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Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: TeaLeaf on November 16, 2003, 04:39:51 PM

The AWP and Auto-Sniper is not allowed on any of the dMw servers. Circumventing the buy restrictions will lead to a kick/ban. - Dr Sadako

___________ The old AWP/Auto-Sniper Rule Below ______________

This is an area of great contention, so here is the way that the Dead Men Walking community currently views the use of the AWM sniper rifle and the Auto-Sniper.

You should not use the AWM or the Auto-Sniper when it will significantly hinder gameplay.

Background, Reasoning & Definition of "significantly hinder gameplay":

It is generally accepted within the CS community that the programmers have still got it wrong with the AWM. Compared to other sniper rifles available the AWM is still far too powerful within the CS physics model. Since the one of the December 2003 updates for Steam was issued, the Auto-Sniper is now also way too powerful and complained about widely within the CS community.
TCS is primarily about tactical, team & objective-based CS. But it is also about ensuring good gameplay - this is why when you join the server you will often see one side with a few more players than the other. It's not accidental, it has been done to try to even up 'win' potential for both teams on a map that is biased towards one team, or where a group of better players are all on the same team.
When you are on a map that has a bias (e.g. cs_siege), it is very easy for a single T to buy an AWM or Auto-Sniper and then control the entire game. This does not make for good gameplay. Put simply, the AWM or the Auto-Sniper with their mismatched physics model can ruin the game play on any number of maps.
The Dead Men Walking community caters for a wide range of player abilities. On the right team and on the right map, a talented player with an AWM or Auto-Sniper can extinguish all game play. This is enjoyable for the sniper, but not for anyone else.
The competition section of the Dead Men Walking clan regularly play in league matches (on average three times per week) and the AWM/Auto-Sniper is a weapon often used in these matches. It would therefore not be helpful to completely ban the AWM/Auto-Sniper on the server as it does stop the practice of a legitimate competition skill.
"So can I use the AWM/Auto-Sniper or not?" Currently the answer is Yes, but with some qualification: You should not use the AWM/Auto-Sniper when it will significantly hinder gameplay.
"What does that mean?" we hear you say. Well, the interpretation of this rule on the Dead Men Walking community servers has come to mean that nobody should use an AWM/Auto-Sniper where the winning team has a lead of less than 4 rounds. If a team has a 4 round or greater advantage, then the losing team COULD use the AWM/Auto-Sniper, BUT, very great thought should be given to whether this is the best way to rebalance the game.
Often, rebalancing the numbers on each team will have better game play results than just spending your dollar$ on an AWM/Auto-Sniper. But YOU are the one in that position and YOU need to make that decision yourself. If you abuse the discretion allowed to you on this server then an Admin will firstly comment politely, then warn you politely, then kick you, politely of course :wink:
For the sake of clarity, the above and all Dead Men Walking community members, whether it's your first visit to our community, a long-standing Member or an Admin, it still applies.

We hope the above helps somewhat.

The Admins

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: TeaLeaf on January 18, 2004, 10:11:33 PM

For a trial period until the end of January 2004, this rule has been updated to include the Auto-Sniper. The Admins are aware of members' concerns and will monitor the rule change and its effects. If it does not work well enough then we will re-assess matters and take appropriate further action.

TL.

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: Morbius on June 15, 2004, 04:19:23 PM

Being new to CS, I may just be biased against facing AWP or Auto-Sniper but may I suggest a guideline of percentage of opposing team kills. That, if you choose to use these weapons, be ready to drop the weapon from a round where you have reached the percentage kill rate...that rate based on percentage of opposing team members at the begining of the round.

-Morbius

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: Grimnar on June 15, 2004, 04:29:20 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Morbius@Jun 15 2004, 03:19 PM
Being new to CS, I may just be biased against facing AWP or Auto-Sniper but may I suggest a guideline of percentage of opposing team kills. That, if you choose to use these weapons, be ready to drop the weapon from a round where you have reached the percentage kill rate...that rate based on percentage of opposing team members at the begining of the round.

-Morbius

That will be very difficult.

Only the loosing team (if you are 4 rounds down) may use a awm or autosniper.

So you don't have to be scared to get shot by a awm everytime or that a player get all the kills with one of the two snipers.

But that is my opinion.

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on June 15, 2004, 05:08:20 PM

As Ice said that will be difficult to enforce. I think the rules we have currently are one of the fairest ways of doing it. They have been in place for a while now and work well for us.

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: DuVeL on June 15, 2004, 05:56:13 PM

I practiced my AWMing on the CS:CZserver, us against all bots. Is it then still allowed? :unsure:

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: OldBloke on June 15, 2004, 06:08:54 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by DuVeL@Jun 15 2004, 05:56 PM
I practiced my AWMing on the CS:CZserver, us against all bots. Is it then still allowed? :unsure:

As I've posted elsewhere ...

All community members should play in a TCS style on the CZ server. We want to show non-members how we play CS here at dMw in the hope that we pick up more like-minded players.

