Well, as this is all going to happen in 2013, Hamilton :dummy: moving to Mercedes :frusty: (and proving me right that he moves for money, not championships:rolleyes:) and Perez moving to Mclaren, the focus now moves to Schumacher, and there are whispers he will run a final year at Ferrari replacing Massa :thumbup:, with Vettel moving to Ferrari the following year, others say there has been long talks with a move to Sauber. http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/opinion/schumacher-to-sauber/
(http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/opinion/schumacher-to-sauber/)
I suspect Di Resta may have been approached by Ferrari though
Interesting!
Di Resta at Ferrari would be a good combo :thumb:
This isn't all about money. Being given offered a pay cut shows a lack of respect but this contract will take him into 2014 where the new engines come into play and those are being made by Mercedes. Mclaren has no guarantees of performance with new technology. The team have always been there or thereabouts in the championship, but Red Bull and Brawn absolutely trounced them in the past 3 years. That said, they've always consistently beaten Mercedes who tend to lack development later in the season.
If Mercedes get the jump with the new engines and if they find investment they've certainly got the brains in the company to make a great car, even a championship winner.
I hope Ferrari find a replacement, I was crossing my fingers for Perez but they said he lacked experience, which I imagine puts Di Resta out of the picture too as they both came to the sport around the same time. Not really sure what choices they have other than grabbing Kovalainen or someone like that who has been stuck in a car at the back of the grid.
Hamilton working with Ross Brawn is a potentially awesome combo. Very interesting :)
Made I larf :)
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Ill kick this one off, the beebs new presenter to replace Jake
Suzi Perry, as reported here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20812990
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20812990)
I now need some time to myself:D
ps i did do a search for any other 2013 thread but the search engine didnt grab any, now i realise there is another thread can a mod merge it for me
Don't forget we're going to the Friday FP sessions in 2013 at the Silverstone circuit. See dMw Events section for more details!
I thought Jake was pretty good, will be sad to see him go, much better than that wannabe Jake at sky, but I do like Suzi to, I don't know why :g: (can you imagine Couthard and Perry together?)
Looking ahead to the next season, BBC1 has anounced it's race coverage. No Monaco!
The BBC has confirmed its live coverage plans for Formula One races for 2013 with the broadcaster once again showing 10 races.
As was the case in 2012, the Beeb will not show the opening two races of the year in Australia and Malaysia with the first live race the Chinese Grand Prix on the weekend of April 14. Spain also remains on the list of races, but the Monaco Grand Prix, widely considered to be one of the sport's most prestigious events, doesn't feature with the Canadian race taking its slot.
The yet to be announced European race on July 21 is also among the races that will be shown as is the Indian GP.
BBC Live Races
China: April 14
Spain: May 12
Canada: June 9
Great Britain: June 30
TBA*: July 21
Belgium: August 25
Italy: September 8
Japan: October 13
India: October 27
Brazil: November 24
I think I'll be sticking with Virgin/Sky package.
Watching the testing on Sky. Ferrari are trying to speed up their pitstops with the introduction of explosive wheel nuts. Not sure the experiment worked!
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Quote from: TeaLeaf;367690Watching the testing on Sky. Ferrari are trying to speed up their pitstops with the introduction of explosive wheel nuts. Not sure the experiment worked!
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The what?
Quote from: kregoron;368018The what?
Looks like the wheel nut mis-fired!
Practice just started for the OZZIE F1, weather looks bad, welcome back F1 :yahoo:
:crying:Crap. Here comes the rain. Does not look good.
AAnt
Correct, I made the call to go to sleep instead when I saw the forecast and I am sure glad I did! But it's an easier call to make from ON than from the UK!
Will be staying up late tonight to watch Q2 and Q3, due to start at 12.00am midnight, so should be done by 1.00am UK time.
Luckiest people of Q1:
Hamilton - who only damaged his rear wing endplate instead of potentially damaging the suspension struts or gearbox
Massa - for still having anything at all attached to the front of his car, I watched the reply several times and still don't understand how the wheel/suspension were not ripped off
Raikonen - for getting through qualifying at all. If he dropped just one more place and he'd have been watching qualifying instead of participating in Q2.
