Dead Men Walking

BF3 Blog (http://bf3blog.com/2012/07/battlefield-4-rumored) is carrying the story that a link to the new MOH game had a "buy and get Battlefield 4 BETA access" tag line. This has since been withdrawn from Origin.

Unless they call it "Battlefield 4: PC ONLY, LAN SUPPORTING UPGRADE OF BATTLEFIELD 2" then I don't think I'm interested...

I suspect it will be titled "BattleRoom 4: Console dumbed-down cash-cow twitch-bang #bleep# edition"..

Quote from: ArithonUK;354766"Battlefield 4: PC ONLY, LAN SUPPORTING UPGRADE OF BATTLEFIELD 2"

now that would get me very interested in bf again, lets start a rumour

Quote from: ArithonUK;354766I suspect it will be titled "BattleRoom 4: Console dumbed-down cash-cow twitch-bang #bleep# edition"..

Jeez Arithon, don't beat around the bush, say what you mean! :roflmao:

Quote from: TwoBad;354769Jeez Arithon, don't beat around the bush, say what you mean! :roflmao:

Yep. The new game will drop all players in freefall into an 8m square low texture "battleroom" where you have guns that fire expletives at the the other players. Actual bullets are paid DLC. There are no maps or vehicles because that's dangerously close to modding and therefore illegal for our own good. A wide variety of camo pyjamas and hats will be available each month along with a patch to break the stuff that was fixed last month.

Arithon take up //www.battlefield4.co.uk as a domain:roflmao:

Wait, what?

EA can do one, it took them a year to get BF3 up to scratch. Shameless milking of a once great franchise :(

Quote from: Tutonic;354925Shameless milking of a once great franchise :(

QFT.

How long did games of yester-year last?   Way longer than the shelf life for some of the current "we reckon we can charge you again for the same game in 6 months and it still won't be working properly" games.

Quote from: Tutonic;354925Wait, what?

EA can do one, it took them a year to get BF3 up to scratch. Shameless milking of a once great franchise :(

The gap between BF2 and BF3 was too long. This takes it to the other extreme. I didn't like CoD doing it, I didn't like valve doing it, and I don't like BF doing it. This is why the F2P model will take over before too long. People will get sick and tired of paying for the same game every year (and, if you don't you'll be left on empty servers), on the other hand if you looks at a game like Team Fortress 2, released 5 years ago. Still gets updates, and is still earning the company money without deliberately breaking the game each year.

The progress on http://www.teamfortress.com/119/ puts CoD, BF and MoH to shame. That's before it went free to play...it's had plenty more since then, even last month there was a new map added. I really should start playing this game again...

TF is a good example of what games can be like with developement before EA try and make more money off the muggins why not fix BF3 first? surely that will temp customers into buying BF4 etc...At the moment I don't hold EA in high regard for gaming - Didnt before BF3 but now I just think there useless.

Sadly shenanigans like this will carry on as long as people are willing to pay. Hopefully as a community gamers will group round a version and that will become the online standard. Then companies like EA will have to rethink their business plan.

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Quote from: ArithonUK;354778Actual bullets are paid DLC.

I can see this happening, but the first thing like a lot of you have said is its just becoming a call of duty type, where they re-re-re-re-release the same game year on year, I hope they don't but ehh what can you do, I know doubt will be suckered into buying it :)

http://www.edge-online.com/features/battlefield-4-its-important-to-grow-up-a-bit/

Quote from: DICEIt’s a great showcase of a lot of different aspects of the game. Lots of  people say ‘oh, my favourite thing about Battlefield is this’, and  depending on the personality of the consumer, they want to see different  things.

No, I disagree. People's favourite things about BattleField were the features of BattleField, not Call of Duty, so claiming people all want something different is basically claiming you hear them, but choose to ignore them and are making Modern Warfare 4 anyway.

Quote from: About the campaignOne of the things we’re most happy with is that people actually pick up  on the characters. They remember their names. How often do you do that  in a game, really? People talk to me about the characters, for a game  like Battlefield, you could argue that it’s just a shooter, so who  cares. For us it’s important to grow up a bit and create a great story, a  character you care about, where you feel involved in their actions and  that’s based on the core idea of the whole game, that we want to move  elements of multiplayer into singleplayer.

Like a fish's bicycle single-player is, at best, superfluous to BattleField. Care about the characters? I care more that they wasted huge amounts of time and money creating what amounts to a graphics demo, rather than working on a BattleField multiplayer title worthy of the franchise. Scripted single player, characterisation, "Bond like" openings; are any of these things anything anybody has ever associated with BattleField? No.

