OP's runs Starts at at 19:30 GMT please make sure to be there 10mins before start time.
Please make sure that you have done the following:
1. Be on TeamSpeak
2. Have a good selection of Stims
3. Have some Medpacks
The Team for this week will be
Tanks
Lurek
Krek'la
Healers
Tenilia
Twysted
DPS
Vladic
Sheepy
DarkAngel
Varg
If you cant make let us know please post on here Absence Thread (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?34884-Absence-Thread)
where to?
Quote from: Tanales;344477where to?
Op's EV.
Sheepy are you going to be there?
I should be there if not will let you know by tomorrow
I should be there, last week had a family emergency which ment i didnt have time to post a message before jumping in my car to drive accross the country after work! Things are still very hectic and stuff but should be around thuis thurs
no worries sheepy real life comes first.
Thanks DA
Sent from your computer.
I just need to get to farming repair money. I haven't been able to play since last OP! Shouldn't be too many deaths in EV though.
If you need repair money, do the space missions each day get around 100k
Quote from: vladic;344517If you need repair money, do the space missions each day get around 100k
Yep, that should let me repair twice ><
Dont die and dont get hit so much surely thats the answer?? :) :D :P
Quote from: vladic;344517If you need repair money, do the space missions each day get around 100k
200K+ per day for ilum and belsavis dailys, 2 hours at most mabye less if your fast, best way to farm creds :)
Guys based on Gear etc Ive decided to move the OP to Kragga's Palace, due to progression needing to be completed
VLadic
Quote from: vladic;344573Guys based on Gear etc Ive decided to move the OP to Kragga's Palace, due to progression needing to be completed
VLadic
Quote Tobi.
Vladic I think we should stick with what we have advertised as people are expecting that for tonight, and based on the information recently about need of information with enough time. Changing it this late in the day I feel is a little wrong.
aw read the first few words there and got my hopes up for HM OPs :(
They are coming mate, dont worry.
The Dark Council
Hopefully Once we have Cleared Kragga's (as we shud see it in normal mode first anyway) I will be given go ahead and setup rules for starting Hardmodes either next or week after if we lucky :)
Quote from: vladic;344596Hopefully Once we have Cleared Kragga's (as we shud see it in normal mode first anyway) I will be given go ahead and setup rules for starting Hardmodes either next or week after if we lucky :)
Here's hoping cause i don't rly need to do EV or KP until hm/nightmare now as i have columi (bar braces) don't get me wrong they are fun but i'm geared up :/
We understand that mate we really do but some are not in the same position. But hard mode is coming.
The Dark Council
Sent from your computer.
would like a chance to see kraggas before u do hm's to be honest
Quote from: BrotherTobious;344605We understand that mate we really do but some are not in the same position. But hard mode is coming.
Some are not in the same position granted.
However, some have also cleared EV and Kragga normal. What do you suggest this group of people do? Wait patiently? We've already shed a few members due to a lack of direction.
Quote from: Twisted;344615Some are not in the same position granted.
However, some have also cleared EV and Kragga normal. What do you suggest this group of people do? Wait patiently? We've already shed a few members due to a lack of direction.
I'm not sure about lack of direction, isn't it about having the right number of correctly geared players? Are there eight geared members all looking for hardmode? If so great and I'm sure we'll be on it next week. However I thought we only hit KP tonight for the first time?
And Sneaky there's a fair number of us almost at Lv 50 and we'll all be looking to ru both Ops in normal mode pretty soon. :)
Quote from: smilodon;344616I'm not sure about lack of direction, isn't it about having the right number of correctly geared players?
It has been said by the Dark Council "Hard Modes are coming".
The lack of direction is basically - when? What is the magic criteria needed?
Or is this the point where you have your hand mysteriously and incant "this isn't the hardmode you're looking for" ;)
QuoteAre there eight geared members all looking for hardmode? If so great and I'm sure we'll be on it next week. However I thought we only hit KP tonight for the first time?
We have done 4 full OP nights. Night one, partial EV clear, night two full EV clear. Night three, partial KP clear, Night four full KP clear.
On night four, we have also taken down 1 hard mode boss in EV and taken a 2nd to near enough dammit in one go.
I personally have only been involved in nights two and four (pesky rotation, I know).
As to gearing, hard mode flashpoints drop the same stuff as normal mode ops do, which means the gear we are all using isn't that hard to actually get.
So yes, there are at least eight if not more members looking for hardmode ops :)
I can understand if this comes as a shock as only one council member thus far has been involved with ops (hi KKND)
But as you say, this is indeed great and I'm sure we'll be running hardmodes next week :taz:
Quote from: smilodon;344616I'm not sure about lack of direction, isn't it about having the right number of correctly geared players? Are there eight geared members all looking for hardmode? If so great and I'm sure we'll be on it next week. However I thought we only hit KP tonight for the first time?
