So it looks like the 10% nerf is coming in, in next weeks maintenance (29/02/12)
aaaaaand ofcourse we are gonna use it. we need more nerfs lts crank it up to 100% and take away allllllll the challenge
The challenge is getting it done before any nerfs are available imo. Not utilizing it when it is, would just be cutting ourselves in the foot, missing out on gear and such.
Quote from: Azunai;345092The challenge is getting it done before any nerfs are available imo. Not utilizing it when it is, would just be cutting ourselves in the foot, missing out on gear and such.
You mean shooting ourselves in the foot? Never heard 'cutting' :P Silly Dutch.
Yep Az is correct. Our stated aim as a guild has always been to defeat encounters *before* they get nerfed. Our hard work in Dragon Soul has rewarded us with a clearance on Normal mode and several Heroic kills before the nerfs hit, so we have done well - and well above average in progression terms.
Miicroid, I know you're against nerfs, but the bottom line is that they are there and part of the game. Our challenge should always be to see just how far we can get before the nerfs get patched in. Beyond that then we know we're on the slippery slope towards the end of the expansion and have a limited time to complete the rest of the content.
As for the challenge, I think you'll agree that with almost 100 wipes on a nerfed HC Zon'ozz and multiple early wipes on HC Hagara that the challenge is absolutely still there!
And to add to that, its not the healthpool that or dmg from the boss thats been stopping us from killing bosses. It has always been someting a boss does, a mechanic and this is not nerfed at all.
So this will only shave off a few 1 / 2 / 3% wipes and quicker clear on farm bosses :)
Im not botherd at all ^^
Quote from: Jesung;345101You mean shooting ourselves in the foot? Never heard 'cutting' :P Silly Dutch.
The Dutch is cutting yourself in the fingers. So this is a hybrid :-P
also wanna point out that theres only 5 weeks between the nerfs whit this rate MOP should come out in late may or else they are really gonna nerf DS to a point that all bosses will be like free kills.
and yes teal its part of the game at least this time they did it right. the progressive nerfing is alot better than one single big nerf. and also now we can turn it off. like ragnaross in FL i personally never killed HC rag. and now that has been taken away forever. =( even if the nerfed one is still hard. i cant even try the original. this should not be so. DS nerfs has been done right.
No way that MoP is going to come out late may. Beta hasn't even started yet :-) September-ish I say, if not later. But the nerfs will stop at 30% if I'm not mistaken, like ICC, and they will come each month like Blizz announced beforehand ;-)
Quote from: Azunai;345185No way that MoP is going to come out late may. Beta hasn't even started yet :-) September-ish I say, if not later. But the nerfs will stop at 30% if I'm not mistaken, like ICC, and they will come each month like Blizz announced beforehand ;-)
I say July/August but that is wishful thinking. I think Blizz want to avoid another ICC where it was a year of it. And this time it would be even worse as there won't be anything else after DS like Ruby Sanctum.
at 30% nerf i can solo DS. if they really go that low im gonna start drinking beer!!!
Quote from: microid;345214at 30% nerf i can solo DS. if they really go that low im gonna start drinking beer!!!
I thought we all did that during raids anyway :P
By that time we'll be done anyway methinks. Although I'm not sure what increments they'll go by. Anyway, the nerf will have the same effect as the T11/12 one in the end, it just gets applied over time.
Quote from: Azunai;345223By that time we'll be done anyway methinks. Although I'm not sure what increments they'll go by. Anyway, the nerf will have the same effect as the T11/12 one in the end, it just gets applied over time.
Yeh, Torgen speaks the truth. Blizz will probably use this way in the future aswell. As they now well in advance are saying "We will nerf over time", the "Omg, nerf eazymode qq!??" complaint threads on forums will drop radically.
