Ops group layout for Tommorow night, apologies for delay, if anyone cant make it due to lateness of post this is completely understood.
TONIGHT RAID WILL BE AT KARAGGA's PALACE, PLEASE WATCH VIDEO's
Imhotep
Lurek
HealersTenilia
Psykoo
DPSVladic
Varg
DarkAngel
Sheepy
Same Rules as always : Come with Stims, medpacks and Tactics.
Why two tanks on 8 man btw? It's not needed, and we could have more dps to kill stuff.
and why isnt imho rotated? hes been in every run so far... just wondering
Edited team make up due to absence of Dandelion, and Varg i take 2 just incase one dies as u saw with Krek'la on SOA last week, he picked him up and if we had been lucky we wuda gotten his shield down again
also its better to have one well geared tank and one not so well geared as even though its a gear boost essentiall we can gear up the 2nd one
i cant get much better gear untill we start hardmode OPs now.
Understood it will be discussed, i would like you to come however to see all the fights if thats cool with you? plus we are going to a new raid no one has seen
I'm not fussed if i got rotated but i have shown interest from beginning to do karaggas :/, plus i suppose it's better to let main tanks such as me and you lurek to get a feel of the other OP to for when HM comes around and we get....a set group.
No offence to krek on that one :)
After seeing the fights on vids, I will be surprised if we don't clear this in one night. I still think the extra dps you get out of having just the one tank would be worth it, but in the end it is up to the OP leader. Having two lets you gear up the 2nd tank for when we do go hard mode, which is really what we are itching to have a go at. Normal mode OPs are just elevator music while you wait for everyone to get to the right gear level.
Quote from: Tanales;343975and why isnt imho rotated? hes been in every run so far... just wondering
I am not speaking for Council / raid leader / Higher persons than me, sooooooo
1) Imhotep/sindri is one of the move active members, at least when I'm on
2) Most other current tanks are showing signs of wanting to take other roles (dps/heals)
3) AFAIK you're not in charge, or related to someone who is
4) AFAIK you're not in charge, or related to someone who is
I thought the last point was important so I said it twice.
Perspective: DMW WoW RGT was where I spent over a year as a tank.
During that time, the following bullet points are true, assuming all people are available:
With a raid progress boss (IE, group not killed @ level required) 2 coucil tanks took part, the sole exception when class mechanics dictated my class is the "chosen" tank.
(The exception being when 1 tank was away for a bit during a learning phase of the boss he was voluntarily relegated to last in the pecking order)
With a non progress boss, tanks were rotated with preference Whitey->Halbarard->TwistedDeath(me!) when loot needs were not even. Now it gets complicated as Whitey and Hal are normally available 3 days per week where I am only 2.
It gets more interesting as often Hal was taken into a DPS role and I was benched, although the reverse is also true to an almost even marginn.
It gets reaaaaally interesting when I state I don't have a problem with this *most* of the time (DISCALIMER: I do when Whitey wants the HEROIC head, Hal wants the normal shield and I just want a class token [ I leave it to the reader to work out which bosses I'm talking about ]
Taking that all into account, here are the now bullet points
* I've been available as healer for 3 weeks, been selected once
* Grats you've been selected twice in three
* You're complaining about this?
Vladic choice as Op leader is for this Weeks run is warranted. As it is a new Op not the Entirty Vault The Dark Council gets to see the rota before hand so we can see it all being fair and ask questions.
We are happy with the rota for this week.
The Dark Council
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Well this isnt WoW DMW RGT as far as i know.
I might not be online as much as imho but im online as much as i can.
If there is a decision im not happy/agreeing with i will question it.
And at the time i asked the question another tank was on the list and he hadnt been seen online for two weeks.
Why don't you both just drop your pants and get it over with?
Really, we have way more tanks then we can bring at the moment, and we always need spares of any role. Leave it up to the ones taking the time to actually lead these groups to sort the rotations. It will never be 100% fair, that just isn't doable, nor practical.
And for what it's worth, Tan puts in a hell of a lot of effort to gear up and be ready for content. I rarely notice the other tanks, but then I don't know them as well as I know Tan. For others it may be the other way around.
Now let's all hold hands and be friends again, and let the grown ups deal with the drama stuff <3
Quote from: Sindri;344004I'm not fussed if i got rotated but i have shown interest from beginning to do karaggas :/, plus i suppose it's better to let main tanks such as me and you lurek to get a feel of the other OP to for when HM comes around and we get....a set group.
No offence to krek on that one :)
Oh it hurts so much! xD
Everything aside, it would've been nice if I could go in as a DPS, but then again, tonight the 3D Star Wars is in cinemas, so I'm gonna see epic battle of Qui-Gon and Maul!