Quote from: ArithonUK;370060No, I disagree. People's favourite things about BattleField were the features of BattleField, not Call of Duty, so claiming people all want something different is basically claiming you hear them, but choose to ignore them and are making Modern Warfare 4 anyway.



Like a fish's bicycle single-player is, at best, superfluous to BattleField. Care about the characters? I care more that they wasted huge amounts of time and money creating what amounts to a graphics demo, rather than working on a BattleField multiplayer title worthy of the franchise. Scripted single player, characterisation, "Bond like" openings; are any of these things anything anybody has ever associated with BattleField? No.

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Can we get excited yet?

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/04/15/battlefield-4-commander-mode-three-factions/


http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/04/25/battlefield-4-retail-poster-reveals-release-date-enhanced-battlelog-first-dlc-expansion/

We've been given one gameplay demo and already a DLC has been announced? I smell cash cow dung.

3 Factions isn't that surprising. I would be surprised if they were all available on one map. It basically means more DLC available because there are more terrains are possible and more unit types and weapons to skin. Commander making a comeback is more surprising, but so long as they're still trying to shovel DLC down peoples throats at the expense of a quality it's not really a good sign. If the commander is somehow tied to the dronestrike DLC then that would summarise in one move everything that is wrong with EA.

On a final note, it's still not going to be available on steam and it's still not sensibly priced which are on their own enough to put me off.

i expect i'll be trying this out at eurogamer this year, btw any 1 going to eurogamer this year?

3 factions isn't even all that  if you take a step back and think about it. It's just going to feel like a larger version of Squad DM already in BF3.

The return of Commander alone would secure my purchase.. As soon as it's confirmed I'm in!!

Quote from: no one, everI really want DLC and loads of player skins because team play and objectives don't matter

Where do EA have these conversations? Do they have blow-up dolls of the Activision and Ubisoft board to talk ideas with?

Three factions? Wow! BattleField 2 had six (US Navy SEALs, United Kingdom British SAS, Russia Russian Spetsnaz, MEC Special Forces, Rebels, Insurgents)

It's like being handed a 3-year-olds crayon drawing and being asked "isn't that great?". Well, if you are the parent - fantastic, but truthfully, no; it's total rubbish.

Is nobody left at DICE with a spine, or memory, who can stand up and say "well actually, no. It might look good, but we can do much better and have done a great deal better a decade ago". Why don't we start with that and go from there?

Instead, they're taking out all the things that make BattleField the game it was and modelling what's left on Call of Duty. And not even the first PC Call of Duty (when it was credible), but the Modern Warfare Console COD that gave rise to the "angry XBOX kid".

It might be "popular" in some quarters, but it's not an improvement.

Multiplayer footage from e3.

Looks like it has commander too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJY7n8KaOY&list=PLLpjKzWIuEfmHcyTF7Qxuh1gIZoF3pxWS

I like the brief look at the commander,  tanks spotted by squad, Tomahawks away by Commander, nice.

Brief commander trailer here: http://youtu.be/dgZTeVnM5Sw

Quote from: GhostMjr;371624Brief commander trailer here: [video=youtube;Vxc3F1Skpcg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vxc3F1Skpcg[/video]

Fixed it for ya ;), It actually looks pretty good but not sure how a tablet player can join in so to speak, but interesting concept indeed!

That's sold it for me.. I'm in!!!!!!

More info here: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/news/view/2925730256649102367/

Prepare 4 Battle on October 29th (http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/news/view/2925730256649102367/)

Live stream 11th-13th June (http://www.battlefield.com/battlefield-4/e3-live-stream?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=bf_social-us-socom-fb-bf4-e3-live-stream-fb-06112013-fb2&sourceid=bf_social-us-socom-fb-bf4-e3-live-stream-fb-06112013-fb2&websso=1)  (via Kreg)

Wow that's a great idea!! :boxing:

It's been confirmed that the squad size will now be 5 instead of 4 (as you can see in the video above)

29th Oct is the current release date on all platforms until Xbox One announce exclusive early release

Again no moding for this one.  I forsee no lan either :(

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125024-Battlefield-4-Wont-Support-Mods (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125024-Battlefield-4-Wont-Support-Mods)

Oh well, it's their loss at the end of the day.

Valve, Tripwire and many others have demonstrated that giving your commmunity modding tools not only keeps the fans happy, it gives the developers a ridiculous amount of talent from which to cherry pick the best stuff.

Quote from: Tutonic;371757Oh well, it's their loss at the end of the day.

Valve, Tripwire and many others have demonstrated that giving your commmunity modding tools not only keeps the fans happy, it gives the developers a ridiculous amount of talent from which to cherry pick the best stuff.

