C'mon fellas, a major sporting event and nobody watching?
England tonight, but frankly what a show so far. Yes, footballers are diving pansies, but the Italy Spain game was superb. Russia and a little known Pavelychnko looks like a great player (Spurs should sign him). Corluka getting skinned (Spurs should sign him) yesterday by the Irish who were unfortunate but deserved to get beat. Even the opening cermenony and the pianist who then tried to juggle, catch it on his neck and spin it on his finger, miserably failing all 3 on live TV (Spurs should sign him)
Where's Holland (come on Duv/King), your boys were a lot of peoples dark horses, turns out you're rubbish! Let's see if the French unbeaten run can continue against a rigid and defensive England side. Hold them off for 45 mins then bring on Wilshere and Walcott to realise the potential that everyone talks about. My money? 1-1...
After we lost from Denmark i dont think we dutchy's want to talk about the Euro cup anymore :P
Holland was pants the first match. Wednesday vs Germany, hopefully we'll beat them!
Looking forward to the England game tonight.
Im still watching, but then again im from denmark ;)
Reverse-mockers time:
Looking forward to seeing France put 5 past us tonight.
I've only caught a couple of games (Rugby was on nearly all day on Saturday), but they've been good. Spain vs Italy was a belter.
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For every goal France put past us tonight, I'm going to sneak into your bedroom and insert a piece of fruit where the sun doesn't shine. I may peel some of them first, I'm not entirely unreasonable.
1.Grape
2.Satsuma (peeled)
3.Banana
4.Watermelon (peeled)
5.Coconut
6.Pineapple
7.Ian Beales Fruit and Veg Stall.
I'm looking forward to number 4, it's a logistical nightmare, but I'm pretty sure I can do it.
Quote from: PaddingIm still watching, but then again im from denmark ;)
[/COLOR]Suprise package, I can't wait until you bring on Sandy Toksvig as a novelty striker. That or one of the Laudrup's out of retirement. (God knows the Dutchies need to bring Koeman and co out of retirement).
Pants. Same old, same old.
My reverse-mockers spared us a beating.
You're welcome.
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Do you prefer seeded or seedless grapes Tut?
Come on oldie this is England. It's your birth right to support then become disappointed and declare you'll never watch again...hangover football.
Quote from: Benny;352652Do you prefer seeded or seedless grapes Tut?
Come on oldie this is England. It's your birth right to support then become disappointed and declare you'll never watch again...hangover football.
I'm a Spurs supporter. I've known disappointment intimately.
I simply cannot accept this utter inability to pass the ball to someone wearing the same colour shirt ... or to not plant a corner kick directly on to the head of the 1st defender in line or, worse, floated elegantly into the waiting keeper's hands. Sheesh :doh:
Quote from: OldBloke;352662I'm a Spurs supporter. I've known disappointment intimately.
I simply cannot accept this utter inability to pass the ball to someone wearing the same colour shirt ... or to not plant a corner kick directly on to the head of the 1st defender in line or, worse, floated elegantly into the waiting keeper's hands. Sheesh :doh:
You can thank the FA for that, because:
1) They're about 30 years behind the rest of the world in terms of youth coaching and
2) In 1992 they handed over the keys to English football to a bunch of businessmen who couldn't give a toss about the national team
Which results in players like Steven Gerrard who are lauded as 'World Class' by the tabloids despite an inability to do the basics properly (control the ball, pass it accurately).
I reckon Roy's going to do a decent job considering the caliber of players at his disposal, he seems to have already made England tough to beat - a good start, but not enough to win anything.
Who cares.
It's a crap game played by crap self-important players who have some crap supporters who really need to get with the times (though, thankfully, not *ours* for a change).
It's good to see they have 'testicle-biting' dogs (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/326259) on hand - if nothing else they'll be used to be being near a**holes.
Quote from: Penfold;352677Who cares.
It's a crap game played by crap self-important players who have some crap supporters who really need to get with the times (though, thankfully, not *ours* for a change).
It's good to see they have 'testicle-biting' dogs (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/326259) on hand - if nothing else they'll be used to be being near a**holes.
Sigh.
If you don't care, why are you posting?
Quote from: Tutonic;352679Sigh.
If you don't care, why are you posting?
1). Because Benny asked a question and it would be churlish not to respond.
2). As it's so tempting to wind you up :devil2:
Seriously though, I do watch Internationals and was historically a Charlton Athletic supporter (mainly because we had links there).
The fan thing I, along with many others I'm sure, find increasingly frustrating. Why is it only football that has these problems? Yes, I appreciate that it's caused by a tiny proportion but even so it's been like this for ever and it's about time everyone faced up to (especially FIFA and Mr B.)
I have lost track the number of times when I've sat in Twickenham watching Internationals game and joking with the Springbok or whoever supporters sitting around us. It's always good natured and friendly and light-hearted banter.
Quote from: hubbah;352604After we lost from Denmark i dont think we dutchy's want to talk about the Euro cup anymore :P
Im so sorry to rub it in ;)
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Tho gotta admit, was quite surprised that we won that round, tho not a big football fan myself
Where's Alan Shearer, Paul Ince, Tony Adams and that other chap?
It's been kicking off in Poland, fans from Russia and Poland causing riots :(
Quote from: Snokio;352733Where's Alan Shearer, Paul Ince, Tony Adams and that other chap?
It's been kicking off in Poland, fans from Russia and Poland causing riots :(
If I may refer the honourable gentleman to my first post (satis veborum).
Breathe in.....
