w00t!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20187897
http://www.oolite.org/
Used to play this on the Spectrum for hours and hours and I'm not sure if a remake will recapture the same emotions.
It was the first game of its type and its uniqueness was its attraction. Fingers crossed the remake, if it gets the £1.2 million needed, will be as enthralling.
Quote from: Penfold;361012w00t!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20187897
I wouldn't get too excited. The man behind this, Elite's co-author (the less talented I might add) David Braben is generally viewed as a money grabbing git who has tried and largely failed to recreated the success of Elite since it was first launched. This recent development is almost certainly down to the success of kickstarter projects like Star Citizen, which Braben will be hoping to cash in on. I personally don't think he has what it takes to rekindle the thrill of the original and I'm not sure if he ever did - I suspect much of that magic came from his partner. In any case he hasn't managed it since despite other games like the X series, freelancer and EVE doing a pretty good job.
My money will be staying with Star Citizen, looks like a much better prospect since they actually prepared and developed their technology for a year or so before their kickstarter, in contrast to Braben who conveniently crawls out of the woodwork looking for funding but has precisely zero substance to show.
Disclaimer: I don't like the guy. :D
He's done more than Ian Bell (http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/) has.
Well. I'm signed up for the £20 pledge limited to first 10,000 peeps, then it's £30 for anyone else.
I used to spend a lot of time in Which Space shooting Thargoids and collecting the Tharglets.
Quote from: Liberator;361019He's done more than Ian Bell (http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/) has.
Well. I'm signed up for the £20 pledge limited to first 10,000 peeps, then it's £30 for anyone else.
I used to spend a lot of time in Which Space shooting Thargoids and collecting the Tharglets.
Reading this interview should give a fair idea of why Ian Bell has been... less than productive (particularly the answer to the last question). :) And also why I dislike David Braben. Ironically, today's game publishing world is ripe for him to make a comeback since he'd fit right in with that cesspool of amoral sharks.
http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/archive/b5081501.htm
Quote from: b00n;361021Reading this interview should give a fair idea of why Ian Bell has been... less than productive (particularly the answer to the last question). :) And also why I dislike David Braben. Ironically, today's game publishing world is ripe for him to make a comeback since he'd fit right in with that cesspool of amoral sharks.
http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/archive/b5081501.htm
Actually, no it doesn't, it's an archived interview posted on his own website where he has had to remove certain sections because of the way he responded. All it says is that he had a falling out with David Braben who continued to produce games and run a small software company in a way which produced a profit. Why would that stop him doing his own programming for another company.
Just reads whiny to me.
Quote from: Liberator;361024Actually, no it doesn't, it's an archived interview posted on his own website where he has had to remove certain sections because of the way he responded. All it says is that he had a falling out with David Braben who continued to produce games and run a small software company in a way which produced a profit. Why would that stop him doing his own programming for another company.
Just reads whiny to me.
The point I was trying to make more subtly than I am about to is that he comes across as a hippy slacker. Which is fine by me, even today many programmers would fall into that category and some have been among the smartest people I know. If the man isn't interested in writing code any more that's his business.
Braben making a profit is fine. Braben, or anyone else for that matter, making a profit by exploiting the work of others without giving credit, and attempting to use the legal system to strongarm those same people, is not fine.
Quote from: b00n;361027Braben making a profit is fine. Braben, or anyone else for that matter, making a profit by exploiting the work of others without giving credit, and attempting to use the legal system to strongarm those same people, is not fine.
Not really using the legal system to strong-arm. A solicitors note saying please clarify the statement as it may be misinterpreted, they removed text instead of explaining it in the question itself. And that interview is over 10 years old.
More recently the pair of them appeared at a GameCity convention in 2009 (http://www.edge-online.com/features/elite-reunion/) and although they didn't hug and kiss, they shared the same message.