Loving the F1 mobile app (although the price is extortionate). It seems that I can run the app on my tablet, watch the live coverage on TV and place a crafty bet for pole position using any 'purple' sector 1& 2 split times from the tablet. Looking forward to see if I can jump one step ahead of the odds tonight!
The F1 app use to be free up until last season :(, it was very good then!
Look at all the Newbies! bit of a mistake imho.
What time does Q2 start (UK)?
I didn't bother staying up, and it seems I missed a lot, and at the same time, not very much. I might stay up for the qualifying tonight, but that'll make the race hard to wake up for...so many choices.
As for the F1 app. There's no way I'd buy it. It's a 19 race season and they charge £24 to view the times. I used a free version last year, though it wasn't constantly updated (only refreshed every 10 seconds or so), but it was good enough to have a list of all the positions in a race without waiting for them to scroll past on the TV. I don't know why they don't just show them all, in HD we can read it fairly easily.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;368694Will be staying up late tonight to watch Q2 and Q3, due to start at 12.00am midnight, so should be done by 1.00am UK time.
Quote from: Snokio;368696What time does Q2 start (UK)?
See above!
I'll be on the DMR Team speak for the race if anyone is watching this live and wants to chat.
Q3 is coming up and seems the rain might have let up, Button did a good job for 4th in Q2.
Green flag for Q3.
Ant
Here we go..2013 and the skies look good. Go Go Alonso.
What a great exchange with Alonso and Lewis on lap 32 :boxing:
Lap 45 and Alonso moves to 2nd on a great pass. Cost time..7.7 secs to leader.
Congrats to the Kimmy Fans, that lotus looks great. Lap 55 could have been Alonsos" last when a back marker got right in his way.
I'm happy with 2nd..
Ant
Yep was a good race, those Red Bulls appear to be really heavy on the rears in low temps. Webber's start......uuugh again.
Massa drove a great race but was pretty much hung out to dry by being called in early for a swap of medium compound tyres? Why? The tyres were not old, not blocked, not worn and he was doing great lap times (better than Alonso). The cynic in me says that the only thing it achieved was to put him behind Alonso.
Quite surprised with the Force India straight line speed advantage, when tyres were still ok none of the top teams could get past even with DRS. It was only as their older tyres went off that they were overtaken on the basis of traction out of corners and under braking. Sutil did a great job and deserved more than he eventually got imo. DIR got stuck behind ?Perez on his second stint and that qwrecked his strategy or he would have been another couple of places higher too. 5th & 6th for Force India would have been a great result.
McLaren has a nasty day, best forgotten and move on.
Maldanado did his usual "Oh I forgot the car was that wide" and put his left rears onto the grass before trying to brake at the end of the straight and turn into T1. Unsurprisingly he lost the back end and parked it in the gravel. He's done that a few times now and I bet the team are getting a bit fed up with it.
Mercedes did ok I think, they were losing tyres faster than Force India and Ferrari and could not keep it up towards the end of the tyre stints. Quite surprised at how long the SuperSoft lasted though for Hami's first phase.
Lotus did well and I bet they breathed a huge collective sigh of relief when Grosjean just missed colliding with Alonso in T1 of lap 1 as he came back onto the track after being pushed wide. Great result for Kimi and well deserved after such a consistent season last year. And a 1.29 towards the end of the race on 30 lap old Mediums? That Lotus is sure looking after the tyres well.
Malaysia will be interesting, I suspect the tyres will behave a lot better in the higher temps, but it's also a supposedly higher degradation circuit, so it will be interesting to see what happens as the teams swap low temp tyre deg for high abrasion tyre deg. Looking forward to it!
P1 and 2 were occupied by the drivers I want to see battling for the title. It's good to see the drivers not the cars making a big difference again, rather than the car deciding the order. P1 vs P10 for Lotus, P2 vs P4 for Ferarri, P3 vs P6 for Red bull and P9 vs P11 for Mclaren. Just goes to show the cars are perhaps on more level playing field this season which could lead to more wheel to wheel racing and strategy which are the best bits anyway, rather that leading from the front or only gaining positions by having a car that's easier on its tyres.