So, the fighting yesterday was entirely related to football. UEFA basically applied no common sense and scheduled the matches around the Russian national holiday. Thankfully the media were all forewarned so they could record such debauchery for our viewing disgust and we can all agree football is a disgrace.
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UEFA and football has nothing to do with the violence yesterday. By making themselves accountable for what was a political situation UEFA are making a mistake. The march of the Russians through Warsaw was sanctioned and arranged, 6000? police prepared and ready to go. What is clear is that there was a minority of far right individuals, masked and ready to start trouble. Within the stadiums fans have been mixing with no issues, as they did last night. The extremist behaiviour outside the stadiums is not a football problem but is being associated to the teams. The media hype it and make it worse.
What's equally annoying is that if it was England fans, which it isn't, UEFA and the world would be asking us to withdraw and ban ourselves from leaving England again. Corruption and mentalities in football are atrocious.
In addition I'll support the fact that the footballers are whining pansies and the game has bordered on farce for a while, but...
Watching a match and seeing a moment of team brilliance or individual skill is a joy to behold. Messi, Maradonna, Gazza, Waddle, all putting smiles on faces for more than their fair share of airtime. When I you get a minute, watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBzkYnD5bTQ)and don't smile. Pavs goal, Shevchenko(sp?) turning it on at 36ish. Joy and pain of losing. We hate watching England because we are watching a child fail despite the ability to succeed. We are seeing potential and witnessing failure. Football unifies because we can all get a ball and play in the park. No other sport does that.
Opening statement complete, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I put it to you that no other sport drives such passion and argument, because no other sport can capture a nation in such a way.
Apart from Kabaddi.
/case rests.
Quote from: Benny;352777What's equally annoying is that if it was England fans, which it isn't, UEFA and the world would be asking us to withdraw and ban ourselves from leaving England again. Corruption and mentalities in football are atrocious.
sad but true.
I don't know zip about Polish-Russuan relations. I didn't even realise there was much bad blood nor, indeed, over what.
Quote from: Benny;352777Watching a match and seeing a moment of team brilliance or individual skill is a joy to behold. Messi, Maradonna, Gazza, Waddle, all putting smiles on faces for more than their fair share of airtime. When I you get a minute, watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBzkYnD5bTQ)and don't smile. Pavs goal, Shevchenko(sp?) turning it on at 36ish. Joy and pain of losing. We hate watching England because we are watching a child fail despite the ability to succeed. We are seeing potential and witnessing failure. Football unifies because we can all get a ball and play in the park. No other sport does that.
Right link?
Quote from: Benny;352777Opening statement complete, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I put it to you that no other sport drives such passion and argument, because no other sport can capture a nation in such a way. Apart from Kabaddi.
Kabaddi - hah yes, and Beach volleyball also comes close in my book.
While I agree with (almost) everything you say, I have to take exception to...
QuoteI put it to you that no other sport drives such passion and argument, because no other sport can capture a nation in such a way.
Having been to New Zealand, I can safely say that nothing even comes
close to the obsession that Rugby Union generates in that country. I imagine cricket in India probably comes pretty close too.
I should have said civilised world.
/bait.
Quote from: Tutonic;352783While I agree with (almost) everything you say, I have to take exception to...
Having been to New Zealand, I can safely say that nothing even comes close to the obsession that Rugby Union generates in that country. I imagine cricket in India probably comes pretty close too.
Also in the states, they love their baseball and American Football
Quote from: Benny;352785I should have said civilised world.
/bait.
oh, I then retract my previous statement
Baseball, handcatchball and basketball...all need special equipment.
I like all 3, but they all suck for the sake of my thread. :)
The last adjective that comes to mind when discussing football is civilised......
This is a gross generalisation but a long time ago I was at a friends BBQ and there were two conversations in progress related to sport. In one a group of guys were discussing football. They talked about how rubbish the English team was, how this player should never have been included, how that manager was a moron for not playing a certain formation, how the referee was blind in a certain game and that this penalty or that penalty should/should not have been given. It then moved on to national football and there then proceeded a flow of banter about how rubbish one team was even though it was about third in the country at that time? The conversation was generally negative and mainly about how a group of obviously completely unqualified men at a BBQ could manage a professional football team better than the professional mangers employed to do so. A little arrogant I thought.
The other conversation was about Formula One. This group discussed recent races, the genius of drivers like Senna, Mansell etc. the excitement of the races and the general awe in which they held the drivers, designers and mechanics that made up F1 teams. There was an obvious real love of the sport and joy in watching the races. While they all hoped Mansell would win the championship (he did that year 1992) they still felt it a privilege to watch Senna, Patrese, Schumacher etc. These sports fans obviously loved racing first and any specific driver or team second.
And that sort of summed it up for me about football. For a sport that's is supposed to be loved by millions it's amazing how it seems able to create such aggression, conflict, lack of respect for the truly talented and general negativity. Yes as mentioned this is a generalisation and obviously not everyone has this attitude to the game but it seems to permeate TV commentary and analysis, the press and most every pub conversation I've overheard.
I don't really understand why football doesn't command the same respect amongst its fans for the game and reverence for those who excel in it, as most other sports do?
So, err, back to the actual football...
Ze Germans are the team to beat. Discuss.
The teutonic machine looks like it's going to get better and better, you have to admire them. From a distance.
To Smilo's point I think the reason is because anyone can pick up a ball and kick it. I played 5-a-side last night, was in goal for a stint and pulled off a tremendous tip around the post. I let 3 others in including 1 nutmeg, but for that moment I was Gordon Banks and am therefore qualified to comment. I also nutmeg'd their keeper at one point, so I am now Gascoigne in his prime. It's an accessible sport and therefore the opinion swells.
