Dead Men Walking

We always have a moan in RGT about loot drops and randomness and 'our class never gets any tokens', so I thought it might be worth a couple of minutes looking at the data and trying to decide if our (my) moans are ever valid.

Myth #1

"My token never drops"

The perception is that Conqueror (Pala/Priest/Warlock) never drops (as evidenced by me moaning all the time about it).
This is total rubbish and a complete myth.  Since the start of Dragon Soul this is the breakdown of tier tokens drops for RGT:

So the reality is that Vanquisher (Rogue/DK/Mage/Druid) that drops the least, not Conqueror.  
Protector (warrior/hunter/shaman) drops the most.
Therefore my moans at Blizzard are unjustified and should cease immediately to be replaced by the constant wailing of Vanquisher classes.....................or maybe not:

Fact #1

I then weighted the drops against the class balance in RGT and normalised the results to see per player, whose loot dropped most often.  The results were interesting:

Tier Token Group|
Ratio of Loot Drops per member|[/table]
Once you factor in the class mix of RGT then for every Conqueror member that gets a tier token the Protector members get 1.28 tokens each (ie 28% more than Conqueror members) and the Vanquisher members get 1.72 tokens each (ie 72% more than Conqueror members).  

So now i feel relatively justified in moaning.  Until I remembered that the Officers are indirectly responsible for class balance through recruitment and that therefore it was my own fault.  But then I remembered Rule #1.

Rule #1
I blame Jas.    :angry:

Damn that druid GM and his cunning plan to recruit non-Vanquisher classes so that he and his cohorts can corner the tier token market for themselves!

:roflmao:

Oh lummax ive just been rumbled :doh:

To compound the issue you also fight with the casters for non set pieces which have been a very low drop rate and go for high dkp which the vanquisher class have been building up as they have the t13

With mop we will need to have a re think on dkp as its some crazy self loot system that for all my efforts i cant make bias towards me

Or make whitney reroll a DK! problem solved :D:D

Yeah our stuff never drops ;)

lol, brilliant TL :P

OFC Rule 1. always applies  !

Whatever the system there will always people shafted by the RNG of WoW. I am now in the stupid situation that my OS is better geared than my MS due to the fact that for gear i am after i am hoovering up in the wake of Leggs and Hubbah and once they have what they want ( if present ) its pretty easy for me to gear up.

The sometimes painful question of the prices paid i think is something that we could consider addressing............depending on who is present its the case that you can pay 1DKP or 100DKP for the same item.

When i was in Equanimity we happily ran EPGP for several years and everything had a fixed cost and you didn't wipe out your DKP for 1 item ( but you never got anything for the equivalent of 1DKP for MS ).....fixed price was the key. DKP was earned as usual by attendance and this generated a table of priority (DKP Earned divided by DKP spent = X.XX priority )......the result being that if you had high attendance you got more Loot Prio but even lower attenders with lower DKP earned could get items but they took longer to recover ). OS loot was priced at 20% of main. Usual weekly degradation of the earned/spent columns and over time it worked out. It was a good system and it could be considered as it would even out the randomness of price paid for the same item of which we get regular inconsistencies.

Cheers

Niel

All DKP is about to be removed from everyone, so the problem will not be here for long.

Quote from: TeaLeaf;352968All DKP is about to be removed from everyone, so the problem will not be here for long.

lol wait till I got my epic piece!!!  :ranting2:  in RGW, I'm the one that I have the most DKP... its about 3 months that Vanquisher tokens never dropped.... and usually in RGW are always present a mage a rogue 4/5 druids..
I never paid for an item less than 35 dkp.... :crying:

Quote from: hubbah;352956Or make whitney reroll a DK! problem solved :D:D

yup this would work out best:P as long as you keep him from standing in purple stuff on the floor!

I just say as I always do.. what is Loot? :rolleyes:
and I thought that we was suppose to have 100 dkp. at the end. since I always have that at every time at reset  lol :sideways:
and I blame the mages and rouge for no loot for druids. too many of them in our group.. skip them and let us druids have more gear
mohahaha.. :D

 its always gonna be some of us that moan about not getting the gear that they want. its part of the game, but its getting a boring when always the same ppl complains and when ya look at the gear they have they should not complain at all.. what is it that some ppl think they have the first pick on stuff?

btw the cat need her helm.. give it to me now :D pls päls need a new hat for summer vacation

Quote from: TeaLeaf;352968All DKP is about to be removed from everyone, so the problem will not be here for long.

It is why ?

It was said slightly tongue-in-cheek as MoP's loot system for LFR means that who gets loot & what loot is received is decided by Blizzard and players get no input into the matter.  If that system makes it through Beta into Live and is then also applied to normal/heroic MoP raid instances then DKP will no longer be relevant for loot purposes.

AFAIAA the MoP LFR loot system will NOT be applied to Normal/Heroic raid instances, but you know Blizzard as well as I do, so all bets are off until it goes live!

Thank god the only things that ensure I keep my spot is running dkp and slapping down the fish

So crap drop rate ....crap loot system in lfr :P...went on my priest tonight took ages as was a real crap grp....my 377 ilvl shadow priest....ungemmed and unchanted was 6th on madness pulling a measly 36k. A mage who was pulling 23k won 2 daggers and the staff.
Then lol'd and logged out.
Gj blizz on that 1