It also makes them a lot of money.

is there gonna be a bf4 limited edition and then another premium pack so u waste your money having to buy it twice?

Quote from: Sneakytiger;371769is there gonna be a bf4 limited edition and then another premium pack so u waste your money having to buy it twice?

This is EA, so yes, very probably

Prices are coming down a bit for bf4.

Green man Gaming is offering it for £44.99 same as origin but with 25% off if you use discount GMG25-2G9OL-15PO7.

http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/gb/en/pc/games/shooter/battlefield-4/#description

Making it £33.75 plus if you get 6.06% cashback from topcashback (http://www.topcashback.co.uk/ref/ghostmjr) this gets the price down to £31.

Also it's £29.99 via dvd on Green Man Gaming, unsure whether the voucher code will work but topcashback (http://www.topcashback.co.uk/ref/ghostmjr) will.

Anyone seen cheaper?

Anyone else got a BF4 Alpha test invite for the next two weeks?

Quote from: ArithonUK;371836Anyone else got a BF4 Alpha test invite for the next two weeks?

How did you get an invite?

I have found this info about the alpha: http://www.behindgames.com/battlefield-4-alpha-trial-begins-june-17th/

I got an invite too :)
Although I have windows 8 installed (which is not supported in the alpha), I hope to play it in windows 7 compatability mode

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It seems I'm not a highly dedicated Battlefield player...:crying::sad::doh::vsorry::getmecoat:

http://bf2s.com/player/57904564/
 (http://bf2s.com/player/57904564/)http://bf2s.com/player/43920851/

  (http://bf2s.com/player/43920851/)@Shadowfax, give it to me! ;) XD

Won't work in W7 compatibility (BF4.exe crashes).

Luckily I have an OS/X Lion and a Windows 7 boot drive. It took a while to start as I hadn't boot it in 6 months, but ran the Alpha just fine.

You clearly need to log more hours in the game mate.

Quote from: ArithonUK;371873Won't work in W7 compatibility (BF4.exe crashes).

Same here :(. Going to install a dualboot I guess...

There seems to be a fix for windows 8:

Quote from the bf4 forum:

QuoteIt's so simple, actually...

First of all: Thanks to Flug-E for giving this tip on another thread!

Now, for the solution: Just remove all PB files on the BF4 Alpha Trial folder under the "Origin Games" folder! First, I clicked on "pbsvc.exe" and chose to unninstall, then I removed the files. Dunno if you can remove all of them immediately, but better go for the safe side.

Hope it helps! ;)

Edit:
just tested it, and it works :)

Works. :)

think i'll wait about a month after release when they release the premium version.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/17/battlefield-4-alpha-trial-starts-today-system-specs-and-vehicle-customisation-shots-surface/

DICE are rolling towards the late October release of Battlefield 4 â€" air-dropping the game to select testers for an alpha trial that’s due to begin today. Testers were selected based on “experience with the Battlefield series”. Don’t let that get your hopes up, though â€" even if you have hundreds of collective hours of chaotic battle time, DICE’s “[URL=http://i.imgur.com/1N8g35d.png]TheBikeViking (http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/17/battlefield-4-alpha-trial-starts-today-system-specs-and-vehicle-customisation-shots-surface/)” has confirmed there will be no second batch of testers. Even so, information about the test is coming through, including an early look at system specifications.[/U][/URL]

Preordered with Green Man Gaming. £29.99 and getting £1.81 cashback via top cashback. (they've already taken payment though!)

Quote from: ArithonUK;371836Anyone else got a BF4 Alpha test invite for the next two weeks?

Is it me or does it have anything to do with at least a 5+ Veteran status?

Quote from: DuVeL;372413Is it me or does it have anything to do with at least a 5+ Veteran status?

Nope, checked it for you.
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/wallaholm/
This person has veteran status 3 and was in alpha.

Quote from: DuVeL;372413Is it me or does it have anything to do with at least a 5+ Veteran status?

Nah, it's coz I play BattleField Heroes!

[video=youtube;tqJfCPcu0As]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqJfCPcu0As[/video]

What is wrong with this picture? Watching the video of multi-player I keep seeing things and asking "Why didn't they fix that? We told them it was broken in BF:BC2!"

When throwing down medic packs, ammo etc. the player auto-gives-away-position by shouting "I dropped a medic bag here, so shoot me!" Surely this action should be silent, and the player only shout out stuff when the comma-rose equivalent is selected "Medic here", "ammo here" etc.