We are negative by nature, Henman and Murray, Olympics - we don't want them, bah humbug etc. Football is glorious when played right and I for one love it. Am I negative, hell yes, because I know that in my 1 second of glory I'll get the nutmeg and goal.....yes, the footballers are exceptional atheletes compared to my pasty and lucozade from Memsbury services, but there but for the grace of god go I....or something.
I don't think there's been a bad game in the Euro's yet, Portugal last night was superb. Roll on Friday where I can get into England, start believing and then have my hopes dashed and comment on how crap Milner really is.
Who appointed Roy, it should have been Harry, football causes death and riots, Freddie Starr ater my hamster. Blanket shut down of bad news, that's what I say.
Ironically, Harry is now free and on the market ....... I bet the FA are kicking themselves.
I'm a neutral but have some observations.
England should've done what the Welsh Rugby team did a few years back and had a clear-out of all the old players and introduced young talent.
Wales decided to set aside hopes of winning the next couple of tournaments and instead concentrate on building a new young team of experience youngsters.
Most of the Welsh team had 30 to 40 caps each going into last seasons 6 Nations yet were remarkably young to be so experienced.
I've enjoyed the games so far, but haven't seen a team that look weaker than England.
Oh, and Benny, a nutmeg is only a nutmeg if you shout "nutmeg" before you do it. Trufax
Friday night BF3 TS chat will be amusing if people join after several pints.
I'm not sure I agree with 'writing off' tournaments as being for development.
The southern hemisphere rugby teams don't know the meaning of the word - they set out to win every game, and I think that mentality gives them an edge. When they need to bring through young players, they do it gently and steadily - young guys are not just dropped in en mass, they pick them alongside established guys who have lots of caps. Examples: Dan Carter playing inside Andrew Mehrtens.
This is what the England football teams ought to be doing, bringing in a youngster like Tom Cleverly or Jack Wilshere and playing them alongside a Gerrard or a Lampard to help them develop into a international class player.
Like Oxlade, Young and Chamberlain? I'm inclined to agree. I hate losing which is why, if I recall correctly*, I've never lost to you at Fifa. Ever.
Blunt, I thought 'Nuts!' was acceptable?
*my recollection(|) is solid.
(|) - I've got the Carpenters, Steely Dan and Mike Oldfield
"Nuts!" is OK
Quote from: Benny;352823The teutonic machine looks like it's going to get better and better, you have to admire them. From a distance.
To Smilo's point I think the reason is because anyone can pick up a ball and kick it. I played 5-a-side last night, was in goal for a stint and pulled off a tremendous tip around the post. I let 3 others in including 1 nutmeg, but for that moment I was Gordon Banks and am therefore qualified to comment. I also nutmeg'd their keeper at one point, so I am now Gascoigne in his prime. It's an accessible sport and therefore the opinion swells.
We are negative by nature, Henman and Murray, Olympics - we don't want them, bah humbug etc. Football is glorious when played right and I for one love it. Am I negative, hell yes, because I know that in my 1 second of glory I'll get the nutmeg and goal.....yes, the footballers are exceptional atheletes compared to my pasty and lucozade from Memsbury services, but there but for the grace of god go I....or something.
I don't think there's been a bad game in the Euro's yet, Portugal last night was superb. Roll on Friday where I can get into England, start believing and then have my hopes dashed and comment on how crap Milner really is.
Who appointed Roy, it should have been Harry, football causes death and riots, Freddie Starr ater my hamster. Blanket shut down of bad news, that's what I say.
Your word science is wise, good points.
Quote from: Blunt;352826Oh, and Benny, a nutmeg is only a nutmeg if you shout "nutmeg" before you do it. Trufax
totally agree, I believe its "Megs" then "hehe", although in my experience after doing this the 7 ft 18st centre back that you had just megged is flying at you with two feet with a 'im gonna kill you' look on his face, i tend not to do this now. its amazing how much that 1 word really annoys some players, im one of them......
After watching Spain, I think they will probably win it, I know it was against a non performing Ireland, but still stunning to watch all the same.
Quote from: Snokio;352870After watching Spain, I think they will probably win it, I know it was against a non performing Ireland, but still stunning to watch all the same.
Spain were good to watch, but I wonder what they'd be like against Germany?
It's between those 2 I reckon
(be happy to be proved wrong)
The Siesta Monkeys against the Hun? Where's your jingoistic, national, wife beating, vest wearing, lager spilling, prone to violence, aggressive, pride fellas?
C'mon England!!!
Tonight we dine on underrated vegetable! Remember Graham Taylor versus Sweden?
My name is Steven Gerrard, commander of the Armies of England, General of the midfield contingent, loyal servant to the true emperor, Roy Hodgson. Father to a poor Liverpool team, husband to an attractive wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
Three weeks from now, I will be harvesting my crops. Imagine where you will be, and it will be so. Hold the line! Stay with me! If you find yourself alone, riding in the green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled. For you are in Krakow, and you're already a winner!
Quote from: Benny;352890The Siesta Monkeys against the Hun? Where's your jingoistic, national, wife beating, vest wearing, lager spilling, prone to violence, aggressive, pride fellas?
C'mon England!!!
Tonight we dine on underrated vegetable! Remember Graham Taylor versus Sweden?