Personally, I don't care too much about the nerf, I'm more concerned with drop rates of specific class items. Ignoring Miicro (because he is new and still gearing) and Incendia (because he is here less than most of us hence gets fewer drops), the worst geared in RGT are:
i396 Puja
i396 Teaell
i395 Jesung
i394 Amberleigh
i393 Tessy
Unsurprisingly 4 of those 5 belong to the "Paladin/Warlock/Priest" token group. Blizz, cummon man, fix the damn drop rates. :angry:
Everyone else is 397-402, with both melee dps at 401. Smokin!
Quote from: TeaLeaf;345251Personally, I don't care too much about the nerf, I'm more concerned with drop rates of specific class items. Ignoring Miicro (because he is new and still gearing) and Incendia (because he is here less than most of us hence gets fewer drops), the worst geared in RGT are:
i396 Puja
i396 Teaell
i395 Jesung
i394 Amberleigh
i393 Tessy
Unsurprisingly 4 of those 5 belong to the "Paladin/Warlock/Priest" token group. Blizz, cummon man, fix the damn drop rates. :angry:
Everyone else is 397-402, with both melee dps at 401. Smokin!
I for one have been extremely unlucky with drops. Trinket only ever dropped once since we started DS (I still have a Firelands normal), ring (Firelands HC) only ever dropped once, staff never dropped (Main hand from DW, off hand from Firelands normal).
Forget about any HC loot from HC DS. :(
Quote from: TeaLeaf;345251Personally, I don't care too much about the nerf, I'm more concerned with drop rates of specific class items. Ignoring Miicro (because he is new and still gearing) and Incendia (because he is here less than most of us hence gets fewer drops), the worst geared in RGT are:
i396 Puja
i396 Teaell
i395 Jesung
i394 Amberleigh
i393 Tessy
Unsurprisingly 4 of those 5 belong to the "Paladin/Warlock/Priest" token group. Blizz, cummon man, fix the damn drop rates. :angry:
Everyone else is 397-402, with both melee dps at 401. Smokin!
My comment would be that i have started with very low gear level when i joined you starting DS (ilvl 359), whereas you guys started at 385-390 in DS.
It seems we should spread out the classes more so we can use more of the other tokens :-)
stupid nerfs 20% next reset =(
And they are stupid because?
because you are stupid aswell
I do wonder why when people start to improve through both gear and fight experience they bother.
Because they want more people to see the content. Of course you could say that they've already seen the content and they just want to experience killing the content on a higher difficulty level. Which begs the question, if you lower the difficulty so more people can experience it, won't they still have not experienced it because the difficulty is now lower?
Nah, I think it's mainly for the gear ;-)
Quote from: Arcticfire;349537because you are stupid aswell
ok.....
i see why blizzard is doing it. but i think theres a limit how much you should nerf the raids. when the bosses starts to be free kills?
seeing we are still on 6/8 heroic.. i guess its not enough :)
Really most of the fights for us so far have not been a matter of DPS or too much damage taken, but of proper execution of mechanics. Although I do see how it'll help us get past that hurdle of P2->P3 on Spine (and make the burn easier), most of the other fights are more a matter of proper execution of tactics than of a DPS/Health/Damage block.
have to agree. the nefs are not mandatory to our progression.
what does it matter anyway? the nerfs are here no point in moaning everytime they get implemented.
QuoteOnce scheduled server maintenance is completed during the week of July 17, the "Power of the Aspects (http://www.wowdb.com/spells/109256-power-of-the-aspects)" spell will grow more powerful, reducing the health and damage dealt of all enemies in the Dragon Soul raid by 30%. This spell has grown progressively stronger over time to reduce difficulty and make the encounters more accessible. The spell will affect both normal and Heroic difficulties. It will not affect the Raid Finder difficulty.
How low will it go :P
Quote from: JonnyAppleSeed;354637How low will it go :P
Limbo level
Quote from: JonnyAppleSeed;354637How low will it go :P
I think I remember a blue saying a while ago that they were going to go to 30% and that would be the maximum. Kinda makes sense as that is how much they nerfed BoT, BWD, TotFW and Firelands.