe they thought 'well he is going to pass him at some point anyway'

It was a red and yellow flag 'apparently' (slippery / oil etc), looked yellow on the TV, plus Kob went straight into the pits so wouldn't of been able to of yielded the place back, Shame Alonso didn't get the drivers championship :(

Hmmm interesting, that's probably a logical explanation, it definatly looked yellow to me though lol

Yeah I was routing for Alonso thought he had it after turn 4 and was hoping vettals car would give up but fair play to him he drove a good race, ( even if he couldn't talk to the pit wall, although there was no problem with his Mic when race was finished)

All in all a good season, I'm a big fan of F1 but I don't tend to express my opinion very much on here due to me always being wrong lol

Here's to next season which will be quite interesting

It's a shame to see schuyyy retire.

It should have been Hamilton's season. To see him plagued with problems at the races his car was strongest was painful, having said that, this race Alonso was essentially robbed. The final race summed up the season that came before it.

1)Hamilton Dominant but taken out through no fault of his own
2)Alonso driving the arse off a poor car, getting the best possible result he could get
3)Vettel being extremely lucky

1) This has happened quite a few times, by my count he would have easily been in with a should had 3 or more of those retirements from an almost guaranteed race win not happened, that's without taking into account unlucky pitstops etc.

2) Alonso truly deserved the championship yet again. You only have to give him modest finish at Spa to have him take it instead, and clearly that was not his fault.

3) Vettel was incredibly lucky this race. He made an awful start, got caught up in a jam and crashed into (very similar to collisions that have burst mclaren radiators on a few occasions) yet somehow he stays in, gets gifted positions by safety cars (again) and the sister team (again) and Schumacher couldn't have taken a much wider line to let him past. I know those two points didn't decide it, but he does get incredibly lucky and benefits from interteam orders (which do bug me).

I understand team orders happen, and I'm fine with that, what happened with Massa in Texas is a bold piece of strategy which brought the season to life. But if they'd asked a driver from another team to take the penalty it would have ruined things for me. Same when the Toro Roso team drive hugely out of their way when they are technically racing for position...Oh well, looking forward to next year now.

I'm not a big fan of Ferrari or Alonso but hopefully they can get him a car that gives him some chance from the start of the season next time round.

Quote from: T-Bag;362188The final race summed up the season that came before it.

1)Hamilton Dominant but taken out through no fault of his own
2)Alonso driving the arse off a poor car, getting the best possible result he could get
3)Vettel being extremely lucky

Yep, that is a remarkably accurate summary of the season.  

Alonso drove the Ferrari far faster than it deserved to go through design.   Despite personal dislike of him, I would have prefrerred he won the  Championship.

Vettel?   Just how lucky can a chap be?  Not just in this race but in several others during the year as well.

Hamilton, defintely would have been battling for the Championship had he not had several disastrous pit stops, mechanical failures, fuelling problems and then being punted off the track several times by the go-kart club members.

A fun year though and possibly the most action-packed Interlagos race I can recall.

I know where I'm going!



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Quote from: Sparko;362124yeah was an interesting last race, still a bit curious as to why Vettel never got penalised for the overtaking under a yellow flag though.....maybe they thought 'well he is going to pass him at some point anyway'

Quote from: Sparko;362135Hmmm interesting, that's probably a logical explanation, it definatly looked yellow to me though lol

Yeah I was routing for Alonso thought he had it after turn 4 and was hoping vettals car would give up but fair play to him he drove a good race, ( even if he couldn't talk to the pit wall, although there was no problem with his Mic when race was finished)

All in all a good season, I'm a big fan of F1 but I don't tend to express my opinion very much on here due to me always being wrong lol

Here's to next season which will be quite interesting

Looks like Sparko may've not been alone in thinking that

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638

While I'm no fan of Vettel I think it would be a terrible thing if he lost the world championship based on the few yards of track between him and the green light when he made the overtaking manoeuvre. If Alonso becomes world champion based on a move that had absolutely no bearing on the final result it will be a very hollow victory and one I don't imagine he could feel very proud of.

lifted straight from the f1 rule book

Yellow flag
Indicates danger, such as a stranded car, ahead. A single waved yellow flag warns drivers to slow down, while two waved yellow flags at the same post means that drivers must slow down and be prepared to stop if necessary. Overtaking is prohibited.

Green flag
All clear. The driver has passed the potential danger point and prohibitions imposed by yellow flags have been lifted.



But as in vettels case he was passed the yellow but before the green, so i think alonso has a case. But i may add i dont like ferrari or alonso but rules is rules . Its like the safety car line there is a green flag there but you can overtake until you pass it. Would be very harsh though to rob him of this as he was gonna pass the guy in front anyhow,

Looking at the vid Seb is overtaking under a yellow flag. Interesting to see what the FIA decide as they should have acted on it then.