My name is Steven Gerrard, commander of the Armies of England, General of the midfield contingent, loyal servant to the true emperor, Roy Hodgson. Father to a poor Liverpool team, husband to an attractive wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
Three weeks from now, I will be harvesting my crops. Imagine where you will be, and it will be so. Hold the line! Stay with me! If you find yourself alone, riding in the green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled. For you are in Krakow, and you're already a winner!
Brought a tear to my eye.
Ulrika Jonsson! Bjorn Borg! Dolf Lundgren! Sven-Goran Eriksson! ABBA! Your boys are going to get one hell of a beating!
A peek into the future?
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What a game!
What a hangover!
must admit that I was agreeing with the commentator when we were 2-1 down when he said 'same old England, same old, same old' so it was good to see something different.
I'm not that interested in football normally but it was a fairly entertaining game, as one of our commentators said "it changed between hope and despair" grats on the win and hope you lose the next game :P
talk about edge of your seat football, it went glory to tragedy back to glory, OMG!!! why do england never make things easy.lol
Like that England showed guts and glory to see the Sweeden game out with a win.
We should have won by a bigger margain and defended better...I suspect it was a brilliant game for the neutrals but It was edge of your seat nail biting stuff...WE HAVE to improve or we're stuffed.
cracking game, thought we showed good spirit to come back and win it, havent seen us do that for a long time. Was inpressed with Welbeck even though we didnt see much of him in the first half.
The worrying thing is is when we go 1 nil up we start to go all over the shop, its panic mode stright away. Rather than playing as we were before the goal everyone just hits panic mode.
Thought defensively we were poor, we just need to be a bit more confident on the ball and be sensible. All in all a great win and am proud of the boys, nice to know we have rooney back though it could get interesting now
So, hangover is clearing. 4 pint jugs for a tenner mean my head was a little cloudy this morning. What a great game, when we scored the 3rd (what a goal by the way) all semblance of civilisation in the pub disappeared, every single pint glass was thrown skyward and everyone got a beer shower.
Interesting that there were some German chants, but really chuffed with the result. The dilemma now is who gets dropped for Rooney!
we went 1-0 up and sat back while Sweeden were there for the taking defensively we were poor (not just the defence but the team as a whole).
I thought England were bloody terrible, if they play like that against any half good team they'll get taken to pieces.
The 1 & only point in the game they looked like they knew what to do with that round thing was the move that ended with Welbecks goal.
Another performance like that & they could easily lose against Ukraine & that'll be the end of the tourney.
Poland and Russia are out, bit of a shock that one!
Phew, we really do like doing things the hard way.
Hats off to Hodgson for sending Walcott on - he saw that a change was needed and it worked, fair play.
We still have a tendancy to score and then sit back deep. Its a bad habit to have - we have to work harder to keep possession. How we are crying out for a Scholes/Wilshere in the middle of the park.
Caroll is pants. Once the Swedes got used to his height he offered nothing. Wellbeck should get the nod ahead of him for his movement and finishing, with Rooney playing in the hole behind.
I have a feeling we'll draw with the Ukraine and scrape through into the quarters.
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Holland are OUT 2 goals scored Who would of thought that with the likes of RVP & Co....
I said before tonight it will be Spain V Germany In the final *PUT YOUR mortgage it*
Quote from: Tutonic;353000Phew, we really do like doing things the hard way.
Hats off to Hodgson for sending Walcott on - he saw that a change was needed and it worked, fair play.
We still have a tendancy to score and then sit back deep. Its a bad habit to have - we have to work harder to keep possession. How we are crying out for a Scholes/Wilshere in the middle of the park.
Caroll is pants. Once the Swedes got used to his height he offered nothing. Wellbeck should get the nod ahead of him for his movement and finishing, with Rooney playing in the hole behind.
I have a feeling we'll draw with the Ukraine and scrape through into the quarters.
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Very good tactics by RH. I like him, he's a cultured, well educated man.
I don't see Carrol as pants; He's a big fella, something Eng lack up front since Lurch got dropped. He can be dangerous to defences and girlfriends alike (scummy thug that he is).
But I do agree Wellbeck should start.
Scholes is needed, but I'm afraid he's put his career ahead of country, and I applaud that, being a Reds fan.
With Shrek back v Ukraine, I see an England win by 2 goals.
When Ghosty said Holland and italy (or something) were out of the euro I thought he meant they had withdrawn from the European union and renounced the euro! XD
All this Euro zone crisis stuff is getting to me :(
Quote from: TE_owner;353023When Ghosty said Holland and italy (or something) were out of the euro I thought he meant they had withdrawn from the European union and renounced the euro! XD
All this Euro zone crisis stuff is getting to me :(
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Is it me or are they over hyping Rooney?! Hope he scores and all that but he ain't god like f&*^& sake! :ranting2:
we're not playing well tonight so far :(
The result is the most important thing but it is frustrating passing the ball backwards all the time
Quote from: Snokio;353191Is it me or are they over hyping Rooney?! Hope he scores and all that but he ain't god like f&*^& sake! :ranting2:
we're not playing well tonight so far :(
Just seen him feck up that header, mind you if I spent 30k on a hair do I wouldn't be putting it in the path of a muddy football either..........Tw~t
All forgiven...... we love you Wayne
England played really well tonight nothing speical, Got the job done & didnt buckle under pressure FIFA Get your finger out and use video tech.....it is 2012.
Lampard - over the line, goal disallowed, England out of the World cup. Sepp Blatter "nothing to see here, don't worry about it"
Terry - over the line, goal not seen, England benefit. Sepp Blatter "We definitely need goal line tech"
What a cock.
I don't understand why football at least at the premiership level does not encorporate goal line review. I guess it's painfully obvious when a goal is scored but in this case is turned the tide of the game and it could have made a huge difference.