Also, they still don't allow players to be knocked down. Seems stupid, but a friendly and (worse still) an enemy player can pass through you, like a ghost. Surely if you run into an enemy player (or there's an explosion), simply physics should dictate one of you get knocked back or go down. How difficult is falling back from going prone? How cool would seeing a group of enemy combatants floored by a stun grenade look?

For all the special effects added to FrostBite 3, they still haven't covered the basics. Around the 24min mark watch as the Apache flies around the building and the leaves on the trees simply "pop" into existence. Can't they use a sprite up until that point, so the tree is visible (if less detailed) at a distance. Currently a sniper with a mid-range sight can simply go far enough away to "see through" any cover. How dumb is that?

While they made mucho-hypo about the skyscraper falling down, they didn't mention that every other window on the map above eye level is RPG-proof (again), so much for "destructible" maps..

There's been lots of tweaking, but very little change from BF3.

The "new" game does for BF3 what the "Special Forces" expansion pack did for BF2, only instead of costing £20, it costs £45-55 instead - with further DLC (map packs) coming probably for £20 a pop or another £45-55 for "Premium" which cannot be ordered yet (so no idea on content or price) this is the most expensive buy-it-by-instalments game I've ever seen at an eye-watering £90-110!!

Current poll on buying BF4 is 6 in-game already, 5 to hang up their guns and 7 waiting to spawn...

Great post Arithon, many thanks.

The game just looks more and more like battlefield 3.5, not 4.

I know that I will want to play it when it is out, as I always enjoy the games, but I am not sure I want it enough to justify the money EA is asking for it...

Just downloaded 20gb of BF3 again to play.

Cant see me getting BF4 though, like said before, it looks like battlefield 3.5. Just an expensive DLC.


EDIT - And 14GB of DLC to download too now. lol!!

Strange video, that. They can't seem to make up their mind between being a relatively realistic simulation or an arcade shooter. The end result is something that doesn't really satisfy on either front. Arma does the realism better, COD is a better 'arcade' shooter.

Battlefield used to be about the epic. 64 player games across huge terrain, massed tank battles with a full on fight for air supremacy above... this is a pale imitation.

It's hardly surprising, given the short amount of time that BF4 has actually been in development for. I think it's the price that's putting me off, rather than the game itself. Considering that it's a fairly minor update to BF3, asking me to pay a premium price is not going to get them a sale.

If it were £15 cheaper, I would probably be tempted.

[video=youtube;FPPe4hX9o4A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPPe4hX9o4A[/video]

Another video - interview with DICE. The ditzy blonde (clearly selected for her long and encyclopaedic knowledge of the BattleField franchise) is very off-putting. All I could think was "how many fags does she smoke to sound that gravelly?"

In it DICE state how they are "proud" of BattleLog (which I'm sure I read was knocked in a hurry by a subcontractor and bolted into the PC version to make up for the absent voice comms and game-browser) and how not only are they extending it for BattleField 4, but bringing it to consoles as well (a problem shared, is a problem two people have).  BattleLog is the gaming equivalent of the story ending "And it was all a dream and he woke up..." lazy, sloppy and unfit for purpose. Fine if you want a stats site, but a game browser (the name's a clue) should be in the game. And comms is to allow team play. If you have to write down everybody's names, quit to desktop, add everyone to Origin friends, restart and hope the game hasn't ended just to talk to your squad, then clearly you can see that (a) the person who made this, never played the game and (b) he or she was a moron and not any kind of capable software engineer. Or they knew it was unworkable and didn't care (occam's razor) and just assumed anyone with a brain would use teamspeak and ditch the pointless token comms.

I have to agree with Tut, that the "premium" price tag for the game is very much a factor in my not buying it. Barely removed from it's predecessor and openly missing content, for the sole purpose of selling it piecemeal. It's like being sold the base of Ming vase you just watched the shopkeeper smash, so he can sell you bottles of glue and fragments in bags of ten....

I noticed in both videos, even when the commander was mentioned, the words "team play" never came up. Telling that - and sad.

Rising bollards and shop shutters all essential features, not like in-game comms unconnected to friends list, eh? I mean, that would be getting our priorities all wrong!

And NOT knocking down the skyscraper is tactical, because it might move the flag twenty feet and some people might object! Now, of course, knocking down a building with an AC130 control centre in it would be just silly. Knocking down a captured chopper spawn point, that would be ridiculous! But moving a flag, well that's tactical. Thanks for clearing that up Karl!