Top 10 pictures form the Australian Grand Prix (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/03/19/top-ten-pictures-2013-australian-grand-prix/)
Not that impressed with some of them, but I loved this one (Nico Rosberg in the Merc on Friday). Go click the link and see the rest over at f1fanatic
(http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/F12013GP01AUS_HZ4747-886x590.jpg)
Can't wait to see what Malaysia brings (other than hotter, steamier weather!)
McLaren ECU statement:
QuoteThere is a new standard ECU (Engine Control Unit) in 2013 that featured on all Formula 1 cars that took part in the recent Australian Grand Prix.
It will power the 2.4-litre V8 engines this season and the new 1.6-litre V6 turbocharged parallel hybrid engines in 2014 and beyond.
Supplied by McLaren Electronics Systems, the new ECUs were run for the first time on the track by most teams in winter testing in February, just six weeks before racing began in Melbourne.
They replace the previous ECUs that have been running very reliably since the standard ECU was introduced by the FIA in 2008.
An ECU comprises several thousand parts, tens of thousands of solder connections and hundreds of thousands of lines of software. It is a very complex piece of equipment that controls the powertrain and DRS, and acts as a car's primary data system.
The electronic units themselves ran without incident in Melbourne, but there was a software-related issue that meant that Mark Webber's Red Bull Racing car's garage data system had to be re-started during the formation lap. That disrupted his preparations for the start of the race, for which Mark and the team has our apology. We are working together with them to prevent any recurrence.
I agree but it's more about the sunset than the car that makes this pic. You could in theory put anything in the foreground and it would work. And I'll stop now before the photography nerd in me is unleashed and I write a critique on every photograph in the set :rolleyes:
Not wanting to spoil the Malaysia result if anyone has not seen it yet but its a cracking race ...
The atmosphere in the pre-podium room looked a tad icy to say the least. If looks could kill. Thrilling :flirty:
See that driver there? He aint happy. And that driver there? He aint happy either.
And as for me, a spectator, I'm as unhappy as them two :taz:
Funniest thing I've seen for years in F1, Hamilton driving into the McLaren pit-box and suddenly remembering that he was driving a Mercedes :lmfao:
Felt sorry for the 2nd place guy
3rd and 4th should of swapped, it was unfair for the 4th finisher, I can understand the frustration of the 2nd.
Guys well done you have managed what most people on FB and other places failed thank you for thinking of others!
I'm just waiting for the repercussions......!
Feeling sorry for second. Scared for first. Happy that third also felt uncomfortable and thanked fourth. Sorry for fourth.
In post race interviews first was *unbelievable * in his lies.
"I didn't do it deliberately". Like hell.
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You know I now SO have to watch this race, as I'm utterly intrigued.
Quote from: Snokio;3691273rd and 4th should of swapped, it was unfair for the 4th finisher, I can understand the frustration of the 2nd.
The reason that team is going to be a powerful force to contend with this year is not because they have the strongest car, or best luck, it's because they try brave strategies. 4th place did as well as he did because 3rd place was asked to pit early for his first stop rather than fighting the driver ahead at the time. P3 was also fuelled significantly less, presumably not by mistake but as a strategy to ensure if the rain went on longer he'd be optimally fuelled, but that was why he ended up in a position to force a pit stop for the team ahead.
Yes, P4 could have easily overtaken him with the way he was required to drive at the end, but that's not what that team is gong to be about this year.
I think action will be taken off track to P1 because if not I imagine P2 will have a particularly wide car in future races.
Anyone seen that footage of Webber cut straight in front of vettel right after they crossed the line? Eeekkkk!
Found a clip here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykG06ixh92c&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/03/how-strategy-calls-led-to-vettelwebber-clash-and-mercedes-team-orders/
Very interesting read is the above article, particularly the swap in pitstop preference @ Red Bull which I had not noticed during the race. Conspiracy theorists will love it!
