Poll
Question:
Grant Grim Reaper Bravo membership?
Option 1:
votes: 0
Hi i'm not sure if I need a reference to join bravo if so ill get my headmaster to email you! thanks allot
Grim Reaper
AKA Paul
I smiled - OB :)
Now this chap I do know. And he gets my vote. Good bloke on the servers but not much of a poster on the forums. Still gets my vote
:withstupid:
You know how some people annoy you for no good reason you can think of? Well he's one of those to me. Sorry, not very constructive perhaps I should have kept that to myself. :(
I am not sure about Grim either. He hasn't been on for a while. He just returned lately. When he came back he was a bit annoying on the server. Talking loudly of voice comm and I almost muted him. It could have been that he missed being here but still.
The other day at Rio he was just scouting from the left roof towards hossie house. Nothing else ... except when he ran out of money ... he echoed to buy ... a scout. <_<
I gave him a null vote. You guys decide.
the times i have played with him he seems very reluctant to follow the team always just wants to scout and do his own thing
he finds it hard to follow a team leader imo
maybe if he can keep his voice comms down a bit and sart to work as a team player then in the future there could be a place for him but as he his now i voted no
I haven't seen him behave like that at all. However, if that is what is being observed then, to me, he has shot himself in the foot. Shame because the times I have been on hies team he has been good.
Ah well, eyes in the back of the head and all that ;)
I have voted Yes for the following reasons:
1) He is polite and non disruptive and has basically learned to play CS with us on the Hook. I recall him saying when he first joined that it was his first time playing CS. From the start he was a nice guy, if a little young, and was receptive to advice and criticism.
2) He doesn't play as much as he used to but I think that is a combination of exams and other things youngsters have to do that interrupts CS. I always note why people have not been around on the servers when they next pop up and his reason is always a good one.
3) He only recently got a decent headset and mic and has said in the past he would not join a clan until he had voice comms. If he has been annoying he likely needs a few pointers and to get a chance to train with more experience players.
4) He is a decent team player (sorry Squonk I disagree with you) although is better as a sniper (but agree with that point). I do not recall him consistantly not following orders or being part of the team, and I do recall him backing me up and helping the team out.
5) I like him.
If he is to be given an invite to join then I belive he will be very pleased and put effort into developing his teamplay and other weapon and communication skills. I for one will help him.
QuoteOriginally posted by albert@Nov 18 2003, 12:21 PM
If he is to be given an invite to join then I belive he will be very pleased and put effort into developing his teamplay and other weapon and communication skills. I for one will help him.
Well, I think this is something one should now prior to becoming Bravo. However, we have similar scouters in our clan all ready so one more will probably not make much difference. :P ;)
A Bravo member in my eyes should be a good example for other players to follow. Right now I am not sure Grim is there yet. I still stand by my null vote as I wasn't certain that he deserved a no ... or a yes for that matter.
QuoteOriginally posted by Doorman@Nov 18 2003, 12:09 AM
You know how some people annoy you for no good reason you can think of? Well he's one of those to me. Sorry, not very constructive perhaps I should have kept that to myself. :(
I don't think you need to keep it to yourself. it is how you feel about him which is neither right not wrong; it is simply your feelings. I think this forum is a suitable place for people to be open and honest and feeling that they can speak freely without ridicule.
In short, it is good to see somebody exercising their right to speak freely :)
I,m with Albert on the issue of Grim Reaper.
To my knowledge he as never caused any bother.
He may be slightly annoying at times on voice coms but I,m sure we all have been from time to time.
Maybe one of the clan elders could drop Grim a private message and reinforce in a polite way what is expected of him on the TCS servers and maybe tell him that his progress is being watched and I,m sure he would respond.
Not being privvy to any of the decisions and alterations to clan structure and ideals maybe this is what we should say to every applicant.
As for scouting RIO is a snipers paradise if your a CT and there plenty of players on the map.
SLoWHaND
Just a thought, based on a point Albert made. Is his "loudness" on voice comms due to the fact that he has only recently got his decent headset mike combo. If he used to have one where he needed to shout a bit then it will be a while before he adapts.
Alternatively, i could have completely missed the point but I still like throwing these ideas up in the air to see how they come down :)
I have just put myself solidly and unequivically on the fence. Null vote from me.
QuoteI have just put myself solidly and unequivically on the fence. Null vote from me.
me 2 :rolleyes:
not seen him on the server .....do u think he works on the oposite shift to me ?
QuoteOriginally posted by JonnyAppleSeed@Nov 18 2003, 06:55 PM
not seen him on the server .....do u think he works on the oposite shift to me ?
doesn't everybody?
I havnt noticed him tbh i remember seeing him on the server but thats it...sorry, fence, sit, watching,.....keeping my eye on you crafty lot.
I played with grim the last two nights and I must say I am more convinced now to change my null vote to a NO.
QuoteOriginally posted by albert+Nov 18 2003, 12:21 PM-->
| QUOTE (albert @ Nov 18 2003, 12:21 PM) |
I have voted Yes for the following reasons:
1) He is polite and non disruptive and has basically learned to play CS with us on the Hook. I recall him saying when he first joined that it was his first time playing CS. From the start he was a nice guy, if a little young, and was receptive to advice and criticism.