Another thing Karl said in Part One of the interview was that DICE were not happy with the single player in BF3. Well newsflash Karl! Neither was I. Because there was one. And you're making the same resource burning, hard-drive occupying, unnecessary mistake in BF4!! Make the maps all free and make any single-player DLC. At least then the game has longevity, rather than a split player-base. How much money, time and effort was put into music, voice acting, animation and level design for a "feature" than 80-90% of BattleField players will never use? That could have paid for an in-game browser or a couple of extra player classes!

I REALLY want to like BF4. I've had every PC version of the BattleField franchise since it started. BF1942, Road to Rome, Secret Weapons, Vietnam, spent untold hours playing Desert Combat mod and Point Of Existence mod - then BF2, Special Forces, Euro Forces & Armoured Fury, I was in the BF2142 BETA 1 & BETA 2 before getting the game and have Bad Company 2 + Vietnam and accounts on BF:Online and BF:Heroes, plus (obviously) BF3 and Premium. It's not like I don't care or something. I think I've shown some commitment to the series.
But BF4 is repeating all the mistakes of BC2 and BF3 and ignoring all the things that were right about BF2 and not because they're bad ideas or difficult to apply, but because they don't fit with the consoles and don't appeal to twitch-shooter fans.

I'm just waiting for a "zombie mode" to seal the deal.

I'm not sure I agree with all your points - I actually quite like Battlelog. Once I got used to the idea of browsing for a server from a web browser, it's hard to argue that it's any worse than doing the same thing from within the game.

The lack of voice comms is, however, inexcusable. Being able to easily talk to the other players on your team is such a fundamental, vital part of a team-based shooter that leaving it out is sheer madness. I still can't understand why they thought restricting it was a good idea.

As for the lack of modding support? Well that's just moronic. "It's too hard *sniff*" doesn't cut it - look how much revenue and creativity it supplies for the likes of Valve, BI, etc.... why on earth would you not want a piece of that?

I slightly agree on the Battlelog part with Tut. The things I like about it is that you can adjust your setups here but what I dislike about it is that some things keep getting reset sometimes like some guns and character camo. Some people still don't know that the camo and such are useful.

About the voicecomms. For it and against it a bit. Depends on the players unless you have the ability to mute some people.

Some information about bf4:
[video=youtube;OnMtISNb_zQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnMtISNb_zQ[/video]

Hmm that is a really good video, well worth a watch.

And actually, a lot of the things he talked about sound like nothing but improvements to the game. Still feels very BF3.5, but the more I hear the more I like, at least!

Article here  (http://www.pcgamer.com/previews/battlefield-4-hands-on-scaling-skyscrapers-and-sniping-for-victory-in-war-torn-shanghai/)is quite good. Describes the Alpha/Demo level of BF4 and what gameplay is like.

"Battlefield 4 plays like it could be a bigger, prettier and more tactically complex iteration of BF3."

Yup.

While this video is about the PS4, and NOT BF4, it shows an impressive feature (0:45). The ability to select a friend and see what they see on the server they are playing on before joining them in-game.

[video=youtube;OFwBsPR8AVw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFwBsPR8AVw[/video]

Why can't BattleField 4 do this? BattleLog. Same reason that on BF3 team communications are vestigial, server browsing is slow 'n' clunky and half the time you launch a game nothing happens or you get "EA Connect (0)".

It's probably not know by DICE, that in the English language a "log" is a slang term for a particularly large turd (or poop) that won't flush. No irony there then.

BattleLog is a great statistics website, but it is totally unfit for purpose as a game browser for a first person shooter. Aside from the huge limitations of what can be done in a browser, it takes you OUT OF THE GAME. How much time have you spent on loading screens in BF3? Try running BF:BC2 or BF2 on the same PC and compare. The mere necessity of loading the game as well as the map slows everything.

As more and more "of the same" (DLC overlap, BattleLog, huge price tags, same faults) are announced with BF4, it just becomes more obvious that BF4 is a BF3 expansion pack with engine tweaks, much as Unreal Tournament 2004 was to Unreal Tournament 2003. Take out the graphics tweaks and the new maps and you have, under new wallpaper, the same game.

While I appreciate DICE has to make money, they've made very little effort to address the complaints made about BF3, other than re-instate the commander. And they are asking a LOT of money! Given that the "Deluxe" edition is £54.99 (EUR 69.58) then each of the five DLC packs will cost at least £11.99 (probably more) that takes the actual full price of the game to £107.95 minimum. Also, as I've said on another thread, if you pre-order or buy the "deluxe" version you get "China Rising" DLC. So if you buy Premium (for a "cheaper" set of DLC's and the other perks), you'll pay for twice for one DLC pack.