And Sneaky there's a fair number of us almost at Lv 50 and we'll all be looking to ru both Ops in normal mode pretty soon. :)
Hey smilo, we have actually had 11 or so people ready and geared for hardmodes for several weeks now, and I have made toby aware of this before your council was formed, now warrented I did want to do KP on normal first anyway to see the fight mechanics before extra stuff is added in, however now that they have been complete and the bulk of people are now in Colomni (Normal OP's tier equipment) I cant fairly ask them to wait Weeks/Months whilst new members become active or existing ones return off there holidays or School work etc.
As to both OP's running Normal, I would like to point out I wasnt Informed of this development or plan at all, otherwise id have msot likely deeply opposed it, One group is completely ready for Progression and it wouldnt be fair to make them run normal op's for several More weeks or longer just to gear several individuals who may or may not get the loot they need (OP's loot system is random as hell).
Vladic
Just to have my input :), as i previously said I am full columi and do not need normal anymore. I'm not the only one, i know a full group that has well over half of their gear columi if not full (bar perhaps 1 piece or 2 at most). On this note please be aware, we are all paying subscribers to the actual game itself and the thought of paying for another 30 days (4 weeks) without touching on a hard mode doesn't excite me in the slightest. Yeah, i am levelling an alt, yeah i'm doing republic but my main character is still my jug and he is my main priority as far as TOR is concerned. Now i know i'm going to be digging up a dead horse but 2 groups are going to be needed for the foreseeable future of runs. What I will say though, if a second group is not fully ready yet then what I would be willing to do along with anyone else who wishes to partake (if I or those people have time) is use the 2nd ops day (whenever it is decided after that vote..a week ago?) to run the normal version (normal/hard and nightmare lockouts) are seperate as far as i know, if people are wanting to get geared for the hm's. As far as things go however pvp varies in balance, some nights it favours empire, other republic so i cannot do that all the time with my jug while i wait for ops. Lastly, there are HM flashpoints to do while I wait for more content but what use are they to me apart from helping guildies and gaining some creds for crafting or other?. And @ Smilodon, KP was ran twice as well as EV. On my finishing note, set groups will have to come at some point whether they are being avoided or not i don't know as i am in the outer circle of info but it would be nice to kept updated by someone on what and when these things are happening, if they are being discussed. :)
I think the important thing to remember every one is that this is a mature gaming community and we want to make sure as many people as possible get to see end game stuff where at all possible and this will include the help of those assisting those who are not as good at MMO's as others.
Sindri that is an interesting point about if you do a hard mode run of an OP does it lock you out from a normal one.
Sorry Vladic and Sindri, must be me trying to type on a mobile phone and not making myself at all clear. I wouldn't presume to make a decision about raiding. While I am an Admin I'm not fully involved in planning raids etc. I've tried to stay out of that area at least until I'm raiding myself and have some experience of them. Till then I'm deferring to the other admins and Vladic. Especially as I am not yet level 50. I'm doing more on the social and forum management side at the moment. I assumed your main group was still working through the two OP's and gearing up for hard mode. Clearly I'm not up to speed with what level of gear is needed to raid hard mode and how easy or difficult it is to get it. If people are ready to move on then personally (speaking as a player and not an admin) I think we shouldn't be holding anything back and I'm glad you and Toby have it in hand. As long as everyone ready and able to raid hard mode gets a chance it's all good. Which clearly is what is happening and sorry for not being fully aware of how far you're moving on.
My point was that I hope no one thinks that if they're not in this first group that they have missed the boat. I know we're planning on running a second group and in fact as many groups as we need to let everyone see the end game content. Sorry if my earlier post wasn't clear.
Most people that have been in an ops run so far are fully geared from normal mode operations, the ones that have only been to 1 or 2 runs might be slightly behind if they haven't gotten many Flashpoint hardmodes in as well. Full Columni gear is the recommended minimum for Nightmare mode and some of our members are close to this( many have full columni with crafted BoP Rakata Gear ).
Based on health levels in operations I am guessing that most people are far over the requirements to do hardmodes and we could possibly jump straight to nightmare modes at the moment.
Recommended minimum stats for entering operations is 13000 health and 1200 main stat fully buffed, this can be reach with 1-3 HM runs when you reach level 50 or doing dailies for a week. ( numbers are for healers and DPS, Melee DPS might want more health and diffrent tank types need diffrent amounts of stats )
I haven't found any recommended minimum stats for starting Hardmodes but I would guess 15000 health and 1400 main stat should be about right.
My own gear is at about 17500 health and 1650 main stat with full buffs and I am about the average of the operation runners when it comes to gear level, In addition I haven't gotten any noteworthy upgrades in the last 2 runs except for the drop from HM Annihlator yesterday, that upgraded my gloves to Rakata and that freed mods up to upgrade my Chest piece. Of the items I am using at the moment only 1 has actually dropped in normal mode Operations ( and 1 is made from a schematic dropped from an op ), rest comes from HM FPs, PvP or Tionese Commendations. The chance of me getting an upgrade from normal operations is decent in EV and small in Karagga's, but in every case it would be replacing loot that drops or is equivelent to operations loot. And every piece that is an upgrade I could get easier in HM Flashpoints. I have 11 Pieces of loot that came from operations or HM FP in my bags or on my companion ( more if I count off-class drops I have gotten on greed rolls in FP ).