The other real nice find was the above linked youtube & (unbroadcast) shot of Webber carving up Vettel after the chequered flag. Everyone saw Webber snub the pitwall by veering to the far side to show his anger with them, but the FIM TV producer did not show this shot of the carve up to tell Vettel how angry Webber was! This is the Sky Sports link for it.
http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/teams/redbull/video/#content
Alonso going out was disappointing, but after that a great race up to the final stint, when it became a bit of a soap opera, half expected a NASCAR style punch up at the end :D
Thanks for the clip and article links, some interesting stuff in there - what happens if the cars total each other and don't make it back to parc ferme?
Some nice on-board footage from Vettel and Webber:
[video=youtube;PrVaADyuAWM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PrVaADyuAWM#![/video]
And a nice pic I thought:
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good video, cant see the pic due to not being a member of that forum
oops, now fixed :)
Loving the winner of the caption photo! :roflmao:
(scroll down just a wee bit to see the piccie of Webber and the winning caption!)
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/03/31/malaysian-grand-prix-has-put-map-pm/
Shanghai, great session. Can't Wait.
Ant
Watch P2 now, Massa fastest atm
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Exploding tires and all...Yah Massa..great session P2 Kimi looks strong and Alonso seems fast..should be intesting..onto P3
Ant
(3:35 AM here)
F1 over breakfast, sorted :-)
Intriguing qualifying. Going to make for an interesting race. Gary's comment that people starting on hards would probably only want softs for 3 or 4 laps right at the end, seriously that few?
With the drop off they saw on soft in free practice it could well be that few. My guess is maximum 6 laps at the start on heavy fuel and up to 10 by the end of the race on low fuel and when the circuit has rubbered in.
It will make the race interesting though with the mix of strategies!
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LOL..where do they get these commentators, Rod Stewart will look at that..I think they mean Jackie Stewart.
My Boy Alonso.
Lap 35
I don't think they could have made the tyres more exciting if they tried. I'm sure they'll get a lot of praise for making this one as interesting as it was with opposing strategies.
QuoteMcLaren-Honda: reuniting one of the greatest partnerships in Formula 1 history
Posted on Thursday, 16 May 2013 08:30 (BST)
McLaren is delighted to confirm that it will form a new multi-year Formula 1 technology partnership with Honda.
http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/inside-the-mtc/mclaren-honda-reuniting-one-greatest-partnerships-formula-1-history/
Quote from: T-Bag;369980I don't think they could have made the tyres more exciting if they tried. I'm sure they'll get a lot of praise for making this one as interesting as it was with opposing strategies.
looks like some people disagree on the tires being exciting - Mainly redbull whining when they don't win, but scarily sounds like someone persuaded pirelli to change things - Good job the rules prevent them using last year's tires like they proposed!
Interesting article in intelligent life (spinoff from the economist) on algorithms and how important they are in arenas like f1 if anyone subscribes
Watched the first practice from Monaco (4:00 AM my time) I've always loved this track, but, having to get up so early is getting harder every year. Luis looks fast (well for 1 or 2 laps) I doubt the Mercs can go the distance. Hope to see Alanso in the points again this weekend.
Ant
Top moment, Grosjean hitting the barrier at Sainte Devote!
Scariest moments: high speed through Tabac and into Swimming Pool. Definitely not for the feint-hearted!
About 10 minutes to Qual , track is wet and the rain is intermittent. This should be interesting.
Ant
Some sad news: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22946026 Get well soon Murray!
*Spoiler Warning* (kind of)
RB have spotted cuts on the tires from Sebs car, so could be the curbs/drains but surely should not 'explode' like that?
doubt it's debris
I know Bernie wants to make F1 more 'exciting', but randomly exploding tyres seems to be a touch extreme.
Gutted for Hamilton, Vettel must be fairly hacked off too...
Great race, worrying tyre situation although it might be much more down to the curb profiling (see BBC webpage with video (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23118249)) than the actual tyres themselves.
Brill drive from Webber.
Brill drive from Hamilton (drive of the day)
Entertaining race, not necessarily for the usual reasons but plenty going on, many overtakes and nobody hurt. All's well that ends well as the Championship fight looks more open now.