Brabens a trustee of the Raspberry Pi foundation and seems to be putting a lot back into the future of programming and teaching the new generation, also the few releases from Frontier developments over recent years seem to be pushing the new technologies of the time.
Not giving credit where credit is due is not to be forgiven and from the interview it is a statement which is prefaced with "I am lead to believe" which is damming him for the Chris Sawyer source coded. That's obviously something for Chris Sawyer to comment on, not Ian Bell.
But on the whole he seems to be doing more from where he is than any of the major publishers to promote future programmers.
Either way, I'll judge the KickStarter by what I receive.
Worth the money for a pledge. It's already looking both good and true to Elite.
Elite was one of the first games I ever bought for myself for my old BBC Micro back in 1984. Yep, a gamer for 3 decades!!
[video=youtube;P5JYRyhxYhI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P5JYRyhxYhI[/video]
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous?ref=live
These guys are really close to me on the Cambridge Science park.
They were demoing it the other day at some meet in the conference centre so stopped by to have a gander.
Looks good!
I'm looking forward to this and it is the first project I have pledged to on Kickstarter. Time is running out though and it looks like it is going to be tight on whether they get the funds or not. They have released lots of media in the last few days. The most recent vid is pretty nice:
Well, they did it, the largest successful KickStarter target to date (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20897768). It was looking close in the last few days, but the actually ended up getting £1.5 million, half a million over the last few days alone.
And it's looking quite good.
[video=youtube;Xg9k7E4ngFw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg9k7E4ngFw[/video]
Premium Beta Bought to go with my pledge. Single Pilot version already available and the Premium Beta starts on Friday!! Looks amazing I have to say. I shall secure the dMw Clan if possible.
Good man I am on the waiting list for full game release
I'm watching from the sideline in a sort of 'might need something to fill my gaming life between now and SC release' way :P
£100 for beta access seems extreme to me (yeah, I know about SC!), so I'll wait and see.
Well I took a punt on both, as I was hedging the bets.
That's why I'm not so keen on Elite and on Braben himself. SC gave you a choice as to how much you spent. Braben doesn't. I've always suspected (with absolutely no real evidence to back the idea up ) that he's about making lots of money rather than about making the greatest game. Paying £100 for the priviledge of helping to bug fix their game seems a very grubby and 'Brabenesque' idea. I'll pass.
I'm not saying I won't end up playing it, but I felt the price point was the issue. They were selling £200 alpha slots earlier!
I admit to preferring the SC model, lower entry cost, then up to you how much you spend in backing the game - the Elite entry price level for alpha is almost six times the SC price level. :blink:
I'll probably end up playing it anyway, but I might wait until the $40 game is released instead!
I pledged £25 whilst back in the UK and got â,¬42 off the â,¬120 Premium Beta pack. Which is for Premium Beta, Game Download license and ALL DLC for the full game (normally â,¬40). The deal is awesome. â,¬38 for the 6 possible months of beta is value to me given Alpha 4.01 was totally playable if the 40 mins on you tube are anything to go by. You've already set expectation that the SC alpha may be unplayable but the point of alpha is to stablise the product. I think you will be pleasantly surprised how fast SC alpha becomes fun.
In the end I want a drop on and off space flight game with little complexity hence Elite.
Edit: I'm in love with this game already and I've hardly done the training scenarios :) Can't wait to fail docking 100 times before nailing it!
I just got this as a way to better judge SC. ( and that it was my first space game on my BBC computer in 1984-85, I needed to support that)
I like it, it is much slower paced than SC, feels " simpler" in a good way. Less cluttered, less turn speed. Has realtime "jumps" etc. But I can't say that it is better, I think that will depend on how we play it.
Feels good anyway.
New Elite Dangerous Trailer
http://youtu.be/ISR4ebdGlOk
E3 Sneak Peek!
http://www.gamespot.com/videos/e3-2014-elite-dangerous-developer-demo/2300-6419611/
i think if SC was'nt about we would be looking at this alot more.