Remember, this is not a new game, just tweaked release of the same game - BF 3.1. For what DICE and EA are charging, they either expect lower sales, think we're all brainless chumps ripe for the taking, or plan on dropping the price over a short period and want to grab as much cash up front before people lose interest or word of mouth kills the game. Look at Sim City. It's now cheaper on Origin than it is on Amazon!

You'd think they'd learn. Look at the sudden burst of BF3 players when the Humble Bundle (https://www.humblebundle.com/) (you have 6 days to go) sold BF3 and a pack of other games for $5 (£3.50-ish). We've had a full dMw server all week and a huge influx of new players. Because they all upgraded their PC's? No, because the price was right!

DICE should either give us what WE want at a price THEY like, or give us what THEY can knock out quick, but at a price WE like. Currently they're just trying to sell their cake and eat it. Old game re-skinned at new game prices.

I'll probably end up with BF4 as a birthday present (they've always released it around the same date) but eleven years after getting BF1942, I feel that the franchise has forgotten its roots.

I'd make DICE's current crop of designers and developers play BF1942, the Desert Combat Mod and BF2 and say to them "Beat that if you can!".

Here, here!
And BattleParticularlyLargeTurd sounds divine!

I'd settle for the £5 lan server expansion pack, then it will have my attention again.  Slightly.

Nice post though Arithon.

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Quote from: TeaLeaf;374626I'd settle for the £5 lan server expansion pack, then it will have my attention again.

Yes, on reflection a "Modders SDK and LAN server DLC" would make buying the game for £107 actually worth it!

Ordered it anyway.  I said I wasn't going to get BF3 and I did and so did everyone else and I've enjoyed playing it. Same pattern seemed to be happening for BF4, so I have just taken the plunge...as I am sure everyone else will too eventually ;)

I just bought BF3.   I'll probably follow the same pattern too - I'll get BF4 when the 8 chargeable DLC packs and 3 chargeable content patches are in a $3.99 Humble Bundle :boxing:

I honestly do wish the game luck, but I fear they are strangling their own audience at the moment with their charging policy.    They've yet to fix things from earlier releases and re-charge for minor improvements and updated versions of old maps - I'd much prefer to pay once for a version that actually worked as intended.     Unfortunately each time they re-charge their 'franchise fanbase' decreases in size a little more.   Eventually it will be a dead game as they will have chased off their own supporters.

I agree the starting price for bf4 is on the high side if you want it on day zero. Scary if you need more than one copy
 
I think i managed to get bf3+premium for about £40 and tbh the fun and time I have had from it has made it good value imo. I have paid just as much in the past for games that I didn't enjoy. I just hope the price of bf4 will drop to this sort of level

£31 from Tesco for the disc and first dlc pack. Plus club card points ;o

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FYI: Official 'Parcel Storm' Multiplayer trailer:

[video=youtube;3_xaIv7Wo1A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_xaIv7Wo1A[/video]

Surprisingly I did that.. I thought the water fight would be naff.

DICE have Tweeted the minimum and recommended specs (https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/377129313524387841). for BattleField 4. My 2010 rig matches the "recommended" specifications.

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Quote from: ArithonUK;375266DICE have Tweeted the minimum and recommended specs (https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/377129313524387841). for BattleField 4. My 2010 rig matches the "recommended" specifications.

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Lol to whoever dev said that next-gen consoles will surpass PC-gaming in everyway. Any PC built in the past few years will be somewhere between these specs. (As PCG would agree)

I laugh in the face of those specs



Just realised windows 8:g::crying:

Think I'm safe too, and I'm due an upgrade soonish

Quote from: .DickDastardly.;375272Just realised windows 8

Don't worry, you can stick with Windows 7. Windows 8 is just faster, that's all. And pretty good once you've scraped Metro off your boots (not "Operation Metro" but the Fisher Price front-end they mistakenly shipped with Win 8 that used to be called "Metro" before they realised the name was just as bad an idea as a touch-screen interface on a non-touch desktop OS).

Thanks Arry' , been contemplating weather or not to install windows 8 still undecided.

BF4 open Beta officially launches Oct 1st ....open only that you need the digital deluxe edition or a BF3 Premium member that is...

Quote from: Snokio;375533BF4 open Beta officially launches Oct 1st ....open only that you need the digital deluxe edition or a BF3 Premium member that is...

Not quite.

• By pre-ordering the Battlefield 4 Digital Deluxe Edition on Origin.com (getting it elsewhere won't pass muster)
  
• By being a Battlefield 3: Premium member
• By being a registered  owner of Medal of Honor Warfighter Limited Edition or Digital Deluxe  Edition.

Ironically I score 2/3.

What's a pity is they are not offering it to players of BF3 with high ranks or play time, or to "BattleField Veterans". Like me.