The NHL has had the option for the the on-ice official to go "upstairs" whenever they felt they were not in a position to see the puck clear enough to make the call. It provides the consistancy required and avoids the English moaning that after all these years they've finally been vindicated.. *yawn*
The problem is that the rules for football are idiotic and cause alot of problems( I also maintain that this is the reason football is so popular since there is nothing a human being likes more then argue). The rule I am mentioning here specifically is that the clock is not stopped for delays, like every other team sport that features a clock. This makes it hard to decide how a video-review should be conducted since the play can't continue while the review is ongoing. Also the board of FIFA for some reason see the rules as something that has to be kept as close to the original as possible for some reason( except for the hand-ball rule, that can have a new paragraph every year apparantly ).
So, the theory is that if you bring in goal line technology it is the start of a slippery slope. In this instance if you had ruled for the goal there would have been uproar about the offside, so you then need video refs for the offsides. This begins to breaks up the flow.
If you say that we need technology for those match changing decisions (goal line and perhaps offsides) how far back do you then go? That throw in that led to the cross and goal, surely it's important you get that right. And the foul that led to the free kick. We don't want NFL, we do want consistency. The reason for the clamour is all money, there is so much at stake (promotion, relegation, tv rights, cups, sponsorship) that getting every little fact right is becoming financially important. Football will become stifled and yes we all moan about the wrong decisions, but Drazila is right, I want opinionated arguments and discussions, irrational defence of events purely because you're a Man U fan and I'm not. That is what it's about. We could all referee better than that guy in the middle, unti lit comes to it!
Isn't this all about the great fact that football is fallible and therefore creates discussion. Yes, we've been done on numerous occasions with dodgy decisions, but could we not focus on cheating. If post match it is established you dived/spat/headbutted, immediate 5 match ban. Job done.
As for the what if goals? I genuinely don't care :)
As for England on Sunday, I think we have a good chance. Rooney was in the right places at the right times, but looked a bit rusty, it will come. The side we have is solid, we have no less chance than anyone else to well here. Despite all the nay sayers, I think Parker has been immense and been the reason Gerrard can shine. Milner delivers, solid and consistent. Attacking wise we've rarely had the strength and variation. Rooney, Defoe, Wellbeck, Oxlade, Walcott and Carroll all bring something different. Jump on the England bandwagon, the view is great even if we all know there's a ditch full of cow sh** up ahead.
Should be a good game tonight.
I do think goal line tech would be good but as you say Benny,how far would you have to take it back too?! Plus it does give us all those "what ifs" and "do you remember" in the pub which what makes this game great.
We do have a good team,they seemed quite tired the other night and tend to sit back which is annoying but hai we are used to it :P
I think we will get to the semi's and all of a sudden every1 will come out of the woodwork to support England and then as you put it....theres a ditch full of cow sh*t up ahead :roflmao:
It really is quite simple, and Cricket/Rugby/EVERY OTHER SPORT seem to handle these things so much better than Football does.
If a 'contentious' goal is scored, the defending side is allowed to request a TMO (Television Match Official) review. The TMO is allowed to check 1) Was there an offside in the buildup to the goal, and 2) Was the ball over the line.
This would take no more than two minutes, and wouldn't effect the 'flow' of the game (as play has already stopped).
If a goal isn't given but the attacking side thinks it went over the line (or an offside decision was incorrect), they're also allowed to request a TMO review when the ball next goes out of play.
The referee is still in charge of the game, as fouls etc are still under his jurisdiction (no TMO reviews should ever be allowed for anything that is subjective).
There should also be a system where players can be cited after a match for simulation/diving. It makes Football looks ridiculous, and it should be stamped out from the game ASAP.
There you go, I've just fixed Football. You're welcome.
My prediction for tonight: Portugal 3 - 2 Czech Republic.
Nice thread so far . What better can u get than a team you can't stand lets just say Birmingham city at random. Playing the opposition off the pitch then in the last minute someone dives, get a highly dubious penalty and they lose. The fact that sometimes the best team loses or players get away with stuff adds to the fun IMO it's sport/entertainment. Good and bad stuff happens sith happens
So what happens when you find out afterward that the goal you just awarded after a review stems from a freekick that shouldn't have been given in the first place. Where do you draw the line? One touch before the goal, one passage of play, to the previous dead ball?
/contentious
Portugal 1-0 Czech Land - after extra time
It's not going to work exactly the same but in American Football each team gets three time outs, which are pretty crucial to use wisely. They can win or loose games. If a team wants a video replay for any event they can 'spend' a time out on it. This prevents a team from questioning every call made against them. they have to think carefully as a time out is a precious commodity. Now UK football doesn't have time outs so it's not going to work the same but it's conceivable that video playback could be demanded for goals, penalties and red card offences. What is harder to decide is what to substitute the time out with?
Call me intramuscular. (Well, I typed Nostradamus mut the spell checked version is cooler, so now I'm intramuscular)
Anyway, on the technology thing, the hesitation is anything that can't be replicated at grass roots is frowned upon. That's the beauty of it, football with jumpers for goal posts is the same as playing at Wembley...
Quote from: Benny;353313So what happens when you find out afterward that the goal you just awarded after a review stems from a freekick that shouldn't have been given in the first place. Where do you draw the line? One touch before the goal, one passage of play, to the previous dead ball?
/contentious
Portugal 1-0 Czech Land - after extra time
The free kick is outside the remit of the TMO, so it can't be considered. You limit it to offside calls (but only where a goal is scored/disallowed) and goal-line calls.