[/b]QuoteOriginally posted by SLoWHaND@Nov 18 2003, 07:32 PM
As for scouting RIO is a snipers paradise if your a CT and there plenty of players on the map.
Sure, but if a rush is called he should be rushing not sniping alone. If the call is pick them off I am all with it.
Italy last night (and Rio the night before). Call for rushes were made as CT on 4-5 rounds. Grim were never in on any of these. Found him at tunnel sniping every round we rushed. I told him that he needed to go with the team.
QuoteOriginally posted by albert@Nov 18 2003, 12:21 PM
3) He only recently got a decent headset and mic and has said in the past he would not join a clan until he had voice comms. If he has been annoying he likely needs a few pointers and to get a chance to train with more experience players.
He is still very annoying over voicecomm. I had to tell him to stop talking several times last night.
Just to let you know that TL and I are working on the follow-up process for these polls.
Anyone who gets a 'No' vote will be advised on what they need to improve before bothering to reapply.
I'm confused. Grim got 6 votes to 2 in favour and yet he's not in the clan?
Could I ask what is the point of voting at all if it's goung to be ignored?
Or am I missing something.
Also could someone define the role of a TCS Admin as I'm confused as to exactly what the duties etc are.
QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon+Nov 23 2003, 06:06 PM--> | QUOTE (smilodon @ Nov 23 2003, 06:06 PM) | I'm confused. Grim got 6 votes to 2 in favour and yet he's not in the clan?
Could I ask what is the point of voting at all if it's goung to be ignored?
Or am I missing something.
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Well, if you compare with the other guys who got in they had like 12-0 in their voting. 6-2 is not a clear yes to me. We had 4-5 null votes that I interpret as maybe and maybe is closer to no than yes. Also there were a lot of dicussion regarding his way of playing and I think that OB and TL did the right choice. GR can always reapply when he has improved his gameplay. I think that it is important that we have a hard judging of the applicants as it only strengthens our community by allowing the right elements to be part of the community. We have to have a shiny badge if you catch my drift.
QuoteOriginally posted by Sadako+Nov 23 2003, 05:31 PM--> | QUOTE (Sadako @ Nov 23 2003, 05:31 PM) |
QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon@Nov 23 2003, 05:06 PM
I'm confused. Grim got 6 votes to 2 in favour and yet he's not in the clan?
Could I ask what is the point of voting at all if it's goung to be ignored?
Or am I missing something.
Also could someone define the role of a TCS Admin as I'm confused as to exactly what the duties etc are. I tend to agree with Simodon 6 - 2 is 75% of the vote in favour. A null vote is exactly that, discounted, you don't have a revote in an election if the winning party get 75% of the vote a and a load of others fail to cast a vote. If all it takes is one person to not take a shine to someone therefore stopping their chances of becoming a member of Bravo, then it is a bit Elitest in my opinion. If you cast a Null vote, that tells me you don't know the person well enough to judge their suitability. Casting a Null vote because you don't care either way is a bit pointless and the voters loss if cast. So back to Grim, 6 votes for 2 against, 150 null votes that don't count. Sorry but I think we have this process wrong, and it is definately not democratic.
i think its fair to say that putting a null vote due to not knowing the player flags up a concern .......and when a number of admin type people say the same i would say he needs to be on the server a bit more :unsure:
QuoteOriginally posted by JonnyAppleSeed@Nov 24 2003, 05:50 PM
i think its fair to say that putting a null vote due to not knowing the player flags up a concern .......and when a number of admin type people say the same i would say he needs to be on the server a bit more :unsure: Exactly.
As GRIM been informed yet ??
Will we be informed of the content of the reply ??
Will it be a standard reply or a personalised one ??
SLoWHaND
QuoteOriginally posted by SLoWHaND@Nov 24 2003, 06:45 PM
As GRIM been informed yet ??
Will we be informed of the content of the reply ??
Will it be a standard reply or a personalised one ??
SLoWHaND Grim has had a personalised reply. What TL and I will do is precis the negative comments made and inform the recipient accordingly. In the case of Grim this was my wording: QuoteHi Grim
I'm sorry to tell you that you have narrowly failed to gain membership of our Bravo Company.
The admins felt that you were let down by your teamplay.
What we'd like you to do is re-apply in two months time and in the meantime work on the following:
Concentrate on what the rest of your team are trying to achieve and be part of that plan rather than being a lone figure often sporting a sniper rifle. Pay particular attention to the play being called. You are often missing when a 'rush' call is in effect. Use your voicecomms wisely.
We hope you are not too disappointed with this decision and look forward to seeing you on the server again soon.
dMw Admins
QuoteOriginally posted by SLoWHaND+Nov 24 2003, 07:45 PM--> | QUOTE (SLoWHaND @ Nov 24 2003, 07:45 PM) | As GRIM been informed yet ??
Will we be informed of the content of the reply ??
Will it be a standard reply or a personalised one ??
SLoWHaND[/b]
Each reply is personalised telling the applicant why he/she wasn't approved.
QuoteOriginally posted by Sadako+Nov 24 2003, 06:52 PM--> | QUOTE (Sadako @ Nov 24 2003, 06:52 PM) | |
As we have now revised the voting criteria it is only fair to go back to Grim and offer Bravo membership to him. I have sent him an email to this effect this evening.
TL.
Good man :thumbsup:
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