Unlike Sindri, I don't have an alt that I am leveling and have no interest in doing so at the moment, though I will at some point. I barely play any more because I don't need anything except from hardmodes. I have no problem with helping other players gear up but I don't want to waste my money and time paying for a game where I am not doing anything I "need" to do.
As for seperate lockouts, there are 2 lockouts for each operation, 1 normal and 1 hard/NM mode. It should be no problem running both HM and normal in seperate evening though I am not as keen on using the second raid day for it seeing as the point of having 2 raid days is that 1 isn't enough to clear content. I would much prefer it if a second group had diffrent op days if they need more people from the first operation seeing as that would not take away from days for progressing from the first group. I have no problem doing runs 3-4 times a week as long as I am not every week running in the second group as well, and I assume many of the current op runners can say the same. Of course the harder part is finding days that fit peoples schedule.
It would not surprise me if we cleared EV hardmode on the first run, not as sure about Karagga's considering the 4th boss where we might need to refine our strategy a little. Only thing that is a huge diffrence in HM EV is requirement for simultaneous activations on Ancient Pylons.
I think if the next run is HM (more than likely by judging everything) we may need to start sorting a 'set' kind of group between those who still need columi and those who are onto HM for Rakata, not trying to be harsh in any way here :) but as i previously mentioned we are all paying players and waiting and extra 2 weeks for player X to get their gear is not tempting when we can easily have another ops night for norm or a 2nd group soon. I also say set for synergy reasons as some people work better with others and so on.
I agree, there is a lot to be said for keeping a group together, especially one that is working to clear the harder SW:TOR content. We don't have to make it a rule...... I hate rules :) but it seems sensible to try to keep groups consistent.
Toby is away for a few days so it's slowed the decision making process a bit and I don't want to speak out of turn but I think that HM runs are now a reality for the 1st group. We can also start putting the 2nd group together as I think we're almost there now with numbers, plus I selfishly want to grab a spot at the raiding table myself :devil:
Hardmodes/nightmare modes will require a set roster sadly due to gear/skill/synergy requirements as they will require a well oiled group also the bosses gain new abilities per difficulty so having the same people everyweek will make the fight go faster (with obvously minor rotations for the 2 reserve people who would have to watch videos) and an easier learning curve as long as research is done by the reserve members, should a member who is in full gear (assuming we ahvnt reached nightmare yet) wishes to join hardmode we should possibly do it through a trial basis like the RGT system from WoW, although setting a member cap would also be a good idea as rotating 15+ people takes an excessive amount of time
I thunk you should decide on the limit as you have the experience of raids that I certainly don't. Whatever number allows people in a group to raid often but is still enough to cover people being away with RL stuff would be the target. Hopefully if we can get two groups running at a similar level then we can borrow reserves from one group to fill missing slots in the other. It also means we can run 16 slots OP's.
I think Smilodon has a good point here if you have your set group to say 10 and you only have 2 healers and one or 2 cant make it then the run wont be able to go ahead with out recruting players from other areas. It would be a shame that the hard mode group then got the healers from the second group to go and so by stopping the other 6 or 7 players in the second group from raiding. Need to think carefully that it benifits both groups and possibly what nights both groups raid on.
For example if you had need of a healer on the Thursday and take one from the second group and the second group raids on a Friday and were not doing normals to lock the Friday run that would work well.
There's pluses and minuses to raiding on different nights, worth a discussion. Also I would not suggest the first group can demand players from the second. I hope that in time the two groups (and any more we might make) will not be ranked in any way. If one group is short and the other has a player on reserve who can fill that role they should be able to swap groups for a night and help out. I agree with Gortex that it would be wrong for a group to take a player that stopped the other group from raiding that night.
Also bear that the current group is going to star hardmodes so the 2nd group members would be behind in terms of experience and equipment so until they are in colomni at minimum they wouldnt be usable as reserves for the Hard/nightmaremodes, also the current members for hardmodes are embmers who are currently free every thursday with a reserve tank and DPS already selected.
Until more are ready those reserves will have to suffice :)
Quote from: Gortex;344784I think Smilodon has a good point here if you have your set group to say 10 and you only have 2 healers and one or 2 cant make it then the run wont be able to go ahead with out recruting players from other areas. It would be a shame that the hard mode group then got the healers from the second group to go and so by stopping the other 6 or 7 players in the second group from raiding. Need to think carefully that it benifits both groups and possibly what nights both groups raid on.
For example if you had need of a healer on the Thursday and take one from the second group and the second group raids on a Friday and were not doing normals to lock the Friday run that would work well.
Normal and Hard/Nightmare have separate lockouts. You can do both, though I see little point in doing normal at all if you have done some hard mode flashpoints after you dinged.
Quote from: Vargen;344800I see little point in doing normal at all if you have done some hard mode flashpoints after you dinged.
The only point to do this is for achievements, as doing an FP for the first time in hard mode does not grant any normal mode ones - if you're an achievement have to do both.