The standard is that only certain decisions are reviewable. For example you can review the spot of where a play finished in NFL, it doesn't matter if someone grabbed the face mask on that play or not since that isn't reviewable. Another example is that in the NBA you can only review if a play is flagrant or not, if the review shows that it shouldn't have been a foul at all, tough luck it is already called a foul. If video-review comes to football I am expecting that only 2 things will be reviewable, offside and if the ball was over the line or not. It doesn't matter if someone fouled or handballed before that, it wouldn't be reviewable. It might also be a very minor possibility that the referees will be able to review if it should be a yellow or red card.
The problem unfortunately is Blatter. Looking at his record of mismanagement, corruption, faux pas and straight forward ignorance I'm surprised both he and the governing body are still in existence.
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Quote from: Tutonic;353319The free kick is outside the remit of the TMO, so it can't be considered. You limit it to offside calls (but only where a goal is scored/disallowed) and goal-line calls.
I think it should be for goals only. If you impede the ref's outside of that then it destroys the flow of the game. It should only be when the ref can't see it properly for whatever reason. Otherwise you might as well send the ref's home and fill the pitch with cameras to capture the play from all angles..
For once, my Mighty Duck friend, I agree with you. Cold hard line in the sand. Goal or not. All other failings are there to make the sport fun :)
Anyway, roll on Sunday when England win and I take the title for 'Best and most engaging thread started in a long time, measured on response length and content'
Ben "dMw Post King" ninio
So glad you are keeping you feet on the ground mate,
Someone shared this at work and feel this is the best place to post it.
Made me laugh quite a bit and sooooo true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_K_FH9qUxw
Quote from: Gortex;353369Someone shared this at work and feel this is the best place to post it.
Made me laugh quite a bit and sooooo true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_K_FH9qUxw
Brilliant - that music had me in stitches. Quite pathetic really, when you see the hits dished out in other sports.
1-0 to Ze Germans tonight.
the football music was so good for the clips
careful sulky careful
Quote from: BrotherTobious;353378careful sulky careful
that wasnt the reply you were looking for
So I declare 'thread de la awesome' and you two jump in here with pithy one liners. Go on, get out, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
The Germans tonight, interesting game. They started well and look like they are getting stronger, but who would have put Greece through? I would have banked Russia after the first game. Greece seem to pull things together despite having no stars of any real international class (as generalisations go, that one's up there).
For every dive and pansy collapse there's some of these...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtn97Vkhypg&feature=related
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtn97Vkhypg&feature=related)
Sorry benny:vsorry::getmecoat:
This line is spoken by John Wayne and the exact quote reads, "Never apologize and never explain--it's a sign of weakness.".. so i aint doing what is called a toby ;-)
Sulky speaketh troth (I know, somewhat surprising :flirty:).
Whenever a mistake is made never write an apology or correction unless it's specifically advantageous or politically/legally necessary so to do.
All it does is to point out to the 98% of the people who missed it the first time round that you screwed something up!
well I dont mind being the bigger man and know when I am in the wrong in the view of the person and dont know enough of the subject to fight on. Tried to be part of it and failed :rolleyes: :( wont try again. :D
Girls, all of ya. Except those of you that are girls, in which case, err.....girls.
Germany looked very impressive once they got their tails up. Let's hope we meet them next round, bring on the Sun headlines now!
Quote from: Gortex;353369Someone shared this at work and feel this is the best place to post it.
Made me laugh quite a bit and sooooo true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_K_FH9qUxw
Meh........ Which is more popular and enjoyed more? :blink: lol good vid though
Germany looked very dangerous tonight although they wernt all that at the back. They are definatly beatable too many mistakes were made and that's against Greece, if we do meet them in the semi finals we just have to make sure we keep hold of the ball and stop them from counter attacking that's their main strength. Also they go all out in the first 20 mins which knackers them out so we need to press from the off
.... That is if we beat Italy.....
I thought Greece would be harder to beat than that - they were dire. Very hard to measure just how good Ze Germans are considering the quality of the opposition, but what we can glean from that game is that if you let them have 75% possession they will smash - quell surprise!
Portugal Spain anyone? :woot2:
Germany Spain.
Quote from: KKND;353467Germany Spain.
My bet from the start.
Spain were amazing for the 1st half tonight, but sat back on a 1-0 lead in the 2nd.
They looked vulnerable to attack for the whole of the 2nd half.
France were OK, but OK is not enough against Spain.
I hope that England win tomorrow, but I don't think they will.
Hodgeson is a great tactician and I've no doubt he will be targeting the Italian full backs, They are the dangerous ones IMHO.
Good Luck England, you'll need it!
There's something wrong with your keyboard Mr Bristol. I have taken the liberty of correcting your post below;
Quote from: Blunt;353473My bet from the start.
Spain were amazing for the 1st half tonight, but sat back on a 1-0 lead in the 2nd.
They looked vulnerable to attack for the whole of the 2nd half.
France were OK, but OK is not enough against Spain.
I know that England win tomorrow, but I don't think they will find it easy.
Hodgeson is a great tactician and I've no doubt he will be targeting the Italian full backs, They are the dangerous ones IMHO.
Good Luck England, you'll need it, as all successful teams do, but luck won't be the decider when Gerrard caps his performance with a 25 yard rasper!
I wish them luck, but as most realists accept it's a big ask. I think most people accept that in all likelihood it's going to be a Germany Spain final.
One nil to the Ingurlund tonight.
In Roy we trust.