Quote from: Blunt;362307Looks like Sparko may've not been alone in thinking that

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638

Aye this is different footage though.  The one we saw on the TV broadcast was going up the hill towards the start/finish line, but this is an overtake from the beginning of the race which was not broadcast (certainly not via Sky) as they were showing replays of the start at the time.

The rules of F1 seem to be fairly clear, you do not overtake until you pass the first Green flag, in which case Vettel erred.   We've seen lots of other drivers penalised on strict following of the rules and this does seem to be clear cut.  

The only question I have in my mind is when does an overtake complete?   Is it when you returned to the racing line (which was after the green flag) or is it at the point you get ahead of the other car on the track (which was distinctly before the green flag).

An interesting one to watch and to my mind, it will be a much fairer outcome (if a little harsh on Vettel) if the rules are applied and Alonso subsequently wins the Championship on an Appeal.

Bernie's in an awkward position, he loves both Vettel and Ferrari.  What *will* he do?

Quote from: TeaLeaf;362316An interesting one to watch and to my mind, it will be a much fairer outcome (if a little harsh on Vettel) if the rules are applied and Alonso subsequently wins the Championship on an Appeal.

Bernie's in an awkward position, he loves both Vettel and Ferrari.  What *will* he do?

Whenever there is an element of doubt Vettel gets away with it. With inter-team orders in the previous race I don't feel Vettel deserved to be world champion this time round. That should be the thing that is focused on. Yes he overtook under a yellow flag, but it was a Toro Roso so he'd have been let through on the corner anyway. Shouldn't that be more contentious than overtaking?

Team orders I'm ok with. There's strategy there, just like with the days of refuelling where they'd put drivers on different fuel loads to maximise the TEAMs chances, what I don't like is if you own two teams your chances of your driver being world champion shoot up. Imagine if Sauber started letting Alonso through mid season. I'm sure there would be quite a bit of fuss.

Looks like theres nothing gonna happen -

QuoteSky Sports News ‏@SkySportsNews
F1's ruling body: Red Bull have no case to answer over Sebastian Vettel's passing of Jean-Eric Vergne in Brazil. All the details on #SSN

That's a disappoiting statement seeing as the rules are clearly defined.   I wonder how they so quickly dismissed the situation?

Reading the bbc link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20541589

It appears that there was a marshall waving a green flag before the green light, so Vettel would have passed the flag-waving green before over-taking.    I've rewatched the video a couple of times now and tbh at that screen resolution I can't see the flag-waver, but I guess he was there.

Quote from: bbc.co.ukThe situation is complicated because the track-side warning lights and flags and Vettel's dashboard display appear to have contradicted each other.
Three-time world champion Vettel pulls off the pass on lap four of the race before he reaches a green flashing light indicating that the yellow caution zone - in which overtaking is not allowed - has ended.
And his dashboard display shows the yellow-flag warning sign throughout.
However, on-board videos of the incident appear to show a marshal waving a green flag on the inside of the track.
It has emerged that incident was not investigated during the race because a green flag was being waved at a marshals' post after Turn Three. Vettel only began his move after passing that flag.

QuoteHowever, on-board videos of the incident appear to show a marshal waving a green flag on the inside of the track.

I checked through the vid about 10 times looking for any sign of this mysterious marshal on the inside of turn 3 waving his green flag..... frame by frame i cant see anything. Also the speed of the pass seems to me like he was let past or Vergne didnt expect him to pass as they were under yellow

I think the ramifications are just too large for them to change the result... If it had been picked up and a drive thu given it could have changed the whole outcome we will never know

If anyone can spot that marshal let me know where cause I'm scratching may head. Maybe Shergar and that big pile of treasure from Sierra Madre was in the way :doh:

If the car has moved a nose ahead of another, he has at this point overtaken a competitor, and in this case he has not given the position back, but you have to remember why the yellow flag was there in the first place..If it's flashing yellow, is that the same as double yellow flags? and a solid yellow a single yellow flag? I think you have to show that you lifted off in that section, especially under double yellows

I think there would of been a case if an announcement was made that it was to be investigated during or after the race, otherwise, the result should stand IMO (On the bases that if a football match finished and then a decision was made days later that the goal didn't cross the line...)

new footage, apparently the in car footage had on screen gfx from f1tv, but the raw feed,......  when the film slows down look mid-top left screen at the structure ... marshall waving green flag, long b4 the overtake
best watched in full screen

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20561954

Yep that sort of closes the issue.