I am..because I'm not decided on SC. I love it.
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Two totally different takes on the same genre. Easily room for both.
http://youtu.be/9wXx3vMy_AQ
Totally agree with OB. Meanwhile. I ordered one of these for use with Flight Sims and Elite, maybe the odd FPS. Arma seems to be greatly enhanced by this. The video looks awesome.
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I've been hovering over the 'BUY' button for a Track IR too! Arma is defintely enhanced by it and I can see it going down great in not just Arma but also the new race sims (AC and Project Cars) as well as the space sims. Track IR plus the voice commands should make the next 12-24 months super interesting on the gaming front!
As for Elite, I've been unable to rationalise my two
totally conflicting and illogical opinions:
- £200 for the Elite alpha access was, I felt, extortionate.
- I felt that £100 for the Beta Access package was expensive.
- But I thought that several hundred pounds on Star Citizen vaporware was great value. :blink:
Go figure! :doh:
It's mad I know, but that's the way my brain has latched on to SC, there's something in it that has grabbed my attention! Having said that, I will almost certainly buy Elite: Dangerous once it is released. I loved the original BBC model B game and feel the need to play it again, but my interim beta dollars are headed to SC not Elite.
I diverted the Alpha money to the TrackIR fund and only got the Beta, not regretting the Beta so far, apart from the AI ship in the Conflict Missions I just simply cannot kill The Crimson Triumph, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2ccMZWEBw0 now that I have by Flight Stick setup. I beat this guy after 3 tries with a mouse. He's really difficult to shake when he gets behind you. The TrackIR should help me, but also landing in the Coriolis Spaceport is supposed to be made better by improving the view. This guy got an easy landing pad directly ahead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ft8MNo6LY
I use TrackIr, and that is one of the problems with AC. It does not work yet. In Elite on the other hand it is gorgeous! Relay good, like when you look down to the sides the UI panels pop up, no need to press anything. Nice. Inside a Spaceport it is easy to spot your dock and land. Dogfighting, much easier to stay on the tails, because you look up and can easy adjust thrust and angle of attach.
As a multiplayer coop game, I think Elite has much less to offer than SC. It is not seem to designed towards that, but as a single player multiplayer (!) it might work. One man, one ship in a huge universe. The only gripe I have now, is that it is impossible to do trading without losing your cargo to pirates. Even over a few runs, with winning fights with the pirates, the hull repairs is costing more than I am earning.
Still, it is very good to have until SC/AC matures. I expect the trading bugs to be fixed soon. And as they expand the universe, it is a nice game to have.
Aye TrackIR is not yet implemented, but it will be.
The thing that keeps blowing me away is that I enjoy the AC right now - yet there are so many things that they have not yet implemented or fine-tuned - and that means the game has the potential to be awesome in release form!
I was on the Kickstarter for ED, but only for the final released version. That TrackIR vid is a damn good advert.
Not many places selling it, just two that I can find and FlightStore seems to be the best at £139.99 for v5, hat clip and headset tracking dot frame, plus free delivery. Amazon is the same place and price, but are adding £2.99 for P&P.
Googling seems to find a 10% code for the armed forces, but nothing for us civies. Quick scan through my "Pilot" mags shows none either, :(
I still have a bad Electronic Arts feeling about Elite. All Star citizen required was $40.00 and for that you got the Alpha, Beta, single player game and multiplayer game. It was honest and straightforward. If you wanted to you could spend more, in fact you could spend thousands on the really big packages. But the important thing was you didn' have to and Chris roberts didn't expect you to. Elite however has had some really ugly pricing for early access to Alpha and beta and for me that smacks of and EA style model, which I don't like. £200 is obscene and really puts me off having anything to do with Elite. Maybe if we didn't have anything to compare it to I'd feel kinder towards the game. But with the 800lb gorilla that is Star Citizen sat next to it, doing a much better job and asking for a much smaller initial payment, Elite seems more like another grubby conduit to empty my wallet rather than a game made with passion and love.