Quote from: Krek'la;344031Oh it hurts so much! xD
Everything aside, it would've been nice if I could go in as a DPS, but then again, tonight the 3D Star Wars is in cinemas, so I'm gonna see epic battle of Qui-Gon and Maul!
On that note, it would be much more usefull if we had the second tank specced as dps while gearing up in normal modes. If the tanks gear up with dps gear from FP HMs, and rotate on who has tank spec. They would still grab tank gear from OPs, but wouldn't limit dps of the group by being tank spec/gear "dpsing".
That is a whole other discussion though, and enjoy the worst SW movie ever in 3D btw ;)
Whilst I would agree Varg, the reason I take 2 tanks such as last weeks EV is for 3 reasons:
1: The tank gets to tank the Trash and Certain bosses, for Example Krek'la Tanked the 1st boss of EV and also the 5th for a time, had she been in DPS spec this wouldnt have been viable.
2: if the main tank dies, the Offtank should be 2nd on the Agro tables or be able to pick the boss up isntantly as was seen on the 5th boss when Imho was crushed by the pyramid, had we had sufficient DPS alive still the boss would have died with Offtank Tanking.
3: If the main tank should have to leave suddenly due to net connection or RL issues (has happened before with RGW) and the offtank is in DPS spec, we would have to wait for said Offtank to port out of the instance, change spec, put all points back and get tank kit from bank which would delay the OP for around 20/30min which since we raid for such a short time period wud be a killer.
On the subject of HM, if everyone is doing them to aquire colomni gear (the normal OP's equipment) and gathers sufficient other purple armour/weapons, the progression from Normals to hards will progress much faster.
Vladic
PS: Krek ure evening is gna suck ...messa jar jar binks!!!! :roflmao:
Your points are valid, Vladic, and I respect why it is done. Just noting that it is not really needed in a perfect world, and we would have less issues with enrage timers if we didn't do this. I suspect many of our most dedicated players are starting to get over geared for normal modes already making my concerns invalid as long as we keep at normal modes. For hard modes my point stands firm though ;)
On that note, I think we should have a seperate thread where we look into who wants to push hard modes, two ops nights etc. and who just wants to see content with a casual 1 day a week schedule. As we have discussed already, if you try to combine these two player "types" into one group, neither will be happy. I'll leave it up to ops leaders and council to make an appropriate thread with polls and thoughts on this matter though. I think we have derailed this topic far enough, and I am probably the one most responsible for that :flirty:
Hmm seems to me the old sith code is ture then.....
Peace is a Lie:P
Quote from: Krek'la;344031Oh it hurts so much! xD
Everything aside, it would've been nice if I could go in as a DPS, but then again, tonight the 3D Star Wars is in cinemas, so I'm gonna see epic battle of Qui-Gon and Maul!
Lucky krek, got to wait another week to see it :(. On another note can i point out 2 tanks are pretty much required for both OPS.
EV - Pylons. Gharj adds
Karragas (from what i have seen) - The Twin bounty hunter bosses.
Even if it were possible for normal to do it without 2 tanks somehow, HM and nightmare will need 2 in definite, having 2 tanks also allows for more than just 1 tank to get gear when 2 can get geared up at the same time. Sure it might be a bit slower minus 1 dps but in the long term it's beneficial.
Quote from: Sindri;344048Lucky krek, got to wait another week to see it :(. On another note can i point out 2 tanks are pretty much required for both OPS.
EV - Pylons. Gharj adds
Karragas (from what i have seen) - The Twin bounty hunter bosses.
Even if it were possible for normal to do it without 2 tanks somehow, HM and nightmare will need 2 in definite, having 2 tanks also allows for more than just 1 tank to get gear when 2 can get geared up at the same time. Sure it might be a bit slower minus 1 dps but in the long term it's beneficial.
Adds on pylon are not immune to stun, cc, knock back, knock down etc. they don't
need to be tanked.
The healer bounty hunter in Karragas hits like a girl, and does not
need a tank.
But as I said, I see the benefit.
Quote from: Vargen;344049Adds on pylon are not immune to stun, cc, knock back, knock down etc. they don't need to be tanked.
The healer bounty hunter in Karragas hits like a girl, and does not need a tank.
But as I said, I see the benefit.
The Acklays need tanked, when they come in 2's and 3's that is.
Quote from: Sindri;344050The Acklays need tanked, when they come in 2's and 3's that is.
I would agree with you, but then we would both be wrong :flirty:
Guys Me and the Dark council are discussing Hardmodes, 2nd Op's days all that jazz, just give us some time :) and the acklays really do need tanking for pylons due to hittin like a truck lol
Out of random curiosity (since i can't find appropriate thread and all) how do i put a signature on my comments? can't find it under profile etc :/
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ah alright cool :)