I wonder how long that curb's been in that condition for. It doesn't look great, but the Pyrelli tyres really should be tougher...
Really enjoyed watching Hamilton charge up the field, great stuff.
I'm quite willing to believe that, as with most things BBC, the man with the microphone doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, but that's a pretty big edge sticking up
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Quote from: Snokio;359187Well, as this is all going to happen in 2013, Hamilton :dummy: moving to Mercedes :frusty: (and proving me right that he moves for money, not championships:rolleyes:) and Perez moving to Mclaren, the focus now moves to Schumacher, and there are whispers he will run a final year at Ferrari replacing Massa :thumbup:, with Vettel moving to Ferrari the following year, others say there has been long talks with a move to Sauber. http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/opinion/schumacher-to-sauber/
(http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/opinion/schumacher-to-sauber/)
I suspect Di Resta may have been approached by Ferrari though
Interesting!
Well it seem this is the second time i have been wrong since 1867
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Pirelli's statement and findings with reference to the tyre failures at Silverstone are below.
I find point 1 staggering that F1 teams can ignore something that even a road car driver would not let happen. Putting tyres on the wrong way around! There's a clear implication in the statement that this is precisely what they found during the forensic examination of the tyres post-Silverstone.
Points 2 & 3 are interesting too. Red Bull is known to have long flouted the tyre pressure and in particular the camber angles employed on their car set up, so I wonder who the other culprits are?
Quote from: Pirelli1: Rear tyres that were mounted the wrong way round: in other words, the right hand tyre being placed where the left hand one should be and vice versa, on the cars that suffered failures. The tyres supplied this year have an asymmetric structure, which means that they are not designed to be interchangeable. The sidewalls are designed in such a way to deal with specific loads on the internal and external sides of the tyre. So swapping the tyres round has an effect on how they work in certain conditions. In particular, the external part is designed to cope with the very high loads that are generated while cornering at a circuit as demanding as Silverstone, with its rapid left-hand bends and some kerbs that are particularly aggressive.
2: The use of tyre pressures that were excessively low or in any case lower than those indicated by Pirelli. Under-inflating the tyres means that the tyre is subjected to more stressful working conditions.
3: The use of extreme camber angles.
4: Kerbing that was particularly aggressive on fast corners, such as that on turn four at Silverstone, which was the scene of most of the failures. Consequently it was the left-rear tyres that were affected.
The only problems that had come to light before Silverstone were to do with delamination, which was a completely different phenomenon. To stop these delaminations Pirelli found a solution by suggesting that the teams use the tyres that were tried out in Canada from Silverstone onwards. When this proposal was not accepted, Pirelli found another solution through laboratory testing, with a different bonding process to attach the tread to the carcass. So the problem of delamination has nothing at all to do with what was seen in Great Britain.
Article on the BBC http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/23155008 states that pirelli were aware of the l/r swapping of the tyres, and the other "tweaks". Changing tyres is clearly necessary for safety - just hope it's not as unfair on any of the teams as feared.
At the end of the day there will be punctures whatever you do so the tyres should still be designed to remain attached to the wheel even after sudden deflation while doing 200mph.
Nice follow up article about the tyres with pictures here:
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php
(and many many other articles on this on the web, DYOR)Almost all of the F1 Teams use tyre swapping, lower tyre pressure or higher wheel camber settings outside the recommended parameters to gain a performance or control advantage (like tyre heat) whilst failing to appreciate the impact on their misuse on structural integrity of the tyre! Pirelli knew this was happening, but under the FIA rules had no power to mandate teams only use them on the side for which the tyre was designed or to force them to run their recommended tyre pressures or camber settings. Pirelli were not allowed to mandate what teams did, so when teams ignore the recommendations (like: this tyre is marked L, has a rotational direction arrow and is clearly for the LEFT of the car) they were powerless to do anything.