Quote from: Liberator;385436I was on the Kickstarter for ED, but only for the final released version. That TrackIR vid is a damn good advert.
Not many places selling it, just two that I can find and FlightStore seems to be the best at £139.99 for v5, hat clip and headset tracking dot frame, plus free delivery. Amazon is the same place and price, but are adding £2.99 for P&P.
Googling seems to find a 10% code for the armed forces, but nothing for us civies. Quick scan through my "Pilot" mags shows none either, :(
cant rate the track ir enough i have the pro version, which is the hat clip and the headset tracker...is very very good, especially in arma and fsx, and yes i did take advantage of the 10% armed forces discount on amazon :narnar:
Quote from: TeaLeaf;384691£100 for beta access seems extreme to me (yeah, I know about SC!), so I'll wait and see.
Remember that the Premium Beta also includes the £35 expansion pass or what it is called. The Beta does not, so you'll have to buy that later anyway if you want the expansions.
Quote from: vobler;385472Remember that the Premium Beta also includes the £35 expansion pass or what it is called. The Beta does not, so you'll have to buy that later anyway if you want the expansions.
Exactly what I said earlier but in Euros for me. In the end I paid â,¬38 for the Beta part of the package which is the 6 months of gameplay I get out of it before it's actually released to the full version contributors. I've never done this type of pre-release thing before and wouldn't do it for an EA Game (Smilo) but if you look at the info and support that is being given to Elite alpha and beta testers as well as the press the game is getting, an EA experience is something that it's not. Maybe you're hoping it will be since you're not going to buy it, I hope for those of us who have or will your view turns out to be wrong :eyebrow:. Certainly doesn't feel like a wallet emptier to me. I prefer to pay a fair price and not be pulled into repeat payments for the lifecycle of the game. If the game has quality it will sell itself.
I'm just aware of Boons earlier comments about Braben. I'm not very confident in his motivation for making this game and the overly complicated pricing model isn't filling me with confidence. If it's a great game and sensibly priced I'd certainly be interested. But if it's all access passes, premium this and premier that with loads of episodic content and DLC then I think I'll pass.
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Newsletter #28 is out
A lot of new stuff in next weeks Premium Beta 2
http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=09a3391149&e=f9a9cf06d0
Quote from: sulky_uk;385462cant rate the track ir enough i have the pro version, which is the hat clip and the headset tracker...is very very good, especially in arma and fsx, and yes i did take advantage of the 10% armed forces discount on amazon :narnar:
Damn you all to heck..... I have a new friend on the top of my monitor.
Quote from: Liberator;385546Damn you all to heck..... I have a new friend on the top of my monitor.
hahahahahah hahaha ahaha
Still waiting for mine. Darn rubbish Dutch website.
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Just my thoughts, but I'm loving it. Sure the trading model is broken at the moment, and my combat skills suck, but there's something about the game that I find really engaging and so end up playing it a lot. For me it still has the feeling of the Beeb version, and the idea of being able to explore the galaxy is one reason it appeals to me, and I will be playing, hopefully, as a trader/explorer when more systems get added. If I want to fly around and shoot things up I'll play World of Warplanes. I shelled out for premium beta access through Kickstarter, which gives you more start options and not just the extras mentioned on this forum. I thought the cost worth it, just to get the game started, as did appoximately 10,000 others, and when you look at some other Kickstarter campaigns, not bad value for money. Don't know about TrackIR, but I borrowed a mates Oculus Rift and that just blew me away, so that is on my shopping list now. Just my tupenn'orth
David Braben answers alot of questions on this page:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/13/live_chat_david_braben/
Quote from: Itchy;385621Just my thoughts, but I'm loving it. Sure the trading model is broken at the moment, and my combat skills suck, but there's something about the game that I find really engaging and so end up playing it a lot. For me it still has the feeling of the Beeb version, and the idea of being able to explore the galaxy is one reason it appeals to me, and I will be playing, hopefully, as a trader/explorer when more systems get added. If I want to fly around and shoot things up I'll play World of Warplanes.