First half we played well, mainly at the start, but second half we was rubbish, Italy deserved the win
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Sorry Snokes, but Italy were no better for 120 mins tonight.
at full time it was 0-0
so they won on penalties.
hard luck England rather than well done Itay IMHO
Deserve?! my 'rear of the year (southern counties, over 35's semi finalist)' ar5e.
Evens at best, early scares for both, the game ebbed and flowed and was a joy(ish) to watch.
Roy and his boys have done us proud and I won't be buying a paper tomorrow to avoid the absolute ******** they will undoubtedly peddle.
Yours truly
A happy England fan.
Well we was hanging on to dear life, when we had the ball, it was booted out rather than any passing play, Roy did do a good job
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What should've happened:
Roy Takes over.
Roy kicks out any player that won't be playing in 2014.
England goes out after tge groups with a blooded young team.
England reach the semi's in 2014
then it's up to the individuals
1st build a team
Quote from: Benny;353533Deserve?! my 'rear of the year (southern counties, over 35's semi finalist)' ar5e.
Evens at best, early scares for both, the game ebbed and flowed and was a joy(ish) to watch.
Roy and his boys have done us proud and I won't be buying a paper tomorrow to avoid the absolute ******** they will undoubtedly peddle.
Yours truly
A happy England fan.
And this is why I will never understand football. England draw a game, win two and then loose and our team did us proud? Aren't they supposed to win the tournament or at worst loose in a nail biting final in order to have done us proud? To the uneducated and ignorant (me) it looked like they failed to achieve anything much except just beating a team ranked 17th in the world and then again just beating a team that is ranked 52nd! We then get completely outplayed by Italy who had they lost on penalties could justifiably consider themselves robbed. Again I'm a complete football duffer so I await education. But does anyone thing we would have stood a chance in hell had we actually made it through and faced Germany or Spain?
Quote from: smilodon;353540.... But does anyone thing we would have stood a chance in hell had we actually made it through and faced Germany or Spain?
and that's the beauty of it....no, but I would have told myself we did! I'm happy because we didn't make excuses, expectations weren't great and everyone in the team, to a man put in a full shift. I could argue Rooney was short, but having met me you'll appreciate by cup is usually half empty so I'm trying this half full thing to see what it's like.
I don't think Italy deserved the win at the end of 90 minutes, but neither did we. I thought a draw was fair. Maybe instead of technology we need random scoring based on how far away you shoot from.
The English penalty shoot out Achilles heal is getting to be a bit ridiculous now, although I'm sure it's just some statistical anomaly rather than a terrible curse laid on our nation by some Euro witch doctor. As I've said I'm no expert but to me it looked like Italy attacked a lot and England managed to defend well and that was it. Italy had 18 shots on target compared to England's 4 which sort of sums up the whole game for me. England never looked like winners they just did a great job of defending against Italy.
The 1st half was ok, after that it was painful to watch.
English football just doesn't suit international tourneys, when Joe Hart had the most touches out of all the players that should tell you something & if atleast one player on the pitch can't work out that Pirlo is pretty good & maybe they shouldn't let him have the ball all night long, then, well.
The positive I take from this is it actually looks like the team has stopped believing they have some god given right to be in winners of everything & they can't play other teams of the park - England is a 2nd rate footballing country & untill kids are taught how to play it won't change.
Atleast going out to the Italians saved them from the mauling that Germany woulda given them.
I'll just be happy if my car doesn't get keyed! There's been a bit hostility towards the Italians near me :(
Quote from: Snokio;353617I'll just be happy if my car doesn't get keyed! There's been a bit hostility towards the Italians near me :(
What have the Italians done too you, you eat enough pizza right? :narnar:
Holy smoke Spain are good, & just to think, they used to be terrible in tournament football - between them & Barca it's the best football I've seen.
Quote from: Snokio;352870After watching Spain, I think they will probably win it, I know it was against a non performing Ireland, but still stunning to watch all the same.
Not a difficult prediction really :lol:
Mario Balotelli needs to grow up!
wish the spanish would feck off....can hear them blowing car horns and setting of fireworks from my house...im trying to sleep dammit
It was a good game for a neutral to watch.
Spain are sooo good! Imagine if Eng had to play them.
Hahahaha! I can imagine it would be a slaughter.
Viva Espania!
What happened with Balotteli? I turned the match off right at the final whistle & missed whatever he did.
he ran off the field.. pushing the trainer away :) what a boss :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZZGrHvgVDI
H (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZZGrHvgVDI)e got upset, wanted to hide. Can't fault that.
They did look a bit good, viva England!
he was the only player to leave straight away, didn't want to shake anyones hand either, he's still young, so still time to grow up
poor baby..
Quote from: RizZy;354021What happened with Balotteli? I turned the match off right at the final whistle & missed whatever he did.
He came back on, moped around with the rest of the team and collected his medal. There was a good shot f him walking down the steps after collecting his medal, he looked pretty miserable :)
Quote from: Jamoe;354090There was a good shot f him walking down the steps after collecting his medal, he looked pretty miserable :)
He must be part French, that would probably explain it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18719396
Looks good to me..
[h=2]"How does Hawk-Eye work?[/h]Hawk-Eye's system works by utilising six cameras per goal to track the ball
on the pitch.
The system's software then uses "triangulation" to pinpoint the exact
location of the football.
If the ball crosses the goal-line then an encrypted radio signal is sent to
the referee's wristwatch to indicate a goal has been scored.
In line with Fifa's requirements, the whole process takes less than a second
to complete."