The steel bands used in the construction of the 2013 tyres run diagonally across the tyre which means they *are* directional and will respond to loads differently depending on the side they are mounted, whereas the kevlar-belted 2012 tyres were not directional. So some of the structural issues we have seen in the 2013 tyres are a consequence of the deliberate misuse of the tyre. Putting a correctly used tyre over one of the nastier bits of F1 curbing (e.g. the inside of Turn 4 @ Silverstone) was therefore fine in 2012 and earlier years, but the changed construction of the 2013 tyres meant that when tyres were misused in 2013 it *was* an issue.
From my reading around, all of the teams who suffered tyre problems at Silverstone (including the almost exploded tyre from Vettel's Red Bull) had been tyre swapping, running lower than the recommended minimum tyre pressure or using higher than the maximum recommended camber.
Using a tyre outside its design spec to gain a performance advantage is clearly not a Pirelli problem imo and I am beginning to feel more and more anger towards the teams for putting their drivers in a situation where they could be killed or seriously injured.
Question:- A plane's wings fail structurally & snap off just after take-off and the plane crashes into the ground and all passengers are killed in the ensuing inferno.
- The accident investigation finds that the airline exceeded the aircraft manufacturer's maximum permissible take-off weight by some considerable way, thereby exceeding the maximum wing load design spec and this is what led to the wings failing and subsequent deaths.
- The aircraft manufacturer has no way of ensuring that airlines do not overload the aircraft beyond the recommended maximum loadings.
- Who would you blame for the accident and loss of all souls?
Interesting points TL, I don't think blame lies solely with either party - both have cases to answer.
The most disturbing aspect of this is that obviously the tyre swapping ect was common knowledge. Why didn't Pirelli make a fuss? Surely they must have known that what the teams were doing was potentially dangerous? Were they told to hush it by the FIA?
I'm fairly sure that most of the blame actually points to the FIA (again). They knew that what the teams were doing was potentially unsafe, but did nothing.
Quote from: Tutonic;372492I'm fairly sure that most of the blame actually points to the FIA (again). They knew that what the teams were doing was potentially unsafe, but did nothing.
+1.
FIA are amazingly controlling, so I doubt Pirelli had a chance in hell of changing the way the teams used the tyres without the FIA issuing an edict.
I'm still annoyed though that teams were deliberately misusing the tyres as commonly as they did. It seems we are lucky not to have seen serious accidents before now.
drivers threatening boycott over tyres
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23190671
I suspect Mercedes will be looking for a new main sponsor looking at how BlackBerry are struggling
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http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12433/8805358/
I seems Mclaren, who had two blowouts over the weekend were doing everything Pirelli asked. So I'm not sure it's as simple as blaming the teams for the problems.
Quote from: T-Bag;372529I seems Mclaren, who had two blowouts over the weekend were doing everything Pirelli asked. So I'm not sure it's as simple as blaming the teams for the problems.
Reading what they said with a very suspicious mind, they admitted to ran the cars within recommended tyre pressures, they ran within recommended camber limits, but they did not say that they put the tyres on the correct side of the car. There's lots of photographic evidence of Mclaren tyre swapping throughout the 2013 season, so I'm taking what they said with a large pinch of F1 salt.
Quote from: Washing Machine ComplaintI'd like to complain about our washing machine which failed spectacularly when used as a parachute - at no time did we overload the machine, we used the recommended soap powder and only ran the manufacturer-programmed cycles. At all times we were within the recommended specification but our parachutist still died, albeit cleanly.
Quote from: Lewis Hamiltonwe've been swapping tyres since I started Formula One, so it's been done for many years
And here's a 2013 R tyre put on the Left of a McLaren: (picture from pitpass.com (http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_print_article.php?fes_art_id=49423))
(http://www.pitpass.com/images/features/sommerfield/009a/005.jpg)
The FIA have today ruled that teams must comply with:
-minimum starting pressures and stabilised running pressures
-maximum cambers
-a banning of swapping tyres from side-to-side
If they were tyre swapping then it means their statement was an outright lie.
Quote"All I can say is on behalf of McLaren and McLaren have run the correct specification on all of our tyres as they ran at Silverstone on the car including the tyres that had failures,"
Clearly Left<->Right swapping is not the specification. It might be the norm, but that would be a deliberately misworded response, which is a horrible thing to do.