I agree completely. ED is very close to have a complete functional game loop. Later this summer, I expect in the Beta, he says we will have matchmaking and friends lists. This and groups will make it possible to go fly with your friends. Even simple trading might be much safer with an escort.
I'm looking forward to tomorrow to see what they have for us in Premium Beta 2.
Elite background info
Here is a novel for you to read:
http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/dkwheel.htm
Here is the old Elite manual.
http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/manual.htm
Edit:
Old Elite Library
http://www.lotf.co.uk/lib.shtml
Nice Cobra "review"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQOAtB1LKRM
Video showing "silent running" hide&seek (turning off systems) and Bounty Hunting in Elite Dangerous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvl7uaR1sfI
I need to stop looking at this game!
The new Premium Beta 2 build is out. With a HUGE list of fixes and new things. (they needed two forum posts)
http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=22812
I just did a cargo trip and it is working flawlessly. No problems.
But it is sooo shiny
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Finally got my Flight Stick working reliably. I have to say the docking station view and landing procedure is awesome. I really didn't take time to look into the layout and the detail before as I was just trying not to crash because of my constantly rolling ship. The different things going on around you in the space station hanger is amazing. vehicles driving around the walls, salvage even floating around waiting to be picked up.
I'm becoming a dab hand at navigating the ship menu controls but haven't quite got the hang of the best way to route power around the systems in the ship depending on ho I'm doing in battle.
I assume routing to weapons makes them recharge faster, to engines helps in moving and systems for repairing and recovery?
I now need to work out how to jump to another station to sell my meagre 4 units of grain! (wow I hear you say!).
Quote from: vobler;385627Later this summer, I expect in the Beta, he says we will have matchmaking and friends lists. This and groups will make it possible to go fly with your friends. Even simple trading might be much safer with an escort.
I'm looking forward to that aspect. Trading runs in a large ship, or exploring uncharted areas, with an escort could be interesting. Even using an apparently lone Hauler as pirate bait....
Video from Premium Beta 2 with the new Starport and the new freighter ship. (You can also see the Anaconda and the Lacon Type 9)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex2nGIvbiVI
i'll be buying this on release but i'll be buying my ships in sc
To people that are thinking about Elite, I was thinking of writing something up, but when I found this in the ED forums I decided to steal it from a user there as it is very informative and I could not write it as good:
There is no need to buy Premium Beta for $150 if financial situation does not allow it. PB will probably end in about 2 months. Standard Beta is $75 and presumably should be released in August and if you pre-order the game now for $50 you can participate in Gamma, which will be a feature complete game and there are no resets planned after Gamma is released (well, unless major bugs are found). Hopefully Gamma will be released in September. Expansion pass costs $50, however, there is no need to buy it now as the first major expansion is planned in about a year after the full release, so plenty of time.
Planning on going to LAVECON in Kettering next weekend as tickets are only £15 an it's not too far to drive. I'll let you guys know what I think when I've had a play!
Somebody put togheter a beginners guide:
http://ragingteapot.blogspot.co.uk/
Newsletter 29 is out.
Beta date announced
http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=1824c0b05a
Quote from: vobler;385743Newsletter 29 is out.
Beta date announced
http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=1824c0b05a
Also, (as Toby pointed out to me) they are dropping the £35 "Lifetime Expansion pack" from sale (29th July) and going to a per expansion model.
So I added that to my £20 Early backer Kickstarter :coolio:.
While I was on there Toby forced me to buy one of the £3.50 pin badges. I was expecting to see a £5 p&p pop up, but it came up as £0.00.
Not a bad price at all for a little pin badge.
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So, updated with todays Newsletter info, here's the prices for those finding it a little complex.
