As the title says...
What do you guys need?....
As you know ive always compensated my gaming exp for the guild.....
Lich king you needed a disc priest....there was Switchbak
Cata the shadow wasn't needed so I re rolled to dr00d to help rgw
Panda land... I went back to the preist,.....My fave char by far....
So now. RGT aren't raiding as you should due to gaps and it is only going to get worse... You have recently got a disc priest in and full on shadow. Jesung should be coming bk and milly is leaving...
Hal with work wont be about so that s a tank down?!
Here it is then....
I can offer "a" class.....what it is is up to the officers and also to the members of RGT.
I want to raid.
I can offer 2 nights a week.
Thurs and sundays.
Given the call I can grind which char to expectant lvl and gear lvl to get boosted for 1 or 2 weeks to then fit in and help the raid.
So I have on offer a shadow /disc to jump in now or...
a b00m (meh)
a warr tank still meh but not so bad as the druid.
Personally I think a guild member coming in is better than recruiting but im putting it to not just the officers but RGT members also...
Personally as an RGT member, I feel that if we can recruit within our ranks then thats better for us. There are members within the guild that were raiders in RGW who are very good and seem committed to the guild - because they are still in guild and havent left for pastures a' new. I feel that with people like Switch offering to help us, join us, surely this is not a bad thing and will help us no end. I am aware of token balance, but, in my little head, the way I see that is, well, if we dont have enough people to kill said bosses where the tokens are hiding away, then there will be no token for anyone.
hugs
ayla/zolena xx
I can offer RGT, if needed ofcourse, my DK Tank(ok)/dps(meh), My monk (dps/tank about the same) and my Shamy healer. I can also get my paly up and running if needed as Tank/Heals.
Will try to figure out with work if i can get home a bit earlier for the raidnights. Sundays I normally should not have to work. But a planning is still being made, because the company I work for has just opened its doors, but I'll keep you posted on this
Cheers Odds ;D
Quote from: ayla;371576Personally as an RGT member, I feel that if we can recruit within our ranks then thats better for us. There are members within the guild that were raiders in RGW who are very good and seem committed to the guild - because they are still in guild and havent left for pastures a' new. I feel that with people like Switch offering to help us, join us, surely this is not a bad thing and will help us no end. I am aware of token balance, but, in my little head, the way I see that is, well, if we dont have enough people to kill said bosses where the tokens are hiding away, then there will be no token for anyone.
hugs
ayla/zolena xx
I have been saying for weeks that we should recruit the player and not the class.. yesterday we called another raid because we were missing people and people that signed up did not show.
Id rather have 10 people on my token and actually raid then having a perfect balance and not being able to raid.
Also maybe like i said a few weeks ago, dont we have people already on a token that might be able to reroll?
We have 2 tanks as pally? cant one reroll?
We have TL as a shadow priest but i know he has a shammy as well?
Just a few idea's i trew out there before :)
Id gladly welcome switch to the group and i dont mind what class that would be, good raider and knows what hes doing.
Its a lot like what both switch and hubbah have said, we`d rather go with a group, than without.
The old bring the player, not the class mantra has been mentioned looong ago, nothing seemed to happen on that front from my own experience.
I`ve been quite busy over the last few months, with writing my thesis and two other projects, it now quite again, and i would like to do something.. you know, like raid ...
yeh just get him in and lets get cozy in there :)
I can understand frustrations .... and we do as much as possible recruit from within
Just so people can understand it from our side these are some of the consideration points when we need to fill spots
Attendance ... Without solid attendance we cant raid. Its as near as damit to 3 nights. If we go less we need a bigger roster to cover. If we have a bigger roster we gear up and learn slower
Class needs... Whatever blizz say about it being the player not the class is a myth if your wanting to work on progress you may need a specific roll to cover some fight mechanics. To a lesser extent loot distribution and a better balance helps gearing quicker
Gear levels ... Fights are designed around gear and its simple liner raid progression. Some shortcuts can be done but its usually in the form of some rep (time sink). RGT are working on heroics with 520-530ilvl with most using 2/4 set bonus. It feels like we still need more
Performance.. You have all the above but still have problems with output / fight mechanics
Re-rolls... it just moves the problem along and its a last resort. Its also can be preasuring people to play a class or roll that they dont enjoy and thats unfair. Again we then need to gear up
Team synergy...you could be the best player in the world and just not get on with the team. Or you could just not be competitive compared to the rest of the team. The knob factor but we dont get many and we soon find them
I know a few people are interested in spots but it will hurt us down the line if we just bring people in and ignore the points above.