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: DuVeL on June 15, 2004, 11:22:51 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by OldBloke+Jun 15 2004, 05:08 PM-->

QUOTE (OldBloke @ Jun 15 2004, 05:08 PM)

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: JonnyAppleSeed on June 16, 2004, 07:41:46 AM

For me............Too be on the safe side

If humans are on the other side dont use it...If non dmw players/bots use them (impossible to stop) show them elightenment and shoot em with a pistol

:D ......AWP practice is good on the other 10,000 servers out there :D but not good at promoting TCS :dmw:

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: Doorman on June 16, 2004, 08:12:18 AM

Excuse me, I thought Homer was the public server that was being used to enlighten the world.(not that I ever see anyone on it) Or have I misunderstood? CZ ought to be played as the bots play it. Let it be free of 'can I go there?' and 'can I use this?' It's good to free of constraints once in a while. LET'S KICK ASS! :)

Title: Amw
Post by: WhiteWolf on May 11, 2007, 06:52:09 AM

I think that AMW should be allowed to 1 per team, but Autosnip I don't like so much becouse it's too powerfull to this kind of game where we are running around in a wery little area. And if the game gets too ruff, the ADMIN could just deny the AWP. As u all know we have to follow the rules in dMw maps or get kicked:roflmao:
And if not in Boomer, I think it should be allowed in MeatHook where there are playing only clanmembers:D

PS: Sorry about my language:D I'm not so perfect in english, but I hope u guys understand me:)

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: WhiteWolf on May 11, 2007, 06:55:44 AM

Quote from: DuVeL;56064As I've posted elsewhere ...

All community members should play in a TCS style on the CZ server. We want to show non-members how we play CS here at dMw in the hope that we pick up more like-minded players. [/b]

Alll dMw fellas with Red switching to CT side and he's the only one there and the rest of the T's fellas are dMw. I dropped my AWM after a little commend of Red (Comment was: You're trying the sniperrifles?, or something like that). I was tho but drpoed it after the question. Still: :unsure:[/QUOTE]

Sorry but what is CZ server??:lmfao:

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: DuVeL on May 11, 2007, 07:11:30 AM

Dude, why are you posting here, one of the last comments was from 2004 :lmfao:.
For the rest: CZ= Counterstrike Condition Zero. We've played it way back but now play Counterstrike Source.
Stop reviving old threads please!

Also, I haven't seen Dan, a.k.a. Red on the server for quit a bit.
Lirze, you better stop reviving old threads please.

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: Gone_Away on May 11, 2007, 10:11:22 AM

Ya what he said.. stop reviving these old threads or.. :)

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: Doorman on May 11, 2007, 01:25:25 PM

Why jump down the guy's throat? He's obviously tried to search the forum for an appropriate thread and post in that.
This thread, a sticky, is about sniper rifles isn't it? :angry:

Apart from that, tervetuloa Lirze.

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: DuVeL on May 11, 2007, 01:30:51 PM

Actually Ron, this another thread he revived recently so don't jump down my throat please.
I've helped him out allready quit a bit here on the forum.:flirty:

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: Bk on May 11, 2007, 01:31:24 PM

Quote from: DuVeL;188835Also, I haven't seen Dan, a.k.a. Red on the server for quit a bit.

I was wondering who he meant by that, I didn't know people called dan Red. :rolleyes:
Anyways, ain't that bad reviving this thread, as it's a sticky anyways. Even though I'm not really sure what he's talking about :lmfao:

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: DuVeL on May 11, 2007, 01:37:16 PM

Quote from: =|B Â° K|=;188912I was wondering who he meant by that, I didn't know people called dan Red. :rolleyes:
Anyways, ain't that bad reviving this thread, as it's a sticky anyways. Even though I'm not really sure what he's talking about :lmfao:

I don't think you know this player BK:
Red Thunder, http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=98

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: Doorman on May 11, 2007, 02:42:55 PM

Quote from: DuVeL;188911....this another thread he revived recently...

How do you revive a sticky?

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: Bk on May 11, 2007, 03:38:38 PM

Quote from: DuVeL;188914I don't think you know this player BK:
Red Thunder, http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=98

Doh. :doh:
At least I got an excuse for my ignorance:

QuoteLast Activity: 13th November 2006

Dan is just such a common name. :rolleyes:

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: DuVeL on May 11, 2007, 08:17:29 PM

Quote from: Doorman;188936How do you revive a sticky?

By replying to every old post once made and probably not even finding the servers and such we currently play on...:eyebrow:

I do like to help out new guys but come on...

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: Penfold on May 12, 2007, 10:18:36 AM

chill out matey..........

I can recommend Coffee Shop 36 Vermostraat, Amsterdam and some Purple Haze if you need help :flirty:

lol

PEN

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: DuVeL on May 12, 2007, 09:04:04 PM

Helping people out isn't apreciated anymore, where's that haze...

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: Dr Sadako on May 10, 2008, 08:32:05 PM

First post updated to reflect current rules.

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: T-Bag on May 10, 2008, 10:05:50 PM

The rule shouldn't have needed stating so clearly, I don't know anyone wearing tags who was in doubt about the use of these weapons. But it's good to have the rules updated every now and again to align in writing with how we play.

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: faust82 on September 24, 2012, 08:27:53 PM

With the all new CS:GO and updated models, is this rule still in effect?

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: TeaLeaf on September 24, 2012, 09:39:08 PM

As you rightly pointed out in the other thread Faust, the rules are somewhat out of date and circular in some cases due to the evolution of the rules over time and with different iterations of the CS game. The general rule is, no more than 1 awm per team, try to avoid using an awm when you have an advantage (e.g. your side is leading by 2 rounds or more), etc. Basically try to keep the game competitive and not do things that make it boring as heck for others.

Title: AWM Sniper Rifle & Auto-Sniper Rifle
Post by: Tutonic on September 25, 2012, 12:50:01 AM

Common sense rule: if you're smashing the other team out of sight, you don't need to buy an AWM.

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