Quote from: ArithonUK;375537Not quite.

• By pre-ordering the Battlefield 4 Digital Deluxe Edition on Origin.com (getting it elsewhere won't pass muster)
  
• By being a Battlefield 3: Premium member
• By being a registered  owner of Medal of Honor Warfighter Limited Edition or Digital Deluxe  Edition.

Ironically I score 2/3.

What's a pity is they are not offering it to players of BF3 with high ranks or play time, or to "BattleField Veterans". Like me.

Wait, you need all 3 of those to get the beta?

Quote from: DannagE;375581Wait, you need all 3 of those to get the beta?

That's right! :roflmao:


...No. Any one thing qualifies you.

If I am reading it right on battlelog, everybody gets access to the beta.
Premium members etc get 3 days exclusive access.  (http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/news/view/battlefield-4-beta-dates/)

I'm thinking of getting this (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/bf4-bf4-premium-54-99-simplycdkeys-1661357). BF4 + Premium for £54.99.   Cheapest I've seen so far.

Quote from: lionheart;375725I'm thinking of getting this (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/bf4-bf4-premium-54-99-simplycdkeys-1661357). BF4 + Premium for £54.99.   Cheapest I've seen so far.

Looks like a super deal. Currently have just bf4 preordered for £29.99 delivered from green man gaming. Anyone else thinking of going for this too?

Quote from: lionheart;375725I'm thinking of getting this (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/bf4-bf4-premium-54-99-simplycdkeys-1661357). BF4 + Premium for £54.99.   Cheapest I've seen so far.

I'm down with that..

Bought it. £54.99 for 2 years gaming ( which is what I've had with BF3 ) is a good deal.

Quote from: lionheart;375725I'm thinking of getting this (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/bf4-bf4-premium-54-99-simplycdkeys-1661357). BF4 + Premium for £54.99.   Cheapest I've seen so far.

That sounds like a really good deal indeed.

Quote from: lionheart;375725I'm thinking of getting this (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/bf4-bf4-premium-54-99-simplycdkeys-1661357). BF4 + Premium for £54.99.   Cheapest I've seen so far.

Just spotted this, I'm cancelling my pre-order at tesco and getting this instead. Was always going to end up getting the DLC and premium anyway, so this is a much better price in the long run.

Going to try bf4 at eurogamer 2morrow

Quote from: DannagE;376005Just spotted this, I'm cancelling my pre-order at tesco and getting this instead. Was always going to end up getting the DLC and premium anyway, so this is a much better price in the long run.

Done this too. cancelled my other order and ordered this instead.

Thanks lion for the link, the dick has got bf4

.DickDastardly. sent from a galaxy far... far away

Quote from: lionheart;375725I'm thinking of getting this (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/bf4-bf4-premium-54-99-simplycdkeys-1661357). BF4 + Premium for £54.99.   Cheapest I've seen so far.

how long do orders generally take with these?, I've ordered from them just waiting for my key not sure how long it takes, they website says delivery within 5 minutes?.

Quote from: .DickDastardly.;376180how long do orders generally take with these?, I've ordered from them just waiting for my key not sure how long it takes, they website says delivery within 5 minutes?.

Nice reading DD - "CD keys are sent via email approximately 24 hours before the games official release day (subject to payment authorisation)."

Can anyone clear up the release date for the game?

http://www.battlefield.com/battlefield-4/faq/release-date
[URL=http://www.battlefield.com/uk/battlefield-4/release-date]http://www.battlefield.com/uk/battlefield-4/release-date

W (http://www.battlefield.com/battlefield-4/faq/release-date)h[/URL]ich one is it, 29th October or 1st November? xD

Quote from: DannagE;376195Can anyone clear up the release date for the game?

http://www.battlefield.com/battlefield-4/faq/release-date
 (http://www.battlefield.com/battlefield-4/faq/release-date)http://www.battlefield.com/uk/battlefield-4/release-date

W (http://www.battlefield.com/uk/battlefield-4/release-date)hich one is it, 29th October or 1st November? xD

29th USA, 1st November UK and Europe (although thats the retail and origin release dates, it depends what region the digital or retail code Simply give us is)

Cheers dannage and ghost mjr you are great!.

.DickDastardly. sent from a galaxy far... far away

Got my preorder in too! Looking forward to the beta tonight/tomorrow!

ignore this dannage helped me.
.DickDastardly. sent from a galaxy far... far away

Got it, the full package!!! Lets hope we all don't get screwed over.....  :woot2:

The all-new explosive game mode Obliteration is now available in the Battlefield 4 Open Beta! Obliteration features two teams fighting over control of a bomb that must be planted on specific enemy targets on the Battlefield. This spells hectic all-out war with many epic Battlefield Moments guaranteed. Please join the Beta now and try out Obliteration on the Siege of Shanghai map and let us know what you think. We appreciate your feedback. Thanks for playing!