Even if we ignore attendance we still have problems with gear. Gear can be fixed but it will stall the raid as we gear up people.
People raid for different reasons. Whatever floats your boat some like the team spirit some like the challenge some just want to progress. RGT as a whole want to work on hard/heroic content. If we increase the roster we get more bench time. That can be unfair as we have most players around 100% attendance so why should they sit. If we ease off and become more social raiding we loose the people that want to push content. We have seen it before
Last couple of weeks we have been trying to push normal runs on a friday...Last week we made it in and saw just how difficult it is to kill anything without being at the right ilvl 500+min. Apart from it just being a nice Friday playing wow the bonus of it would mean players can get some gear to actually be of use if we are short for the raid. (its summer and attendance is always lower so any support its always welcomed) So get your name down and turn up :P
We don't always get it right but that's why we put people on trials to make sure they can cover what we need. Im all for people letting us know they want to raid and if we know they always get considered before we look outside the guild and I think we have spoke to everyone in the past regarding availability ect.
Attendance - Random name was in and never been able to raid more then 2 days a week?
Class needs. - He told you he would reroll if that was what you needed ( even though he would like to play his favorite class )
Gear levels - can be fixed and you will need to fix it for the person you get from outside as well
Performance - hes a beter player then others we had in.
Re-rolls - yes it takes the problem along but it would fix this problem we have had for months ( which im getting quite frustrated with, seeing i talked to you ( other officers ) about it for quite a few times now in the past months )
Team synergy - This isnt great as it is now, some people dont get along and some people want more then others. so no idea what the problem here is :)
hey m8s
I can be online Thursday, Sunday and Tuesday. from 19:45 to 1:00.
so if you need a mage ilvl 512 (I know that you already have 2) plz call me, I would return to participate in a raid ..
usually ive a 100% Attendance, and I enjoy a lot more, to sit on the bench but take part in a raid that make tons of LFR and daily
always ready, hermy
Thanks for the support all, but I don't want this to turn into an argument or debate on how things are run.
My main point was RGT are suffering from lack of attendance and it is going to get worse....
Milly Moos is pursuing a great venture in RL so is stepping down from RGT. This leaves you 1 dps spot short, as has been said the attendance isn't as it should be currently.
Hal....this is his busiest time of the year work wise....Great news that means he can pay for the LAN and a few beers and we can all see him again :yahoo:...yet RGT are going to be without a tank. BIG PROBLEMS. You have 2 tanks.....
I don't want to get into the nitty gritty of it all as I say....Yet you have taken on players who are undergeared than what the core of RGT are yet that was fine. Some 1 states on their app that they can make 2 nights but a 3rd could be a pain, yet again was taken on.... Again new players coming in who haven't raided the instance or with DMR...You know I can raid. I was a RL!
As you state Jas, with summer coming it will get worse also. I was just trying to offer my help...If its causing a head-ache then don't worry bout it.
I know Milly isn't leaving yet and I know Hal isn't too busy yet that's why ive offered to take the next few weeks grinding a char for the guild.
Sorry if I've touch a nerve with a few people, please don't use this as rant thread about how things are run. The officers do a bloody good and tough job!
Whys my name been brought up aplenty all of a sudden? My RL with work dictates when I can not raid - I've changed a lot of things in RL to allow me to raid on Tue and Thu.
I do not know why fingers are being pointed in my direction hubbah with only
Being able to raid "1's" I think you said. Last month is en of season with football, and with work shift patterns and games being played I'm lucky I even made it as many times as I have.
There are times when I have set myself
To perhaps unavailable - but if short
Will upset the Mrs in order to come
Online.
This isn't a post looking for thanks or anything. I understood what it took to be part of this great team. But with RL taking a different path from what it has been. I unfortunately cannot commit fully (or as much as I can) to the team so hence must step down.
I thank all those that I have raided with, past and present, with us and those that have moved on. Ive had fair share of misunderstandings with some but all for the better I feel.
