So, Valve are developing an operating system: http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/
T (http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/)Houghts? It'll either be a niche thing for folks who really,
really want to play TF2 on their TV - or it could knock Windows into a cocked hat and become the gamers OS of choice.
RPS, as ever, deliver a nice write-up here: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/09/23/after-glados-valve-releasing-steamos/
M (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/09/23/after-glados-valve-releasing-steamos/)y favourite quote:
Quote If you see Microsoft staring at the ground, they’re probably looking for one of the balls they dropped.
I'm really quite excited by this. It's got some killer features (open source? free? STREAMING?) - I reckon if Valve can pair it up with some nice, cheap hardware then they're onto a big winner here.
Just just a bog standard linux distro with a nice skin and some daemons and apps running out of the box on it.
Now don't get me wrong that's not bad at all in fact is great as this will get more people using linux and improve gaming on linux which is where we should all be! Its just nothing that isnt already out there as there are a million different distros currently.
Looking forward to it though as I would love everything in the steam library to run on Linux!
DZ
This thing will live or die based on the streaming. I'm not going to put SteamOS on my main PC. I'm perfectly fine with windows, and I can play far more games with Steam on windows than on Linux. But if the rumours are true and there'll be a streaming Steambox for $100, that lets me play games on my TV via my PC, that's tempting...but not if performance sucks.
It's tempting for a number of reasons, but primarily is not from a gaming point of view. It lets me hook up a genuine linux server to my TV. If I can play media across the network, and access Netflix etc, I'm sold. Even the rumoured more powerful version for $300 that can handle games in its own right would look like good value for money with those features.
BUT, on the other hand, if the streaming sucks, I'm left with a device that might not be beefy enough to play many games, and might lack the support for playing media across the network. In which case I'd have wasted a lot of money. There are already tons of Android based devices that do more than that.
Guessing it will be a hardened linux distro they will be using, so there won't be free access to fiddle around with everything.
I think you're missing the point.
If Valve have managed to convince some major studios to port their games to Linux, and sorted out the atrocious drivers which have always held Linux back, then long-term it could be a viable replacement for Windows on a gaming desktop.
Quote from: Tutonic;375869I think you're missing the point.
If Valve have managed to convince some major studios to port their games to Linux, and sorted out the atrocious drivers which have always held Linux back, then long-term it could be a viable replacement for Windows on a gaming desktop.
Nah im just not convinced of the products survivability.
Cheap solution: wont have the hardware to run the AAA titles by far, not even on a low consuming Linux platform. So it's streamed gaming, which is horrible, so many have tried, so many have failed supplying a good solid streamed gaming platform, which can compete with old fashion rigs.
Onlive is a failure.
Gaikai is a big money sink for SOE atm.
the platinum one, 300$ bucks... well it might be more beefy hardware, still the price sets a fairly low limit for gaming. Guessing it will be some Haswell chip, probably the laptop oriented Intel Haswell with Iris pro HD5200. Which as currect tests show barely have the power to handle AAA titles from last year, then you need to add storage, and other bits to the budget and dang. So were back to streaming again, which doesnt really come down to the local platform, but more connection speeds and latency. Which is crap anyway.
Yeah a greater portfolio of Linux ported games would be incredible, but still trying to figure out how Valve would make this compete with dedicated rigs anyway.
but then again, just my thoughts.
The streaming is local - it will go across your LAN from your existing Windows PC:
QuoteYou can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!
So you can have your beefy Windows gaming rig hidden away in a back room somewhere, with a small low-power Linux box (maybe even a Raspberry Pi?) connected up to a TV in the lounge - with the game streamed from one to the other. Latency shouldn't be an issue, since you're only going across your local LAN.
At least, that's how I understand it :) I guess we'll find out a bit more in the coming weeks....
Quote from: Tutonic;375877The streaming is local - it will go across your LAN from your existing Windows PC:
So you can have your beefy Windows gaming rig hidden away in a back room somewhere, with a small low-power Linux box (maybe even a Raspberry Pi?) connected up to a TV in the lounge - with the game streamed from one to the other. Latency shouldn't be an issue, since you're only going across your local LAN.
At least, that's how I understand it :) I guess we'll find out a bit more in the coming weeks....
ive heard the same and the complete opposit. Problem is nothing is certain, its all hype.
Quote from: kregoron;375864Guessing it will be a hardened linux distro they will be using, so there won't be free access to fiddle around with everything.
It is more than likley to be like that but after the way that Gabe has be raging on WIN 8 for being a closed OS would he really want to start looking at that kettle.
Quotethen your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network
I'd say that's fairly conclusive that it's going to be LAN streaming....
Quote from: Tutonic;375880I'd say that's fairly conclusive that it's going to be LAN streaming....
i didnt say that option wouldn't be there, tho im thinking with the new lending games to family members, you would have to install the game on the rig first, then stream it to you steam os box.
And if you already got a capable gaming rig, wouldn't most just not use that.. might just be me that can't get hype runs anymore.
and in theory, it would still require a certain bit of network capacity, and you would still experience a bit of delay when streaming over a network.
Quote from: Tutonic;375869I think you're missing the point.
If Valve have managed to convince some major studios to port their games to Linux, and sorted out the atrocious drivers which have always held Linux back, then long-term it could be a viable replacement for Windows on a gaming desktop.
There's more holding people back from Linux than just gaming. Want to video edit...pretty much out of luck (yet there are options, but they're hardly viable). Same with audio editing. I use a range of software that won't run on Linux or won't run well on Linux. If everything I use already works under Windows, what incentive do I have to switch? Games already work under Windows, I already have a copy of Windows, all my other software works.
Obviously people who have already got a Linux distro installed will love this idea...but that's 2.5% of gamers. Why downgrade my gaming PC when I can carry on using Windows? They've been going on about how bad Windows is, but if you look at the percentage of PC games that run on it...100%, it's going to be tough to beat. So I've already ruled it out on my gaming machine for the immediate future. What could encourage me to switch?
1) They could make exclusive Linux games. HL3 on SteamOS only. Personally, I'd just skip it. It's screwing over your customers exactly like EA did with Origin. That, if anything, would make me more stubborn in rejecting SteamOS.
2) They could sell dirt cheap linux boxes with tons of features to stream games to and make your TV a smart TV. I think this is the one that'll work best
3) They could add a load of features to Steam on the new OS so it's almost tempting to switch for those features. I'm not sure what they might add that they couldn't on Windows though. Dedicated hardware? Oculus Rift, Biometric sensors, motion tracking, voice activation etc. They can all be added to Windows games, so I'm not sure why this would be less annoying than option 1) for games...but if you can navigate the whole computer with gestures and voice, and it worked well, it would show that it's not just a gimmick. If the OS doesn't come with integration of new hardware into its core, I'll be very dubious of the point of making it in the first place.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/xi3-piston-steam-box-valve,24455.html
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/valve-steam-box-prototype-kepler,24555.html
T (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/valve-steam-box-prototype-kepler,24555.html)hats crazy...
Its just a PC with SteamOS preloaded -.-
Well, what did you expect?
The pricing will be very interesting.
Quote from: Tutonic;376504Well, what did you expect?
The pricing will be very interesting.
Me nothing, some people seemed to expect a low budget pc able to stream from the main rig, but this is just silly, i can't see how this would fit inside their 300$ envelope people were talking about.
Bump. Steam OS will be available for download tomorrow.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamuniverse#announcements/detail/1930088300965516570
Woohoo should be interesting
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