Quote from: DuVeL;376660The all-new explosive game mode Obliteration is now available in the Battlefield 4 Open Beta! Obliteration features two teams fighting over control of a bomb that must be planted on specific enemy targets on the Battlefield. This spells hectic all-out war with many epic Battlefield Moments guaranteed. Please join the Beta now and try out Obliteration on the Siege of Shanghai map and let us know what you think. We appreciate your feedback. Thanks for playing!

Played it today don't really like it it's not original either.

Sounds like Sabotage? mode in CoD

Just spotted simplycdkeys took my paypal payment on the 21st. Getting closer :o

Quote from: DannagE;377309Just spotted simplycdkeys took my paypal payment on the 21st. Getting closer :o

They have taken my payment too! Not long now!

Mines just arrived.

Well I took the plunge, and haven't been able to play a single game yet. Nothing but crashes, freezing, endless load screens.

Then again, what did I expect?

QuoteNothing but crashes, freezing, endless load screens.

Same for me ...

I have updated my Gfx (AMD)  driver to the beta one that's come out 13.152, Only locked up once since (x-fingers)

A drive defrag has halved my loading time too

Will try a defrag now!

As for drivers, I'm already on the most recent, but on AMD mobile (7970m).

When the game does run, it some how runs well on ultra at 2560x1440, which surprised me. Its just getting it to run for more than 5 minutes that seems to be difficult.

Ok, mine seems to be working a touch better now, and I'm actually really enjoying the game so far! I'm busy this friday, but hope to see some of you in there soon enough :)

Quote from: T-Bag;354954People will get sick and tired of paying for the same game every year (and, if you don't you'll be left on empty servers)

Thing is, it's our own fault. We've been teaching EA we love to buy franchise games every year. At one point, my brother counted half the Fifa releases on his shelf. They've been pushing one a year since 1993, and it never fails to reach the top 10 lists...

Well, as predicted my dear old mum asked my brother what to get me for my birthday... and Battlefield 4 has duly arrived :)

Well it could always be worse. Could have been Ghosts..

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Well, yea. That would have been upsetting.

See you on the server tomorrow then!!

I should be able to get on for a bit.

Fired it up for a quick spin last night, it's good fun :)

could you all please add n0peanuts to your origin friends list. He's very lonely :stroke:

Can you please add:

Alberht

To your Origin list :)

FYI on the most recent update:

Battlefield 4 PC Dec 16th 2013 PC Update Notes :
- Fix for a crash that would cause the game to stall, resulting in a sound loop. This should eliminate most of the problems relating to this.
- Fix for the SUAV (introduced in the China Rising expansion pack) not exploding when hitting enemy soldiers. While these indeed should be deadly, they were never designed for “roadkilling” opponents.
- Fixed one of the issues related to the so-called “Netcode” (see below for details).
- Fix for an issue where 4x the damage from a vehicle’s minigun would be applied to the chest when a player had the Defense specialization equipped.
- Fix for player tags not always showing when needed to, resulting in players shooting team members.
- Fix for graphical flickering appearing on terrain.
- Fixed the instance where players suddenly would transition into Spectator Mode while playing the Defuse game mode.
- Fix for a Defuse bug where none of the teams would win a round by letting the timer run out.
- Fix for players getting stuck in the revive screen after being killed.
- Fix for players getting stuck in the kill camera after being revived.
- Fix for the game mode specific ribbons being counted twice in the multiplayer progression.
- Made NVidia 331.82 or later driver versions mandatory for all players.
- Disabled DirectX 11.1 on NVidia cards that have outdated drivers.
- Fixed driver version not being properly detected on NVidia Optimus systems.
- Fixed a minor crash that could occur when bringing up the scoreboard.
- “Netcode” improvement
We’ve addressed the so-called “Kill trading”. This refers to when two players fire at each other and, seemingly, both die at the same time. The time window where a bullet could cause damage from an already dead player is now calculated as intended, decreasing the timeframe when players with high latency could get a kill, even though they should be dead according to the server.

Quote from: albert;379035Can you please add:

Alberht

To your Origin list :)

Done.. Join us on Friday man!!

gonna be buying premium soon.

Anyone up for some BF4 tonight on the TOGA-server?

Going to be on a bit later. First have to get my Grolsch h4x going with a m8 at the pub.

I'm already there.. :P