Elite Dangerous = £35
Elite Dangerous Lifetime Expansion Pack = £35 (until 29th July, then per expansion pricing model) - No longer availableEarly AccessStd Beta (Current Beta access)
= Elite dangerous + Beta access
= £50
Prem Beta = Elite Dangerous + Lifetime Expansion Pk + Instant Beta Access = £100 (Last sale day = 15th July) - No longer availableZaonce (https://store.zaonce.net/)
Video about Stealth & Heat Mechanics in Elite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBkP1QaKuBM
Thanks for the info Lib!
Quote from: vobler;385836Video about Stealth & Heat Mechanics in Elite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBkP1QaKuBM
All the odd comments about
Quote"Keeping your ship cold so you don't appear on radar"
had me worried for a moment :g: but pedantry aside it's a nice informative vid, cheers.
Quote from: smilodon;385839All the odd comments about had me worried for a moment :g:
He corrected it to scanner. Yeah, I liked it too.
This seems to be a nice presentation from David Braben about Elite Design and Philosophy.
(Haven't seen it all yet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rOYhoFYIWmw#t=379
Looks nice.
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Quote from: Liberator;385868Looks nice.
:dribble:
Newsletter #30 is out.
http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=dcbf6b86b4b0c7d1c21b73b1e&id=ddf8da5f8b
Friends, Groups and Communications confirmed for Beta 1 on 29. of July
Wehey!
Quote from: Liberator;385753Also, (as Toby pointed out to me) they are dropping the £35 "Lifetime Expansion pack" from sale (29th July) and going to a per expansion model.
So I added that to my £20 Early backer Kickstarter :coolio:.
While I was on there Toby forced me to buy one of the £3.50 pin badges. I was expecting to see a £5 p&p pop up, but it came up as £0.00.
Not a bad price at all for a little pin badge.
So, updated with todays Newsletter info, here's the prices for those finding it a little complex.
Elite Dangerous = £35
Elite Dangerous Lifetime Expansion Pack = £35 (until 29th July, then per expansion pricing model)
And while he was no way near me or talking to me LIB made my purchase the life time expansion pack to go along with my new TrackIR5
Success at last, some of my previous attempts at remote mind control didn't end well, not well at all.
It would appear that I need to stick with weak, simple minded targets while I fine tune the process.
Good job you bought when you did, as it's now no longer available.
Login was unavailable last night so maybe today!!! If Clan creation is possible. DeadMenWalking is the way to go in terms of naming
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dont you mean Dead Men Walking?
:)
Quote from: BrotherTobious;386631dont you mean Dead Men Walking?
:)
If it can do it then that version if indeed preferred! Iirc I don't get access until release, so I'll find out what you managed in due course!
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Just so used to no spaces in names and we dislike underscore don't we :)
For those of you not wanting to fork out for the Premium Beta but you already pre-ordered the final game ..... £15 now additional to get on the beta!
Well worth it in my opinion. Just getting to grips with the games new features now and it's much fun, joystick essential, track ir optional but beneficial !
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Yesterday, I went to the Dead Men front page and realized that there was a Teamspeak channel for Elite now, and there where people in it!
I ran down and fired up TS and Elite to have my first Elite multiplayer game night.
We where 4 people there for a couple of hours, running trading and generally getting to know the game. Albert had created a Private group so we where like in our own server (but with NPC's of course)
It was great and I hope to do it as often as I can in the future. Everyone please join, and go tell the 40+ in the SC camp too.
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Nice view and Anaconda!
So you took the plunge and got an Anaconda! Great!
Just before leaving yesterday I upgraded my Cobra to a Lakon Type 6. I have little money so I will do some food runs between Aulin and iBootis over the weekend. Synthetic Meat one way and Fish the other way. Hope I survive until I have money for insurance.... :-) If not, no big deal, there will be a wipe soon anyway.... :-)