Fantastic qualifying and race this past weekend with some great over-taking at a circuit which is not known for allowing over-taking. Much respect to Hamilton for getting both pole and the win. Much respect also to Kimi for managing 33 laps on a single set of mediums and holding off Vettel for the last 12 laps or so on those worn rubber rings!
Brilliant F1 weekend, just a darn shame it's a month until the next race now!
Quote from: TeaLeaf;373589Fantastic qualifying and race this past weekend with some great over-taking at a circuit which is not known for allowing over-taking. Much respect to Hamilton for getting both pole and the win. Much respect also to Kimi for managing 33 laps on a single set of mediums and holding off Vettel for the last 12 laps or so on those worn rubber rings!
Brilliant F1 weekend, just a darn shame it's a month until the next race now!
Yes it was a fantastic race. The perfect blend of Strategy (Being called in for a pit stop at a point where Vettel would have been stuck behind RAI if he'd mirrored the stop) and racing (some excellent overtakes on Button and Webber). It's a shame Rosberg got such a poor start and being forced off the track by Massa seemed, to me at least, every bit as bad as the GRO incident which earned him a penalty.
Excellent driving from RAI and BUT. VET was predictably uninspiring when stuck in the pack. GRO was interesting to watch and I generally think the penalty was a little harsh. There have been incidents this season similar to both of his this race that weren't even investigated let alone penalised. I understand you have to be harsh on repeat offenders...but at least be consistent.
hummm....respect to Luca Di Montezemolo, drivers need to sometimes reign in their frustrations, but possible move to redbull?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23495111
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23495111)
Not sure anyone needed reining in, all Alonso said was that the Ferrari was not good enough and that they need to do better. It's been a Ferrari no-go area for years whereas every other driver in the pit lane is allowed to criticise the performance of their own car. All seems a little bit anal on the part of Ferrari?
I think the reporting of Luca's comments were also overstated, he didn't slate Alonso at all as far as I read, he simply made a statement about needing to stick together as a team.
If anyone needs reining in then I can think of an excellent candidate in the Red Bull garage!
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That's true, didn't one driver get the sack from Ferrari for criticising their car? (Prost?) but I still think some of them whine too much, I sometimes think of how the thousands of employees and engineers feel when comments are said, especially those who have worked day and night.
I think it was the private convo between luca and Alonso that caused the 'drama'.
Kimi Raikkonen in 2009? He'd be very vocal about the poor performance of the Ferrari that year, they were being beaten by young upstarts (Red Bull and Brawn GP). Not exactly fired but certainly told his services with no longer required and he was pushed out of Ferrari with a full year left on his contract with them. Allegedly Philip Morris paid the severance and Santander paid his salary for 2010. Allegedly.
....and this is why I just don't see Raikkonen moving to Ferrari (assuming Alonso left for Red Bull or Massa was 'sacked').
btw, did you hear / see any F1 cars this morning in MK?
http://www.speedmonkey.co.uk/2013/07/top-gear-next-sunday-will-feature-f1.html?m=1
[video=youtube;-KxPZGwrBDw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KxPZGwrBDw[/video] (http://www.speedmonkey.co.uk/2013/07/top-gear-next-sunday-will-feature-f1.html?m=1)
FYI this was on Topgear tonight (which was very interesting hearing how much Great Britain contribute to the car / racing world!) as well as Mark Webber in a star in a reasonable priced car
http://www.pitpass.com/49648/Russian-board-rejection-places-Sauber-in-jeopardy
Looks like Sauber might not get that Russian investment after all - and that means we are in danger of losing a team mid-year.... :sad:
And thus rumours spread. Sauber's statement this morning.
Quote from: Sauber F1 Team"Due to erroneous reports and rumours circulating in certain media, we feel compelled to make the following statement:
The collaboration with Russian partners, as announced by us, is progressing well. The contract with driver Sergey Sirotkin is in place. Preparations for his involvement in the team, as likewise announced, will start next week following the end of the customary holiday period in the sector.