Not sure I like the German system of sensors in balls. Needs a similar magnetic resonance sensing field in the goal itself and then the sensor in the ball itself. Also it seems counter-intuitive to put a sensor into something that you are going to repeatedly kick - that's a recipe for failure and seems to add cost to ball production needlessly. Let's hope Hawkeye gets the nod in the UK.
It can't be that difficult to come up with a simple system, or just use one that already exists.
I'm in favour of the Rugby method where the Ref asks for a judgement from an official with a TV replay.
It adds to the excitement waiting for the decision IMHO, and it only takes a minute.
While I'm on the subject, I'd like to see football adopt rugby's match clock too, and get rid of extra-time.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;354228...it seems counter-intuitive to put a sensor into something that you are going to repeatedly kick - ...
My dogs are chipped ;)
Quote from: Blunt;354229It can't be that difficult to come up with a simple system, or just use one that already exists.
I'm in favour of the Rugby method where the Ref asks for a judgement from an official with a TV replay.
It adds to the excitement waiting for the decision IMHO, and it only takes a minute.
While I'm on the subject, I'd like to see football adopt rugby's match clock too, and get rid of extra-time.
My dogs are chipped ;)
What he said! -the extra time. + use of tv replay for the divers! Which is the main reason why i dont follow football that closely now, get a football team to play rugby i say!
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Quote from: Snokio;354239Which is the main reason why i dont follow football that closely now, get a football team to play rugby i say!
There is huge truth in that. They must have lost a ton of supporters over the years due to the increasingly 'dramatic acting' rather than actual playing. That and the total disrespect shown to referees. In any other sport they'd be sent off, banned and told not to come back until they had grown out of diapers.
As a huge football fan (both as a coach and player) I hate the way some athletes in the game go on. Primadonnas at the finest - get paid too much for a sport they supposedly love and should play for a fraction what some earn. (latest rumour is van Persie to be offered £250,000 a week). It's totally crazy.
I have fines in place for the team I coach/manage where any booking for dissent results in a fine to the the player. These guys (the refs) don't get paid enough for some of the crap they have to put up with.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;354246There is huge truth in that. They must have lost a ton of supporters over the years due to the increasingly 'dramatic acting' rather than actual playing. That and the total disrespect shown to referees. In any other sport they'd be sent off, banned and told not to come back until they had grown out of diapers.
Like yourself & having played American Football TL, I do like the way things are done in it, only the captains can talk to the Refs & you should call them sir at all times.
On the subject of feigning injuries & stuff, I'd quite like to see the same thing happen in footy as they do in rugby, just call the trainer on & get on with the game with only the most serious of cases needing a stoppage, I'd think that would get rid of a lot of the play acting.
Football It's the most popular sport in the world can be played by kids with nothing doesn't need a ref.
Baseball American football... Only won by Americans
Only Americans make a Baseball Tournament and call it "The World Series" but only American teams can play in it. Football is !win! and i surely dont mean the American version.
@Padding @Sithvid..
Achem.. Toronto BlueJays
Last time I checked Toronto was still in Canada
Yep, I was there last year watching the Blue Jays and it is definitely still in Canada! :roflmao:
@Padding & Sith:
I think you both missed the point (but I don't think anyone is arguing against the 'world' point you both made). What I was lambasting is that referees are abused by football players and that football players cheat by acting as if they were fouled or hurt. When you pay someone tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands per week to play then as a professional you'd expect better.
If football handed out similar punishments to their players as for example 'american football' then you'd suddenly find the game would be much more fun and entertaining. It would also gather a lot more respect and supporters as people like me despise the way football players abuse the game.
In american football, baseball, basketball or almost any other professional sport any contact or abuse of the referree results in an instant dismissal & ejection from the game, followed by a huge fine from the league & their own team and additionals bans for serial or bad infringements. The result is that these games have very few issues with player behaviour, unlike football. Then again, look at the arsehole in charge of world football, maybe that's the standard they are stooping for :(
Sadly I think the issues are so pervasive it will take a huge effort to change things. I'm always amazed that American Football ended up being so sorted. You'd think that corporate America would have twisted and broken the game in so many ways that it would have been all about the money and nothing about the sport. The irony is that to a degree UK, and maybe even world Soccer, has allowed itself to slide down that exact slippery slope and now is much poorer as a sport for it. Billionaires can now buy any team they like, throw vast amounts of money at it and more or less guarantee themselves a shelf full of trophies. There are almost no checks and controls on how money is spent, how players are paid and traded and how teams are owned. Add to that the slow creeping dissent and quasi-cheating that is developing and someone with 'a pair' seriously needs to step up and take control. I don't know much about UK football but I've never met anyone who thought the FA bosses were anything more than a bunch of timid, self serving idiots.
I don't think it's just football either. We've had issued with Cricket and Rugby Union in the past as well. I still remember news stories about Cricket selectors and their mad choices for who represented England. I also well remember when the Rugby Bosses sacked Will Carling an England captain for suggesting the Rugby Officials weren't running British rugby well. It was only due to the fact that the whole England team got behind Will and not one of them was willing to take the captaincy that he got his job back and gave us a great run at the next World Cup.
Of course the main problem is that American Football is by definition only a USA sport, so rules applied are binding across all professional teams. If UK football teams had a salary cap placed on them I imagine every decent player would simply up sticks and go play for another European team that could still pay the huge salaries. If is was a Europe wide rule they would all head of somewhere else. It would need to be a world wide rule and then you're into the whole minefield of different standards and costs of living. There would also be the question of the various amounts of money generated in different countries by football. How would you compare a fair salary for a player in the UK against one in Brazil?