This topic has sidetracked somewhat I feel - I agree with hat a lot that has been said. Switch is volunteering to play what's needed and if he can make those raid nights I wish him all the very best of luck. As has been stated (and sorry if I've got this wrong) but by all means make your posts, replies, quotes etc, but leave people's names out of it.
Again if what I've interpreted is taken incorrectly I apologise, just a lot going on at home that stressed as it is without reading my name and what ive failed to do in the past.
Although playing and learning 2 completely new classes and raiding with them feels an achievement in itself.
Milly moos, as I've stated in previous posts I don't want people to point fingers or moan/rant about how things are I was just offering my services so to speak.
I mention you, as I know in the future you will be stepping down due to your fantastic opportunity in RL. Sorry if it comes across differently.
In regards to raising and raiding with other toons.... I've done it for the guild before....
I was just peaking the 2000 Arena team ranking but the guild needed a disc priest... A class I've never played....
I lvled 1 and that ment SOG could carry on clearing lk.
I raided as shadow to start in cata but my attendance was rubbish!
A resto drood was needed.... Guess what?
Moon was lvled and for the part I was top heals in the raid and when I jumped in to help rgt also.
Now the priest is main again.
Anywho the thread has gone abit sideways and sorry to any that feel aggrieved by it.
It's obvious I'm not going to get a spot which is a shame.
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Quote from: Milli;371630Whys my name been brought up aplenty all of a sudden? My RL with work dictates when I can not raid - I've changed a lot of things in RL to allow me to raid on Tue and Thu.
I do not know why fingers are being pointed in my direction hubbah with only
Being able to raid "1's" I think you said. Last month is en of season with football, and with work shift patterns and games being played I'm lucky I even made it as many times as I have.
There are times when I have set myself
To perhaps unavailable - but if short
Will upset the Mrs in order to come
Online.
This isn't a post looking for thanks or anything. I understood what it took to be part of this great team. But with RL taking a different path from what it has been. I unfortunately cannot commit fully (or as much as I can) to the team so hence must step down.
I thank all those that I have raided with, past and present, with us and those that have moved on. Ive had fair share of misunderstandings with some but all for the better I feel.
This topic has sidetracked somewhat I feel - I agree with hat a lot that has been said. Switch is volunteering to play what's needed and if he can make those raid nights I wish him all the very best of luck. As has been stated (and sorry if I've got this wrong) but by all means make your posts, replies, quotes etc, but leave people's names out of it.
Again if what I've interpreted is taken incorrectly I apologise, just a lot going on at home that stressed as it is without reading my name and what ive failed to do in the past.
Although playing and learning 2 completely new classes and raiding with them feels an achievement in itself.
This was not an atack on you or to you, i was just stating that the points jas brought up havent been lived up too 100% of the time so why start now.
I could have said my own name or hal or guru, just an example nothing more.
I never pointed any fingers to you in the past and im the last one to speak when it comes to giving RL prio to the game.
You have misread all i tried to say, no need to get all defensive.
Also i just dont understand why we keep having this issue, here we have a good raider and loyal person to the guild and what i consider a friend trying to help the guild ( he has been in for YEARS ) by offering 3 different classes on 3 different tokens and none of the officers is jumping to it.
I see at least 3 RAIDERS in this treat saying Great thanks get him in.
Anyway, you already know i have been getting frustrated to bits with this and things like this i cannot understand and im 100% sure im not the only one.
Do whatever you want though, ill be online for tonight. Hopefully people will show up and we can actually get the raid going.
To a large extent this thread exemplifies the complexity of running a raid and keeping all the people happy all of the time. TS can avoid the misinterpretations of a forum post and that's also why most officer discussions are on TS.
There are many things we can do right here and right now to solve problems. The issue is that many of these 'solutions' create other problems, some of which we are not at liberty to discuss on the open forum, others we are.
Please remember it's summer and we will always have a few hiccups in the holiday season but that we will make it through this as we always do.
Meanwhile, Jas, Whitey & Hal are continuing to work hard for the guild to try to keep most of us happy most of the time :p
Me? I'm not working at all...... I'm on holiday enjoying the view from my balcony!
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Ill have a chat with Jas and maybe whitey before hand tonight. Have fun on vacation TL, have a few beers for me!
Totally agree TL and I don't want it to turn in to a moany/rant thread!
As Simon says enjoy a beer for us !
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