Beyond this, initial payments to the team have already been made, as per contract.
A financial involvement on the part of NIAT (National Institute of Aviation Technologies) was never mooted. The plan envisaged a purely technical partnership.
We are astounded at the heedlessness with which some media are prepared to spread false reports and rumours."
Spa this weekend, can't wait but will have to! Eau Rouge again, best corner in the world!
Agreed, bit of news as well that Kimi will not be moving to Redbull after talks 'broke down', I think it may be Ricardo depending Alonso position in Ferrari.
Can't see Alonso leaving Ferrari tbh, so Red Bull go the low cost, low competition risk with Ricciardo imo. Just remember that Red Bull do not have a number 1 driver policy.........it must be true, Horner said so on TV. Multi 21, Adrian...........
I imagine Raikonnen didn't fancy playing second fiddle to Vettell for an entire season, hence the snub.
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Kimi would also probably put him through the wall if vet tried what he did with webber
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Quote from: BrotherTobious;374602Kimi would also probably put him through the wall if vet tried what he did with webber
+1
I'd pay to see that.
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I'd pay to see that.
Get in line theres a que :)
Will Alonso wake up with a horses head in his bed tomorrow?
If what Alesi heard over team radio was confirmed then I think he might have!
So Ferrari confirm Raikkonen for 2014 to drive alongside Alonso!
Firework time!
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Quote from: TeaLeaf;375305So Ferrari confirm Raikkonen for 2014 to drive alongside Alonso!
Firework time!
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I think Alonso will win still. It's hard to tell Kimi's form when he's only against Grosjean though.
Hulkenburg to Lotus? and will Masa fade into the retirement?
Quote from: TeaLeaf;375305So Ferrari confirm Raikkonen for 2014 to drive alongside Alonso!
Firework time!
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I can picture the first press conference....well Kimi, what do you think you can bring to Ferrari...?
"Well a past Ferrari winner is a decent start, eh Fernando ;-)" Another Hamilton/ Alonso situation... great fun.
Quote from: Snokio;375313Hulkenburg to Lotus? and will Masa fade into the retirement?
He definitely deserves a decent car for a change. I imagine that would be the logical choice for Lotus. I think it would be too much of a risk to go with two relatively inexperienced drivers if they went for a new rookie. As for Masa, I doubt anywhere would really want him. He can race, but so can a lot of new talent, it'd be best to snatch someone up before others realise what they can do, rather than go for someone who achieved middling results in an above average car.
Not an exciting race this weekend at the front of the queue, but a fair bit of action further back down the field. Alonso got a reprimand for giving Webber a lift back to the pits after Webber's car blew up and Webber himself got a 10 place grid penalty to be applied at the next race as it was his third infraction of the year.
"Why so serious?" I hear some fans ask of the Stewards. Watch the video and see how close it came to a potentially nasty crash.
Personally I like the fact that they stop to pick other drivers up, it shows their human side, but in this case as it was around a blind corner I can also understand why the penalty was given out. It's not like they were on the side of a straight where they could be easily seen, so it had the potential to be quite nasty. Fortunately nobody was hurt though, other than Webber's chances at the Korean Grand Prix on October 6th.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;375884Personally I like the fact that they stop to pick other drivers up, it shows their human side, but in this case as it was around a blind corner I can also understand why the penalty was given out. It's not like they were on the side of a straight where they could be easily seen, so it had the potential to be quite nasty. Fortunately nobody was hurt though, other than Webber's chances at the Korean Grand Prix on October 6th.
I liked the fact he hitched a ride. I hate the fact he ran out on to the racing line of a blind corner to do so. The penalty was deserved for that. They were both responsible for where Alonso to stopped (Webber waving him down like that didn't give much option) so the fact they were both reprimanded is fair. 10 place grid penalty is just a result from a string of incidents.
When to not flag down a taxi ride:
(http://images.planetf1.com/13/09/496x259/Mark-Webber-invoice_3010604.jpg)
Full story @ PlanetF1:
http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/8943923/Ferrari-invoice-Webber-for-taxi-ride